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The Clintons' War Against the Math

May 06, 2008 1:58 PM

First the Clinton campaign started trying to change the English language.

"Superdelegates" is a long established word in politics. "We need superdelegates to win the nomination, and the Democratic caucuses will not endorse unless we meet with them," said Dee Dee Myers, press secretary to then-Gov. Bill Clinton in 1992.

But then the Clinton campaign realized its candidate couldn't likely win the nomination without superdelegates voting en masse contrary to what a majority of the pledged delegates did.

So to fight the impression of a bunch of (mostly white) party insiders "thwarting" the will of the pledged delegates -- as the Obama campaign likes to cast it, though DNC rules allow super-Ds to vote however they want, for whatever reason they want -- the Clinton campaign replaced "superdelegates" in their lexicon with "automatic delegates." 

(How very Humpty-Dumpty. "'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'" )

Then the Clinton campaign went after history -- stating flatly that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, never supported NAFTA, for instance. Which may be what she felt in her heart, but as a member of the Clinton administration she spoke in favor of it publicly and privately, lobbying support for the trade plan.

So English, then History.

And now they're going after the math.

Since Clinton is unlikely to reach 2,025 delegates before Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois does, they simply have declared a new number as the target.

The DNC says the number is 2,025. But the Clinton campaign has decided that since in their view Michigan and Florida should count 100% -- despite the fact that according to the DNC, those states don't count right now -- the new number is actually 2,209.

Despite the fact that Clinton campaign chief Harold Ickes as a member of the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee voted to strip those two states of their delegates for violating DNC rules and holding their contests early…despite the fact that Clinton campaign chair Terry MacAuliffe made a similar threat to Michigan when he helmed the DNC in 1996 -- they have created an alternative universe where previous statements of principle, and rules don't matter.

Clinton started pushing that number today. 2,209. (Though her website says the number is actually 2,208.)

The DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet on May 31 to consider challenges to its decision to not recognize Michigan and Florida.

There will likely be something worked out. But to presume it will just be a 100% recognition of two states that broke the rules is a rather strong presumption. Informed Democrats speculate it could be something like 50% of the delegates counting. Either way, nothing has been worked out yet. 2,209 is not reality. 2,209 is based on conjecture.

So the Clintons are battling the math. (Not to mention her new battle with economists.)

English, then History then Math.

Science -- watch your back.

- jpt

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Ouch, my head hurts. Thanks for the great reportage. How do I, as a 51-year-old female citizen, let this "rules committee" know that if they overturn this to give it to Sen. Clinton, this is one lifelong Democrat that will actually vote for John McCain as a vehement protest? I began the campaign supporting Sen. Clinton. Her behind the scenes low-brow tactics, shepherded by Sid Blumenthal, led me to question that decision. Sen. Obama's positive campaign and refusal to get in the mud led me to change sides. I will not vote for Sen. Clinton no matter what given the decisions she has made in her campaign. If the Rules Committee hands her the nomination, I will indeed go one step further and vote Republican for the first time in my life. Might I suggest that anyone reading contact any super delegate that is reponsible to them for re-election. We all have members of Congress and Governors. Object strongly to rewriting the rules over and over until a set arises that queens Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Historybuff1 | May 7, 2008 7:28:01 PM

Around January, after Iowa, when people first really began considering Obama, both candidates had raised about the same amount of money (then around $100 million dollars each).

Today, Obama has excess tens of millions of dollars to spend as his campaign wishes, while the Clinton campaign is some $20 million in debt. ( 11.4m to herself and over 10m to her pollsters and contractors. )

I think, Hillary has another math problem here, too.

( Who do you want fixing our economy? )

Posted by: wolf | May 7, 2008 11:33:25 AM

I know this blog is about Hillary Clinton's magical math but for a second lets talk about her attacks on NAFTA. All the progressive candidates are attacking NAFTA and "Globalization." First, that is economic horse pucky, if it were not for world trade (as un-free and imbalanced as it in fact is) we would be in a depression and not teetering on recession. Second, too few Americans have ever had a passport --- let alone used it --- and they, in general, know so little about the world that they think that all of the other nations are waiting for America to vote on whether or not they can go into business. Also absurd. We are in a global economy folks. The way to thrive in it is to seek education; gain skills that are valuable and be aggressively competitive. The way to loose at it is to sit around and snivel about the world changing and the unproductive factories closing and to keep looking back to the good old days, which are gone forever and ain't coming back. That is not to say that more balanced "Fair" trade agreements can not be made, but even where possible they won't change things very much. We are in a global struggle for economic survival. The first thing that we must let go of is our sense of entitlement about what the world owes us... Th world is tired of First world whining and does not give a damn if their progress discomforts us. Get used to it. No politician can do very much to change that, other than to support life-long education and to inspire people to seek it. The 20th Century (the American Century) is over. We must prepare to work hard to take an honorable place among the nations of the world. We must also prepare to work very hard to repair the damage done by the arrogant, ignorant, inarticulate, incompetent imbecile who is our current president, he has sailed us onto the rocks... Nobody running for president is saying this. I understand. Too many people do not want to hear it and lack the experience of the world to know that much of what I just wrote is indisputably true, but whoever is elected in November, that is the world they will get to work with... Just one reporter's opinion...jt

Posted by: Joey Tranchina | May 7, 2008 4:49:01 AM

Dear "English Teacher" Thank you for standing up for the fact that words matter. as Amy Lowell wrote: “All books are either dreams or swords. You can cut or you can drug with words.” Racism cuts both ways... and as we have seen in this election cycle, one can get a great deal of milage out of racially charged charges with little or no substance. How could the issue of "Race" make the first page of the list of problems we are auditioning these candidates to address. Talk about re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Hey there out there in America land: Black, White, Brown or Gray, Don't you know that you have no civil liberties left? Any that you did not give away to fight the "Drug War," they have taken to fight the "war on terror." Have you noticed? At some point those little rights might matter to you, but then it will probably be too late. How about getting a passport and flying to France. Then you'd see your money is worth about half of what it was three years ago, in the real world outside suburbia.... Do you know that Americans pay more for bad health care than the Europeans do for world class health care? NUMBER ONE! We're NUMBER ONE! At what, besides debt and delusion? Now tell me that the big issue is that Senator Clinton is a woman and Senator Obama is Black... Right.


Posted by: Joey Tranchina | May 7, 2008 3:53:20 AM

Anybody got any jelly?

This broad is toast!

Posted by: jbate | May 6, 2008 10:16:47 PM


Hillary is the experienced liar in this race. She'll say anything!!

NO MATTER WHAT THE ISSUE IS -

SHE'LL TRY SPIN IT TO WIN IT!!!

FIGURES DON’T LIE BUT LIARS CAN FIGURE

ETHICS BE DAMNED.

Posted by: jbate | May 6, 2008 10:14:11 PM

"So to fight the impression of a bunch of (mostly white) party insiders "thwarting" the will of the pledged delegates..."

Admittedly, this is off the original topic, but I wonder what the race of the party insiders has to do with the issue. It seems that to introduce a (parenthetical) note about their race is to suggest that their race plays a significant factor in their actions. One wonders how readers would react should an author write of "violent crimes committed by (mostly black) residents of inner city Chicago." Working to erradicate racism is an admiral goal, but standards must be applied evenly.

Posted by: English Teacher | May 6, 2008 10:02:53 PM

For the Democrats and Independents:

It is okay to stand behind your candidate right now. However, when the time comes lets close ranks. The anti Obama and negative Hillary sentiment has got to stop.

For Republicans and Ultra Conservatives:

Don't try to dilute our message. It would be better to try to strengthen your party, then trying to ruin ours.

We need to stick together as Americans to fight against OPEC, Taliban, and other anti-American groups

Posted by: Honest Abe | May 6, 2008 8:33:54 PM

For the Democrats and Independents:

It is okay to stand behind your candidate right now. However, when the time comes lets close ranks. The anti Obama and negative Hillary sentiment has got to stop.

For Republicans and Ultra Conservatives:

Don't try to dilute our message. It would be better to try to strengthen your party, then trying to ruin ours.

We need to stick together as Americans to fight against OPEC, Taliban, and other anti-American groups

Posted by: Honest Ab | May 6, 2008 8:33:46 PM

The problem with the campaign Hillary has run is that it has divided the Democratic party. If he wins, he cannot count on the people that voted for her to vote for him. If she wins, she will not get the people who voted for him to vote for her.

And the Republicans love it. They get to watch the "inevitable" Democratic win in 2008 turn into a fiasco. Well I hope it was worth it.

Posted by: Vik | May 6, 2008 8:14:55 PM

HRC was a republican in college! What does that say?

Posted by: greg | May 6, 2008 7:22:15 PM

Bill Clinton certainly didn't mind that 90% of the blacks voted for himin the 1992 & 1996 elections. Without the black vote, Clinton would have never been President

Posted by: Don Hannaford | May 6, 2008 6:09:37 PM

Ever notice how Obama supporters who attack Clinton typically refer to something she's actually done or been involved in at some point, but Clinton supporters who attack Obama accuse him of everything from being a Taliban secret agent in disguise to the figurehead of a Stalinist resurgence?

I'm gonna give real Clinton supporters the benefit of the doubt and presume these conspiracy theorists aren't really Democrats, but Republicans trying to impact our nomination. Only a Republican can come up with such ugly lies to scare people into supporting their efforts.

A chip right of the W block...

Posted by: fontapa | May 6, 2008 4:57:32 PM

The percentage of black people that stand behind black leaders (approx 90%) is overwhelmingly greater than that of any other group- women,Jewish people, to name two. This says a whole lot of things.

Posted by: caucie | May 6, 2008 4:47:31 PM

dl - Well I will tell you that this female lifelong democrat will either vote McCaine or not vote if Obama is the nominee. Take that to the bank.

I flat out do not trust Barack Obama to run a cubscout meeting let alone to be POTUS. Either one of the other candidates has more expirence in their little toe than Obama has.

I'll tell you another thing. Obama is making more enemies than he is making friends. I was offended by his "rural America" remarks and I live in a city. I won't even bring up his family and reverend.

Posted by: catherine d | May 6, 2008 4:11:27 PM

David H. I wonder why Terry McAuliffe didn't think that 4 years ago...about the same state... or Ickes...or Gov rendell who was in charge of the most recent committee to figure out the process of delegate counting.

Hypocrites and lackies.

Posted by: dl | May 6, 2008 4:04:57 PM

Most people are bad at math, so the DNC has to make the nomination process simple. One number people can understand is the popular vote. If Hillary wins the popular vote she should win the nomnination, period. Hillary's supporters will not be satisfied if Hillary wins the popular vote but loses the nomination because of the meshuge rules created by the DNC.

And, if you think that we will not count the popular vote in Florida and Michigan you are meshuge! Tossing Florida and Michigan under the bus is the brainchild of Howard Dean and his gang at the DNC -- people who have no clue about winning a presidential election. The voters in Florida and Michigan don't care about DNC rules. They do care about counting their votes.

Has the DNC learned nothing from losing to the Republicans? If people vote for you, you count the vote, period! Who cares what stupid rules were broken. If you want people to vote for you, you better count their votes!

Posted by: David H | May 6, 2008 3:54:25 PM

Clinton's only goal is moving up and winning by all means. So naturally she wants to change the numbers. She is as much concerned about the welfare of blue collar workers as CEOs from Halliburton or former ENRON are concerened about the welfare of their employees.

Posted by: Jayclue | May 6, 2008 3:47:39 PM

NAFTA is Clinton's baby, no matter how much she denies it. They have large amount of stock in WALMART and are gaining from the bypassing of import tax on Chinese products. How much overseas oil stocks do they hold?? I never had sex with that women! Did he mean Hillary??

Posted by: 1SG Allen, RET | May 6, 2008 3:47:06 PM

I have a new number for Hillary. 2016.

Posted by: Progressive Democrat | May 6, 2008 3:42:21 PM

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