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Why have all of my comments been removed. They were reasonable, well written, contained references, and without profanity.

I am a Florida resident who did not vote because I follow the news and knew it wasn't going to count. I am an independent who would have had to re-register, which I was planning to do in order to vote for Obama.

People like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz are disingenuous when they claim that on the one hand, Florida voters couldn't be expected to know about the disqualification, yet on the other hand, they knew plenty about Obama in January to make it a fair election despite no campaigning.

Kate, you still haven't answered my question:

How is it that President Bush lied about Saddam Hussein having WMDs? You have admitted that Saddam Hussein had WMDs. But then you sighted a briefing that George Tenent gave that said there were no WMDs as your proof that President Bush lied.

Actually it wasn't until AFTER we went into Iraq that we proved that Saddam Hussein no longer had WMDs. That was all the UN Security Council had demanded since 1991 -- one of the several conditions for the 1991 Gulf War cease fire to which Saddam Hussein agreed, but never complied. Had we not invaded Iraq, Saddam Hussein would still be in power; his neighbors would still think he had WMDs; he would still be raking in billions of dollars through the oil-for-food fiasco; hundreds of thousands of Iraqis would have been tortured, raped and killed; and many more Palestinian families would have received up to $25,000 as a reward for a member of their family killing innocent Israelis in suicide bombings.

James Danley

History we gave Iraq the knollage and components for the wmds then he used them on Iran and the kurds we then sent in the CIA and CDC folk to study the effectivness of the WMDS it all publicly available information. gave Iraq information and Intel on how to beat Iran in there war.. At the same time we gave Iran weapons and Intel on Iraq "Iran contra"

We then told Sadam he could invade Saudi Arabia when he did we put together the Coalition for the first golf war. Saudi Arabia was then idebted to us for there rescue and sold us cheap oil. We sold them arms.

After Iraqs defeat we then orginised weapon inspection to find the equipment and remaining WMDs we sold him. We then kept the no fly zone to keep him in check. We let him sell oil below market value under the oil for food program.
Then we Sadam decided to cut deals with non US and UK nations under the oil for food program mostly through france and germany and china. We could stand the so we went in search of wmds again.. We then went to war out side the un with and invaded the country so all the oil was ours. We didnt want to share how dear all these other countries profit of our deception and effort.

Now we are bogged down in a war paid for by the American people to insure US and UK oil companies have control of that oil.

3.3trillion could have invented an new form of fuel.

But oil comapnies dont profit from that!

Kate. You obviously didn't understand my post. Obama did not win any major swing states and did not win the popular vote just like fellow Democrat McGovern in 1972. Republican Nixon won 49 states in the G/E 520 electoral votes McGovern won 1 state 17 elctoral votes. If Obama is the nominee the same embarrassing loss will happen again. McCain will win by similar numbers.

James Danlely

Come on now there all facts of history.. We had people inside every level of the Iraqi government... We really new everything he was up to.

Remember Iraqi Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf he was working for MI6 (UK version of CIA).

Every wonder why some folks had to be killed yet other higher ups got big pay checks and to leave Iraq and live in Paris, London and United States ?

Do you read alot Danlely ?

Bob4USA,

History will only repeat itself if Hillary Clinton keeps tearing Obama done if she keep up with this there will be no where else to cast the blame..

Its time to move forward with Obama and Unite behind him as you said it will be the poor and middle class that will suffer if we dont !

obama 08 12

Kate, please enlighten me as to how you expect us to believe that on the one hand Donald Rumsfeld gave Iraq WMDs. Then on the other hand, when George Tenet briefs President Bush on the intelligence from an Iraqi foreign minister that Iraq does not have WMDs, President Bush is supposed to believe the latter when he apparently knows "for a fact" that we and the UK gave Iraq WMDs? And when President Bush "dismissed" the latter for what he "knows for a fact," all of a sudden he is lying? It sounds like you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

I am extremely disappointed with Mr. Obama. I wanted to like him, but even more important, at this point I don't trust him. I believe he is what was once described as a "social climber" whose raw ambition causes him to talk down to Americans with his flowery speech, and who has a track record of being more interested in identifying with the "in crowd" (Exelon, oil companies, watered down legislation for cronies, unethical campaign practices in 1996, using lobbyists until a month ago while pretending not to, etc., than he is with improving the safety and quality of life for ALL Americans. I am truly afraid for the country because I believe he is insincere and extremely self centered. I do not identify him with FDR or JFK who both went out on big limbs to care for their country. I am so disappointed.

Now we are stuck with a clever politician who has a track record of deviousness and deceit and whose ego knows no boundaries. The truth is, I don't want to vote at all at this point, and that is the saddest place to be in that I can think of. I wonder how many others feel this way. There is no good candidate running for office.

Florida voted. Almost 2M Democrats showed up to vote. Historic turnout. Obama ran hundreds of political ads in the week of the election. Hundreds! Intent is he was running in the Florida primary.

Stop the whining. Obama lost. H. will. never. win. Florida. I suggest you OBs move on.

By the way, best election ever. No paper filling up the mail box. No continuous ads except Obamas. No people with signs at the polls and getting in the way.
Most pleasant election I ever voted in.

I'm a Floridian and that study is a joke. They complicate the issue by comparing Dem and Repub turnout (do they adjust after each candidate drops). And they include states with differing primary systems. And they add to the mix the 2004 results.

I posted a diary on this at MyDD with the math showing that it doesn't make sense.

From that diary (this is closed primary states):

Average Dem Turnout 40.74%
Median Dem Turnout 41.75%
Florida Dem Turnout 42.30%

Average Repub Turnout 34.84%
Median Repub Turnout 36.08%
Florida Repub Turnout 50.96%

So while the Florida Dem turnout was slightly better than average, the Florida Repub turnout was much better than average. In fact, the only state that had a higher Repub turnout was Arizona, McCain's state.

...

They believe 2.85 million Florida Democratic voters should have turned out to vote. That's a lot of voters. In fact that is a 68.89% voter turnout.

Let's look at that with the other closed primary states.
Average Dem Turnout 40.74%
Median Dem Turnout 41.75%
Actual Florida Dem Turnout 42.30%
Projected Florida Dem Turnout based on Repub Turnout 68.89%

That would put Florida way ahead of every other closed primary state. The next closest would be Connecticut with 51.09%. Does this seem reasonable? For a primary?

I once liked and respected Hilary Clinton, but no more. She has shown that she is willing to cheat and be completely unfair in order to try to win. To say that Obama should not receive any delegates from Michigan but that she should receive all of hers is just ridiculous. The votes weren't even supposed to count!!! Which by the way, she agreed to with no problem when she thought she had the nomination in hand. Now she is willing to say and do anything to try to win. I just can't respect anyone that will try to manipulate and scheme their way into winning.

James Danley

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/06/3646/

Dems are disappointing me as a dem. No wonder repubs win more. They stick together even if they hate McCain. We on the other hand like to divide ourselves into parts. Those parts are black, white, hispanic, gay, middle class or lower class and we lose everytime. Seperate and lose exerytime. It's bigger any one person. This is about the damn country you claim to love. We can barely afford gas, food and various other things we'll need to survive. All of these HRC people are crying about how she lost. She lost by thinking it was all hers to begin with. Those were her own words. Delegates will show why and yet You all are here talking of voting for McCain. LMAO, because you'll get what you deserve. No retirement to make it on, $7 a gal gas and a draft for your sons to go to bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran. Thanks and the republicans thank you too.

Think of more than yourselves for once. I know I will vote a dem no matter who it is because for every time a bill came thru the house republicans followed suit and helped bush. Dems are always seperated. Don't be fooled with your heart, think with your head. I can'y stand another war or the 9 trill debt we're facing. McCain admits he dont doesnt know economics and my wallet can't chance that.

Peace

As a floridian that DID vote, I think the votes should not have been counted based on the fact that the DNC said it wouldn't seat the delegates. It is not right to change the rules at the end of the game. Both candidates agreed to not seat those two states delegates because they broke the rules. It is really as simple as that. They were told their delegates would not be seated if they moved up their primary, they chose to do it anyway. Therefore, they should have suffered the penalty. I knew when I went to the polls that my vote wouldn't count, I only went to show my daughter the voting process and explain it to her. I was already aware that our votes wouldn't count and I was okay with that because everything has rules and life has consequences for breaking them. So for the record, this floridian voter did not feel disenfranchised and not having the votes counted would not have swayed me from voting in November.

Kate, even if what you say is true...then explain to me how it is that Bush lied? Finally, if we went into Iraq for all of its oil, explain how it is that we still don't have ANY of Iraq's oil?

The primaries are over. A loss is a loss and Hillary has lost.

Rules are rules. Let's move on.

Obama '08.

James Danley,

Are you for real ? We gave him he WMDS We America and the UK gave them to him look it up we played Iraq against Iran until this dumb twit Bush decided we would take Iraq and all it oil...

Donald rumsfeild gave Iraq wmds.

Paul, you wrote: "You can say Bush lied. But both Dem and Rep were lied to by Bush."

Actually it was Saddam Hussein who lied. Saddam wanted his neighbors to continue to believe that he had WMDs. I would very much like to know how it was Bush's lie that caused Congress to authorize regime change in Iraq back in 1998? While debating that resolution, many Democrats stood on the floor of the House and Senate and warned of the threat (and in some cases "imminent threat") that Saddam Hussein posed with his WMDs.

glenn mcgahee

"If we're gonna take into account voters who didn't bother to vote, lets also take into account caucus goers who would have attended state Caucus' but had to work, couldn't get a sitter, had no transportation, were bullied out of the caucus halls, couldn't understand the rules, couldn't be there on time, etc."

There is a masive difference the people in Fl and Michigan where told the election didnt count... It wasnt that the had other things to do it was the election didnt matter and then suddenly it did because Hillary said so...

The rules where it didnt count and thats how it should have stayed..

In the end it means nothing it doesnt change the out come of the election!

Anon, you wrote: "Barack Obama is more all-American than George Washington who was British."

But without George Washington, Barack Obama (and the rest of us) would be British!

Kate, you wrote: "Bush stole the election and its been the biggest mistake in Americas history."

You can say that as often as you want...but it doesn't make it true. Actually it as VP Al Gore and the Democratic controlled Florida State Supreme Court who attempted to steal the election by cherry picking a handful of counties with large Democratic majorities to have recounted. The Florida State Supreme Court changed the rules in the middle of the election; AND they allowed the different counties to count the votes differently. It was on this latter point in which the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the Florida State Supreme Court had violated the U. S. Constitution. Furthermore, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the Florida State Supreme Court could not change Florida state law as to the dates set forth for certifying the election. VP Al Gore should have called for a statewide recount from the very beginning. Now then, several newspapers sent teams down to Florida and they unofficially recounted the votes and concluded that George W. Bush did, in fact, end up with more votes -- and according to all the rules at the time -- the one with the most votes WON.

If we're gonna take into account voters who didn't bother to vote, lets also take into account caucus goers who would have attended state Caucus' but had to work, couldn't get a sitter, had no transportation, were bullied out of the caucus halls, couldn't understand the rules, couldn't be there on time, etc. The DNC gave Obama delegates based on "exit polls" (delegates he didn't earn from voters), so lets guess about the participants at the Caucus' in states that can't even give us a number of attendees. Lets just guess at those. The DNC is really messed up. This all was gamed well before the nomination process began. Again, the rules said that a candidate that campaigns, get zero delegates. The Obama camp ran ads in Florida up to the day before our primary. In Michigan, there were flyers distributed by Obama, Richardson, Edwards to get people to vote "uncommitted". Those rules were ignored.

RT

Yes at this point I can say ...I finally hate Hillary Clinton...a year ago I was campaigning for her in NH.

but it is not about the individual ...it is about the country.

Yes if Hillary Clinton says she cares about the soldiers, healthcare, the poor, the environment, multicultures, women's rights...

she will camapign vigoruosly for the candidate that holds those things in high regard and who has promised to fight for them.

This is not about HILLARY as much as you all like to think it is.

It is about the country but Hillary, your candidate has lead you all down a path to forget that.

There were as many voters that would have been disenfranchised by the Clinton plan...as Obama's...the committee found away around that.

and did you all know that Obama had the votes for the 50/50 split...but they did not do that out of respect for Hillary's supporters.

You all have been blinded by a woman I now...have come to hate.

rt,

I was supported Hillary and now am supporting Barack Obama he won fair and square. We all must unite to make sure McSame dos not see the seat of power.

There is to much at stake to play games this time!

The democrats are going to win in 08

Posted by: rt | Jun 1, 2008 7:54:19 AM

I do not think in my letter I had anything negative to say about Hillary supporters.

and to be honest with you it would be okay with me if Team Clinton took the rest of the political season off.

Her campaign has operated in such a fashion that gives us all a first hand view of all that is wrong with politics. I have had numerous Hillary supporters say to me..."That is Just Politics"....the only way we can move past our government acting in abhorant way and out of self interest or corporate interest - is to STOP letting people get away with using such excuses for disgraceful and shameful behavior.

We the people need to stop allowing politicians to make a mockery out of our government and democracy.

Kathy you need to stop watching fox and join the real world there is no left and right when your talking about people... We are one people we are one nation! Stop being devided by BS.. Bush stole the election and its been the biggest mistake in Americas history.. Bush will always been known as our worst President and your grandchildren will be paying for this war long after we are gone!

Posted by: HeatherinVT | Jun 1, 2008 7:45:30 AM

so after your tirade dissing hillary, ickes,and her supporters do you want her to campaign for bho, and her supporters to vote for him?

Bush won the electorals and in a study done by the accounting firm of BDO Seidman in 2001, Bush would have widened his 537 vote victory to a 1,665 margin if the Supreme court had been allowed to continue Bush won Florida-period. And yes, I watched "Recount" and found it to be much slanted to the left. Now it's time for the Dems to resort to name calling, don't you always?

Republicans stole that election... Did you not see Recount ?

The FL an Michigan's votes had/has no effect on the out come so you comparison is not appropriate.. In fact its as stupid as you TV station and your political party.

Republicans have put up with slanted biased media for years.
we have Fox and talk radio while Democrats pretty have the major networks, newspapers, magazines etc. "Count all the votes" has a familiar ring to it no"? By the way, allthe Bush/Gore votes were counted a couple of times and Bush did win. But Republicans have had to sit and listen to Bush stole the election" for years. Perhaps this Democrat hoopla will make Democrats sit back, take a good hard look and finally see what's been heaped on republicans. But I won't hold my breath for that.

hey einstein,
last i checked, bill clinton wasn't running for office.

jpt have you seen this ?

Amy,

Go Amy Go Amy...

I love it

Democrats 08

Thanks for informing as Ablanche '08 but no need to -

we know you really are Republican anyway but was too ashamed to admit it in light of Bush's high negativity ratings.

This Democrat will vote McCain if Hillary is not nominated. Like it or not, it's my right. So, get used to it.

Anon, Americans who can't make peace with Obama's mixed heritage are the most closeted you have ever met.

They are the type missing out on the New America...have hardly socialised beyond their kitchen gardens.

Barack Obama is more all-American
than George Washington who was
British.

Obama's campaign will be studied for a long time by both friends and foes.

It was a classic David v. Goliath and boy didn't he bring down the "inevitable."

Instead of ranting and raving, Clinton should HUMBLE HERSELF AND TAKE NOTES.

Kelly,

Im sorry for your dad and you speak the truth!

Dems unite!

Mary,

Read what they Australia person wrote make alot of sense:

"They shouldnt have seated the delegates at all... The elections were not true or fair elections.

You can not tell people it doesnt matter and then later change the rules and say it counts the rules where the election doesnt mater so they do not show a true example of the will of the people.

That would never happen here the rules said the election dont count.. So they should not count.

Are you living in America or Russia ?

The Only way the party should have been seated is if they where split 50/50 so in reality then the election had didnt count with regards to giving anyone any benifit.

Just my two cents."

&

"You voted in an election that Hillary Clinton said herself wouldnt count right ?

You wanted to be heard and you where around the world.. I heard he in Australia the Million of people in FL voted in an election, that was a beauty contest again Clinton used those words herself.

We over here had great respect for everyone in FL for taking part in an election that didnt count.

That now has been soured the DNC should only have split the election 50/50 so it gave no one any benifit.

Now those extra delegates gave to Hillary Clinton make what was a truely honourable protest of the people of FL a masive joke.

I liked Hillary Clinton I think your media has been mean to her. I dont think Barack has done anything wrong to her and do find it upseting that people blame him for what the media or some preist says even though Clinton was my choice.

I do as an Allied nation hope the democratic party does unite behind whoever wins the nomination as the world cant afford another republican government!"

Dont you think ?

My father is ill and we can barely afford his treatment costs.

For me throwing tantrums over Clinton and risking a McCain White house is out of the question.

The only more corrupt politicians than Senator Barack Obama are in jail.
AMERICA IS IN TROUBLE. Giving him delegates in Michigan is his new version of politics. His name was not on the ballot and he deserved no delegates. He violated the rules in Florida and Michigan. CORRUPT ELECTION. I and my family and friends will be voting for Senator McCain, a real American.

To all those women who somehow feel that they are not treated equally like men,

You are full of BS. If you have that type of psycho feeling take it out with your man at home, beat him up and thrash him, do whatever you can at home.

Dont show up on the street or in front of conventions to take out on ordinary fair minded citizens, who refuse to be manipulated by a liar like Bosnian Hilary. Solve your problems at home, whining kids!

Posted by: Madge | Jun 1, 2008 12:34:48 AM

sorry, dem of 36 years, never voted rep...check dnc records.
will not vote for racist, un-american, uninformed candidate in bho

Dems who will vote McCain were never really Dems to begin with.

Any HRC supporters to answer those questions??? *eyes blinking*

i LIKE MR USA

I LIKE MR USA !

I guess rules don't count when your an ex-President's wife.

The nerve of some of you. I can't believe that you people actually think everything should count and Obama shouldn't get ANY votes or delegates in Mi right?? Can someone PLEASE TELL ME WHY WE HAVE RULES??

OPxyCon: Now thats rich. So it doesn't bother you in the least that Clinton doesn't care?? Really?? You can't see that shes doing this cuz she needs the votes?? So let me get this straight, the ONE person that followed the rules should be punished?? Because thats what you're saying. Please answer....

That's really rich. The Obama loving DNC voted to disfranchise Florida's voters, but now that counting the actual election would benefit Hillary Clinton and hurt Saint Obama, the DNC suddenly cares about the voters they disenfranchised.
What makes it even more rich is the fact that Hillary's campaign went out of their way to enfranchise these same voters by having another vote, but the DNC voted to keep the voters disenfranchised. But now they care about them because the Obama campaign came up with some kind of BS excuse to game the elections and steal votes that he never earned.

MIguy, its not that. They're just masking their hopes for a Clinton Presidency behind counting votes. If they REALLY cared about ya'll, they'd have been doing all this BEFORE Clinton was losing. And you notice how none of them seem to care about the disinfranchised who DIDN'T vote.

justsaying, actually I have heard people say that. There was a fool on here that just posted that nonsense a few threads ago. I just hope evrybody comes to their senses and stops the unabashed hating. There has to be winners and losers. I just hope some people will stop trying to coddle HRC. She lost. If Obama lost I'd be voting for her. But I can't be mad, just like kids take on traits from their parents. I guess voters take on the attitudes of their candidates. *Shrugs*

I'm so grateful to cgeast and others on here for being so much more knowledgable about what is going on in my state than I am. It is truly wondrous to have these geniuses around to talk down to the people whose votes they wanted to count.

I really am starting to believe that many of the so-called HRC supporters here are Republicans posing as supporters. The only thing gained by her continued fight is the end of her political career - seems to me that's what the Republicans want.

Order:

Please note that not all feminists are Clinton "cult members."

Yes, it would be nice if she won but she has not.

That does not mean the CAUSES of the Dem. Party die with her campaign.

DEMS ALL THE WAY.

they are really after hillary' supporters because they know the dnc, msm- did hillary and her supporters wrong.
and you know what,
they have us.
now if you want to blame someone
blame that YEEHI-ing Howard Dean
and that grinning nancy pelosi

Liz

Thank you : )

I caucaused for Clinton in Iowa. It was a cold winter night and I still went out despite my having a flu.

By the time Clinton got to W. Virgina, she was a beer guzzling, gun totting Republican Annie Oakley.

SO DON'T WORRY KATE. DEMS WILL UNITE - SOME OF US ARE AGHAST AT HILLARY'S RADICAL METARMORPHOSIS.

Paul, if your post was more concise I'd probably read it.

For now, before I end my day all I can do is dash in and out of Political Punch to say OBAMA '08.

MrUSA,
Go ahead and vote for your Obama hero...just as Germany during struggling times and a bad economy voted for their leader over 65 years ago. A man who promised change..A man who gave them hope. A man who almost distroyed a race. A man who put the world at war. Dont talk about Rep. starting a war as if the Dem didnt agree with it. You can say Bush didnt tell them everything. YOu can say Bush lied. But both Dem and Rep were lied to by Bush. So chill on blaming the Rep. I am neither Rep. or Dem. I am for the one I believe will be best for this country..McCain was not my first choice but Obama was never a choice. Hillary never impressed me either. Yet Im not blinded with bitterness of how this country is now. Logic states simple. One does not belong to a organization for 20 years and not believe in what is being said or done. One does not contribute money to a cause they do not believe in. You state Obama has 11 years of service against Hillary's 6. Look at how is first got in to office. Obama is not this great savor to this country. He is not this great hope for this promis of change. Red Flags fly above Obama and saidly he plays on people like you who are bitter, and who are blind and are mesmerized to his speaches like so many did so long ago.
Wake up. Get educated to his church and what they have tought over the years...then tell me that Obama is this great man you make him out to be. YOu think Bush is bad..wait and see the changes Obama will bring if elected to office.
We soldiers might not always agree with decision that our Chief makes. However, we do our duty. We support and do our jobs. Mr. USA were you ever in the armed forces? Unless you have, please dont make this war to be about lies. We fight for freedom of those who are appressed...we fight for those who have attact us. We fight to protect our nation against freedom fighters with there high and mighty hate for this country. I have been shot at...I have been distrught as I have seen my fellow soldier get blown to little pieces. I hate to think Obama would pull out our troops, just to figure out that it was not time and our soldiers get sent back to redo what was started.
I know how we got into this war...but I also know it is not over oil and not for a wasted cause. My father faught in WWII to save us from a man full of promises who killed millions. I faught for our country to help save another country from a dictator. My son fights now for us to protect us from another 9/11. Lets face it we all wanted to destroy the nation who attact us then...We wanted our revenge..Well we are getting it. With war comes sarafice and yes death of soldiers. Don't shame them with words of a war of lies..or war made from deceit.

United we stand devided we and our chilren will fall.

Thank you for your past work Jessica.

DEMS UNITE

but obama, obama
no he wont

Thanks Kate and Flo.

I knocked on doors for Al Gore and I knocked on doors for Clinton in Texas.

I am a staunch Dem. P. member and I believe the party is bigger than my candidate.

So yes, NO TO MCCAIN.

Obama, obama, obama. YES WE CAN

Kate, I'm supporting whoever gets the nomination.

justsaying roxanne who are you guys suporting I cant tell anymore ?

I Wish to second the words of Flo:

"I am a woman and I WILL NOT PROTEST AT DENVER.

Clinton lost fair and square AND THOUGH I SUPPORTED HER, I AM NOT A CLINTON CULT MEMBER AND...

I WILL NOT COMMIT DEM. PARTY MASS SUICIDE WITH CLINTON.

NO TO MCCAIN."

I am a woman and I WILL NOT PROTEST AT DENVER.

Clinton lost fair and square AND THOUGH I SUPPORTED HER, I AM NOT A CLINTON CULT MEMBER AND...

I WILL NOT COMMIT DEM. PARTY MASS SUICIDE WITH CLINTON.

NO TO MCCAIN.

J,

Back up your claim that Obama himself has been sexist to Hillary Clinton ?

Give some examples of what he himself said about or to her that are or where sexist ?

Kate

But Obama is a real loser.

Obama's speech tonight looked like an 8th grader making his first debate appearance. New direction? I don't think so!

I think half you people could care less about either Hillary or Barack and are only here to cause further tensions in the Democratic Party which ever side you on Hillary or Obama will be much better presidents than John McSame.

Prochoice =Hillary and Barack

NoChoice= John McSame

the next president will get to appoint to judges to the beanch.. It only takes one more vote to overturn Roe V Wade...

Something McCain has promised to do.

Time to let the next three states to vote and then unite behind the winner!

Democrats 08

Aussie_watcher

Thank you for you input I think what you wrote is true the DNC should have just spilt them 50/50 so no one benifited from what was an election that wouldnt count. I have to say the reason they gave Clinton extra votes in FL was to try and take into account the fact that people did vote for Clinton there even though I am a Barack Obama supporter I feel they tried to make everyone happy and in the end made no one happy.

Just a point to the people saying that Barack Obama doesnt have the experince to lead:

Barack Obama has held public office for 11.6 years

Hillary Clinton has held public office for 6 years.

So in making that argument you are really dissing Hillary not Barack.

Being married to a president does not make you qualified to be one.

Obama 08 12

I don't want is Obama as much as you don't want Clinton.

I think Derek and Roxanne have a right to say what they want, alot of us are tired of the crying, pandering, accusing, and rules changing that Clinton has employed.

Roxanne,

You mean like Michelle Obama??

If its so simple Johnson, why did she lose the pop vote, the pledged delegates, and SuperD's and she had the name brand recognition?? Reminds me of this past superbowl personally.

Dems loose with Obama.
Dems wins with Clinton.
It's that simple.

Lol. Well said Derek. And Tina, even though thats not true I'll indulge you. So you would go further to denigrate the cause because YOU didn't get what you wanted?? Like I said, selfish....

MSM has already set women's rights back. I like to call MSNBC the caveman network.

Tina, I can respect that. It's just hilarious that in your quest to get a woman President, you will set womens rights back 50 yrs. Just a fact. But oh so Ironic, and kind of selfish.