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What the FARC Was Obama Talking About?
May 25, 2008 11:08 AM
"I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Sen. Clinton and I have been campaigning, sometimes you get careless in terms of the statements that you make," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said, "And I think that is what happened here. Sen. Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it, and I would take her at her word on that."
One reason why Obama may be so forgiving (even if his campaign was not) about Sen. Hillary Clinton's assassination reference?
The man has been a one-man gaffe machine.
On Friday afternoon in Sunrise, Florida, Obama said, "how's it going, Sunshine?" (Watch HERE.)
Wrote the local Sun-Sentinel: "It wasnât clear if Barack Obama knew exactly where he was Friday afternoon when he spoke at his mass rally at the BankAtlantic Center."
He did the same thing in Sioux Falls, SD, calling it "Sioux City." (Watch HERE.)
"Obama starts speech with a gaffe," wrote the Argus Leader.
But those are the relatively silly ones. There have also been gaffes of more consequence.
As ABC News' David Wright and Sunlen Miller wrote, Obama seemed to either think Arabic is spoken in Afghanistan or he misunderstands the nature of military translators.
More recently, Obama as he traveled through Florida seemed to give some contradictory statements about Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez and the Colombian terrorist group FARC.
On Thursday Obama told the Orlando Sentinel that he would meet with Chavez and "one of the obvious high priorities in my talks with President Hugo Chavez would be the fermentation of anti-American sentiment in Latin America, his support of FARC in Colombia and other issues he would want to talk about."
OK, so a strong declaration that Chavez is supporting FARC, which Obama intends to push him on.
But then on Friday he said any government supporting FARC should be isolated.
"We will shine a light on any support for the FARC that comes from neighboring governments," he said in a speech in Miami. "This behavior must be exposed to international condemnation, regional isolation, and - if need be - strong sanctions. It must not stand."
So he will meet with the leader of a country he simultaneously says should be isolated? Huh?
On Friday in an interview with the Miami Herald, Obama also used language suggesting that he's not as positive that Venezuela is supporting FARC.
"When I asked him what he would do about the estimated 37,000 Interpol-certified Colombian FARC guerrilla computer files that indicate an active support from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa to the Colombian rebels, Obama went farther than the Bush administration," wrote the Herald's Andres Oppenheimer.
Said Obama: "I think the Organization of American States and the international community should launch an immediate investigation into this situation. We have to hold Venezuela accountable if, in fact, it is trying to ferment terrorist activities in other borders. If Venezuela has violated those rules, we should mobilize all the countries to sanction Venezuela and let them know that that's not acceptable behavior."
"If" Venezuela "is trying to ferment terrorist activities in other borders"? Just one day before Obama had asserted that Chavez was supporting FARC in Colombia.
I've asked the Obama campaign for a clarification and will get back to you as to what they say.
- jpt
UPDATE: The Obama campaign says there's nothing unusual about proposing the isolation of a country at the same time a President talks about meeting with its country's leader. (The Obama campaign cites how the U.S. is talking to North Korea via the Six-Party talks as an example. Though it might be observed, those diplomatic efforts are quite different than a presidential-level meeting.)
As for the statement, and then the very qualified "if" statement about Chavez and FARC, the Obama campaign says Obama is laying out his principles. The U.S. government says all the time, "If Iran continues its nuclear program," the Obama campaign says. I don't know. Saying, "if in fact" Venezuela is aiding FARC seemed to me at least to be different than saying "if Chavez continues aiding FARC." What do you think?
UPDATE 2: So, I just spoke to an Obama campaign foreign policy adviser and this is how he explains any confusion.
Obama, he says, believes that Chavez is supportive of the FARC, both ideologically and tangibly. The Obama campaign disagrees that Obama's language -- "if, in fact, it (Chavez) is trying to ferment terrorist activities in other borders" -- is hedging language at all. Obama has been very clear that he believes that Chavez is supportive of the FARC, the adviser says.
As to the question of whether one can pledge to isolate a country while also proposing a presidential-level meeting, the adviser says that I was inaccurate in characterizing Obama as proposing such a meeting -- the reality was that Obama was merely acknowledging a willingness to meet.
But "if we are going to isolate the Venezuelans, it may be that we have to engage in a full-on diplomatic strategy with them," the adviser says. Obama was not saying he, himself, would propose such a meeting, nor that he would necessarily participate in that meeting. When Obama referred to "my talks with President Hugo Chavez," he did not mean "my talks," literally (necessarily) -- he meant his administration's talks -- "though it could be him engaging in this diplomacy directly and personally," the adviser says. The point is, all the tools need to be in the diplomacy kit -- isolation, willingness to hold presidential meetings, and everything in between.
Got it?
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I have noticed a distinct pattern from Obama and his supporters towards revisionist history. Whether it's Pastor Wright, with his radical interpretations of American history, or Pastor Moss' denigration of Thomas Jefferson, or Obama's historical distortions, which support his P.R. image building efforts. Their tactic is to discredit, or distort history, in order to pave the way for their new extreme policies. A President of the United States should know, and communicate real historical facts, not fabrications for personal political gain.
Posted by: Gina | Jul 8, 2008 4:13:57 PM
The teleprompter candidate .. thanks but NO THANKS LOL
Posted by: Swannie | May 28, 2008 3:13:32 PM
As Obama, McCain & Hillay speak and comment on each others, one remains with the impression - ans hope - that those who really run the USA must hide somewhere, far from this moromic lot and maddening circus.
Pierre JC
Posted by: Pierre JC Allard | May 27, 2008 7:36:56 PM
This column is out and out racism. You don't like Barack simply because he is a Black man!
Posted by: StandUp | May 27, 2008 12:09:22 PM
To all of you who want this Man, who has no idea whats, what in the world , for president, good luck! Unless there is a teleprompter, telling him what to say , he has no idea about foreign affairs. He actually makes a fool of himself. He has fooled everyone, just because he is a Harvard graduate, does not make him intelligent. There are those who are professional students. They go to school forever without really mastering anything. Without other people words and thoughts, what has Obama really mastered! He hasn't been that great of a politician or lawyer.
Posted by: jp,michigan | May 27, 2008 12:05:49 PM
What really gets me about Obama is that he has been in national politics for what 3 to 4 years,but he constantly makes these foreign policy statements that make no sense if you actually analyze them, with an arrogance has thou he knows what he is talking about because for some reasons he thinks spending the last 20 years in the south side of Chicago gave him a better understanding of the world than someone who has actually been dealing with the world problems for the last 30 years. Even if you take away Obama lack of experience and lack of accomplishments or qualifications, he hasn't even traveled the world, he's been to three or four countries, never visited latin America, Europe most of Asia or the Middle East , then you compare that with McCain that has traveled the world extensively , visiting over 40 countries getting to know the way the governments work as well has how the people live and think and I know from experience that what you know of a country changes once you have visited it.
Posted by: sam | May 27, 2008 3:58:55 AM
It is extremely unlikely Obama could point to Colombia on a map, much less discuss a coherent policy on FARC.
The man has absolutely no friggin' clue about geopolitics and foreign policy. None whatsoever.
Given this level of monumental ignorance, why isn't Obama an undisputed candidate for the Democratic Party nomination?
He's done everything possible to ensure the American people that he's a twit. What more could Democrats want?
Posted by: beamish | May 27, 2008 3:51:36 AM
Just for the record -- how many of those out there defending Obama's gaffes still chortle at Dan Quayle's verbal clumsiness?
It would seem obvious that gravy for a goose is not, at least in this instance, gravy for a gander...
Posted by: Cthulhu | May 26, 2008 11:28:35 PM
ABC: We know you'd like nothing else than to see Obama fail, but it's not going to happen. I'd like nothing more than to see your network's check canceled. I used to watch ABC but couldn't stomach turning the channel your way after that last shameful debate! Out with the old, in with the new. Obama 08!
Posted by: Movement | May 26, 2008 10:02:25 PM
Unqualified or not it seems the media and Dems are going to nominate him.
Posted by: AGS345 | May 26, 2008 6:00:30 PM
If you want to irritate an Obama supporter, ask them what Obama's specific ideas are. If and when you twist their arm and get an answer, then debunk the idea as socialist or something that has been tried or failed before. You will then be accused of being a racist.
Posted by: Joe | May 26, 2008 5:07:03 PM
Obama is being protected by the liberal media. He is truly a knucklehead, an educated idiot if you will. None of his ideas are good ones and he routinely speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Like many lawyers, he is an overpaid, egotistical liar.
Posted by: Joe | May 26, 2008 4:49:27 PM
How about last week, when he clarified his comment that Iran was not a "serious threat" to us by saying that it was a "grave threat" to us? Or am I being to nitpicky?
Posted by: Jim O'Sullivan | May 26, 2008 4:07:53 PM
In his commencement address at Wesleyan University, Obama addressed the President of Welleseley, Clinton's school. By the way, former head of the House Intelligence Committee, Jane Harman, made a worse mistake than her successor, who didn't know the difference between Shi'a and Sunnis. Sunday she said that finally Iraq's Sunni government is going after the Sunni militia.
Posted by: Richard L.A. Schaefer | May 26, 2008 3:41:36 PM
Is FARC located in Massatoosits?
Gravitas baby, GRAVITAS.
Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller | May 26, 2008 3:39:28 PM
Sorry "jedreport", Tapper makes Obama look like a one man waffle machine in this piece. Is it too hard to get a straight answer out of sissy nuanced libs? Oh maybe I'm just "bitter" because they can't speak plain English, despite being obviously smarter than us common folk.
Posted by: sigh | May 26, 2008 2:43:40 PM
Pssst, will someone please clue Obama in on the meanings of the words "ferment" and "foment". Would hate to think he's a total moron from all these gaffes, now wouldn't we.
Posted by: sigh | May 26, 2008 2:06:20 PM
Uh-oh. We're getting into John Kerry-nuance territory here.
Posted by: hailstate | May 26, 2008 1:56:56 PM
Obama is the divine one and CANNOT
commit a "gaffe". It is we mere mortals
who cannot always grasp the perfection
of his reasoning that bear the imper-
fection of thought.....or so we are
told. To believe that Obama is a soft-
spoken carny-barker is heresy.
Posted by: hombre | May 26, 2008 12:28:10 PM
Rise up, all ye neocons and closet neocons masked as democrats. Lets unite and fulfill/reinforce our mantra of war is peace. We will show the world that the $3 trillion war debt is chump change when we quadruple that in years to come. Make sure you start investing in sovereign funds. If you're poor, good luck because you'll be screwed whoever gets nominated.
For the record, I won't hang my hat on any one of these three candidates nor the two parties. Invest (divest) accordingly. Read WSJ, Economist, etc.
Posted by: independent | May 26, 2008 10:44:05 AM
"The man has been a one-man gaffe machine."
Yes, he has, Jake. I'm beginning to think Obama is dumber than Bush....
Posted by: Foodforthought | May 26, 2008 10:09:47 AM
When Hillary says something that is not "politically correct", it is front page news on every newspaper, every website and every TV news hour. And it STAYS front page news for 2-3 days. When Obama gaffes, it is rarely even reported, and usually gets a third page comment somewhere behind the local obituaries. Fair? When the media's darling falls flat on his face, where are they going to print that? On the back page?
Posted by: JRS | May 26, 2008 9:50:41 AM
Please take a look at the articles below. This is incredibly important. If you read nothing else this week, read these.
Investigative journalist Evelyn Pringle set out to research Barack Obama's legislative history, and review the accomplishments which led to his rise. What she unexpectedly discovered became the series of articles linked below. They are a must-read for anyone involved in the political process of the United States, and anyone who cares about the future of our country.
Evelyn Pringle is not associated with any political campaign. Before deciding to research Obama's history, she did lean toward Hillary Clinton for her vote, but intended to support Obama if he won the nomination.
Evelyn Pringle Series
Barack Obama - The Wizard of Oz
Search google, oped news
It took a while but I'm hoping it's worth the work. If only a few read the articles and can get through the complexity, it may make a difference. If this story doesn't get out there now, it certainly will if he wins the nomination..the Republicans will see to it.
Posted by: Linda Derr | May 26, 2008 9:30:11 AM
>>>>"I'm a Hillary supporter... but I'll vote for McCain if Barack wins" ask yourself what that *really* means
That means the elite Washington establishment ran a newbie senator for president for the purpose of preventing a Hillary presidency.
The establishment never like those hicks - Carter and Clinton - because those Dem presidents didn't bow down to them and attend their fancy dinner parties where the deals are cut before the votes are cast in Congress.
No Dem candidate would be allowed to repeatedly trash a former Democratic administration WITHOUT the blessing of the Washington Establishment.
After Obama has trashed the Clinton administration for over a year - "brushed Hillary off" the bottom of his shoe while laughing along with the crowds - engaged in race-baiting to falsely accused the Clintons of racism - who will he lean on to help him win in Nov?
The Clintons - who are supposed to deliver the White vote after Obama has called Democrats not voting for him - racists.
Obama's brand of "new politics" includes character assassination and race-baiting to distract from his Empty Suit.
Obama is too immature to be president!
Yes - we'll vote for McCain.
Posted by: JoseyJ | May 26, 2008 9:07:15 AM
I am convinced that the fanatical adoration of Obama will fade quickly after a few unpopular decisions as president.
He won't be able to blame his campaign or racist or Hillary for his mistakes.
As we saw with Bush, the politians trying to prop him up still couldn't
make up for Bush's lack of experience or hide the fact that he was unqualified to be president.
The DNC backed by billionaires,chose Obama, banking on his color and charm to win people over. Hillary wouldn't bow down to them.
And now we are stuck with Obama or have to cross parties to get an experienced, qualified president.
Hillary or McCain 08
Posted by: cindy in nc | May 26, 2008 8:50:21 AM
obama is weak on a lot of the issues concering our country.
I can remember him saying when i am president we will deal with a of that
"stuff"
he said it first and he said it best
"he is not ready to be president"
"needs more experience"
he should have stayed with that.
Posted by: worldcitizen | May 26, 2008 8:40:46 AM
He is incredibly weak on Latin American foreign policy!
Obama's use of the word "ferment" and "fermenting" is very stange (and wrong) as well. The word he needs to have used is "foment" or "fomenting".
You don't "ferment" terrorism or anti-American sentiment. The correct word is "foment". It means to promote the growth of or incite.
And, let's not forget that in March, when the Colombians captured two FARC terrorist laptop computers at a terrorist camp, they found evidence that FARC was talking to "gringos" about Obama. The FARC Terrorists were hoping and expecting that Barack Obama would win the US elections in November because he was most aligned with the Colombian Marxist group.
This is the exact quote translated into English:
"The gringos will ask for an appointment with the minister to solicit him to communicate to us his interest in discussing these topics. They say that the new president of their country will be Obama and that they are interested in your compatriots. Obama will not support "Plan Colombia" nor will he sign the TLC (Colombian Free Trade agreement). Here we responded that we are interested in relations with all governments in equality of conditions and that in the case of the US it is required a public pronouncement expressing their interest in talking with the FARC given their eternal war against us."
Posted by: Foodforthought | May 26, 2008 8:33:10 AM
Whatever the case with gaffes etc, it's pretty clear that many of the anti-Obama crowd simply just can't help themselves from launching ad homenim attacks in ways that don't even relate to substantive criticisms about him.
Everytime you read something along the lines of "I'm a Hillary supporter... but I'll vote for McCain if Barack wins" ask yourself what that *really* means - since they're nearly the same ideologically and Hillary says she'll ultimately support him he he becomes the nominee.
Posted by: Chris | May 26, 2008 8:23:46 AM
He doesn't need to attack Hillary because his media, camp will help him to do it.
He comes out as a hero.
Posted by: catleya | May 26, 2008 12:36:31 AM
That is exactly right, catleya! The press and pundits keeps talking about Obama "taking the high road" throughout this campaign. BS! His surrogates and 24/7 media fan club do all the dirty work. He never gets the blame, even though it belongs right on him and his campaign. I have to say that Obama Axelrod sure knows how to run an "old politics" campaign. Sorry to upset all you folks thinking that Obama is some kind of "new politician".
Posted by: cappamore | May 26, 2008 2:23:13 AM
He doesn't need to attack Hillary because his media, camp will help him to do it.
He comes out as a hero.
Posted by: catleya | May 26, 2008 12:36:31 AM
"What I really meant was......", Oh no, are we in for another speech??
Posted by: rosietheriveter | May 26, 2008 12:31:33 AM
He is starting losing his bearing??
Becareful, when he becomes president if he order to do something.
Oh,,no,,that's not what I meant.
Oh,,it's too late Mr president,we already ordered to do it.
????
Posted by: catleya | May 26, 2008 12:26:37 AM
Can someone please tell me again, Barack is running for POTUS because.......?
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | May 25, 2008 11:19:14 PM
I think the missus writes his speeches and is the brains behind the campaign. He is far too stupid to speak without a teleprompter and far too stupid to be the POTUS.
Posted by: rosaleen | May 25, 2008 11:18:20 PM
Thank you Jay for being a journalist and not following the faux/reportage of the CNN/NBC ObamaMessiah cult.
This man is Kerrylight, and other than having written two narcissitic auto-bios,being a great stump speaker and some basketball skills, he is not Presidential material.
Posted by: BigBen | May 25, 2008 11:17:37 PM
Thanks to the person passing on the latest Gallop Poll info. This is the answer to the question as to why does she stay in the race. At this point I wish Hillary would run as an Independent.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | May 25, 2008 11:09:22 PM
In response to some of the posts above, it is precisely because I am an American first and then a democrat that I will vote for Sen. McCain if Sen. Clinton is not the democratic nominee. I am more concerned about the future of our nation than the future of the democratic party and with Sen. Obama as head of our government I think we will be in deep, deep trouble. I think he needs to get more legislative experience at the national level and become more involved in international politics and policies, then maybe I will be ready to support him, but not now, not this time.
Posted by: Don | May 25, 2008 11:02:15 PM
"If" Venezuela "is trying to ferment terrorist activities in other borders"? Just one day before Obama had asserted that Chavez was supporting FARC in Colombia.
Fermenting terrorism? Now that's rotten.
Posted by: js | May 25, 2008 10:57:42 PM
Jake, you are a good man. However the story comes, you make sure it's the STORY. How refreshing. Bravo zulu.
Posted by: tree hugging sister | May 25, 2008 10:02:15 PM
'But "if we are going to isolate the Venezuelans, it may be that we have to engage in a full-on diplomatic strategy with them," the adviser says.'
Paging Mr. Orwell...
Posted by: MnZ | May 25, 2008 9:45:23 PM
Read the comment from the pro-freedom woman from Venezuala: These are the people we need VOTING Chavez OUT of power.
8 years of isolation and antagonism have only made Chavez stronger in his native Venezuela and stoked anti-American sentiment. Obviously we shouldn't meet with Chavez if it means compromising our position, but if it means embarrassing him or ridding him of excuses, then fine - whatever works. The GWB strategy of refusing any kind of engagement with unlikable countries just doesn't work.
Posted by: Mary Ellen | May 25, 2008 9:42:00 PM
Responding to hostile countries is complicated. We already tried invading and bombing them, and it didn't work that great. We certainly can't afford to do it again, or our inflation will go through the roof, and everyone can say goodbye to health care and social security.
(Do you know why gas prices are so high? It's because the $ is so weak... not because of biofuels, or the Chinese, or oil companies. Nobody wants to tell us that though because they are afraid we will freak out.)
The point is that responding to foreign threats requires a range of responses - diplomacy is a strategy just like any other. The psychotic "Invade Them All" attitude is not going to fly anymore.
Posted by: clnl2134 | May 25, 2008 9:28:22 PM
Funny how people are jumping over every slight misspeech the democratic candidates make, while completely ignoring the mistakes of John McCain - saying al-Qaeda was trained in Iran (it's not - they're Sunni, not Shiite), mixing up Moqtada al-Sadr and PM Maliki, and calling Purim the Jewish version of Halloween. For someone who's expertise is foreign policy, these are pretty absurd mistakes.
Posted by: Nate | May 25, 2008 9:18:17 PM
just read today' gallup poll,
are the dem bigwigs foolish or what.
I guess their only goal was to beat sen. clinton.
and not win the white house.
i will not align myself with such a group any more.
sen. clinton is the only candidate to put this country back on the right track.
Posted by: worldcitizen | May 25, 2008 9:11:40 PM
I kept womdering why the DNC and the media were clamoring for Hillary to get out of the race since before Ohio, accusing her of destroying the "Democratic" party, and acting like the nominating process was over.
Well, it's obvious to me now, and to hundreds of thousands like me, that they wanted to get her out so they could hide Obama away behind his teleprompters and prepared speeches, so America wouldn't find out how inexperienced he is, how totally unprepared to face the rigors of the office of leader of the free world.
His debate performance in Philadelphia was ghastly, so of course his answer was to never debate Senator Clinton again. The reasons are so obvious thateven the media can no longer hide his lack of foreign policy experience. If it hasn't been written in a talking points memo by Axelrod, he has no clue what to say.
Come on, America, wake up and read the Gallup out today. Hillary Clinton beats McCain, McCain beats Obama. Send him back to Illinois to get some experience in something other than covering himself for his next political run. He is very simply unelectable.
Posted by: Grammy Barb | May 25, 2008 8:38:43 PM
Given John McCain it seems foolish to belittle Obama in a mistake or two. Old Johnnie Boy makes the big ones.
Posted by: david still | May 25, 2008 8:15:44 PM
I also have to say that if Obama thinks you can ferment a revolution, he will probably soon start talking about loosing the war. SURELY for a politician words have meaning? This is not a slip or a gaffe or a metaphor. He really thinks the word is ferment. Suddenly, he doesn't look quite so elite.
Posted by: Joe | May 25, 2008 8:03:38 PM
Senator Obama seems to come up with ten new lies or gaffes a day. Is not that a record one can be proud of?
Obama has ruined the Democratic Party with his far left radical extremist agenda. He will be stomped in November by McCain.
Posted by: Mary | May 25, 2008 7:41:12 PM
for a man who is making his reputation on being such a smooth, articulate speaker (I'm no George Bush!) he certainly should NOT be given the benefit of the doubt that he is being misunderstood.
No, his comments are clearly contradictatory and should reflect on his inability to make a clear, concise judgment on the facts.
Posted by: swift boater | May 25, 2008 7:40:15 PM
Obama should be ashamed of himself. It is Memorial Day Weekend and in the Commencement speech Obama gave in Connecticut, I did not hear one word of thanks by Obama for the service of the United States Veterans and those lost fighting for our freedom. I fear for our Nation if a man such as Obama is elected to the highest office of our land. A man who is so ungrateful for the service and lives given by our brave armed service men and women who keep the peace and protect us all here at home.
Posted by: Sally | May 25, 2008 7:38:30 PM
jt lastow,
It is more than just a bunch of gaffes, There is no there there with Obama see below:
Experience:
Obama's accomplishments in the state Senate for 6 years was zero. Obama spent his time getting into the good graces of people like Rezko and Ayres in order to financially benefit his future in politics. When Obama asked Emil Jones to make him a federal Senator than Obama started to show some accomplishments. However, those accomplishments included Emil Jones, President of the Illinois state Senate, appointing Obama the head of every piece of high-profile legislation in sight to pad his resume. Jones pushed aside all the senior state senators who had been working on bills for years and gave the credit to Obama by naming Obama as sponsor. Bottom line after six years of doing nothing in the Obama's 7th and final year as a state Senator, his record went from zero accomplishments to being falsely credited for the sponsorship of 26 passed bills. None of which Obama worked on or fought for!
This is what Obama is doing in the US Senate as well, look at his record, it is zero. Except of course, when it comes to getting earmarks for his wife's employer passed for the University of Chicago Hospitals, where Michelle Obama was vice president of community affairs. Michelle had already benefited ... Senate to $316,962 in 2005 just after he took office.
Obama's associations:
Here's a quick run-down of some of Barack Obama's questionable and disturbing associations:
* Rabidly anti-Israel Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi. The Obamas were regular dinner guests at Khalidi's Hyde Park home for years.
* Terrorist sympathizer Ali Abunimah, who runs the viciously anti-Israel web site Electronic Intifada.
* Unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
* Reverend Jeremiah Wright. What more needs to be said?
* Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Samantha Power -- fired after calling Hillary Clinton a "monster."
* Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Robert Malley -- fired when it was revealed he has been holding talks with Hamas.
* Hatem El-Hady, former official of the Hamas-linked charity Kindhearts, closed by the Justice Department. El-Hady's web page--with Michelle Obama listed as an opt-in "friend"--suddenly vanished from the Obama campaign site with no explanation, after being exposed by LGF and others.
* Tony Rezko -- a Chicago fixer currently in a whole lot of legal trouble.
*Raila Odinga, who recently ran for president in Kenya, promising to impose Sharia law if elected.
Posted by: Harry | May 25, 2008 7:31:39 PM
Don't give him a pass on his language gaffe! How many times did he talk about "fermenting" terrorist activity? The word is "foment," not ferment.
Posted by: Alec Rawls | May 25, 2008 7:27:00 PM
Amazing, could someone please please mention one presidential candidate who has not made a host of gaffes. The pettiness of the comments demonstrates to me that few really care about the issue but are rather in a childish game of "na-na-na, gotcha." Anyone can write a column on the stupid things that both Clinton and McCain have said.
I did not start off an Obama fan, and I probably am not one now. However, the man is smart. He has built a campaign which has overthrown the presumptive democratic nominee. He inspires people.
I find that there is more positive about Obama than there is about Clinton, so the choice is clear to me. I want to move forward.
I seem to remember a campaign some cycles back, about whether we are better off now than we were before. Who can claim that we are better off now than we were before the last 8 years?
Unfortunately, both Clinton and McCain have failed to inspire and to lead. Obama may yet rise to the occassion, but that hope is preferable to both Clinton and McCain who have histories showing that they cannot.
Posted by: jt lastow | May 25, 2008 6:27:39 PM
i wonder how soon the excuses for him will start. with bush it was as soon as he won the nomination. and then we started getting statements such as,
"well he will have a good smart team of people around him,and he does not like public speaking but he is a good negotiator"
what excuses will be given for obama.
he is under qualified.
he will not be POTUS 2008
Posted by: worldcitizen | May 25, 2008 6:20:58 PM
Obama always seems confused about where he is, how many States there are, what his Pastor said, when he said it and whether Obama heard it or not, what the definition of precondition is or if he really meant what he said about preconditions, whether he is for or against President Bush's foreign policy, etc. etc. etc
Posted by: Harry | May 25, 2008 6:12:03 PM
"The Obama campaign says there's nothing unusual about proposing the isolation of a country at the same time a President talks about meeting with its country's leader. (The Obama campaign cites how the U.S. is talking to North Korea via the Six-Party talks as an example."
Am I the only one who noticed that Team Obama is now pointing to Bush administration policy as an example of what they will do on foreign affairs?
Posted by: Mars vs Hollywood | May 25, 2008 6:07:56 PM
Clinton supporters do not think Obama is qualified. A large segment of moderate and conservative Democratic voters will vote for McCain or another candidate. June is almost here and Obama should already have convinced the Democratic voters that he is the nominee. Even with most of the press helping him, he failed. He keeps on losing primaries. Puerto Rico is going to be won by Clinton. Hispanic voters will reject him for all the world to see. If Florida and Michigan are not counted as people voted, Obama will be seen as an usurper. Clinton has a broad coalition of working class, women, elderly, hispanic,and Catholics. If the DNC does not nominate Clinton, the Democrats will lose the general election.
Posted by: Mark S. | May 25, 2008 5:59:26 PM
So he would meet with any foreign leader "if" certain pre-conditions are met. Sounds completely reasonable to me.
Now he has to get out his Thesaurus and look up "pre-conditions" since he can't say that.
Posted by: Barb in MN | May 25, 2008 5:50:40 PM
OBAMA SAID HE ACCEPTED AN APOLOGY FROM CLINTON FOR REFERENCING BOBBY KENNEDY
MCAULIFF SAID, " WHAT APOLOGY? HILLARY NEVER APOLOGIZED TO OBAMA. OBAMA'S LAST NAME IS NEITHER KENNEDY NOR "ASSASSINATION?"
HA HA HA
NOBODY MENTIONED THE FOOLS NAME, NOBODY APOLOGIZED HE HE HE
OBAMA THE FAKE!
Posted by: TJ | May 25, 2008 5:47:17 PM
Genna,
there is no dead thing from Clinton to Obama, it's the misunderstanding caused by the fact that her statement was not reported thoroughly, out of context and largely spread by the internet media and the rest we know.
If she had meant harm to him, believe me, she would not be given a free ride for that.
It's annoying to see, how quick the responses are and how negative they are all the time, and in the end it a disservice to him.
It's fatigue to Reason. I seriously think that many people need psycho therapy when they throw out so much trash and hate.
This blog is pretty mild compared to the 1670 or so comments posted in the NY Time blog, with insane language and out of mind suggestions.
I find BO very polarizing, while his supporters blame such thing on Clinton.
Well they alienate lots of people.
Posted by: jane | May 25, 2008 5:39:46 PM
Didn't Obama earn a degree in political science, with a specialty in international relations, at Columbia? I ask because his working knowledge of international affairs and, in particular, America's role in such seems nothing short of abysmal.
Was it at Columbia that he learned all this walk as softly as possible carrying no stick foreign policy claptrap? Unfortunately for the candidate, if one is determined to make such a policy appear reasonable, desirable even, one is compelled to ignore America's foreign policy history and the lessons it teaches.
It must be difficult for a man as intelligent and learned as Barack Obama to appear so dense, unread and clueless on the campaign trail simply to garner support from the America last types he needs for the nomination. That's the charitable reading. The less charitable is that he's just as patently dumb about such things as they to whom he panders.
Posted by: SukieTawdry | May 25, 2008 5:39:16 PM
Another day, another gaffe. Another over hyped moment in an over hyped nomination campaign.
Obama will lose because when it gets right down to it, the American voters will step back and revolt at the idea of having another amateur at the helm. It is too obvious that once off teleprompter, he is lost. He will get the nomination but he is far too damaged at this point to unify the party or beat McCain.
Charisma only keeps suceeding if you are Charisma Carpenter. Even then, it's all bit parts.
Posted by: len | May 25, 2008 5:37:49 PM
Obama says in the first year of his Presidency he will go to Iran, North Korea,Venezuela, and Cuba to talk with their leaders “without any preconditions”.Well Obama will need to take a teleprompter with him as the only time Obama makes an impression with his audience is when he speaks in front of a couple of teleprompters. Without the telepromters in front of him, Obama has been making a number of gaffes when he talks off the cuff. I can see it nowIn Iran when Obama speaks to Ahmedinajad I can just hear Obama say “ Hey you folks in Iran cling to your guns and god too much. If you would just follow my lead, I will take you to the promise land where there is hope and change and you can give up your god and guns and worship the new Allah, me. All you have to do is turn over your money, schools and churches to me and my buddies and we will show you the way. Rezco can handle the money. Bill Ayers can take over your schools, Rev. Wright can become one of your top Imams and I'll be theTwelfth Imam that you believe is coming to save the world.In North Korea when Obama speaks to Prime Minister: Kim Yong-Il I can just hear Obama say: Hey Supreme Ruler.... you folks in North Korea can't keep driving all those SUVs, eat all that food and keep your thermometers at 72 degrees, What do you think the rest of the world will think of you. I won't stand for it that is not leadership.” Prime Minister: Kim Yong-Il tells Obama he is not in the USA and none of his people have SUVs or central air and are starving to death. Obama says. “Oh I forgot, the type of system you have in North Korea is the type of system I am trying to sell to the American people calling it “change we can believe in“. I commend you Prime Minister: Kim Yong-Il for already imposing such a system on your people. Good job keep up the good work.In Venezuela, when Obama speaks to President Hugo Chavez Obama will say “ Glad to be in Colombia President Chavez, I want to commend you for the action you took to quell the terrorism that was being wrecked upon your Nation by the FARC terrorists” President Chavez stops Obama before he can go any further as says “ Your geography is little off, you are in Venezuela, not Colombia and I was supporting the FARC terrorists.” Obama says “Oh You may not be aware of it but some of my biggest supporters are terrorists groups like the FARC‘s. Pay no attention to what I just said. As my Pastor Rev. Wright said about me .I'm just a typical politician who will say what ever it takes to win the hearts of the people including leaders of Nations I do not really support, like Colombia.In Cuba when Obama speaks to Raul Castro, I can hear Obama saying “It is such a tragedy that 10,000 people were killed in Cuba by the tsunami that hit your Nation last year.“Raul Castro interrupts Obama and says, “I think you may be talking about Burma, not Cuba, we have not had any hurricanes recently but thanks anyway.” Obama says “Oh it is obvious I don't know exactly what’s going on in your country Now, having said that, I promise you I'll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport In the mean just between you and me I was sitting in the pews of the Trinity church when Rev. Wright preached “God D####America so I hope you know that deep in my heart I feel the same way about America you do.”
Posted by: Harry | May 25, 2008 5:34:21 PM
Was the male foreign adviser to Obama unwilling to put his name on the record when giving a rebuttal?
When people argue above-it-all / new politics, try being forthright rather than contradictory and anonymous. That’s if they’re interested in reaching bitter cynical haters who don't believe in xmas.
Anyway, personal wishes aside. Irony Alert. When Obama and his surrogates attempt to restructure his foreign policy statements, they almost always attempt to moor their campaign up to the more centralist, pragmatic line of Hillary Clinton’s policy.
Very strange. It's like what Obama prattles on the stump is the true Obama, and what is said -after the fact- is the reworking by his policy advisers as they madly attempt to 1)win over the centralist 2)clarify their form of American Exceptionalism 3)show they aren't completely naive. But in the process, their candidate sure comes off that way...
...So, this brings me back to my first question: Who is the guy behind the curtain for Obama?
Posted by: rob | May 25, 2008 5:33:13 PM
Seems pretty obvious to me that Obama's just taking the opportunity the press is giving him to be the better man while they attack Hillary as a coincidental surrogate. Smart move from a smart campaign, if you ask me.
Posted by: Erik R | May 25, 2008 5:24:12 PM
I heard a reporter say today that Obama needs to look like he's opening a door to Clinton's supporters by saying that she will have a role in an Obama administration. Then the journalist laughed and said he had it from high up in Obama's campaign that it was just a ploy to make nice with her supporters until the day after the election. This follow the party, no matter what, ends this election cycle. There has to be a better way for this great country to tap talent that is truly worthy. If Hillary's not in it somehow, I'm not in it either.
Posted by: LonghornMama | May 25, 2008 5:23:40 PM
As a few posters above have stated, there is a huge difference between misspeaking, and demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge regarding a subject.
With FARC and Chavez, Obama clearly should have done what he did with Hanford--just admit that he didn't know what the heck he was talking about.
Hanford is the most toxic nuclear waste site in the US. Obama voted on a bill in 2005 regarding its clean up.
I don't expect Obama to remember the details of every bill that he signs, but come on--Hanford has serious environmental and national security implications.
Obama should just be honest.
Even if that means that he just shrugs instead of pontificating and constantly re-defining what he "meant" on topics that are way beyond his grasp.
Posted by: marisa | May 25, 2008 5:15:49 PM
Obama opens mouth, inserts foot, gets caught in gaffes, restates via double-speak that you are wrong that he is wrong/confused/in error, goes into blame it on McCain or Bush or Clinton mode, tells people catching his gaffes they are just a distratction from the larger issue that he must be elected in order to make the change we have all been waiting for.
I think I will wait a little longer.
Can we start the Democratic primaries over with new candidates???
Posted by: Sally J. | May 25, 2008 5:05:47 PM
Looks like BHO complete FUBARed that entire FARC thing.
First off, I will admit my ignorance.
Chavez, FARC and Venezuela/Columbia fit together how?
Second, shouldn't OBAMA know what is what when it comes time to deal with them --- isn't it a bit like not knowing what the difference among Sunni and Shia and al Queda?
Third, when it comes to issues that matter...I'd say that death thing from Clinton to Obama still pisses me off EVEN when I think Obama should know what he is talking about from one day to the next.
Posted by: Genna | May 25, 2008 4:55:26 PM
hahahhaha...
obama....oh my god...hahahaha
obama you are a pathetic sad loser.....
what a joke this guy is......
Posted by: Mr.John | May 25, 2008 4:55:00 PM
But, there is something extra to this. FARC is in this story, and I remember an article online with photos of murdered FARC terrorists who were found with a briefcase and Hugo Chavez papers, and Barack Obama was mentioned in the papers. The articles can be googled.
I just thought it was interesting that one of Obama's "gaffes" concerned supporting FARC. An ooops? Maybe not. Obama seems clueless about foreign policy and foreign affairs--or is he?
--BTW, Bill Ayers loves Hugo Chavez and regularly visits Venezuela to meet with him. Also, Code Pink Jodie Evans (an Obama supporter and bundler) supports Chavez and there are photos with Evans and Chavez online.
Posted by: John | May 25, 2008 4:46:41 PM
How is the pen and the Mainstream Media stooping so low to a smearing machine? Please report the facts, let's decide for ourselves... Don't shape our views and opinions...