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The "Disenfranchised" Who Didn't Vote at All

May 31, 2008 5:41 PM

One talking point we're hearing a bit more about today has to do with the Democrats in Florida and Michigan who didn't bother voting in their state primaries because the DNC had told them their votes wouldn't count.

Would counting the two states' primaries not affirmatively disenfranchise these voters as surely as not counting the contests would disenfranchise those who did go to the polls?

Gregory P. Nini and Glenn Hurowitz make "a statistical comparison with turnout in other states’ primaries" and conclude that "roughly two million more people would have voted in Florida and Michigan had they expected their delegates to be seated."

Eric Kleefeld of the liberal muckraking site Talking Points Memo takes a look at these numbers and concludes that "while the Florida primary turnout was high relative to past primaries within the state, the relative Democratic turnout vs. the Republican primary lagged way behind relative party turnout in other primaries and caucuses across the country, where the voting counted from the start. And in Michigan in particular, the voting level there was simply abysmal. This suggests the possibility that far more Democratic voters would have come out in both states if they'd expected the contests to count, meaning that it's hard to argue that the primaries that actually took place really reflected the will of the people."

Any Floridians and Michiganers out there with thoughts on the matter?

-jpt

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Anon, you wrote: "Barack Obama is more all-American than George Washington who was British."

But without George Washington, Barack Obama (and the rest of us) would be British!

Posted by: James Danley | Jun 1, 2008 9:08:24 AM

Kate, you wrote: "Bush stole the election and its been the biggest mistake in Americas history."

You can say that as often as you want...but it doesn't make it true. Actually it as VP Al Gore and the Democratic controlled Florida State Supreme Court who attempted to steal the election by cherry picking a handful of counties with large Democratic majorities to have recounted. The Florida State Supreme Court changed the rules in the middle of the election; AND they allowed the different counties to count the votes differently. It was on this latter point in which the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the Florida State Supreme Court had violated the U. S. Constitution. Furthermore, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the Florida State Supreme Court could not change Florida state law as to the dates set forth for certifying the election. VP Al Gore should have called for a statewide recount from the very beginning. Now then, several newspapers sent teams down to Florida and they unofficially recounted the votes and concluded that George W. Bush did, in fact, end up with more votes -- and according to all the rules at the time -- the one with the most votes WON.

Posted by: James Danley | Jun 1, 2008 8:57:04 AM

If we're gonna take into account voters who didn't bother to vote, lets also take into account caucus goers who would have attended state Caucus' but had to work, couldn't get a sitter, had no transportation, were bullied out of the caucus halls, couldn't understand the rules, couldn't be there on time, etc. The DNC gave Obama delegates based on "exit polls" (delegates he didn't earn from voters), so lets guess about the participants at the Caucus' in states that can't even give us a number of attendees. Lets just guess at those. The DNC is really messed up. This all was gamed well before the nomination process began. Again, the rules said that a candidate that campaigns, get zero delegates. The Obama camp ran ads in Florida up to the day before our primary. In Michigan, there were flyers distributed by Obama, Richardson, Edwards to get people to vote "uncommitted". Those rules were ignored.

Posted by: glenn mcgahee | Jun 1, 2008 8:46:06 AM

RT

Yes at this point I can say ...I finally hate Hillary Clinton...a year ago I was campaigning for her in NH.

but it is not about the individual ...it is about the country.

Yes if Hillary Clinton says she cares about the soldiers, healthcare, the poor, the environment, multicultures, women's rights...

she will camapign vigoruosly for the candidate that holds those things in high regard and who has promised to fight for them.

This is not about HILLARY as much as you all like to think it is.

It is about the country but Hillary, your candidate has lead you all down a path to forget that.

There were as many voters that would have been disenfranchised by the Clinton plan...as Obama's...the committee found away around that.

and did you all know that Obama had the votes for the 50/50 split...but they did not do that out of respect for Hillary's supporters.

You all have been blinded by a woman I now...have come to hate.

Posted by: dl | Jun 1, 2008 8:19:43 AM

rt,

I was supported Hillary and now am supporting Barack Obama he won fair and square. We all must unite to make sure McSame dos not see the seat of power.

There is to much at stake to play games this time!

The democrats are going to win in 08

Posted by: Kate | Jun 1, 2008 8:11:08 AM

Posted by: rt | Jun 1, 2008 7:54:19 AM

I do not think in my letter I had anything negative to say about Hillary supporters.

and to be honest with you it would be okay with me if Team Clinton took the rest of the political season off.

Her campaign has operated in such a fashion that gives us all a first hand view of all that is wrong with politics. I have had numerous Hillary supporters say to me..."That is Just Politics"....the only way we can move past our government acting in abhorant way and out of self interest or corporate interest - is to STOP letting people get away with using such excuses for disgraceful and shameful behavior.

We the people need to stop allowing politicians to make a mockery out of our government and democracy.

Posted by: HeatherinVT | Jun 1, 2008 8:08:53 AM

Kathy you need to stop watching fox and join the real world there is no left and right when your talking about people... We are one people we are one nation! Stop being devided by BS.. Bush stole the election and its been the biggest mistake in Americas history.. Bush will always been known as our worst President and your grandchildren will be paying for this war long after we are gone!

Posted by: Kate | Jun 1, 2008 7:58:05 AM

Posted by: HeatherinVT | Jun 1, 2008 7:45:30 AM

so after your tirade dissing hillary, ickes,and her supporters do you want her to campaign for bho, and her supporters to vote for him?

Posted by: rt | Jun 1, 2008 7:54:19 AM

Bush won the electorals and in a study done by the accounting firm of BDO Seidman in 2001, Bush would have widened his 537 vote victory to a 1,665 margin if the Supreme court had been allowed to continue Bush won Florida-period. And yes, I watched "Recount" and found it to be much slanted to the left. Now it's time for the Dems to resort to name calling, don't you always?

Posted by: Kathy | Jun 1, 2008 7:32:11 AM

Republicans stole that election... Did you not see Recount ?

The FL an Michigan's votes had/has no effect on the out come so you comparison is not appropriate.. In fact its as stupid as you TV station and your political party.

Posted by: Kate | Jun 1, 2008 7:08:02 AM

Republicans have put up with slanted biased media for years.
we have Fox and talk radio while Democrats pretty have the major networks, newspapers, magazines etc. "Count all the votes" has a familiar ring to it no"? By the way, allthe Bush/Gore votes were counted a couple of times and Bush did win. But Republicans have had to sit and listen to Bush stole the election" for years. Perhaps this Democrat hoopla will make Democrats sit back, take a good hard look and finally see what's been heaped on republicans. But I won't hold my breath for that.

Posted by: Kathy | Jun 1, 2008 6:58:13 AM

hey einstein,
last i checked, bill clinton wasn't running for office.

Posted by: trustthesky | Jun 1, 2008 5:27:10 AM

jpt have you seen this ?

Posted by: Kate | Jun 1, 2008 4:41:01 AM

Amy,

Go Amy Go Amy...

I love it

Democrats 08

Posted by: Kate | Jun 1, 2008 3:35:51 AM

Thanks for informing as Ablanche '08 but no need to -

we know you really are Republican anyway but was too ashamed to admit it in light of Bush's high negativity ratings.

Posted by: Amy | Jun 1, 2008 3:02:38 AM

This Democrat will vote McCain if Hillary is not nominated. Like it or not, it's my right. So, get used to it.

Posted by: ablanche08 | Jun 1, 2008 2:53:26 AM

Anon, Americans who can't make peace with Obama's mixed heritage are the most closeted you have ever met.

They are the type missing out on the New America...have hardly socialised beyond their kitchen gardens.

Posted by: Diana | Jun 1, 2008 2:51:48 AM

Barack Obama is more all-American
than George Washington who was
British.

Posted by: anon | Jun 1, 2008 2:30:56 AM

Obama's campaign will be studied for a long time by both friends and foes.

It was a classic David v. Goliath and boy didn't he bring down the "inevitable."

Instead of ranting and raving, Clinton should HUMBLE HERSELF AND TAKE NOTES.

Posted by: Meredith | Jun 1, 2008 2:23:12 AM

Kelly,

Im sorry for your dad and you speak the truth!

Dems unite!

Posted by: Kate | Jun 1, 2008 1:57:33 AM

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