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Why Shouldn't Obama Win West Virginia?
May 12, 2008 11:25 AM
1.8 million Americans live in West Virginia, 665,234 of them are registered Democrats. It's bordered by two states Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois won -- Virginia and Maryland, and two states Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, won -- Pennsylvania and Ohio. (Its fifth border state, Kentucky, holds its primary on May 20.)
The Mountain State ranks 50th in median household income, $31,008; 50th in persons in the state 25 years or older with a bachelor's degree or more, 15.3%; and 48th in per capita income, $23,995.
The state is 96% white and 3.5% African-American.
The idea of Democrats winning in West Virginia is perfectly sane. Registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans two to one -- approximately 60% to 30%.
The state has two Democratic senators -- Bob Byrd and Jay Rockefeller -- and a Democratic governor, Joe Manchin. Two out of its three members of Congress are Democrats. The state went for Michael Dukakis in 1988, Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, and George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004.
Sure, with few African-Americans or college-educated Democrats, this does not seem like an "Obama" state the way these primaries have been playing out.
But Obama needs to be able to convince voters like these that he cares about them, shares their values, and will change their lives.
John F. Kennedy shocked the political world in 1960 by winning here, proving that a Catholic could win in a Protestant, heavily evangelical state. Why is it so crazy that Obama could win in West Virginia? Or at least not lose it 2-to-1?
If these Democrats vote for Clinton, the presumptive loser, overwhelmingly -- as is predicted -- that indicates a real problem for Obama. I know the delegate math is close to dispositive for Clinton, but tomorrow's butt-stomping seems to me like it should merit some serious hand-wringing among Democrats.
- jpt
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Hillary Who? started this campaign
with a boast: her 35 years of (non)
experience.
If she doesn't pack up and go home now, she will end up with a debt of 35 million.
Posted by: anon | May 14, 2008 1:41:12 AM
If Obama can only African American, young and high educated voters, how can he win the general election without these white blue collar population. Superdelegate is trying to override the will of the white blue collar population. If he win the nominee but lose the general election so what is the point to stay in this race. He also try to ignore the Michigan and Floridate voters. He will campaing on these two states next week. He is very arrogant and think these voters will forget his action and vote for him in November.
Posted by: Laura | May 13, 2008 3:54:25 PM
What bothers me the most about Obama is that even the Chicago Tribune is reported to be covering up his direct ties to terrorist buddies Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn. We've all heard rumors that Obama
has close friends who are terrorists, but none of us believed them UNTIL NOW! Read on, dear bloggers! From Accuracy in Media, a direct quote from the FBI files
follows:
“The FBI report on the Weather Underground states, under the title of ‘WUO Bombings and Attempted Bombings,’ that on February 16, 1970, ‘A bomb detonated at the Golden Gate Park Branch of the San Francisco Police Department killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen.’
“The Society of Former Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation authored a 1979 pamphlet on the WUO that reported, ‘On October 18, 1974, Larry Grathwohl, a former member of the WUO, testified before a US Senate Subcommittee that Bill Ayers, a WUO leader, had told him that Bernardine Dohrn, another WUO leader, had to plan, develop and carry out the bombing of the police station in San Francisco. Ayers told Grathwohl the bomb was placed on the window ledge and he described the bomb that was used to the extent of saying what kind of shrapnel was used in it.’
Of course, Obama's buddies are still unprosecuted, even though people were
maimed AND murdered by their bombing! They claim no one was hurt except themselves, but this is not true. One person died and several were injured beyond description! Is this the sort of man we want to have run our country? I am not a Hillary lover and am not terribly fond of McCain, either; but I'd sure as heck vote for one of them over a best buddy to World Underground terrorists.
Think about it people!! All is NOT what it seems on the surface of the pretty faces out there...
Posted by: mama J | May 13, 2008 12:15:24 PM
My fellow west Virginians Please vote for the one that has some substance
Posted by: t.v.eddie | May 13, 2008 9:38:16 AM
There is one and one reason we u.s. find ourselves in this trouble. the real elitist and the Republican control White House. Now dress it up anyway you wanted!
Posted by: t.v.eddie | May 13, 2008 9:31:22 AM
Is this true? "The Mountain State ranks 50th in median household income, $31,008; 50th in persons in the state 25 years or older with a bachelor's degree or more, 15.3%; and 48th in per capita income, $23,995."
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Ummmm....(lol)
Posted by: Dems | May 12, 2008 10:03:10 PM
I JUST LOVE THAT SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE SKIT!
IT SO ACCURATELY PORTRAYS THE REAL HILLARY.
Posted by: rhbate | May 12, 2008 9:42:03 PM
"It is clear that the uneducated, hard working Americans - white Americans - vote for me overwhelmingly. They are my core base."
Hillary dissed all non-white voters, i.e., Asian-American, African-Americans, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, Latin Americans and Eskimos. Sounds as though she is saying only "white Americans" are hard working. As a Latino, I am insulted and my friends and I would never vote for her.
Posted by: rhbate | May 12, 2008 9:38:44 PM
Obama is campaigning in W.V. maybe not on a pander-a-rama trip like Hillary but he is visiting the state to give it a try. Next, let the people of W.V. decide how they want to vote, it does look like they will vote for Hillary in the primary but only they can decide how they will vote in the GE not the self-important know-it-alls who are yapping so loud.
Posted by: fool me once | May 12, 2008 9:21:58 PM
Hillary Who? and her surrogates are
blowing smoke in West Virginia.
Posted by: anon | May 12, 2008 9:16:08 PM
BO chickens and ducks. He is in fact afraid of his chickens go home to roost in WV. Now he doesn't believe himself.
57 states that he have gone campaigning, WV is not worth his glorious behind. The game is finished because the goal post is at the 10 yard line for him. Touch down BO: stay down and you won't get hurt.
Posted by: John_Lai | May 12, 2008 8:56:29 PM
Hillary who?
Posted by: anon | May 12, 2008 8:56:08 PM
If Mr. Obama needs West Virginia, Kentucy, and Florida to win the general election, the superdelegates must find a way to nominate Mrs. Clinton.
Posted by: Fredric | May 12, 2008 7:46:16 PM
Hillary is one of the most talented, if not the most talented-female with a class-act, politician in the world. That's the reason why she is able to handle all the thrashings she received and still is receiving. Her tenacity serves as an inspiration to all Americans as well as throughout the world. No woman or man should feel threatened by a woman like herself as long as one believes in oneself. I fully believe that her heart is for the best interest of the American people tho' I also believe that she'll have a tough time to accomplish all of her projects. To all of you who believe that Barack Hussein Obama is the guy for you, I hope you know what you are getting into before it's too late. You accuse Hillary of being dishonest but if you are honest to yourselves, ask yourselves how many times did Obama lied to the public. IN GOD WE TRUST. KEEP UP YOUR GOOD FIGHT HILLARY. GO FOR THE KILL. . ..
Posted by: avepa | May 12, 2008 6:36:09 PM
If Hillary had as hard a time sealing the deal as Obama has allegedly had, she'd be winning.
She's down 15 runs in the top of the ninth. Two grand slams aint gonna win it for her. You guys can cheer as loud as you want to make it seem like she's winning. The score is still 15-8 Obama.
Posted by: JL | May 12, 2008 6:22:11 PM
Genna: I really don't know what you are reading. The majority of the white college students plus the blacks gave Obama the win in those nickel and dime states. He had a few larger states but none were battleground. SC,NC,IL,MN & WI are not battleground states and the universities in all those states plus blacks gave him the wins. Hillary doesn't get the young white voters she gets the blue collar, white middle class voters and Latino's.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 5:00:32 PM
Yes, WV did go for Clinton twice. I wasn't there in '92 - I was in Texas then - but I was in WV in '96.
One of Clinton's advantages was that there are definite cultural and socio-economic similarities between the Ozarks and Appalachia, and Bill never seemed to distance himself from his culture. Al Gore spent most of his adult life in Washington, DC, and was largely perceived to have lost touch with his culture's values.
Also, in 1996, the West Virginian Democratic establishment did not appear to turn their back on Bill Clinton the way they did Gore in 2000.
Posted by: Donald G | May 12, 2008 4:36:59 PM
General Election Polls: Hillary Clinton is ahead of Obama in all of the following polls in a matchup with John McCain:
McCain-Obama McCain-Clinton
National Obama +4.2 Clinton +5.1
Pennsylvania Obama +5.0 Clinton+10.0
Ohio McCain +3.4 Clinton +5.4
Florida McCain +9.0 Clinton +1.7
Wisconsin Obama +1.6 McCain +3.4
Posted by: Truth | May 12, 2008 4:32:48 PM
Democrat: You said the right words. The media has been pro-moting Obama from the start when they should have been pro-moting Hillary. They were shoving Obama down the throats of the public. Mainly because they don't like the Clintons, jealous of them and don't want them in the white house again. Chris Matthews and Shuster are pro-Obama supporters and are extremely happy Hillary is losing but they still may get a shock. Neighter one will reach 2025 so its up to the superdelegates to nominate the nominee and let's hope its not Obama.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 4:23:34 PM
Donald: But West Virginia went for Bill Clinton twice. I agree with you about Obama; he will not win that state, along with many others.
Posted by: George | May 12, 2008 4:17:53 PM
spock: Obama had been reading the speeches of RFK and when RFK was campaigning for the presidency his words were about hope and change and Obama copied them from RFK's book of speeches. But the hope Obama speaks of is the hope of becoming president and the word change is changing a white president to a black president. His words are not for the people because there isn't anything he can change in Washington without the approval of Congress. He says anything that comes into his head and people eat it up. He was a salesman at one time and knows how to sell himself to the public even if it means lying. He has felt the people out and knows what they want to hear. He is also very cunning and slick. He also thinks he has the nomination locked up so he isn't even concerned with Hillary's wins in WVA, KY and Puerto Rico. He cannot win the nominatiion without the superdelegates appointing him the nominee and they have not done that yet because the primaries are not over.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 4:13:20 PM
The media, the DNC and the Democratic Party elite has tried to shove Obama down our throats for many months now. In spite of this, Hillary is still fighting hard to protect this country against the most deceptive and divisive candidate in modern history. Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry and the rest of the party establishment are going to get a big surprise in November, should Obama be the Democratic nominee, when he is soundly defeated by voters crossing over to McCain from their own party. We Democrats who will not sit idly by and let this dangerous wing of the party seize control will fight on, because we love our families and our country more than the Democratic Party, which is now only a shadow of the party of hope and promise it purports to represent.
Posted by: Democrat | May 12, 2008 4:08:55 PM
Hey, McCain he ain't no
magic wigga. Neither is
the lady in the pantsuit.
Posted by: anon | May 12, 2008 3:54:13 PM
Fred,
It seems like some an apocalyptic pronouncement of race. We might need to batten all the hatches so when the racial strife begins in the GE, we can let the cooler heads prevail.
Maybe the SD should tell Obama he can't win because he's black and has these quotes out of context from the Dreams of My Father.
*sarcasm* I'm afraid the country can't have this kind of blatantly scary sentiment in its halls of power. In fact, the DNC should go against the popular vote and the pledged delegates to allow the grown ups---McCain and Clinton---have a real debate on some undemocratic principles. *sarcasm concluded*
Posted by: Genna | May 12, 2008 3:43:13 PM
Jake,
The POV that Obama can't win the white vote. Well, how can that be when each state he has ALREADY WON had white people vote for him. Are those people less than the ones who have voted for Hillary?
I think the thing you are overlooking is the subtext of divide and conquer.
To women: no one really trusts and understands your ability to accomplish what you set out to do...it is because women aren't taken seriously in this country. Vote for me I won't let that happen to you.
To Hispanic voters: Obama just doesn't get it. Haven't I been there for you in the past? How could you even question that you and I will make it happen together? What will happen if you let an African American in when there are so many problems plaguing America.
To hard-working people, uh, white voters: Obama can win your vote. Look you are my 'real' base. You know I will take care of you. Didn't my husband bring peace and prosperity?
I think the best strategy Obama can have for WV, PA, OH, TX and any other state that has these dynamics in them is to tell them the truth about the economy like he did when talking about the gas tax. Tell them who you are and what you stand for. Tell them until they can repeat it in their sleep. Tell them until they can talk about how it speaks to where they live, work, and go to church.
I think the disservice of the spin Clinton has employed is it gives a pass to the GE voters that even the Clintons knew a black man couldn't win. I'd suggest the best strategy in the GE is to win the frame of the debate.
I still haven't seen Jake Tapper write out a news item on the Clintons secret plan on winning back the African American voter's hearts and minds. How about you replay the USA Today story where she identifies the hard-working quote and tell us how that is part of her core message? Do you think that 92% number against will become 80% for?
Posted by: Genna | May 12, 2008 3:34:22 PM
From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".
Barack Obama
From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart." Barack Obama
From Dreams Of My Father: "That hate hadn't gone away," he wrote, BLAMING "WHITE PEOPLE ? some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."
Barack Obama
From 'Dreams Of My Father', "There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names"
Barack Obama
Posted by: Fred | May 12, 2008 3:29:03 PM
The premise of this article is absurd. Obama has the nomination tied up, and investing heavily in West Virginia right now would be major strategic blunder. The comparison to Kennedy is particularly silly. West Virginia was for Kennedy like Iowa was for Obama, an early state that set the tone for the race. Kennedy didn't have a choice but to win it, and he pulled out all the stops to do it. For Obama, it's a late state, he doesn't need the delegates, and losing while trying to compete just makes him look weaker as the presumptive nominee. It's far better for him to eat the loss and focus his attention on McCain.
Posted by: Justin | May 12, 2008 3:28:59 PM
Nat Turner,
Why did you come and incite these people who usually go unchallenged. If you dredge back in different comment sections, the same people make the same talking points story after story.
Either they really believe it, or they really want us to believe it. It usually turns out the same...Obama can't win. Why debate a point of view that does not change.
Posted by: Genna | May 12, 2008 3:24:49 PM
sigh, there are some really outrageous comments here on both sides.
I am not voting for Obama in the GE, but my reasons are very specific to my own feelings about his having divided my party by race.
But in the GE he has a much bigger problem. People's concerns about his character and his ability to understand and respect the people he wants to vote for him. I have heard way too much about how people are racist. Why he is losing is more about his attitudes about people than theirs about him.
People will not vote for someone who patronizes them.
Posted by: TeresaINPay | May 12, 2008 3:16:32 PM
V. You said it right. Her voters will sit out and vote for McCain just like I will if she is not the nominee. I would never campaign for my rival. They have trashed her, insulted her in every way and I am glad she won in Indiana even at a small percentage, however, I have a feeling she got shafted in Lake County. But like Pelosi said, a win is a win. Obama cannot win the battleground states without Hillary because I believe most of her supporters there will vote McCain. If Hillary wins in WVA, KY and Puerto Rico she has it made because he can't claim himself victory or the nominee. It has to be by the superdelegates.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 3:15:58 PM
I think some of the truth is that Obama has been running pretty hard in a number of huge contests recently, and come to this smallish state, why not take a bit of a rest, given he has near as secured the nomination and not had much of a rest at all in the last 6 months? I don't believe that patronises the people of West Virginia, and it doesnt mean he can't win come November. Never mind the democratic party, I think the media needs to calm down about all of this.
Posted by: markymark | May 12, 2008 3:08:01 PM
Nat Turner: Yes she would be a fool to campaign for her rival. That would be just plain stupid. However, Obama needs Hillary so he can win those battleground states that he could not win and will not win without her help. So admit it. And are you smart enough to know why there is talk about an Obama-Clinton ticket? He can't win those states. Face it. She has 60% to his 24% in WVA. She will win in KY and Puerto Rico. Hoping she wins in Oregon, FL and MI seated and that will give her what she needs. If your that smart you should know that the superdelegates pick the nominee and what would you say if they pick Hillary? Cry in your beer? Have a drink with Obama?
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 3:05:02 PM
Why can't he win W. Va?
It has to do with the caricature of Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004 and how Clinton has gone after hard-working people, white people, in this election. Both groups (Republicans and Hillary Clinton/Bill Clinton) assume that you have to appeal to white pride in order to win.
It is hard to see Obama casting out race or gender in WV, PA, OH, or TX as successfully as Hillary has done. *sarcasm* Maybe he has the wherewithal to take over the same tactics which have been used by these groups in the past. If he doesn't learn how to use race as a wedge issue like SNL portrayed Hillary Clinton, then the DNC is in big trouble for the GE. **sarcasm concluded**
What I'd really like to see is the grit he demonstrated in PA repeated in these states. He started 20 to 30 points down and closed that gap to 9.4 points. He knew he would not get every voter but he'd tried to close the lead in the time that he had so Hillary Clinton would not be able to get an overwhelming number of pledged delegates from that state.
He should spend the next few months in a listening tour in this 2000 and 2004 red leaning state. He should demonstrate to reporters and white voters alike that he can take countless hours in a quest to respect all American pride this country has to offer. If he needs to do liquor shots, pump gas and get on top a pickup truck in jeans and a button down shirt, then he needs to feel their pain too.
If he happens to spend a lot of resources (ie. time, energy and money) to do it, then he definitely needs to take the time now to sleep through the rest of the primary and devise a plan.
Posted by: Genna | May 12, 2008 3:01:44 PM
Nat Turner: I will answer you, when you answer my question.
Posted by: Emily | May 12, 2008 2:43:58 PM
Guys,
There's some much racial verbiage oozing from this dialogue.It really stinks.The fact is,regardless of the trade of emotions, the candidate that is best placed to win the day will carry the day. It feels funny to see how a number of people are hell bent on passing green for yellow.Hocus Pocus isn't going to put bread on anyone's table neither will how white or blue or black they come. When we make all these funny statements let's be sure to watch the bottomline: how to seal the leak in our pockets that's now threatening everything we've worked for.Skip the cheap exuberance.It really doesn't count.
Posted by: Imagine | May 12, 2008 2:40:11 PM
Nat Turner: No, I will see you at McCain's. If Hillary declares herself as an independent she will take tremendous votes away from Obama which can give McCain the win. If she doesn't do that then she's a fool. This is a dog eat dog world and you have to fight for what you want. I definately would do that to knock him out of the presidency. I don't think she will do that but I sure think her voters will vote for McCain.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 2:30:35 PM
DL thinks that any Democrat who doesn't support Obama is not "sane"???? That notion certainly does speak to *someone's* connection to reality.
Posted by: Buford Gooch | May 12, 2008 2:29:00 PM
Self-proclaimed champion of
the working class.
Jail time not nomination
for Clinton for gypping
small vendors.
Posted by: anon | May 12, 2008 2:25:17 PM
Emily: Your are so right and Nat Turner thinks he knows it all. He is a strong supporter of Obama and no matter what you explain to Nat he isn't going to believe it. He believes only what he wants to. We all know that Obama went to a racist church for 20 years that had a pastor that was racist, anti-american and hated white people. Why didn't Obama leave that church. Oprah did right away. Obama was raised racial, disliked white people and him and Michelle were anti-americans. Obama is in this race to make history for himselve. He doesn't care less about the American people as long as he gets what he wants the presidency so he can say I did it. Nat Turner doesn't understand politics as well as he thinks and doesn't see thru Obama for supposedly an educated person. Another example of Obama is he has a book on the speeches of RFK that he studied so he knew what to say on the platform. I bet Nat Turner didn't know about that. Obama's words hope and change were in one of RFk's speeches that he copied. For an educated person he is completely dumb!!
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 2:17:42 PM
Hillary should absolutely not help Obama in this election.The way he and his campaign have disrespected herand her supporters and trashed her in every sense possible leaves no room for any cooperation.Hillary supporters will sit out or vote Mccain.Their true power will be felt in November.Democrats are an army of fools soon to be led by an idiot.
Posted by: v | May 12, 2008 2:14:45 PM
Mariann: I agree with all of your statements except that last one. I've never seen a more ruthless and deceptive candidate than Obama. Power is what he has been after since the beginning of his nasty career.
I can't imagine him resigning from any position of power, ever.
Posted by: Emily | May 12, 2008 2:11:42 PM
Nat Turner: Let me go on record to advise you that someone investigated his background and he was never a law professor. Where did you get that idea. He is suppose to be so educated, he can't even answer the questions in a debate, he has to stop and think and sometimes he stutters. That's how educated he is. He doesn't hold a degree in politics. He thinks he does.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 2:09:36 PM
Nat Turner: Obama will lose to McCain in November because 40% of Hillary's voters will vote for McCain. Obama will have to beg the battleground states to vote for him. They will turn their cheek the other way. He will turn to pastor Wright to pray for him and ask god to forgive him for being a racist and hating America. He will ask for Hillary's help in campaigning but it won't work, McCain will give him the knock out punch. He will be finished forever and will give up his seat because of embarrassment.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 2:06:07 PM
Send her to jail if the lady in the pantsuit doesn't pay her hundreds of
overdue bills soon.
Posted by: anon | May 12, 2008 2:01:37 PM
Nat Turner: No Hillary will leave Obama in the dust, if she doesn't McCain will. He is no match for an educated man that has been in politics for years. He is still wet behind the ears. Obama has to be declared as the nominee and by the superdelegates not by himself. I believe he is going to shocked if they pick Hillary. He can't beat McCain now are even if he runs again.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 1:57:25 PM
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Posted by: T | May 12, 2008 1:55:52 PM
Nat Turner said: I wish I could see the look on your face when racism is directly associated with the oppression of others.
Nat: Your assertion does not coincide with the definition. There are three separate and distinct definitions in your post. Where in the statement, "hatred or intolerance of another race or races" is your implied element of "oppression of others?" The answer: It's not there. And yes, I'm not stupid. I understand that the black liberation theologists have tried to redefine "racism" in order to suggest that black people cannot be racists. In fact, James Cone has said on this subject: "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." I know that is what Obama believes; are you saying that you believe that, also?
ON ANOTHER NOTE: I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO ANSWER MY QUESTION. COME ONE NAT, BE A MAN. YOU CAN DO IT. Do you agree with the sentiments expressed in the following statement?
"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."
Posted by: Emily | May 12, 2008 1:55:49 PM
Democratic Party has been taken over by leftist zealots.They sure make a lot of noise and may put their flawed favorite though.It does not matter that they are blindly jumping off the cliff to the depths of a major defeat in November.They have tried and nearly succeeded in finishing the chances of the candidate which polls after polls showing way ahead of Mc cain.If they loose this year might as well disband this army of fools.
Posted by: vic | May 12, 2008 1:55:00 PM
Twenty million dollars in debt.
Hundreds of unpaid bills. Small
vendors and small businesses
stiffed out of timely payments.
Payment delayed - the same as
theft of service.
HRC's campaign has been an
abortion from the beginning.
Posted by: anon | May 12, 2008 1:52:48 PM
anon: Hillary is not acquainted with crooks like Obama is that's why he gets big donations. His close ties to Ayers the underground dog who bombed this country three times, Rezko, Farrakhan and others that that are unknown. There is a lot of dirt on Obama that has not come out yet but it will. He is good at selling himself to the public, he use to be a salesman and knows how to buffalo the public. I am very wise to Obama, he doesn't fool me for one second but he has the majority of the young people fooled. He didn't fool the voters in the battleground states that he couldn't capture.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 1:46:04 PM
Bottom line: Dems can't win back W.H without Clintons' help...
Just like Al Gore and John Kerry....
Posted by: True Truth | May 12, 2008 1:44:05 PM
Nat Turner
That's just the way Obama people think. If you are for another candidate, you must be a racist.
Every time I see that nonsense, I'm bound even more to vote for anybody except Obama. Birds of a feather, they are!
Posted by: A | May 12, 2008 1:37:25 PM
Twenty million dollars in debt.
Hundreds of unpaid bills. Small vendors and small businesses stiffed out of
timely payments. Payment delayed - the same as theft of service.
HRC's campaign has been an abortion from the beginning.
Posted by: anon | May 12, 2008 1:37:23 PM
Obama and troops will soon be approving 527 attacks on John McCain. Obama will stay above the fray saying not me, not me, I never said a bad thing about any one or their kin. No wasn't me!
So Barry change is good, change your name again so no one will know who you are, who are you??
Posted by: HP Boston | May 12, 2008 1:26:29 PM
why is it if the state does not go for Obama they are racist. He will never win the general election if that is the attitude.
Posted by: 2boysmom | May 12, 2008 1:25:42 PM
george:
you goals are on target but your candidate isn't.
that's why HILLARY will be our next president!
prepare to welcome her.
Posted by: EYES WIDE OPEN | May 12, 2008 1:25:12 PM
BO can't win WV b/c there are not enough stupid people in the state to fall for his fairytale WORDS!
There are not enough AA in the state to carry him to a 20% loss so he will be crushed at 30%.
He can not win in the GE.
Posted by: HP Boston | May 12, 2008 1:19:55 PM
Steve Moore: Nat Turner is drinking more than Koo-Aid. He's taking the stuff that Obama use to take in college that's why his brain don't think. Obama did not win the nomination, Obama is nominating himself as the nominee but he has to wait to be nominated. Hillary will win in WVA, KY and Puerto Rico as stated and possibly Oregon. If that happens Obama can be in trouble. The superdelegates have not nominated a nominee yet. Many of them are uncommitted. They have the authority to supercede the popular vote and who has the most delegates. They will choose who the best candidate is to beat McCain and believe me it is not Obama. He is very arrogant and too sure of himself, needs to be brought down to earth.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 1:16:10 PM
wasn't B O plenty two-faced when he sounded off in two different direction for and against poor Jeremiah?
First he pushes his typical white grandmother under the bus while holding tight to Wright.
Then he tosses Wright under the bus.. with his typical white granny who had been tossed there because she was supposedly scared of black men.
Which goes to show how two Wright speeches can be soooo wrong!
As for intelligence:
You don't need an education to be intelligent;
You need an education to become knowledgeable!
My father put his brothers through school and they were very successful.
But my father was the smartest person I've ever met!
So don't bother trying to belittle the Hillary clan; they're smart enough to recognize a great presidential candidate when they find one.
I'll vote for Clinton, and I approve this message!
Posted by: EYES WIDE OPEN | May 12, 2008 1:14:18 PM
fontapa: For your information Obama has not won the nomination although he's acting like is already the president. Hillary will win WVA, KY and Puerto Rico and possibly Oregon. That is bad news for Obama and good news for Hillary. Also the superdelegates can switch their vote forwards and backwards if they choose. Superdelegates have the authority to choose the best candidate that can beat McCain and it certainly is not Obama unless he gets the help from Hillary. She is a fool if she does it.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 12, 2008 1:10:06 PM
To Nat Turner
You are such a fool. When did Obama win the nomination. HE IS NOT THE NOMINEE. That is another one of Obama and his supporters problems you count things that have NOT HAPENED.
OBAMA IS NOT THE NOMINEE. Wake Up and stop drinking so much of that Obama Kool-Aid
Posted by: Steve Moore | May 12, 2008 1:10:03 PM
Thankfully, not every state is as racist as West Virginia.
Posted by: DJShay | May 12, 2008 1:04:05 PM
Nat Turner:
Balanced?
Like Philadelphia?
Like North Carolina?
You jest!
Hillary wil have MY vote; the community in which I live IS actually BALANCED!
Posted by: EYES WIDE OPEN | May 12, 2008 1:03:19 PM
To Nat Turner
Whatever Happens, Happens !
BUT Obama WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT !
If Obama is the nominee then WHY are all you Obama fans SO SCARED! It is unbelievable how AFRAID you all are when you say it is over.
IF IT IS NOT HILLARY THAN IT WILL BE McCain - NEVER OBAMA
Posted by: Steve Moore | May 12, 2008 1:02:19 PM
"geevil...try counting these: Ill, NC,Al, Alaska, Colorado, CT,Delaware,D of C, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho,Iowa,Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, maryland, Minn, Miss, New M, ND, SC, Texas Caucu, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washingting State, Wyoming. Is that the popular vote?"
Let's take a closer look. In November Obama would lose NC, AL, AK,GA,ID,IW,KS,LA,MS,NM,ND,SC,TX (no caucus, so sorry), UT,WY and probably VA and CO.
Posted by: geevill | May 12, 2008 1:01:52 PM
Steve Moore:
Waa! Waa! My candidate didn't win! I want conservatives on the supreme court now, even though I claim to be a Democrat! Waa! Waa! I like a heavy influence of lobbyists on my presidential candidates! Waa! Waa! My candidate didn't win! Waa!
Posted by: 2YearOldCryBabies | May 12, 2008 12:58:42 PM
Suddenly, I have seen the light. Obama had me fooled for quite some time, but I can no longer sit idly by and watch him fool the rest of America. I have finally regained my objectivity, and see Obama for the inexperience and deceptive candidate that he is. I only hope it is not too late.
Posted by: fontapa | May 12, 2008 12:56:28 PM
All of the discussion about whether or not Obama wins WV is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that this selection process which began back in January is almost over. It appears that in a fair contest that Obama has polled more popular votes and that he holds an insurmountable delegate lead. The process by which the delegates were selected was already in place, and FL and MI surely must have been informed of the consequences of moving their primaries. If you people who are vowing your non-support of the eventual Democratic standard-bearer want to elect a man who will have us in Iraq for at least four more years (maybe 100), nominate Supreme Court justices who will invalidate Roe vs Wade, continue to veto every effort to raise the minimum wage, and perpetuate a health-care system that denies the essential care that millions of Americans do no have - then go ahead and continue your petty bickering. You might just get what you want!
Posted by: george | May 12, 2008 12:54:20 PM
THE CLINTONS ARE THE HEART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
Republicans are directing the Democratic party through the media, and Republicans are voting for Mr. Obama to knock off Mrs. Clinton, adding to that corporations like insurance companies and other who keep us stripped out our hard earned money have contributed massively for Mr. Obama. The elected Democratic officials are endorsing Mr. Obama because they are lost and have been for the last eight years. It took a Clinton to bring it back after 12 years of Republican rule. The Democratic party wil lose again in November if Mrs. Clinton is not the nominee.
Posted by: alice | May 12, 2008 12:52:39 PM
To 2YearOldCryBabies
Typical childish behavier from a Obama supporter. You do not care about what or who is good for this country. You just want a Black President even if his has no idea what he is doing. The man is completely UN-QUALIFIED to be PRESIDENT and that is why if giving the choice between McCain and Obama than MOST Hillary supporters will do what is BEST for the Country and vote for McCain.
Posted by: Steve Moore | May 12, 2008 12:50:33 PM
I know Obama supporters don't want to admit it but he has big problems. In my family alone only one person wants to vote for Obama. The remaining five of us don't want to vote for Obama or Mccain. Anyone know if Nader will be on the ballot?
Posted by: Tina from Florida | May 12, 2008 12:48:11 PM
Obama was never able to win a national election. What a total waste of time and a drain on our soon to be nominee Hillary Clinton. Face it, Hillary is the only candidate who can defeat McCain. The Republicans know this, why don't the Obamabots?
BTW, Hillary is the best person for the job and doesn't rely on phony speeches to persuade you of anything...she has the record and experience to prove it.
Oh and don't forget, Obama's racism, Muslim ties, arrogance, and lack of experience scares the crap out of those of us who weren't beguiled by the media hype. We would NEVER vote for him. Give up on your media rock star, he can't win.
Posted by: Shel | May 12, 2008 12:47:53 PM
Nat Turner
NICE TRY - Do you honestly think that anyone beleives that you are a Californian or anything else you have to say. You Obama fans kill me - I am A White 57 year old or I am a Asian Or I am a Californian. Why would you state who or what you unless you are really trying to hide your true idenity. Give it up Obama will NEVER be President!
Posted by: Steve Moore | May 12, 2008 12:45:50 PM
Waa! Waa! My candidate didn't win! Waa! Waa! I'll vote for John McCain and stay in Iraq for another hundred years, while the economy continues to fall apart.... my candidate didn't win! Waa! Waa!
Posted by: 2YearOldCryBabies | May 12, 2008 12:43:17 PM
Susan -
A person educated on economics knows more about economics than one who isn't.
When a decision needs to be made about economics, the person educated in it knows more about it, and therefore will make more accurate observations and decisions about it than one who is not.
Just like the master mechanic who fixes my car knows better how to fix it than I do.
It's not a prejudice, it's a fact.
Looking for moral fortitude and street-wise judgement and wisdom among the uneducated is a good idea. Involving those strengths in our democracy is crucial.
But giving their voice more credence than those who are highly educated on these topics is foolish.
Case in point, you'd ask your uneducated co-worker for advice on anything from buying a car to how to discipline your kid, but you wouldn't ask him to give you open heart surgery.
For that, you'd go to an expert. Reason? EDUCATION!!
Posted by: fontapa | May 12, 2008 12:42:30 PM
Clinton is considered likely to win West Virginia's primary, perhaps by as many as 30 percentage points. She's won 4 of the last 5 primaries: Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. Obama just won North Carolina out of these 5, and yet the media decided to define him as the nominee. Just like referees stopping the fight to favor their favorite boxer. Are Tim Russert, Obermann, Matthews, etc, out of their minds or do they think we are fools?!
Posted by: Luis | May 12, 2008 12:41:39 PM
Steve Moore
just for your reference
west virginia
has
HALF the percentage avg. of the rest of America for College Educated and 5-10% below the average high school education.
There is only 3 percent African American in the state. 97 % white.
Lack of education and diversity are strong factors in this state.
But keep typing Racist stuff about Obama...because that is the issue you all need to keep being the focus huh?
This race is not about race...but you keep trying.