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The "Told You So" Calculation

May 29, 2008 11:59 AM

"Have you seen the general election polls lately?" Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, asks in a new email fundraising pitch. "They consistently show that we'll beat John McCain in November. In a national head-to-head match and in the critical swing states, the numbers show I'm the best candidate to take back the White House for Democrats. That is why it's critical that we stay in this race and keep fighting for every last vote. We can win the nomination if we extend our popular vote lead, and that means putting everything we have into the final races. With just a few days before the voters in Puerto Rico head to the polls, our campaign is working hard -- and your support is making the difference."

Chris Cillizza at The Fix postulates that Clinton and her husband "seem to be laying the groundwork -- whether unconsciously or consciously -- to go back to Democratic voters if Barack Obama comes up short in November with a very concise message: 'Told you so.'"

Cillizza notes that Clinton herself in that Argus Leader editorial board meeting said she found calls for her to drop out "curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don't understand it and between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this and you know historically that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery."

Bill Clinton over the weekend, noting the electoral math arguments we've pointed out before (most significantly that Clinton out-polls Obama significantly in Florida and Ohio), said "she is winning the general election today and he is not, according to all the evidence. And I have never seen anything like it. I have never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running."

I don't know that comparing Clinton's numbers to Obama's right now is fair. Obama has been getting attacked fairly regularly by McCain, and until recently by Clinton. Conversely, I think it's fair to say that Obama has been unable to fully attack Clinton on a number of issues on which she'd be vulnerable to GOP attacks during a general election -- Clinton scandals, Bill Clinton's business dealings.

On the other hand, Obama has benefited from some embarrassingly obsequious media coverage, and Clinton from some of the roughest treatment a candidate's experienced since the Nixon years.

Some supporters of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, felt this way in 2000, too -- that Al Gore would beat George W. Bush, that the Republican party was nominating their weaker candidate.

I guess we'll see.

- jpt

May 29, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (87)

User Comments

Sorry, but I don't want the candidate selected by the "Children of the Corn."

NO ONE HAS 2118... NO ONE WILL HAVE 2118 BEFORE THE CONVENTION!

The media, the DNC, the Obama campaign or even the SD’s can blather on all they want, but “the rules” don’t give SD’s any substance as “pledged delegates” until they vote at the convention.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Leslie | Jun 3, 2008 3:14:17 PM

Correction: I read your pieces. A more accurate statement would have been that I'm a working mother and I haven't had a day to actually count all the anti-Obama pieces and the pro-McCain pieces and run the stats. But then again, I'm guessing I'm not far off. And while I'm at it, why does this network allow news to be reported which is based on unvetted blogs, written by people with virtually no qualifications, and no factchecking - and represent it as fact?

Posted by: Mara | May 30, 2008 10:38:30 AM

Clinton has faced the roughest media coverage since Nixon? Are you serious? I work for a living, so I haven't had time to actually run through your pieces but here's a safe guess: Anti-Obama 95% Pro-Obama or neutral 5%; Anti-Clinton 10% Neutral Clinton 90%; Anti-McCain .05% (you through in a couple which can barely be considered critical - you even found an apologist for his inane Iraq remarks) Pro-McCain 99.5%. Clinton has had a rough time? You entire PP ratings rely on fueling Obama hatred.

Posted by: Mara | May 30, 2008 10:32:24 AM

so what's the deal here with the comments...some get posted, and I guess some don't...

Why the censorship?

Posted by: S | May 30, 2008 2:23:40 AM

News flash...Hillary will suspend her campaign next week and take her appeal to Denver two days before convention. Good idea with the idiots that keep speaking at Trinity, another Rev. today on film being played on FOX. Great strategy.

Posted by: Debra | May 29, 2008 5:56:07 PM

On May 28, 2004, the Electoral Vote Predictor had Kerry ahead of Bush in the general, 327 to 211.

As of today, it has Clinton ahead of McCain, 327 to 194. It has Obama ahead of McCain, 266 to 248.

Things change. That's why citing polls to convince SDs to choose you over the candidate who won the most delegates in an election won't work. Who knows what Clinton might say in the general to mess things up. Another Bosnia sniper lie or an "assassination" type remark and she'd be toast against the Republicans. Saying she's tired or misspoke won't fly. McCain won't be as gracious.

Can't post links here but you can google it with keywords: electoral vote predictor may 28, 2004. Should be the second link on the page.

Posted by: Cindy | May 29, 2008 5:37:57 PM

Mr. Marine,
Why don't you tell us what you know about Rev. Wright... its pretty clear from your comments that you have no idea who the man actually is. He's left, for sure, but he's also a former marine.

Posted by: clearly | May 29, 2008 5:35:35 PM

Re Polls for fundraising.

The polls have been so all over the place this primary. Who in the world would reject delegate counts and base the nomination on them? R

Hillary's campaign is officially OVER on Tuesday (its really been over for a while) . Who in the world would send her money?

Who....SUCKERS thats who.

Posted by: charlottemom | May 29, 2008 5:20:01 PM

DMK...Jessie Jackson is tied up in the closet with uncle Rev. Wright, Al Sharpton, angry Michelle, and Farrakhan. They can't come out until they clinch this thing. They got the memo...no angry blacks to be covered by Media until AFTER Nov.

Posted by: Debra | May 29, 2008 4:49:51 PM

I still remember when good old Bill pardoned the Puerto Rican terrorists on his last day in office.
Why? Because he knew that one and a half million people in New York were Puerto Rican and she was going to run for Senate and President. Way to go Puerto Rico, support your terrorist friends. Don't you know that the Clinton's would sell Chelsea for a vote and never look back. I am ashamed of them and am glad that the country is seeing them as they really are. Too bad Puerto Rico does not. Too bad that Puerto Rico would vote against Obama because of the color of his skin. Let's call it what it is. Get out Hillary! Go back to your home in New York that Terry McAuffie bought for you and enjoy the Lincoln bedroom antiques you stole from the White House.

Posted by: USmarine0331 | May 29, 2008 4:34:39 PM

Well, if she plans to steal this election I will not be voting. Her actions are not democratic. It is unfair to not count the caucus states in her popular vote argument as well as discredit the uncommitted votes in MI. This is double speak and she does not care about disenfranchising voters. She only cares about her own votes and states she has won. That is not the definition of a democracy. I am infuirated with Hillary and her supporters. She is a hypocrite because her campaign manager Ickes created the rules for the primaries and voted to strip MI and FL of their delegates. This is overlook by her supporters. From the beginning, Hillary and her supporters have been trying to stop the democratic process by crowning her the presumptive nominee before any of our voices was heard. Her supporters did not have a problem with the superdelegates when over 200 endorsed Hillary prior to the primaries. Her supporters did not have a problem when Hillary agreed to the MI and Fl terms and her statement that the she would receive the nomination by feb. 5. This double talk of Hillary and her supporters are hypcritical. They have a sense of entitlement as though their voices are more important than the rest of us. Now their candidate is losing they are crying wolf. This is why we need to turn the page from people who believe they are entitled to something. Her supporters are mistaken that if Hillary steals this election people will just vote for her. You are wrong. I and others will not vote. I hope her supporters are enough for her to win the election. You have successfully divided the party with your gutter tactics.

Posted by: USmarine0331 | May 29, 2008 4:32:01 PM

This story is irrelevant speculation or simply muckraking.

The math is against Obama in the general election. Reid and Pelosi can't change that, and frankly, they don't care. They have the voter list, the amazing money machine is greased, and Pelosi is printing yard signs for 2012.

Vote for McCain, write-in Hillary or stay home. The DNC is history.

Posted by: len | May 29, 2008 4:11:41 PM

What Obama supporters don't seem to get is that millions of blue collar Americans don't mind voting for Maverick Republican Moderate U.S. Senator John McCain, if a 20 year follower of Jeremiah Wright becomes the Democratic presidential nominee.

McCain is not liked by neo-conservatives, and McCain was treated like an outcast during the Bush Administration.

Obama supporters mistakenly think that Hillary supporters will eventually accept Obama's long history of associating with black nationalists, socialists, and other radical left-wingers and vote for Radical Obama in November.

However, they are only hoping that they will.

While blue collar Americans are unhappy with Bush, they are also unhappy with Jeremiah Wright's call for his followers to ask God to D_mn America, and with his racist rhetoric, which blames white Americans for HIV, crack cocaine, and everything else that is bad in this world.

Posted by: USmarine0331 | May 29, 2008 3:55:35 PM

No, not really.

Actually, I think old "W" would probably take better care of his horses and other animals than he has our country.

Posted by: SandyB | May 29, 2008 3:30:18 PM

Nat..sorry to dissapoint you in stating what alot of people feel and the media is not covering...don't want to burst the Obamabites bubble. I am 45, white and living in L.A.....liberal land. Many of my friends feel this way, and it's not that BO is Black! It's his lack of judgement regarding his church and who he aligns himself with.
One of my best friends is black....we do not talk about this election. I love her. I don't love Obama for a President. He's a fine guy. JUST NOT FOR POTUS.

Posted by: Debra | May 29, 2008 3:29:01 PM

Jake, thank you so much for this: "Obama has benefited from some embarrassingly obsequious media coverage, and Clinton from some of the roughest treatment a candidate's experienced since the Nixon years."

Too bad you are the only true journalist that can admit that!

Posted by: Rachel | May 29, 2008 3:25:44 PM

Hillary Clinton came out the day after the PA primary with the triumphant assertion that her campaign had raised $10 million. This was a bald-faced lie, according to the Federal Election Commission which monotors contribution to candidates.
According to the FEC, Clinton took in $1,738,154.61 on April 23 and $2,578,730.28 on April 24.

It is hard to reconcile these figures with the confident claim I recall Terry McAuliffe spinning out the ten million figure all over the MSM on the day after the PA primary.

It is also hard to arrive at an accurate estimate of the actual indebtedness of the Clinton campaign.

But it cannot escape the attention of superdelegates that fiscal responsibility is a major qualification for a Presidential nominee. In such a contest, Obama would win over Clinton hands down.

Posted by: Owen | May 29, 2008 3:24:46 PM

Paige,
you're foolish to think Obama didn't use the anti-Hillary sentiments of the last 20 years as part of their stump. That's exactly what they're saying now, that she's always had "unfavorable" ratings! And the whole Bosnia sniper fire incident was promoted by them to continue to paint her that way.

So. yeah, whatever, continue to believe that Barack Obama is an angelic candidate and above politics. Because he's hardly at all.

Posted by: trustthesky | May 29, 2008 3:10:16 PM

You are absolutely right LA, my mistake and an apology.

Should have read nothing you said was coherent! Now that's fixed!

If an Obama supporter's utterances fall on deaf ears, could one assume that they never said anything?

Posted by: West Texas | May 29, 2008 3:01:39 PM

Tskey-Your talking about the candidate that started as the "shoe-in" for the nomination? The one that started with a truck-load of cash and heavy Democratic backing and a massive Superdelegate lead? That one? The only candidate anyone really heard about until March..? Now that candidate is 30 million in debt, mis-managed her campaign poorly and is blaming the media? That candidate is going to take on the Republicans? Obama never used the scandals of her past against her. The Republicans have 1400 pages of oppositional research on her - not including Bill......

Posted by: Paige | May 29, 2008 3:00:01 PM

That's what I like about Obama folks, they have so much class, and are so concerned about the heath cycles of HRC supporters.

Besides that they are so entertaining in their petty attempts at cleverness.

If an Obama supporter's utterances fall on deaf ears, could one assume that they never said anything?

Posted by: West Texas | May 29, 2008 2:56:51 PM

trustthesky...yeah...Obama has alot to be grateful for...his black skin and an American Idol society. Ferraro was right when she said Edwards was an unlucky white guy in this race.
Watch the cable new ratings decline like Oprah's did after she endorsed Obama....poor Oprah, her popularity is on the downslide with the women who made her. FOX, MSNBC, and CNN will also see their Neilson's drop.

Posted by: Debra | May 29, 2008 2:55:37 PM

Debra-It's a good thing you must not care about the environment, women's rights, health care for those who do not have it, the war, alternative energy, benefits for our men and women in uniform, etc.

Posted by: Paige | May 29, 2008 2:52:33 PM

AMEN, Debra. Except I may just not vote for anyone and just stay home.

Well I know for sure I won't be reading or watching the news. They have been awful in almost every recent election (too hot or too cold). They will be the real losers after tuesday. No more of my money for them.

Posted by: airplanes | May 29, 2008 2:48:39 PM

Just think how quiet the blogshpere will be when Hillary is out of the race. Her supporters (myself included), don't have to involve ourselves as much, we can turn off the cable news, stop news blogging, and know that we are voting McCain in Nov. McCain could have a scandal as big as he slept with Obama's mama, and I WOULD STILL VOTE FOR HIM OVER BO.

Posted by: Debra | May 29, 2008 2:45:15 PM

jmc663 ,

exactly, just let the loser cross the finish line. Why make another "Hillary is a bad person" article?
It's useless.

Posted by: trustthesky | May 29, 2008 2:43:20 PM

trustthesky,

It's not negative, it's realistic. She CANNOT win the Primary. Everyone knows this, she CANNOT catch up.

Pretending she can wont help.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 2:40:31 PM

The ONLY way HRC can win this thing is if she announces on Wednesday that she is divorcing Bill.

The voters and the Supers know Bill's shady dealings can't pass the smell test and the GOP will crush her with it.

I'm not kidding.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 2:38:55 PM

West Texas,

The finish line was crossed a month ago, but everyone is just hanging around letting HRC to finish.

The nation is a just tapping it's toes and rolling it's eyes.

She is the only one who doesn't get it.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 2:32:25 PM

As I stated earlier, the self-announced winners surely are not behaving like the winners they profess to be.

Must be tough knowing you are winners, but can,t seem to find that elusive finish line.

Posted by: West Texas | May 29, 2008 2:27:39 PM

Sshhhh - don't worry, it will all be over on Tuesday. There, there now.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 2:27:03 PM


Obama can blame no one but himself and his supporters since they have offend
the women and blue collar workers.

Posted by: Melissa | May 29, 2008 2:19:01 PM

Does Obama know how to talk and make sense of what he is saying without a written speech and teleprompt? I don't see any evidence of that.

I see alot of "laugh and wave it off" when any serious topic or question comes up. That is not a very good way to answer real questions about your stand on topics or your very questionable personal choices.

My take on this is: He says nothing because he has nothing to say. His associations are inexcusable, his stupidity is blatanly obvious, his inexperience oozes out of every pore in his body. All he can do is "laugh and wave it off"

Posted by: Vickie | May 29, 2008 2:03:25 PM

As I stated earlier, the self-announced winners surely are not behaving like the winners they profess to be.

They certainly are wasting a lot of time in here with HRC losers, when they could be devoting all their efforts to the GE, now that Obama definitely is the nominee.

Or did I miss something? Perhaps he is not yet the nominee after all.

Naw, surely he is, we have been told over and over how we and Hillary have definitely lost and are insignificant.

Perhaps they just "hope" he will win, and know he has won nothing yet.

Perhaps they also realize that should he be the nominee they will have to "change" the minds of the large majority of over 17 million HRC voters for him to have a chance in the GE.

Ain't gonna happen!

Posted by: West Texas | May 29, 2008 1:54:23 PM

Hillary is doing her best to make the " I told you so " calculation become a reality. Using her own version of the southern strategy ( no wonder Pat Buchanan likes her so much ) and arguing that "every poll ever taken" shows her as the stronger candidate.

She won't go to the convention because she hopes Obama will lose without her appearance in Denver. If she were to fight on and Obama loses she will bear the blame for fracturing her party, and lord knows she would never do that.

Posted by: Richard | May 29, 2008 1:46:35 PM

Vanessa:

If you know anything about Shawn Hannity you should know he plays the same game that Karl Rove does. It's like reverse psychology.

Did you know that for months he had the "stop Hillary express" campaign going on his radio talk show?

Posted by: Mary, MI | May 29, 2008 1:45:11 PM

they sure have jmc663 because that is the only way they can win.
Think back to the campaign when Hillary kept changing her message. She didn't start winning states until she started distorting and lying and attacking. Which means she couldn't run on her own achievements or even those of her husband. They didn't want to talk about the NAFTA issue anymore after she won Ohio, because it was the "Clinton camp" that gave the Canadians the wink/nod. Only a few articles mentioned that as admitted by the Canadians as fact only after those primaries were over.

Fear and Smear works every time.

Posted by: nospin | May 29, 2008 1:44:01 PM

You are right West Texas
Every Hillary supporting blog I go to the obamabots are on there claiming "You dont want a McCain victory do you so you must vote for obama". Wrong.
And if they were so sure of him winning in the GE you would think they would just sit back and be quiet.

Posted by: toby | May 29, 2008 1:43:30 PM

This is real. The MSM are afraid to mention these numbers that the stronger candidate in the GE will not be the nominee.
All of Hillary supporters will be saying "I Told You So" after the election and voting for McCain.

Posted by: toby | May 29, 2008 1:40:14 PM

Why is polling 5 months before an event supposed to be a basis for anything? When are these things ever right in presidential contests?

Remember what Hillary said in October 2007?:

"I pay absolutely no attention to what any poll says or what any pundit on TV says."See AP story October 7, 2007

Now general election polls in May are supposed to determine the nominee?

Posted by: Jay Biggs | May 29, 2008 1:39:40 PM

I think many people are willing to overlook Obama's lack of experience and the significant gaps in his knowledge base. But they won't elect someone who is perceived to be exclusively "the black candidate". The repetitive hits from his association and mishandling of Rev. Wright (the crazy preacher) in conjunction with comments like the "bitter/clinging" stuff I think have turned off for good a broad swath of the voters the Dems need to win the general election.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | May 29, 2008 1:39:16 PM

jmc663 - Who CARES what these fringe zealots think?

They live for smart people to engage their nonsensical, bitter ramblings. They're like the village idiot falling off the wall and rubbing gravel in their hair just to get attention.

Just ignore them.

Posted by: Texas Voter | May 29, 2008 1:34:31 PM

Fear and Smear works everytime.
stupid people.

Posted by: nospin | May 29, 2008 1:33:42 PM

If Obama supporters actually thought he was a sure thing they would not be clogging the blogs trying to alternately schmooz and demean HRC supporters.

They would instead be relishing their already announced victory and just chillin'.

Yet here they are? Why?

Because they know Obama has actually won nothing. All they have is hope.

We are here because we take nothing for granted, that anything is still possible, That Hillary is the only choice to win the GE, and that we Hillary Clinton supporters hold the absolute key to this election.

Without us, especially if multitudes vote for McCain because he is the best alternative to Obama, the DNC goes down in flames for the third straight time.

I welcome the Democratic Party implosion. Perhaps what arises from the rubble will be a truly Democratic Party, worthy of the Democracy element in its name.

Posted by: West Texas | May 29, 2008 1:33:36 PM

Hillary's running $20 million dollars in debt and we expect her to take care of the economy? She had eight years as the First Lady, which she touts as experience, yet she couldn't do anything about her only issue: health care? Finally, not only did she vote for the Iraq War, but she voted to give the Executive Branch the right to declare it against the very Constitution itself. If the Hillary supporters support her so much they would vote according to her general stance on the issues, which clearly parallel Obama's and not McCain's come November. Otherwise they are playing right into the years of silly politics where people vote because of a misspoken word or an acquaintance from 20 years ago.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." - Alexander Hamilton

Posted by: Wyatt | May 29, 2008 1:33:22 PM

nospin,

The Clinton's having been reading out of Rove's Playbook and are now even quoting him.

What a shame to see how far these two have fallen.

They are an embarassment to the Party.

Wake me up when they are gone!

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 1:33:01 PM

jmc663, but the fear and smear WILL work. And they know it. This will destroy the dem party, but they really aren't that great anyway so who cares.

I can see from these blogs that having Bill back in the WH screwing interns again is much better than allowing a black man to run this country.
Just remember the DNA.

Posted by: nospin | May 29, 2008 1:30:18 PM

Lets look into the future if Obama wins the General -

A real recession will occur - Fact
Gas Prices will soar - Fact - he supports another 50 cent tax on top of what we pay now.
Food prices will soar more - He believes we should not be eating as much
Un-employment will sky-rocket - becasue business will not be able to afford
Illegal Immigrants will increase
medical care will diminish

and worse a Nuclear bomb will go off in one of our cities!!

All the above except the last item will occur, listen to what he does not say (read between the lines)

Obama will destroy this country, that is what is meant by change!!

Posted by: spock | May 29, 2008 1:24:59 PM

The Clintons are hanging around waiting for the new and improved manufactured scandal they are getting ready to push forth on Obama.

Most understand that Barack Obama, as a black man, has gotten much further than anyone anticipated. So in order to make him 'unelectable' they have to come up with something, since those other issues didn't appear to work to keep him from winning. Even as hard as they pressed, and continue to press the negative.

Do you really believe they will let this black man win this election and run this country? There is no way they will let that happen. So, just be prepared, because its coming.

Don't worry hillary hypocrites, you will have something to cheer about soon enough.

As Geraldine Ferraro admitted, racism is in the DNA of this country. So even if it looks like he might win, fear not, they will take him down first.

Posted by: nospin | May 29, 2008 1:23:06 PM


I care less if Hussein Obama gets the
nomination.That's a problem for DNC
and the party leaders.
I can easy vote for McCain in G.E.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 29, 2008 1:21:45 PM

The polls are a Clinton fairy tale right now. No one from the McCain camp nor the Obama camp has campaigned/responded/challenged her in over a month. That is why her poll numbers are up in May.

Posted by: Jennifer | May 29, 2008 1:16:46 PM

HoosierSue -

The Superdelegates have never overturned the pledged delegates and they won't and shouldn't this time.

RCP Average
Obama46.6McCain44.1Obama +2.5

General Election: McCain vs. Clinton
RCP Average
Clinton45.9McCain44.9Clinton +1.0

Democratic Presidential Nomination
RCP Average
Obama50.7Clinton40.8Obama +9.9

Posted by: Lynne | May 29, 2008 1:12:46 PM

Since Hillary helped the Republicans with their playbook, her colleagues will
can thank her if the "uneducated WHITE
vote" becomes a problem for the Dems. Tapper did an article on Clinton's knee-capping strategy and she was a master at dividing her own party for her own good.

Posted by: Jennifer | May 29, 2008 1:12:12 PM

(Remember polls change all the time - not a good measure for November!)

Having said that - today Obama's ahead nationally, not Clinton. Maybe she should look at all the polls, not just those that favor her position:

RCP Average
Obama46.6McCain44.1Obama +2.5

General Election: McCain vs. Clinton
RCP Average
Clinton45.9McCain44.9Clinton +1.0

Democratic Presidential Nomination
RCP Average
Obama50.7Clinton40.8Obama +9.9

Posted by: Lynne | May 29, 2008 1:10:30 PM

Just like the beat cop waving people past the smoldering remains of the Clinton Campaign:

"Move along, folks. Move along, now. Nothing to see here."

Posted by: Texas Voter | May 29, 2008 1:08:47 PM

Sounds like the I'm the Inevitable Candidate arguement we heard in the beginning of this party..NOT!!!

Posted by: Lawrence | May 29, 2008 1:07:22 PM

HP Boston,

The old Karl Rove "Fear and Smear" is not going to work.

No one cares about flag pins or Rev. Wright, or any of that crap.

WE care about issues.

WE want health care and jobs and a good economy.

WE want the GOP out of OUR house.

THEY are not going to distract us with flag pins.

Nice try.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 1:06:22 PM

Georgia,

I understand all the hard feelings. But I think once this gets underway and her supporters get a REAL good look at McCain, they will shudder.

I think he will make strides in that direction if he makes if very clear from the start that HRC have a power position in his Cabinet.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 1:02:30 PM

It will be over in NOVEMBER!
The RNC is waiting to bomb, bomb, OBAMA!
Obama will lose. He is unelectable.

We will never, ever vote for OBAMA, NEVER!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 29, 2008 1:00:11 PM

Well I guess it is a matter where you look. Hillary wins some and Obama wins some. Some of what is seen is that tired old I will not vote for Obama, or Hillary or McCain crap. When it it is all said and done it will not happen.

Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | May 29, 2008 12:59:11 PM

DMK,

You have every right to support whomever you want. That is your right as an American.

But sending her back to the Senate under a Republican POTUS is not the most effective way to show her your respect.

Send the White House in a Democratic Cabinet.

That would REALLY pi$$ed of the Repubs, LOL!!

They hate her and HRC as Sec. of State would be perfect.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 12:58:23 PM

Polls show, contrary to mantra of Obama and media, that the more people get to "know" Obama the lower he sinks nationally.

The more HRC is attacked and demeaned the stronger she gets nationally.

The media and Obama have created a voter backlash that will only get worse for Obama, if and when HRC is out of the race. She is the only one that currenty brings a centralist bent to the party.

The RNC does not respect PC, and thrives on destroying ultra liberals, like Gore, Kerry, Dukakis, McGovern, etc., and next Obama.

I had heard McGovern switched to Obama because he wanted someone to beat his record of losing 49 states. He decided Obama was "the one he had been waiting for".

Posted by: West Texas | May 29, 2008 12:56:04 PM

With all the garbage that is about to come out about Barry the Democrates will beg Hillary to accept the nomination.

Posted by: The Malibu Kid | May 29, 2008 12:52:14 PM

Hillary Clinton: Yes we will. I have the popular vote. I'll take 18cents of the gas tax. I'll create jobs. I'll fight for you. I'll give Guam the right to vote in November, I'll give Puerto Rico the right to vote in November. I'll waste your hard earned dollars and ask for more. I'm losing but go to Hillary .com & give me more money to burn and they all cheer & clap.
Same BS different day and they just don't get it. YAWN.

Posted by: Chan | May 29, 2008 12:49:38 PM

Now that the whole "change" and "new politics" concept is old and maybe not so true, what are the reasons for supporting Obama?

Posted by: Jim | May 29, 2008 12:48:35 PM

Not that the whole "change" and "new politics" concept is old and maybe not so true, what are the reasons for supporting Obama?

Posted by: Jim | May 29, 2008 12:47:59 PM

Hillary hasn't filled her own tank of gas in 20 years. She is part of top 0.5% in wealth. She is married to an ex-President.

Yep, just like your average American. She really understands.

Posted by: Average for who???? | May 29, 2008 12:42:57 PM

DMK,

Hillary will support Obama. She wants to stay politicaly relevant. She wants a seat at the table. If she doesn't, she becomes a footnote.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 12:33:39 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ok. Don't you think it's more important who WE, her supporters, would support?? Haven't you heard yet that many of us would NOT support the empty suit Obama?

Posted by: DMK | May 29, 2008 12:39:06 PM

Hillary who? Hillary what?

Posted by: Owen | May 29, 2008 12:36:07 PM

I can live with OBAMA maybe shutting a “deaf ear” to what his preacher taught him for some 20 years, probably because he believes the teachings but would never speak the philosophy to others because he knows it is radical. But it is really hard for me to believe that he never expected to payback or give Rezko anything in return for his generous gifts? His biggest fundraiser, personal real estate advisor. THIS MORNING it was announced that Antoin Rezko has been issued an arrest warrant for corruption-related charges by a Las Vegas judge for large gambling debts. This man was giving money to OBAMA like there was no tomorrow and it appears he had no money to give? Reason? Rezko told the federal judge in Illinois that he was $50 million in debt. Rezko besides giving mega bucks to OBAMA for his campaign, he bought the lot next to OBAMA’s home at a mere $650,000.00 to help OBAMA purchase the home. OBAMA knew well that his friend was under investigation for corruption LONG before he bought the house, which has been satisfactory proven in court, long before he accepted the money for his first Senator campaign. Never anything in return of any kind to Rezko, just accepted these as “gifts” because he is a “nice guy”. This should clearly tell you what OBAMA thinks of the average US citizen – gullible, easy to fool, naïve, he is fleecing America with his speeches.

Posted by: Anne | May 29, 2008 12:34:01 PM

DMK,

Hillary will support Obama. She wants to stay politicaly relevant. She wants a seat at the table. If she doesn't, she becomes a footnote.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 29, 2008 12:33:39 PM

If I were Hillary I would NOT campaign for Obama... Let him campaign on his own! I hope and pray she does NOT!

Posted by: DMK | May 29, 2008 12:31:45 PM

DMK, this sound familiar?

It’s Obama’s fault
It’s the DNC’s fault
It’s my staff’s fault
It’s the left wing’s fault
It’s Howard Dean’s fault
It’s the FL & MI delegations’ fault
It’s the African American’s fault
It’s the educated voters’ fault
It’s the radical’s fault
It’s the caucus’ fault
It’s the students fault
It’s the media’s fault
It’s the primary systems’ fault
It’s sexist America’s fault

Hillary NEVER blames anyone

No never.

Posted by: Uh, right | May 29, 2008 12:31:12 PM

New Kind of Chicago Politics. Not!
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But back at the time he was running for state senate, Askia said he was dismayed Obama would use such tactics.

"It wasn't honorable," he said. "I wouldn't have done it. That's what I am saying."

He said the Obama team challenged every single one of his petitions on what Askia called "technicalities."

If names were printed instead of signed in cursive writing, they were declared invalid. If signatures were good but the person gathering the signatures wasn't properly registered, then those petitions also were thrown out.

Askia came up 69 signatures short of the required needed to be on the ballot.

Posted by: Boneheaded, Chicago | May 29, 2008 12:30:37 PM

WHO CARES?

Hillary has lost the nomination. So, she won't be on the ballot. Polls six months away from an election are useless. Six months ago Hillary was President....and she didn't even win the Primary.

Posted by: From My "Meaningless" State! | May 29, 2008 12:28:49 PM

Jeremiah-gate has made Obama unelectable.

Obama was electable before Jeremiah-gate, but "the revelations" about Obama close association with Jeremiah Wright has blown off the wheels of the Obama political bandwagon.

The results of the Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia, and Kentucky Primaries have shown that the Post-Jeremiah-gate Obama does not have the same political appeal as the Pre-Jeremiah-gate Obama.

If the super delegates ignore this fact and make Post-Jeremiah-gate Obama the Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary supporters will be telling the DNC "we told you so" on November 5th.

Posted by: USmarine0331 | May 29, 2008 12:26:57 PM

Jake: Per your colum above, McCain supporters were right in 2000. GWB was the weaker Republican candidate and he DID lose to Gore...and Hillary supporters are correct when we try to tell these Obama sycophants that HE CAN'T WIN. Hear me now and believe me later when McCain is sworn in.

Posted by: Cardsgal | May 29, 2008 12:25:39 PM

Ah, a new day and more Hillary bashing. I have to admit though that the most egregious example I've seen lately is Oliphant's cartoon today. It appears he's saying the Clintons are calling for the asassination of Obama. New low for CBS.

Posted by: JR | May 29, 2008 12:24:41 PM

why dont you talk about how barack is planning on blaming his loss on CLinton?

Posted by: trettine | May 29, 2008 12:16:55 PM

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LOL... that would be quite a show in November. wait till he and jesse jackson and all other fellow AA's start whining that people are being racists, and that Hillary is to blame for his loss...

Posted by: DMK | May 29, 2008 12:24:17 PM

why dont you talk about how barack is planning on blaming his loss on CLinton?

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Because Barack isn't planning to lose like Hillary is. What non-sense

However, you make a good point. Hillary is the Ralph Nader of 2008.

Posted by: Get real | May 29, 2008 12:24:08 PM

Those who believe the race is over now do not believe in the democratic systerm where every vote counts. That includes every vote in Florida and Michigan. This race should be determined at the convention. If the DNC and MSM keeps pushing the inept Obama down our throats, many, many democrates will vote for McCain. A Republican is better than a Socialist/Marxist candidate. Senator Obama cares only for Obama and the power.

Posted by: Mary | May 29, 2008 12:24:00 PM

Despite the fact that Obama is considered to be the highly probable Democratic nominee, Gallup Poll Daily tracking continues to show that, at the moment, Clinton is performing better against presumptive Republican nominee John McCain than is Obama. Clinton's five percentage point lead over McCain is statistically significant, and considerably stronger than Obama's 2-point loss to McCain among registered voters nationwide.