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Bill to Hill:

Put on your old gray bonnet
With the blue ribbon on it
While I hitch ol' Ickes to the shay..

Thro' the fields of clover
We'll ride up to Dover
It's Obama's coronation day.

@kate:

Clinton 17,410,209
Obama 17,234,194

Try again after Puerto Rico votes.

The math is not in your favor.

Jake Tapper Please as your mission for today would you lock down both Bill and Hillary Clinton on 3 things ?

They keep saying they are tring to stop you from having your vote so.

1. Who is it that its telling states there votes dont count ?

2. Who is trying to hide the "truth that hillary is really winning"(LOL)

3. Do they understand that to win the GE you first have to win in the nomination contest ?

BMR, Pittsburgh PA,

Right on ! The Prosecutor, Assistant U.S. Attorney Reid J. Schar has already said:

"There is no evidence or accusation of any wrongdoing on the part of Obama"

Martin:

Please, please, PLEASE, find something other than Rezko.

That trial is OVER. It's been in the jury's hands for almost two weeks now.

As for Obama? Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Of course, if you'd been listening to the prosecution, you'd have realized that, as Obama was never the target of their investigation, was never mentioned by the prosecution, and was never even identified as a possible witness.

Sorry. You'll have to do better. Try facts next time.

@len:

You say, "Hillary is winning in the popular vote and in the electoral math."

This is true if - and ONLY if - you throw out caucus states, and count FL/MI exactly as voted (meaning zero votes for Obama in MI). Oh, and how do you propose counting votes from an ILLEGAL primary? MI's January primary was ruled unconstitutional.

As for the electoral math - you're trying to use projections of November results to make this claim. It has NOTHING to do with the results of the primary. Whine about the delegate apportionment all you like - but Bill Clinton won two nominations under the very same system. Hillary Clinton's horrendous lack of preparation and organization is entirely her own fault.

Quit whining about "alledged" (that's "a-l-l-e-g-e-d", by the way) delegate counts. Your candidate trails in pledged delegates, superdelegates, contests won, and every popular-vote scenario except the one that disenfranchises caucus states that followed DNC rules and fully recognizes two states that violated DNC rules. Chew on THAT.

len,
PR dont get to vote in the GE thats a fact!

"True. No one has claimed otherwise. You claim Obama is winning the popular vote.That's false. Hillary is winning in the popular vote and in the electoral math."

Sorry your wrong:

Popular Vote Total

16,685,941 49.1% 16,227,514 47.7% Obama +458,427 +1.4%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,020,025 49.1% 16,451,376 47.5% Obama +568,649 +1.6%

Popular Vote (w/FL) 17,262,155 48.3% 17,098,500 47.8% Obama +163,655 +0.5%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,596,239 48.3% 17,322,362 47.6% Obama +273,877 +0.7%

Contest so far :

Obama leads Clinton 33 primaries to 18

Obama has 1974 with 314.5 super Ds

Hillary has 1782 with 282.5 super Ds

Without super delegates:

Obama has 1660 delegates

Clinton has 1460 delegates.

"Puerto Rico doesn't count in the electoral but in the popular vote for this nomination, they do indeed count."

Thats what I said:

Beacuse PR has 55 Delegates...and the popular vote there could make Hillary, really be the leader in the popular vote even though that dosent mean a thing! Because as you said they cant vote in the GE.

Electoral math:

The electoral math does not mean anything if dont win the nomination contest and Obama only need 48 more delegates to do that.. However as I wrote earlier One poll out of Seven doesnt make a claim true.. sure its not a straight up lie but it really isnt the truth either:

REAL POLITICS POLL OF ALL POLLS May 25 08:

National Obama +2.8 Clinton +1.5

Pennsylvania Obama +5.8 Clinton +11.7

Ohio Obama +1.3 Clinton +8.3

Wisconsin Obama +1.6 McCain +3.4

Virginia McCain +1.3 McCain +10.4

Florida McCain +8.3 Clinton +3.0

California Obama +11.5 Clinton +11.3

While both Hillay and Obama beat john McBush Obama is winning by more !!!

"Quit distorting facts. You're running scared because despite the alledged delegate count, by any count that matters in November, he is losing."

Ive just provided you with the information that proves otherwise so maybe you need to quit being so rude and do some actual research and not accuse people of running scared or distorting facts when in fact you are the person in the wrong. Just because Bill Clinton says something is true doesnt make it so ! You should already know that!

"You are giving the White House back to the Republicans by forcing an unelectable candidate down the throats of the party."

The only person trying to force anyone down anyones throats is you the people have spoken 33-18 the goal was clear:

"It doesnt matter how many states you have won, we both need to get to need 2025 to win the nomination."-Hillary Clinton 2-9-08

And Obama will reach that goal by or on June 3rd. Obama is 100% electable and will be the 44th President of the United States of America.

@kate:

"PR dont get to vote in the GE thats a fact!"

True. No one has claimed otherwise. You claim Obama is winning the popular vote. That's false. Hillary is winning in the popular vote and in the electoral math. Puerto Rico doesn't count in the electoral but in the popular vote for this nomination, they do indeed count.

Quit distorting facts. You're running scared because despite the alledged delegate count, by any count that matters in November, he is losing. You are giving the White House back to the Republicans by forcing an unelectable candidate down the throats of the party.

Senator Obama will go down this week. Tony Rezko is talking.

Average Joe,
You are right. Let the people vote. And since this nominee race has been so controversed, let's take it to the convention and examine carefully how many republicans crossed the line to vote for BO in the caucuses, and how many for Hillary in the primaries.
I believe there are more voting for BO than for Hillary. Then the superdelages can make up their mind.

josgirl,

Its boring all your doing is looking for someone to blame for Clintons lose when the truth is she lost because she had dumb people working for her and didnt understand what America was looking for.. She was beat fairly she put up a tough fight but it will be done on june 3rd!

Have a good night !

If you read my earlier posts, the point was Republicans in early states were voting for Obama, Texas, Wisconsin included.

Average Joe,

Posting the same thing again and again is boring obama will be the niminee have a good night !

Convention 101 (for the obama falk who've had to much media bosk):

Pledged delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the Convention or on the first ballot.

A pledged delegate goes to the Convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the Convention, while it is assumed that delegates will cast their votes for the candidate they are publicly pledged to,

it is not required.

Under the Delegate Selection Rules, a delegate is asked to “in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.” This provision is designed
in part to make the Convention a
deliberative body.
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let people VOTE,
let delegates VOTE,
let democracy run its course,

Let's go to the Convention and
Let the best win!!

Average Joe

Move the goal post again and again!

regardless;
He is 48 delegates shy of the nomination!

In February 2008, Limbaugh announced "Operation Chaos", a political call to action with the initial plan to have voters of the Republican Party temporarily cross over to vote in the Democratic primary and vote for Hillary Clinton, who at the time was in the midst of losing 11 straight primary contests to Barack Obama.

Feb 9 Wisconsin
March 4th Texas

Convention 101 (for the obama falk who've had to much media bosk):

Pledged delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the Convention or on the first ballot.

A pledged delegate goes to the Convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the Convention, while it is assumed that delegates will cast their votes for the candidate they are publicly pledged to,

it is not required.

Under the Delegate Selection Rules, a delegate is asked to “in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.” This provision is designed
in part to make the Convention a
deliberative body.
--
let people VOTE,
let delegates VOTE,
let democracy run its course,

Let's go to the Convention and
Let the best win!!

Kate, Wisconsin, Texas, etc. were
BEFORE Limbaugh called for "Operation Chaos."
and
Obama hasn't won the nomination, no matter how many times you say it.

Average Joe,

No one is trying to stop everyone from voting! Why do you keep saying that ?

After everyone has voted Obama will be the winner on June 4!

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here you go again. i was going to think you got some sort of problem but i can see now what your problem is...you and your oabama folk don't like it when people VOTE, do you.

you and your obama fakes wold like to end it when you want to end it. i understand that.
but you've got a BIG problem.
it doesn't end until ALL VOTES (including the DELEGATES VOTES) are in and counted!

voting doesn't stop on June 4th - you wish it did.. but it does't :))

let people VOTE,
let delegates VOTE,
let democracy run its course,

Let's go to the Convention and
Let the best win!!

Average Joe,

No one is trying to stop everyone from voting! Why do you keep saying that ?

After everyone has voted Obama will be the winner on June 4!

you guys keep trying to Blame Obama when the people have voted and he has won 33-18 contests

If the polls are right it wil be 35-19

Average Joe,

THE WEAKEST CANDIDATE ?

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all riht then, let us find out.
let people VOTE,
let delegates VOTE,
let democracy run its course,

Let's go to the Convention and
Let the best win!!

josgirl,

You still looking for reasons to claim Obama didnt win ?

The Obamacans actualy intend on voting for him in the GE. Vist Obama's web site they are all there you can chat with them if you want and find out who they are!

Hillary had republican help too,
Look up Operation Chaos !!! Rush Linbar which the DNC gave Hillary a 2% Boost in Texas and Indiana and others!

She lost fair and square !

Even though polls show that Clinton would be a weaker candidate against McCain than would Obama, experts say Republicans, who have long expressed a visceral distaste for Bill and Hillary Clinton, want to prevent her from being on the ballot in November.

"The argument I've seen is, 'Let's get rid of Clinton once and for all,' " said Ralph Bordie, who conducts the IVR Poll in Texas.

Bordie's latest statewide poll released last week found that 15 percent of Texas Republicans who said they will support the GOP nominee in November plan nonetheless on voting for Obama next week.

In the Wisconsin primary, almost nine per cent of Obama's vote came from Republicans, according to exit polls. Other states that permitted Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary include Virginia, where almost seven per cent of Obama's support came from Republicans - and the Democrats dream of carrying Republican Virginia in the fall. In Missouri, almost six per cent of Obama's support came from Republicans. Missouri is a key swing state that has voted for the winner in every presidential election since 1904 except one.

Average Joe,

THE WEAKEST CANDIDATE ?

I thought you were for Hillary Clinton ?

One poll does not make that claim true!
6 out of the 7 most recent polls show Obama beating McBush by more !

Real Clear Politics !

Average Joe,

No one is affraid of anything its time to move on, its time for the party to unite after June third and we will.

We cant give any ground to the McBush camp if we truly want change in our government! If we want a government that has answers to our problems not blame and more blame.

DELEGATES SHOULD NOT PICK THE WEAKEST CANDIDATE _ THIS IS ABOUT WINNING THE GE!

and you know what, they will not pick obama!
and you know what:
you kids know it - that is exactly why you are trying to push and bully and post all this crap all over the place!
you know what the true is:
obama loses at the Convention!
because most democrats will wake up and smell the coffee and see who the stronger candidate is!

Convention 101:
more

All delegates – both pledged and unpledged – formally cast their votes at the Convention.

The votes of unpledged delegates cast at the Convention do count towards a candidate securing the nomination. In past nominating cycles, individual unpledged delegates have endorsed a specific presidential candidate. Regardless of such endorsement, unpledged delegates are able to cast their vote for any presidential candidate at the Convention.

They wont overturn the the winner of the process Barack Obama with the person who has so clear lost hillary Clinton whose words I just wrote to you will see to that!

Convention 101
even more..

Pledged delegates are not bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the Convention or on the first ballot. A pledged delegate goes to the Convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the Convention, while it is assumed that delegates will cast their votes for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required. Under the Delegate Selection Rules, a delegate is asked to “in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.” This provision is designed in part to make the Convention a deliberative body.

hombre,

Once Hillary has paid off her debts we will be united you may win over a few but this election is to important.. the majority off us will unite and set this country back on the right path..

Convention 101:
more

All delegates – both pledged and unpledged – formally cast their votes at the Convention.

The votes of unpledged delegates cast at the Convention do count towards a candidate securing the nomination. In past nominating cycles, individual unpledged delegates have endorsed a specific presidential candidate. Regardless of such endorsement, unpledged delegates are able to cast their vote for any presidential candidate at the Convention.

Average Joe,
Hillary said it herself;

"I intend to campaign hard through February. As you know, it's the DELEGATES who determine our nominee. I believe I will have the majority of pledged delegates by the end of the races in February"

-Hillary Clinton Dec '07

Obama has the pleadge delegate lead! by some 200.

"It doesnt matter how many states you have won, we both need to get to need 2025 to win the nomination."

Hillary Clinton 2-9-08

So you dont agree with Hillary Clinton ?

because we are democrats we can actually discuss these things.. as we should.. got a problem with that?

Golly, you democrats united against
Bush and the pubs sound eerily fractured
and tentative about which of your
nominees will win out in your racial
and gender polarized universe, will
limp into November to be trounced by
a simple man of courage and character. A half a BILLION campaign dollars has assured you of exactly.......what? Bragging rites at the November funeral?

Average Joe,

No one is debating that joe but once Obama gets the 2,025 delegates needed he will be the nominee!

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obama has 1661 pledged delegates. how does he get to 2,025 (no Fl nor MI?)or to 2,210 (with Fl and MI) or to 2,118 (half of Fl and MI).

how does he get to that number?
superdelegates do NOT vote and do NOT pledge until the convention!!!

and what case will they have at the convention - that obama is a pretty boy who can talk? :))

len,

PR dont get to vote in the GE thats a fact!

I think they should become a state BUT they are NOT and they DONT vote in the GE!

Simply the facts!!!

I dont get what your huffing up about ?

"Beacuse PR has 55 Delegates...and the popular vote there could make Hillary really be the leader in the popular vote even though that dosent mean a thing! Because as you said they cant vote in the GE.."

No Kate. Dead wrong. They are Americans. What they vote for counts very much. Just keep saying Puerto Rico doesn't matter and then go there. You'll have a very different perspective. Puerto Rico matters a lot. They are very much part of the popular vote. They dig that too.

As to the popular vote: which part of democratic republic don't you get? The part where the people vote or the reason that the people vote rather than being ruled absolutely by elites they vote for?

Freedom and choice. Getcha some.

Average Joe,

No one is debating that joe but once Obama gets the 2,025 delegates needed he will be the nominee!

I intend to campaign hard through February. As you know, it's the DELEGATES who determine our nominee. I believe I will have the majority of pledged delegates by the end of the races in February"

-Hillary Clinton Dec '07

She was wrong... Obama has the majority of pledged delegates and states won and everything else Average Joe...

She put up a strong fight but the marority of the people have decided on Obama

Convention 101:

How Delegates Vote
All delegates – both pledged and unpledged – formally cast their votes at the Convention.

Voting occurs at the Convention in a number of different ways. The Convention Chair may call for a simple voice vote: “All in favor say ‘Aye.’ All opposed say ‘No.’” Votes may also be conducted by a roll call vote of the states, either by telephone or other electronic means. After each official roll call vote, each delegate’s vote is recorded on tally sheets that are then submitted by each state delegation to the Convention Secretary. No secret ballots are permitted at any stage of the Convention’s proceedings. No vote may be cast by proxy. An alternate may only replace and cast a vote on behalf of a pledged delegate.
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not one single vote has been cast by ANY delegate yet!

educate yourself you obama kids..
demconvention dot com

n reality, until very recently, Clinton was one of the leading senators supporting the war. Even after the U.S. forces invaded and occupied Iraq and confirmed that - contrary to Clinton's initial justification for the U.S. conquest - Iraq did not have "weapons of mass destruction," active WMD programs, offensive delivery systems, or ties to al-Qaeda as she and other supporters of the war had claimed, she defended her vote to authorize the invasion anyway. When Representative John Murtha (D-PA) made his first call for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq in November 2005, she denounced his effort, calling a withdrawal of U.S. forces "a big mistake." In 2006, when Senator John Kerry sponsored an amendment that would have required the redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq in order to advance a political solution to the growing sectarian strife, she voted against it.

It is impossible to imagine that these ties between the former and current EADS/Airbus lobbyists and McCain, the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee did not heavily factor into the decision to award the tanker deal to Airbus. Former Rep. Tom Loeffler actually was McCain's National Finance Chairman at the same time he was lobbying for EADS. If you think that in his lobbying efforts he didn't mention his association with McCain, you don't understand the way the lobbying game is played in Washington.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright with Bill Clinton at the White House 1998 event also attended by Hillary in which Clinton said he had "repented" from his Lewinsky dalliances.

Bill Clinton believed, in 1998 that Rev. Wright was a minister worthy enough to confide in. At his weakest moment, he sought his counsel.

The people have had there say:
Obama leads Clinton 33 primaries to 18
Three more to go:

If polls are right it will be :
Obama leads Clinton 35 primaries to 19

There is no trick she hasnt been robbed there is no back door trickery!

With FL and Michigan and caurcuse states counted Obama still lead popular vote by 100,000+

She may leed popular vote if PR goes to here big but they dont get to vote in GE..

Hillary will loose the nomination and Dean + Pelosi and their wooden puppet will win. It's pre-ordained. The ultras were looking for a pliable candidate and they found one.

Average Joe,

It will all be over on June 4 il meet you back here and we will see : )

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really? wow - you are so smart since you can see the future :))

so 17 million people count for nothing to you..
so the fact that hillary wins the popular vote, the electoral vote and that she has the experience needed to do the job, count for nothing to you.
i guess, nothing beats an old good nice speech huh..
i tell you what: YOU should hope that it doesn't!
i don't believe that it is up to hillary (certainly not up to carter or the media) at this point.
WE the 17 million voters will NOT let hillary quit even if she wanted to.

get ready for the CONVENTION!
the media has been trying to cut this process short. your obama boy would love to cut this process short..
it's not going to work!

this race will end at the CONVENTION - and NOT in the media.

LET PEOPLE & DELEGATES VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

STOP THE MEDIA FRAUD!

Obama is a leftist every bit as dangerous as a South American dictator.

Now that the "Clintons" are finished, it will be easy for Obama beat McCain in the Fall.

In fact it just became a whole lot easier, since Bob Barr joined the race this weekend as the Libertarian candidate. He is a STRONG Conservative candidate, and he should easily suck away at least 5-10% of the right wing Republicans from McCain in the General...

Hey McCain, can you say Nader?? Ha, ha!!

So all you die hard Clinton fans that want to vote for McCain, go ahead, because I don't think that really matters anymore....

President Obama in 2008!!!

Beacuse PR has 55 Delegates...and the popular vote there could make Hillary really be the leader in the popular vote even though that dosent mean a thing!
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But KATE, hasn't Hillary been saying for weeks now she leads in the popular vote already? Seems odd Puerto Rico could now make her leader. Was she perhaps LYING AGAIN? Oh yah, she does that.

"I intend to campaign hard through February. As you know, it's the DELEGATES who determine our nominee. I believe I will have the majority of pledged delegates by the end of the races in February"

-Hillary Clinton Dec '07

Reading Some of the Blogs,

Beacuse PR has 55 Delegates...and the popular vote there could make Hillary really be the leader in the popular vote even though that dosent mean a thing! Because as you said they cant vote in the GE..

Hillary is a centrist and moderate democrat. She can cross the line and vote support for some of the republican propositions.
The activists are rather left. They form the opposition voice against the politics of the republicans. The activists are usually more radical. Hillary health care plan is closer to a socialist approach, but her philosophy is more moderate in a general manner.
The leftist democrats blame the centrists for being the appeasers. How many of the democratic leaders are centrist, that I don't know. But it seems like there are some conflicts going on within the party, the left, the right, the centrist. I don't know much about the right. I don't know if there are democrats that form the right wing. Maybe not.

Can someone explain to me why Montana and South Dakota are suddenly not important in this primary election? Can someone explain to me why Puerto Rico is MORE important?

More distortion of Hillary's red states, small states, and caucus states don't count but a territory who can't even vote in the GE is going to determine the next President of the United States. It is THE most important election in the primary. Yeah right...as goes Puerto Rico...so goes the nation. I get it.

Kate...don't care, if not Hillary then McCain all the way. Me and millions of others.

Posted by: Better Get Lots of Money |
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As a potential President you need to get your facts straight. This has nothing to do with old war stories from dad or uncle Joe. There a lot of scars from that era in history so he should have got it right. Hillary caught flak for weeks about Bosnia and yes it was stupid to lie about it.

You can ignore the obvious if you want but this was (another) Obama lie! He's clearly the leader in the lying department. Clearly!
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SNIPER FIRE, SIR EDMUND HILLARY, NAFTA....you were saying?

Kate,
The way the DNC plays rough and unfair, I wouln't trust their opinion and information. I go to a lot of sites for all kinds of information that are different. That's how I make my own opinion. You have yours and I don't blame you.

Jane,

The DNC has information on their site that says that the republicans where voting for Hillary Clinton due to operation chaos they say its was not sucnificant and that at most it gave her a 2% boost.

regardless of that its clear Hillary is lossing fair and sqaure she has lost in states won 33-18... Hilary was let down by that stupid man she hired to run her campaign.. it no one elses fault!

Kate and bhrandon....Rush Limbaugh's chaos was proven fruitless, however, being a Republican and have voted for Hillary...I like her and McCain and would feel safer if either won. If you polled most Reps. and asked if they couldn't have McCain, who would they want....it would be Hillary. NEVER OBAMA...HE'S AS FAR LEFT AS WE'VE EVER SEEN A CANDIDATE.

A

not as far as i know, but we do have a very large family, and when you get to sixth cousins it becomes stupid to say

Posted by: bhrandon,
He was trying to outdo McCain in the military department. He referenced this because he wanted to prove that he had relatives in the military. If you are going to tell a story,especially one like this at least get the relative right and the basic facts of the story you are telling.

A,
Why are you telling me Obama lies. I know that!!

Linda...that's wright. The good rev. told Obama he will be coming after him IF he gets the White House AND he doesn't promote his Black Liberation Theology rhetoric. We will be paying triple what the taxpayers usually do for secret service for Obama IF he ever gets elected. Heck we're paying for all his secret now, which he's had earlier than any other candidate and double or more than any other....looks like a rock star posse to me.

J

i have a few uncles taht arent REALLY my uncle but they are still called uncles

in terms of aunts and uncles and great aunts and uncles and sixth cousins

you at times drop those extrenous bits because they are just stupid

i dont see how not saying MY GREAT UNCLE
or my SIXTH COUSIN TWICE REMOVED

has any bearing on anything

i refer to my uncles as my uncles, because that is how i know them

shiite sunni???

it is well known iran is training al queda operatives and sending them into iraq

oh wait....

mccain 08!

Obama knows nothing about the German concentration camps and don't even know who his uncle is. Why would he lie like this?

J

You can ignore the obvious if you want but this was (another) Obama lie! He's clearly the leader in the lying department. Clearly!

In other words Obama lied about the story.

Sen. Obama made an interesting gaff yesterday. He stated the following: "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

Or maybe...??

Jane,
Rush Limbar had operation chaos and had Republicans vote for Hillary Clinton!

Jane, I think you and those who are disgruntled with the system should work to change it after this election. I've got no problem with that. I'm not real fond of the electoral college myself. But what I actually experienced is the opposite of what you read, so that is reality for me. The caucus was a sweet moment for our neighborhood, and we all felt proud to be a part of it.

and even if you want to split hairs about this then according to hillary we shouldnt really care about obamas comment, and tomorrow obama should blame hillary for his comment

Let's hear it for a new low for Soetoro No! I have no idea where that came from, but I'm guessing you are a miserable person to spew such hate at someone you don't know. I hope you are nicer to your own daughter.

Actually, Obama doesn't have eager to bully Hillary, but people behind him do. It shows though Obama when he became president, he 'll the white guys' puppet. Rev. Wright know that. That's why Rev. Wright said that he will come after him.

Thank you Sandy B. Somebody who gets it!

J, the story is true, Memorial Day was yesterday, and "yap" is rude.

Obama comment about McCain's campaign behind close door today.... is it he point finger to himself. Remember, when Obama campaigned in elites San Francisco behind close door too.

Ted Kennedy took it all the way to the convention...why not Hillary?

Posted by: Debra |

I think we all know why. She's a woman and they think they can bully her.

Ted Kennedy took it all the way to the convention...why not Hillary?

What is democratic about the democratic party?

Posted by: Just Curious ----------

Good question. This is not the democrats I have been a part of for the past 30 years.

Obama -- afraid of tough debates, degrading people in closed door meetings, telling people whatever they want to hear at the moment. Is he an airhead or what?

Thinking

Bull -- as usual!

Except for Bill Clinton's 2 terms, the Dems have not won since 1976. Obama is on track to join the other Dem presidential losers in political purgatory. Nice guy, good motivator, still no experience, no general grasp of the issues, not even mature enough to know what he doesn't know. The only thing that could pull Obama through is if the media continues to fawn over him. Then he'll become president and the public won't become fully aware of his deficiencies until after he's inaugurated, just like with Bush.