Political Punch

As they say in Chicago, the fix is in. This Presidential primary election was never going to be fair. Now the Democratic nominee must be determined behind closed doors. This the change we can believe in: Barack Obama = Politics, Chicago Style.

Unshrub....Obama is welcome to declare himself the winner if he wishes. But he cannot "win" without the official superdelegate tally in Denver....actually he cannot win without superdelegates.

I think Hillary should play by the "rules"and take it to Denver. Kennedy went to the Convention 700 delegates down....win lose or draw I will stick with the candidate who has a great track record of helping children and minorities throughout her lifetime.

Hillary Clinton has a true record of making a difference. I was a community organizer in the 80's and that's not a real recommendation for the presidency.Obama's record in the State Senate was undistinquished...all he's done in the US Senate is run for president.

McCain has his failings but he did stop the torture that was a policy in the Bush Whitehouse....and he has often stood up to Republicans when they had bad policies....Did you know John Kerry wanted McCain to run with him 4 years ago?

McCain is a different kind of Republican. He has a track record of reaching across the aisle and doing the right thing. He will end the corrupt "pork barrel" policies that are much more damaging to the economy than special interests...and more expensive to the taxpayers too.

Obama started his career by throwing his friend and mentor Alice Palmer under the bus and he has practiced the Black Liberation Theology for 20 years.

Say NO to Obama.

Some people take their own reality for truth. Oh they are the whole world, taking the rest for granted.
The ridicule tactics work for the youth and
easy-to-scare people.
Opinions are not built in one day, it will take more than months to undo people deep thinking.
There is to-day and there is to-morrow,
what goes up will go down,
but there is no harm in learning where go the ways.

The one thing that's astonishing about this campaign is how many Clinton supporters believe various things that aren't remotely the truth - her popular vote fable, dissing Obama about Rezko when she has giant skeletons in her closet in comparison, Ayers when Bill Clinton sold pardons including to far worse people than Ayers, etc. Where is she finding these people?

Actually, many people happen to vote the individual and not the Party. This time, the Democratic Party has shown it has gone its own way, leaving millions of people dissatisfied.
The Party has shown all along its preference for BO.
The factor of time "here and now" will be playing since it did not play during the race.
Why did the media not play its role and real press coverage and examine BO candidacy thoroughly as they did for HC?
The "here and now" factor would have played earlier and millions of people would have thought more before supporting BO.
It seems very clearly that the fate of Hillary was sealed from the beginning, given the funny caucus system of delegates allocation and the role the press and media have played.
Instead of talking about policy and economy, all the attention was drawn on Hillary's ankles, tone of voice, tears, what have you.
The FL and MI is an attempt, and it's good that it has been made, to express the frustrations of Hillary supporters towards the conjunctural disgrace of the process.
In sport game, what is exciting is to see the two teams or the two performers play out in front of the eyes of the public and the one losing bow out and shake hands with the winner.
In this primary, this didn't happen.
The playfield is the public sphere of puclic debates, with the two candidates showing what they are worth and the public choosing, that is supposed to be part of the rule.
The debates were mostly replaced by character assassination of Hillary Clinton by BO supporters with the support of the media.
BO didn't want to debate too much.
There is no dealing with "here and now" factor like in sport. The Democratic Party had already their nominee and the question is how to play out as if it's a real race.
From the point of view of HC campaign and her supporters, the FL and MI issue is playing by the "here and now" attempt. There is no strategy.
From the point of view of the DNC and BO campaign, it's playing the strategy of "let's deal with this in such a manner that looks fair, knowing that it's flawed all along the way". But what they have succeeded haven't they?
But may be not quite yet, the "here and there" factor may play now that they head towards November.
The BO campaign won't have a free ride from all the media.
They have the republicans machine to deal with.
And the many voters who haven't seen anything they can approve from the way they have been treated, they will be part of the "here and now" factor.

Don't think Hillary did herself any good by bussing in these hectoring, irrational shills. Nor did Harold Ickes serve her well with his profane blustering and threats. If these fools are going to support McCain, I hope the country gets to see them on tv every day!

DNC has declared John McCain as a winner today. Congratulation to Mr. new President John McCain.

Women we will NEVER BE GIVEN anything!!!

To become President you have to follow the rules and ACTUALLY WIN.

The bottom line: HILLARY LOSES EVEN WHEN MI AND FL ARE COUNTED.

Why should we expect special treatment?

Posted by: Doug | Jun 1, 2008 12:33:14 AM

it is our "illustrious" dem congress that continues to fund the war. that is why there are suppose to be checks and balances. So much for pelosi and reid.
mccain says we will leave iraq, and leave a contingent behind. same idea as bho and hillary, just different words. 100 years? sounds like korea to me...

I am fed up with the juvenile sore-loser tantrums of Clinton supporters.

Why are we Dems in the first place?

I am one of those who hasn't gotten over Al Gore and HELL WILL HAVE TO FREEZE BEFORE I VOTE MCCAIN.

Go ahead and vote for McCain. Then say goodbye to your Social Security checks you old hags.

Posted by: tired | Jun 1, 2008 12:24:06 AM

true, we vote mccain.

Ann

I believe you are right. It would be foolish for the Dems to do otherwise. We can have a little fun here, but I believe, that even those "hard-working, people, WHITE people", don't want to see more war, more homelessness, more school shootings and crime, more hunger, more environmental violations, or even more abused animals, and will do the right thing in the privacy of that voting booth ...

Joyce

Thank you, you are right. Even Hillary herself said she would campaign for Obama should he win the nomination. And she is not stupid. She has toned down her negative tone regarding him IN CASE she has to, and why not? Whenver she hits a town with her one press-person and 3 staffers, to address a crowd of 226 people, who is going to hear it anyway? Even the likes of James Carville said if Obama wins, he would be the first to write him a check for the full amount allowed. Come on pp, get on your party's bandwagon!!

Be honest pp; insults have been fired from both sides.

Posted by: Maggie | May 31, 2008 11:29:19 PM

i agree! the bho supporters defile hillary, talk horribly about her supporters, and then expect hillary to campaign for bho and us to vote for him. give me a break.

Eye wide open

And Obama is not threatening to keep THEM there for another 100 years, either. Nor has he lied on any of them and insinuate that they did not protect him from enemy crossfire. Face it, the more "they" try to bring Obama down, the stronger he gets. Who is "they"? Perhaps we should ask Bill Clinton, lol!! Also, who cares whether Obama eats porkbellies? I would rather that then my female president be seen on international television drinking a shot and a beer!! Oh, by the way. I don't see candidate supporters as "followers". I see them as our servants (public servants, get it?).

Yes, it would be nice if we could debate in a CIVIL MANNER.

As for me, I am a new Obama supporter.

8 years of Bush have left me too wary and too angry to vote Mccain.

So even though I wish Hillary would have made it (with less of Bill), I am turning the page and looking to a good fall for Dems.

That Hillary supporter was filled with hate.

questioner | May 31, 2008 10:52:31 PM

Biden, Edwards, Obama & Richardson all took their names off of the MI ballot.

Candidates who wanted to take their names off of the FL ballot would have had to drop out of the race in order to do so.

The posters who can only say derogatory statements about Senator Clinton and her supporters need to think a bit instead of talking from their back sides. Such small minds. There are irresponsible.

Honestly, let us stop this sexist game.

HILLARY WANTS TO CAMPAIGN IN A PERFECT GENDER BALANCED AMERICA.

Too bad. Strategy and political skill can overcome everything as did:

Benazir Bhutto

Chandrika Kumaratunga

Ellen Sirleaf-Johnson

Margaret Thatcher (conservative party- just ask her how easy it was to campaign in that party.

Tired:

Well Obama will never be one of THEM, that's for sure.

As for "forked tongue"..... when B O's not sticking it into porkbellies, he's "sticking it to" his followers!

I just checked and there is over five thousand not a few hundred.

Posted by: Bishop

Sure, and it could be 5 MILLION. The point is it won't make a bit of difference 5k, 10k, 20 million!..matters not the size of some crowd they bused in. The only thing it will do is drive a nail further into her coffin. The future she would have had is dead as hell. The Dems. are pissed and they will be out for revenge....if people thought the Clinton's were hated before, the new level of hate will be huge. Leaders and even ordinary citizens will get back at the Clinton's.....I wish she would run as an Indep. she WOULD STILL LOSE.

pink | May 31, 2008 10:36:52 PML

HIS choice! He took his name off the ballot because he knew he couldn't have won then,,, and had his phoners tell his followers to vote UNCOMMITTED!

It was also HIS COICE to break the rules in Florida by campaigning prior to the election. Forget the reasons....HE BROKE THE RULE! WHY SHOULD ONLY FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN BE PUNISHED.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER STATES WHICH BROKE THE DUMB DNC RULe.. THEY WEREN'T PUNISHED. W H Y N O T ???

I never understood the whole popular vote argument mainly because it doesnt include evry state. Not EVERY state calculates a popular vote count, so the argument is flawed. And Hilary's calculation of popular vote includes ZERO votes for Obama in MI.

Sarah, character? I KNOW you are not using that word in the same sentence as Hillary!! What kind of mother allows her one and only child to LIE to the public, without flinching, about that crap in Bosnia? And what kind of grown woman (Chelsea) would do that? This is the example we are sending to the world regarding the kinds of parents we are here in America? No wonder, the world must be saying, that our kids are running around with guns ...

Experience? Um, excuse me. Hillary saying she is experienced is just a way of saying "I am an expert in the ways of business as usual". DUHHH... that is what we are trying to get away from!!! And besides, hasn't it been the "experienced" leaders who have gotten us into the mess we are in?? Perhaps we need a novice in the White House (Black House?).

Seah, are you kidding? Has it occured to you that the world is tired of talking to people with "forked tongues" and perhaps would respond positively to someone like Obama? You figure it out. Or does 4,000 more dead young men and women not matter to you because YOU probably won't be one of them???

After looking at how she put her campaign in debt I can see why Hillary would definately be the one to fix the economy.

People,
I'm not sure why the Obama zombies, out in force today, are claiming that Clinton supporters are sore about today's outcome. I'm thrilled with the outcome. The Rules Committee officially sanctioned the 2+ million votes in Florida and Michigan, which puts Clinton in the lead. Clinton has had more officially recognized Democratic voters pull the lever for her than any other Democrat in history. Even without winning the nomination she has crushed the idea that there is a testosterone entitlement for a candidate to be seriously considered for the role of President. This entitlement syndrome has been demonstrated by both Democratic and Republican party for over two centuries so its about time. Obama gets an embarrassing asterik and will have to campaign going forward with a well-deserved albatross as the second choice of the majority, draped around his neck.
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Hillary, the candidate of the Democratic majority!
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YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Dave S",
I've been posting here for several months and have endured non-stop insults from the Obama camp, never a persuasive argument as to their candidate's values, only insults. Along the way I realized that this is a recurring pattern. It finally occurred to me that the insults were not too persuasive and that only some kind of abuser or blind zombie would try to use insults to persuade another. If you are a Democrat you will agree with this no doubt!
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Hillary in '08 or '12, the lower the number the higher the IQ of the Democratic Party
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Hillary's own words

"It's all about the delegates."

WestCoastMoron -

Have you checked the over under HRC winning the dem nomination. Its over pal, Im off in a premature fashion....need a hankie for those tears? LOL

Obama ran a smart campaign, I give him that. He's still wrong. Clinton is the better candidate. It's a question of experience and character.

WestCoastMessenger caucases have taken place for a long time. Hillary doesn't do well in them so what do her and her supporters want? They want the rules changed.

WCM, its not the popular vote that picks the Democratic candidate, or the Presidential candidate. Of the 17m HRC supporters, some will protest vote, sure, about as many voters as Barr will siphon off from McCain. Sore loser you are, and sadly misguided.

You see WestCoastMessenger Hillary herself had said that it was all about the delegates. Then she fell behind and then behind even more. When the math became impossible is when Hillary started with the popular vote stuff. Pretty similar to when she agreed to the Michigan and Florida rules before she was behind and then demanded those rules she agreed to be eliminated. Hillary has zero class and zero dignity. It she did Hillary would know how to just lose while keeping those characteristics in tack. She will now try her best to paint Obama's nomination as being flawed while at the same time spout the hollow talk about party unity and backing up the other candidate. Hillary without a doubt is a person who had a sense of entitlement and then saw her world come crashing down.

Why did Obama* choose today to resign from his church. Why did he wait 19 months after racism reared its ugly head in that church. Obama*, politics as usual.
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Hillary in '08 or '12, the lower the number the higher the IQ of the Democratic Party
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WCM needs his/her/its meds, and a few hundred delegates he aint gonna get LOL.

Deal with it...and thank god...the Clinton's are done!

"Shelost",
Not at all, let's move forward with the general caucus, and make sure that Obama* wins that caucus. Where will it be held in November?
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Team Obama, great at caucus intimidation! They should be able to clean up in the November caucus!
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Sorry WCM, the popular vote crap is just that. Its delegates that matter. Man you HRC people are creepy, and irrelevant at this point.

WestCoastMessenger I see you're another one who wants to ignore that caucas states exist.

"Presumptive Nominee" now gets an asterik. Obama* can now focus on the upcoming general caucus in November, where he is sure to trounce McCain. Hey, does anybody know where I go for the general caucus?
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Obama*, the caucus champion! Sure to win, right?
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adellani.

You're correct.
Delegates needed to win the nomination
raised to 2218.
Hussein doesn't have that number.

adellani:

Another dreamer with flawed math, I see.

Looking forward to the SuperD flood for Senator Obama on Tuesday (Wednesday and Thursday as necessary), and his being over the new goalpost as early as Tuesday and certainly by the end of next week. All this using REAL math!!!

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

adellani feel free to come back to planet Earth anytime. First, to call this the night that Hillary won the nomination is laughable. She's still well behind in pledged delegates and will be well behind at the end of all the races. Second, the popular vote spin the Hillary campaign has forced on everyone is disgraceful. They don't count caucas states in that popular vote tally. Shouldn't those votes be counted? Hillary has lost the race and everyone just needs to start to move on.

What happened tonight at the DNC Rules Committee, which I'm sure the media will not emphasize is (1) that the Delegate minimum for the nomination has been increased automatically to at least 2118 (no longer 2026), so Obama is still far from it, (2) With the net gain she has received, she automatically reduces Obama's pledged delegate lead by over 25 votes, (3) this lead will be further reduced after the last three primary contests leaving it at possible about 120, (4)the DNC Rules Committee has in effect established as a fact, HRC's popular vote lead having now admitted the delegates of FL and MI (particularly as FL's was done without tampering with the manner in which they were cast) even though they get to have half a vote each at the Convention. (You see, these delegates are awarded based on votes cast by real human beings, not robots). Again, this popular vote lead will be widened after the last three primaries. Added to her victories in all the big states, the key states and with key voting blocs as well as her lead with electoral college votes, her case to the supers is complete. If you ask me, tonight was the night that HRC won the nomination. This fact will begin to dawn on the media and her detractors soon enough. I have always said that focusing merely on the delegate race was simply uninformed.

The democratic party is about to split
for good.Blacks and radicals can have
the party.Conservatives and mainstream
democrats will move to republican party.
A new era in U.S POLITICS.
History revisited again.
Back in 60's and 70's the south was
solid democratic.After the civil rights
law with LBJ president the south switched
rebublican.

Americans WILL NOT vote for Hussein.
Hussein is un-electable.
Hussein needs to go back to Chicago
to continue as a street organizer.
He has the worst political resume

To all of you who keep on reiterating over and over that HRC has won the popular vote, please consider the fact that the caucus states do not count votes, they count delegates only. So for HRC to say she won the popular vote, she hasn't. I live in a caucus state and I would also like my vote to be one person/one vote, but that's not how it is. We receive delegates, they don't count votes. OBama won the popular vote if you count caucus states. Time for unifying the democratic party. Its time for everybody to get together so we can win over McCain in November.

The democratic party is about to split
for good.Blacks and radicals can have
the party.Conservatives and mainstream
democrats will move to republican party.
A new era in U.S POLITICS.
History revisited again.
Back in 60's and 70's the south was
solid democratic.After the civil rights
law with LBJ president the south switched
rebublican.

Americans WILL NOT vote for Hussein.
Hussein is un-electable.
Hussein needs to go back to Chicago
to continue as a street organizer.
He has the worst political resume.

To be honest, I think Hillary is better than her campaign has been run and the vicious supporters she has. I really believe she would have been a good president. The problem is that she hired incompetent people to manage her campaign. Obama has run an inclusive, efficient campaign. I hope he runs the country the same way. I know McCain won't. Obama is not a whiner but I wish some of the other candidates and their supporters would just be fair and quit whinning also. Get over it already.

again - in this country what the point of making rules if you don't have to follow them? What about laws then - can we just arbitrarily throw them out too? This is BS and I hope that it causes many ripples because of this dumba$$ decision.

OBAMA SHOULD QUIT THE RACE!

THE MOST DEVISIVE, CALCULATING, DISHONEST, MANIPULATIVE, HYPORCRITICAL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EVER!

Hey CLinton supporters!

No one quits when they have just won..

Wake up.... Obama won. Now it's time to stop acting like a bunch of losers and support Obama...

I have to admit, Obama's poor judgment in his pastor and his church is a lot worse than Hillary's judgment in voting for the Iraq war. Some controversial statements versus 4,000+ American lives - the controversial statements are a lot worse.

It's a shame about Obama's church. Obama knows that Democrats cannot win by ignoring faith all the time. However, his and McCain's efforts have backfired since they both have some crazy pastors. At least this won't be an issue in the general election; otherwise, the Republicans will sound like hypocrites

Senator Obama can only win by buying the superdelegates and he been doing just that for three weeks. He put aside a large amount of money to help them win at their next election. This was confirmed by the DNC.

Obama has 'street cred'. That's hip-hop for you who don't know. (His words, not mine)

shelost

You sure can rave a lot without saying anything meaningful.

Florida was just voted a full delegation with half votes. It is now DONE.

They are now moving quickly to Michigan.

Obama Leaves His Church After Pastor Controversies ...

... 20 years to late!

Hillary agreed to these rules. But now that it is apparent she will not win, she wants the rules to change. She wants to win at any cost. It's unfair to punish Obama for following the rules. Obama is a diplomat. He still wants to give Florida and Michigan a vote. Clinton is a divider and only cares about her own selfish interests.
Sorry Hillary - Americans voted and we don't want you to be our next president.

Obama '08

She is right. We will vote for McCain over Obama.

I saw the video and that woman is a total idiot. She's just as nuts as Hillary Clinton.

I dont think anyone thinks that JAke.

She is and will be about 50 delegates short or obama but she has and will have won the popular vote.

So the decision of 800 delegates who are free to vote for the best candidate to take on McCain in Nov is between the popular vote winner and Primary winner vs. the winner of Caucuses in Red States.

When the see the electability numbers, their job, which is clearly outlined in their mandate, will be to nominate Hillary Clinton who is by far the stongest candidate for the democrats in Nov.

The alternative is to lose the white house yet again, because the dems have a tendancy of nominating unelectable candidates.

This is the funniest thing I have ever read. Are you really telling me that these people, who cared enough about this situation to go all the way to the meeting to support Hillary, don't even know that she would still be way behind even if they counted Florida and Michigan?

There is a frightening side to this of course. It means the most powerful person in the world could end up being decided by people who don't even understand how to add up.

Today's meeting is important, no-one should doubt that, but the nomination won't be decided as a result of it. Even if you seat every delegate and give Hillary everything she wants she would still need a miracle to even get close to winning.

Obama just sold the little credibility he had left when he just DITCHED his 20 year church .

Clinton needs to be the nominee now.

But they wont. They will RAM Obama down our throats and Mc Cain will win the election.

Mc Cain 08

seah
says
"Obama is the Greatest National Security threat this country has ever Faced."

I'm sorry if this sounds disparaging but that is the stupidest thing I have ever read on here.

This election is done the numbers...the real numbers show Obama has the best chance at President (because primary polls have a defection number that historically has never held up...but likeability and approval numbers can)

and the issues are WAY to overwhelming this year for 5th grade anger and salacious innuendo won't work.

Period.

Narrowcast polling has the clinton supporters thinking the highly flawed mccain could win. All part of the past. Now, how many times have those same people been asked how upset they are at having a boss who is younger than they are? I think part of it is ageism in reverse. Are you one of the people who gets upset if the younger one becomes your leader?

Obama is the Greatest National Security threat this country has ever Faced.

Obama can only win by superdel because the number will change if they come to an agreement. He Has to win thru duper dels.

Bomb-Bomb-Iran McCain less dangerous than Obama? In-The-Mold-Of-Alito-And-Thomas McCain less dangerous than Obama? Tax-Cuts-For-The-Rich McCain less dangerous than Obama? Healthcare-System-Not-Broken McCain less dangerous than Obama? And your worry about Obama is... his preacher? Honestly, not following your logic.

older person,

""Guess who put that in their head DURR don't take to many smarts to figure that out. Another one of her lies....Will that woman ever be made to account for all the bull she and her numb aqq hubby have spread in this campaign...""

You better believe her day of reckoning is coming because she is done and spoken, at least politically. If the Dems lose this election, she will be run out of town so fast her head will spin. NOT EVERYONE LOVES HILLARY! For those that do not hate the Clinton's now, they will come to loathe them as much as us Republicans. This is all non-sense. An unbiased person can see this for what it is and can recognized the implications of her actions and attitude this whole campaign season. All I can say is, welcome to how we feel about the Clinton's. Now you all see, it wasn't just our imigination or some vast conspiracy. These people think they are larger than life. These people are constant victims...it never ends. I hate to say we told you so - but hell - but we TOLD you so.

Breaking news now he resigns his church.It's a little to late the republicans are going to have a field day with this I think most people in the media must not go to church cause they don't know why this should matter twenty years.

Hillary gave her supports the mistaken impression she can win. She continually twists the numbers and figures to give the false impression she can win.

The superdelegates are the only way she can win. Hillary is only aiding John McCain.

None of the Obama supporters seem to understand that a lot of Hillary supporters simply see McCain as the better candidate when compared to Obama. Obama came up with no one really knowing who he was. The campaign process helped fill in a lot of information. Many Hillary supporters, while not really supporting McCain, see him as less dangerous to the country than Obama.

Their inability to recognize the small impact of seating the full delegation, just speaks to their lack of awareness, insight, intelligence, etc. Yet, these are some of the same folks that claim they will vote for McCain. Well, I say go ahead. With voters that stupid, who needs voter intimidation!.....

In fact, I say give her the full 100 percent delegation she is requesting. I would love to see the bewilderment on their faces then.

I am so over Clinton and her supporters.

Hillary Clinton is basically declaring: "Keep changing the rules until I win. It's only fair! (and, the only thing I'll accept."

I don't give a hoot if there are millions ,She can not change the rules or she win no matter what.She does not tell this country what they can and can not do.

And we have only just begun to show how much we support Hillary we will be in Denver.Also

Though I'm an Obama supporter, I say good for the woman from California. I think she's right that Wright & Ayers & Rezco will be a problem for Obama in the fall. Where I don't follow her logic though is how that makes McCain the better candidate. Because the Republicans will launch "guilt by association" attacks on the Democratic candidate we need to renounce the Democratic candidate and vote Republican? I don't get it. Do you think she'd respond the same way to Republican smear tactics against Clinton? Why isn't she willing to stand up for the Democrat in the race?

fox is showing them 5000-6000

I just checked and there is over five thousand not a few hundred.

Why are they protesting. Hillary has lost to the ultras. Nothing left to do but but for her supporters to join them now.

There isn't that many protestors outside actually.

I was expecting thousands but it seems just a few hundreds are out there.