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With Symbols, Obama's Patriotism Continues to Be Under Fire

May 04, 2008 8:16 PM

Front page stories in today's Washington Post and yesterday's New York Times underscore the question I asked Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., at a press availability in Ohio in February -- his vulnerability to the use of symbols to define a politician, fairly or unfairly, as unpatriotic.

Politicians ignore such dribs and drabs at their own peril. My point to Obama then was: This is how they're coming at you -- what are you going to do about it?

His answer then -- and you can read the whole Q&A HERE -- "As far as the American flag pin, I mean when we start getting into those definitions of patriotism that’s a debate I’m happy to have, because I will come right after them. This is a party that presided over a war in which our troops did not get the body armor that they needed, or sending troops over who were untrained because of poor planning, or are not fulfilling the veterans benefits that these troops need when they come home, or undermining our Constitution with warrantless wiretaps that are unnecessary. That is a debate that I am very happy to have. We’ll see what the American people think the true definition of patriotism is."

Perhaps that would be an effective retort. Body armor, poor war planning, veterans' benefits. A lot of voters would likely see how one handles those issues as a more powerful definition of patriotism than a pin.

Do you think Obama has effectively made that retort yet on a wide scale?

- jpt

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Did anyone watch Obama last night at the Jefferson/jackson dinner. He looked so tired and there was something about the coloring. He looked skeletal - almost demonic. I was watching it on Fox and wondered if it was my tv (also the grayness of the banner - or flag behind him really affected how he looked.

His performance was really uneven. Most of his delivery was flat - until the end when he started using a booming voice. What was that all about?

Posted by: Cathy | May 5, 2008 2:49:05 PM

Somebody help me. Why does it take Obama one hour to get a sentence out?

Just too boring and always looking angry. Maybe, something he acquired by listening to Wright for all that 20 years in the church.

Posted by: SO | May 5, 2008 1:38:11 PM

Around twenty years ago, Obama saw Rev Wright "preach" about Hiroshima, then decided to join his Church.
We all know what Rev Wright thinks about Hiroshima by now, that he thinks we're terrorists for bombing Japan during World War II, and that we deserved 9-11 (our chickens came home to roost).
So the very first time Obama went to Trinity United, Rev Wright was denigrating America.
Words AND DEEDS matter Obama!
You can't sweet talk your way out of this.

Posted by: OxyCon | May 5, 2008 11:36:18 AM

Too bad Obama and his pastor failed to wear the flag pin. He would be better off now if he had only done one little pandering thing. What kind of a politician screws himself over a tiny little pin. The BO who lacks judgement, did you not know BO, the stupid, ignorant, lunch bucket crowds and not to mention old ladies put some store in an American who honors the flag every day. You are a condescending jerk.
Simple thing, you are to dense to win votes of patriotic Americans.

Posted by: HP Boston | May 5, 2008 9:30:11 AM

The fact that he has been having to defend his patriotism for a while just shows that if he gets to the general election, that issue and others (we all know his other issues) will be used to crush him. He can't defend himself- and sad to say, we'll have another republican in the White House. There's no way Obama could win the GE.

Posted by: Sarah | May 5, 2008 8:51:29 AM

It came in loud and clear to me. And just think - I didn't even graduate college. I'm one of those ignorant fold Senator Clinton panders to because she thinks we're dumb enough to buy her manipulations and lies.

Posted by: Rebecca M Incandela | May 5, 2008 8:37:29 AM

He must be doing something right, cause he's still tied or leading both McCain or Clinton on all "shares our values" polls.Posted by: Dave ----------
What poll are you looking at Clinton is beating McCain. Obama is just about tied.

Posted by: J | May 5, 2008 7:11:45 AM

Bolivia is divided into 2 countries.

This is what happens when you vote for a pro-marxist candidate for president: chaos and polarization. There are lessons here for many nations - including the USA.

Evo Morales was the minority candidate. He ran with the slogan: Change - We can believe in. Well he is now responsible for splitting his country into two.

Hugo Chavez sent him millions. The ambassador of Iran offered Morales "everything he wanted" to offset the influence of "American imperialism".

Obama may not split the USA in two - but he sure is going to split the Democrats into two in Denver.

Posted by: alance | May 5, 2008 6:45:18 AM

He's such a big bag of wind. Why does he have to make big long speeches about everything? I think he just likes to hear himself talk.

Posted by: Kane | May 5, 2008 3:03:43 AM

I don't care about the flag pin issue, but this caught my eye:

"that’s a debate I’m happy to have"

Hilarious considering his recent, well-publicized ducking of debates in Indiana, North Carolina, and Oregon.

But he's "happy" to have debates. SURE you are...

Posted by: EV | May 5, 2008 1:51:16 AM

When is this going to stop? Both my parents were in the military in WWII & this is not what they gave their efforts to preserve - nit picking.

Look at this link to see another president who is not putting his hand over his heart - and no one questions his patriotism, AS THEY SHOULDN'T!

Posted by: Anne Mason | May 5, 2008 12:40:41 AM

I could care less about a flag pin. Or rev Wright.

I do care that Obama thinks he is not only ready to be president, he thinks he is MORE qualified than Clinton or Mc Cain.

All based on SUPER pandering to everyone. He panders to anyone who is sick of the goverment. Anyone who is sick of every single thing wrong with their lives.

Guru's always prey on peoples dispair . Rev Jimmy Jones, Rev Moon. All the great cultist of our time told folks he could cure all their ills with a magic wand.

It bothers me that a first term senator with the most liberal voting record in the entire senate states the HE can magically get everyone to agree. All political groups.

It bothers me greatly that he has always told people what they wanted to hear.

I will magically change the country if we all band together. I have no actual evidence that I can do this, but I now say so to win an election, so its got to be true.

These are some of the basic reasons why I wont vote for Obama. He isnt ready, and will say whatever he has to to win.

I think the country wont elect him because he practiced Black Liberation Theology for 20 years, and will be swift boated to death by the republicans.

Posted by: tomdavie | May 5, 2008 12:33:41 AM

Belle Starr: I also have had a problem with all the flag "props" behind him. After his "big" speech when he had 8 flags behind him my posts were always deleted. Rev. Wright and William Ayers philosophies are eerily similar. What the Weather Underground did speaks for itself. Obama got his start with these people and they are STILL there. Tony Rezko(Syrian) and Nadhmi Auchi(Iraqi)Hussein money man were both tied to him when the war started. Did they have an influence on his stance against it? Nation of Islam was security for Rev. Wright last weekend. I voted for Jimmy Carter, but give me a break-Hamas? So I would say there are BIG questions.

Posted by: RL in Illinois | May 5, 2008 12:16:11 AM

I don't see the other canidates wearing flag pins and in the ABC debate none of the people on stag wore one. I think this shows how fair this process really is. He is the only one called to the carpet. Hillary's trial is not even mentioned in the news. One way media.

Posted by: WBone | May 5, 2008 12:14:28 AM

I don't think it's come to that yet, JT. This is more of a Republican attack, and I agree he's definitely going to have to make loud, proud statements to this effect come the general election. But in the context of the nomination contest, the only Democrats that buy into anything as superficial and vile as the lapel pin question are likely Republicans in sheeps clothing.

In short, no, he hasn't voiced it much yet, because he hasn't had to. When the time comes, he will.

Posted by: fontapa | May 5, 2008 12:04:14 AM

Gee I thought he was pretty good with symbols....wasn't he the guy that used a record number 7 flags as a backdrop to his "race" speech?

Obama may not understand what patriotism feels like to so many of the voters he seeks. In an interview the day after his speech he described patriotism to Anderson Cooper as "hyperbole". Since he may think it is just an exaggertion it may be hard for him to understand.

I would suggest that the way to prove his patriotism is to describe the feeling he has rather than the speeches he has given. I would suggest that the way to convince others that he feels as deeply as they do about America would not be to prove they are "unpatriotic" I would suggest he search himself to avoid exercising any inclination to follow his mentor Wright in his painting others as racist or unpatriotic.

The flagpin is a non-issue Wright will never go away...He sat in that church for 20 years knew what was being taught and was not patriotic enough to tell the minister that the US is not responsible for AIDS. He has a very high tolerance for "hate speech" against America. He has a very low integrity as far as admitting his close relationships. He has lied repeatedly about Wright and Rezko and Ayers and...?

Posted by: Jackie | May 5, 2008 12:03:20 AM

vickie,
ditto that, and add that you should not be able to even consider your self eligible for the presidency if you are a citizen of another country--kenya--talk about conflict of interest!
i also want my president to say he is a proud american, not an african-american. you cannot serve two masters.

Posted by: pp | May 4, 2008 11:47:24 PM

I'm sick of Obama

Drop out of the race already please

Posted by: Vickie | May 4, 2008 11:44:34 PM

Wow Mary you listened to Obama's speech tonight and have that response. I think you need to clean your ears out.

Posted by: lisa | May 4, 2008 11:23:30 PM

To older person--That 3 million lies of Obama was not my count but the count on the net. Check it out And yes, I listened to Obama's speech tonight--so just more political rhetric, I call it BS. Obama minic most of his ideas from other more informed candidate. And yes, he wants to change Washington politics to the dirtier Chicago politics where he learned how to distort or hide facts. Vote for the rational--vote for Clinton.

Posted by: Mary | May 4, 2008 11:19:28 PM

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