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Women For Hillary
May 14, 2008 4:16 PM
FROM GUEST-BLOGGER RICK KLEIN, OF ABC'S THE NOTE
A Democratic source passes on a fundraising solicitation from a new group, WomenCount PAC, along with a copy of an ad the group is placing in Thursday's USA Today, Sunday's New York Times, and Oregon newspapers next week.
From the solicitation, sent by Allida Black, the director and editor of the Eleanor Roosevelt Papers at George Washington University: "Hillary is my candidate and my friend. I know there is no one who is better prepared to lead us out of this mess and help create the nation I want America to be than Hilllary.
"And I am furious at the media, cowardly elected officials, moonstruck Democrats who want to call this race before the race is finished. So, taking a cue from the incomparable Susie Buell, a bunch of us decided to take it to the media in their own back yard."
Then comes an urgent plea for FedExed donations to fund the group's efforts, and this promise: "A press release, blog and viral email blitz will accompany the timing of the USA Today and NYT placements and we hope to begin a wave of 'patience' and desire to see this entire process through to the end."
"Patience" seems like Sen. Clinton's best argument for playing this out for three more weeks, and these are the kinds of allies she can use, particularly with NARAL throwing in its lot with Sen. Obama.
Agree? How does this play out as an argument?
-- Rick Klein
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I'm voting for John McCain - a Republican-something I have NEVER done
Watch those little men wearing flag pins on their lapels!!!Obama just put his back on. What organization do they represent? It's not this Republic..
Posted by: M E | Jun 5, 2008 7:54:59 PM
It's amazing how the Obama supporters continue to use nasty insults towards Clinton supporters, who are dissatisfied with the DNC's decision to blow off Hillary. This ongoing disrespect and arrogance is part of the reason why many, many Clinton supporters will either move towards McCain, or stay home in November.
Posted by: Howard | Jun 1, 2008 12:33:54 PM
It's amazing how the Obama supporters continue to use nasty insults towards Clinton supporters, who are dissatisfied with the DNC's decision to blow off Hillary. This ongoing disrespect and arrogance is part of the reason why many, many Clinton supporters will either move towards McCain, or stay home in November.
Posted by: Howard | Jun 1, 2008 12:33:17 PM
I support Hillary. I will not support
Obama in a general election...........(for the ones who say in the end we will vote for a Dem). I feel as if the
DNC has tried to push her out from the beginning. I wish Hillary would run as an "Independent"
Posted by: Jabconst@aol.com | May 30, 2008 6:59:45 AM
{{Ms. Pamela Ann Walsh – MOB (Mother’s Opposing Barack}}
Ms. Walsh; I tip my hat to you, very well said!
I am not a minion for the democratic party or any party, I am an independent voter, I will be voting for Hillary and if she don't make it. I will either write her name in or vote Republican.
Posted by: Theresa | May 29, 2008 2:49:31 AM
I watched the new HBO television movie
RECOUNT last night, and many of the tactics
employed by the over zealous George W
supporters back in 2000, like trying to stop
the vote recount, trying to get Gore to quit
before all the votes were in, and the smear
tactics against Al Gore, are now being done
by the far left democrats, against Hillary Clinton.
Also, like Gore, Hillary could win the popular vote,
but, like the 2000 George W supporters, the
Obama supporters don't care about this point,
even though it's the bedrock of democracy.
Unlike Gore who quit his bid for the oval office,
rather than stand up against the courts, Hillary
has the guts and Presidential qualities to stay in
the race, and win.
Vote for Hillary Clinton '08
Posted by: Lee | May 27, 2008 1:07:37 PM
This is a democracy ... ALL the votes should count. The voters, and the country shouldn't be disenfranchised just because a handful of party hacks moved the dates. Again, as I read the blogs, the Obama supporters express their sarcastic condescending comments about Mrs. Clinton, never acknowledging that she has over 17 million Americans who have chosen her over Obama so far. Before the Obama supporters continue to use such vile language towards Hillary, and her supporters, they should remember that they can't get their lord and master elected without us! The arrogant, lock-step Obama supporters are like a cult that shares one brain.
Posted by: Lee | May 23, 2008 11:19:06 AM
As a professional woman who has dealt with the glass ceiling and double standards for 'aggresive' women my whole career...I will never vote for Obama. He is all about images and has no substance. He is the true spoiler for the democratic party. I have never voted for a Republican my whole 27 years voting but will for the first time.
Posted by: rhonda | May 21, 2008 12:51:15 AM
We need some one like Hillary for President. If we can't elect Hillary it will be a big loss to our country.
Posted by: sara | May 16, 2008 11:18:17 PM
I have never read this blog before or posted. people willing to trade their reproductive rights for revenge.
What an eye-opener! I really had no idea. I would have cast my vote for Hillary even though her campaign displayed none of the qualities of integrity and honesty that I value most in my candidate.The way she fought lost my vote.
someone actually called Obama Curious
George!!! What a sad way to bond and support your candidate. obama08 whitewoman over 50!!!
Posted by: Kathleen | May 16, 2008 9:53:08 PM
A comment from a Canadian male:
Oh how different this would be if the race was contested by Hillary Rodham and not Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Roger | May 16, 2008 9:42:44 PM
As a young women working in a male dominated profession, I know that Hillary has worked harder than any man in the same position as she is. If she can't break the ultimate glass ceiling, what message is America sending to the rest of the world?
Hillary is more prepared and capable than McCain and Obama; but they always have reasons why a woman can't be the president such as she's not "likable" or "cold" or "What experience does being a first lady give?" All these negative feelings just proves sub-consciously they don't like her because she's a woman.
Clinton is the only president served two terms as a democrat since FDR. Maybe people should themselves why the others failed to be re-elected. Hillary is the real changing agent.
Posted by: Cicie Wang | May 16, 2008 9:09:51 PM
I am a professional woman with a 6 figure income who will never vote for Barack. There were so many times he could've gained my respect, but didn't. He could've worked for a compromise in FL and MI, but he sabotaged the re-votes. He could've taken a stand when Bill was accused of racism, but he didn't. He could've answered the questions aboutt Rev Wright, his patriotism and David Ayers head on, but yet he whined.
Hillary has the integrity and the grit to run this country. If she doesn't get the nomination I will not vote in the election. It won't really matter though, there is no way Barack can take the key states like OH, PA, FL and MO. I
Posted by: SLDEM | May 16, 2008 5:54:40 PM
This is where Obama proves to be the true DIVISIVE candidate. He started his campaign off by being divisive; comparing Bill Clinton to Reagan, all the rude talking points such as the Fatal Attraction comment, claiming racism, insulting voters who support Hillary i.e.; bitter, uneducated, etc. Obama’s campaign is the same old dirty politics of character assassination on a massive scale with a brutal media following suit. The media worked the race card, the Hillary Hate card etc. and Obama gets billed as "Above it all." Including apparently our right to choose our candidate by trying to halt the election he has not won. We are not the media, but we are here, and I believe the media is pushing the rift. That is why the DNC needs to get of it’s you know what, and let the vote continue with Hillary. Re do FL and Michigan. Stop the propaganda to end the vote.
Posted by: irma | May 16, 2008 4:23:41 PM
Okay, but this isn't ALL about us. There are the seniors, Hispanics, working class, lower and middle income, etc. We need an all encompassing push. Any info on that?
Posted by: irma | May 16, 2008 3:59:09 PM
Would be nice if she could use some of those donations to pay off the loans to herself.
Posted by: sweetiePie | May 16, 2008 3:18:26 PM
Your USA ad was superb. I will write-in Hillary if she is not the nominee. I am upset that the media claim the intelligent, well educated and wealthy do not support Hillary. I am retired from NASA/Kennedy Space Center with an MBA. I believe if you are intelligent you will support the best and most experienced candidate...Hillary. Thanks so much for the ad.
Posted by: Connie L. Dobrin | May 16, 2008 2:02:48 PM
Your USA ad was superb. I will write-in Hillary if she is not the nominee. I am upset that the media claim the intelligent, well educated and wealthy do not support Hillary. I am retired from NASA/Kennedy Space Center with an MBA. I believe if you are intelligent you will support the best and most experienced candidate...Hillary. Thanks so much for the ad.
Posted by: Connie L. Dobrin | May 16, 2008 2:01:19 PM
Hi Pam, Is the write in required on a different ballot?
Posted by: irma | May 16, 2008 1:47:56 PM
Pam, I respect your opinion. However, I just want to address one comment that you made. You stated: "Otherwise, we will be a country divided by the rich and poor, with No middle-class any longer."
Right now the top 5% of the nation's wage earners account for 60% of the total income tax revenue; the top 25% of nation's wage earners account for 86% of the total income tax revenue; and the top 50% of the nations wage earners account for 97% of the total income tax revenue. In order to pay for free college education for everyone and to pay for universal health care for everyone the Democrats plan to raise the tax rates of the "wealthy." Evidentally they want the top 25% of the nations wage earners to account for nearly 95% if not 100% of the total income tax revenue. What makes you think that these individuals will continue to pay for the free ride of nearly 75% of the country? If a significant portion retired or worse yet, moved their business abroad, where will the government find the money to continue giving the free ride to the rest of the country? The politicians will come after the middle class! That will shrink the middle class even further.
Now then if you really want a larger middle class, the real answer is the fair tax and eliminate the income tax altogether. Let individuals keep their enitre paycheck. When they go shopping then they will pay the consumption tax.
But you will also need to trash the idea of free rides! "Free" K-12 is already a mess. Do you really think it will get any better by adding four "free" years of college? And "free" universal health care will only push our country to bankruptcy. The current entitlements already have us on the brink of bankrupcy. Imagine what adding another huge entitlement will do!
Posted by: James Danley | May 16, 2008 3:23:08 AM
WHY I WILL BE DOING A WRITE IN VOTE FOR SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT IN THE NOVEMBER 2008 ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. OF AMERICA FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE!
Today I had another call from the Obama Campaign and I am a Clinton Supporter and proud of the fact. This has been going on since October 2007 at least once a month an individual calls from the campaign and begs for money from myself, a person who lives on Social Security Disability a very fixed income of meager status under $800.00 a month. You tell them not to call you politely. Well today was the last straw when again the monthly call arrived today with one of their supporters saying that Senator Obama we all know is the presumptuous nominee for the Democratic Party! No backroom Democratic Old Men are going to sit behind closed doors and tell the Democratic Voter who shall be the nominee for our party, as they state it is the assumption he is going to be the nominee per Senator Obama’s campaign supports script!
As a Democratic Voter I am looking for facts on voting in the Senate, experience in office, education for everyone through to college if they choose, health care plan, a strategic plan out of Iraq, more efficient autos with electric helping to give the driver 100 miles to a gallon of gas, wind power for heating and electric with solar energy as a backup in most of the country, and turning American Auto Manufacturers into efficient autos and trucks for all, so food and goods do not go through the roof, as they have been doing so. Otherwise, we will be a country divided by the rich and poor, with No middle-class any longer.
Therefore, no assumptions about who the candidate for the Democratic ticket is before the Convention is over, folks.
You see that Senator Clinton won West Virginia by a landslide Tuesday and she is still going strong today! She will continue to the convention and we the people will make the decision, not some of Senator Obama’s old democratic cronies behind locked doors who want to choose the nominee for us, not the media, or celebrate. We voters will think for ourselves as to who is the best candidate for our situation in America. Every vote needs to count at the Democratic Convention, that means Florida and Michigan votes will count!
“HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT 2008.” Learn how to do a Write In Vote, see how the November pollsters like counting these honest votes. No computer problems with a write-in-vote, like in 2000 & 2004 Presidential Elections.
Truly,
Ms. Pamela Ann Walsh – MOB (Mother’s Opposing Barack)
Formerly Mother’s Opposing Bush - MOB
Posted by: Pam | May 15, 2008 9:05:16 PM
What a shame!
Posted by: lordmi | May 15, 2008 9:02:16 PM
WHY I WILL BE DOING A WRITE IN VOTE FOR SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT IN THE NOVEMBER 2008 ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. OF AMERICA FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE!
Today I had another call from the Obama Campaign and I am a Clinton Supporter and proud of the fact. This has been going on since October 2007 at least once a month an individual calls from the campaign and begs for money from myself, a person who lives on Social Security Disability a very fixed income of meager status under $800.00 a month. You tell them not to call you politely. Well today was the last straw when again the monthly call arrived today with one of their supporters saying that Senator Obama we all know is the presumptuous nominee for the Democratic Party! No backroom Democratic Old Men are going to sit behind closed doors and tell the Democratic Voter who shall be the nominee for our party, as they state it is the assumption he is going to be the nominee per Senator Obama’s campaign supports script!
As a Democratic Voter I am looking for facts on voting in the Senate, experience in office, education for everyone through to college if they choose, health care plan, a strategic plan out of Iraq, more efficient autos with electric helping to give the driver 100 miles to a gallon of gas, wind power for heating and electric with solar energy as a backup in most of the country, and turning American Auto Manufacturers into efficient autos and trucks for all, so food and goods do not go through the roof, as they have been doing so. Otherwise, we will be a country divided by the rich and poor, with No middle-class any longer.
Therefore, no assumptions about who the candidate for the Democratic ticket is before the Convention is over, folks.
You see that Senator Clinton won West Virginia by a landslide Tuesday and she is still going strong today! She will continue to the convention and we the people will make the decision, not some of Senator Obama’s old democratic cronies behind locked doors who want to choose the nominee for us, not the media, or celebrate. We voters will think for ourselves as to who is the best candidate for our situation in America. Every vote needs to count at the Democratic Convention, that means Florida and Michigan votes will count!
“HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT 2008.” Learn how to do a Write In Vote, see how the November pollsters like counting these honest votes. No computer problems with a write-in-vote, like in 2000 & 2004 Presidential Elections.
Truly,
Ms. Pamela – MOB (Mother’s Opposing Barack)
Formerly Mother’s Opposing Bush - MOB
Posted by: Pam | May 15, 2008 8:58:11 PM
Anna, fair enuf. But Senator Obama is breaking a ceiling of his own, and some might suggest it was made of far sturdier material than glass. That's not to denigrate Senator Clinton's accomplishments or her candidacy. It's just the way things turned out.
More importantly, she does not have a better chance in the GE. One interesting date point? McCain does equally well with 'hard working white' voters when facing Clinton or Obama. Her advantage in that regard is mostly smoke. As for 'best prepared', I'm not sure what you mean. But if you're talking about the ability to put together a successful primary campaign? The Obama team has been the superior unit throughout. As for helping kids and families reach their dreams? I'd suggest Obama and Clinton are not all that different when it comes to their desire to effect the change necessary to make that occur.
Last? Criticism does not equal misogyny any more than it equals racism. Both sides have been guilty of trying to conflate one and the other. But in the end, identity politics is a cul-de-sac of dubious value.
Posted by: Harley Peyton | May 15, 2008 1:26:23 PM
When a woman is the best prepared, appeals to the broadest base, has a long record that shows her priorities to help kids and families reach their dreams, and has the better chance for taking the GE, but a biased and misogynistic press continues to make demeaning comments about her, sure women get angry. Of course women need to speak up for her candidacy. She's breaking the glass ceiling for us and for our daughters.
Posted by: anna shane | May 15, 2008 12:41:01 PM
Cindy, one more thing. Politics is frequently about illusions and images, that's the way the game is played. So, as Dana Milbank reported last week, when Hillary got off a plane in Charleston and waved to the adoring crowd, what you didn't see is that there WAS no adoring crowd, just a group of reporters and cameramen. And when she did the classic point and wave -- ie 'Hey, dear friend, nice to see you! -- she was in fact pointing at the political aide who only minutes before was sitting next to her on the plane.
Suggesting that one candidate manipulates images and illusions while the other remains pristine? That's naive and counterproductive.
Posted by: Harley Peyton | May 15, 2008 10:16:41 AM
Given the vast difference in HIllary and McCain's policy positions -- choice, the war in Iraq, the economy, Supreme Court appointments, etc. -- anyone who boasts they're voting for one or the other is using that vote as an expression of bitterness and disappointment, a self-defeating exercise in self-entitled myopia that accomplishes nothing -- oh, wait, except perhaps a continuation of the Bush administration's policies for another eight years.
At some point, I'd think and hope, people would put their country's benefit ahead of their own finely honed sense of grievance.
Posted by: Harley Peyton | May 15, 2008 10:07:14 AM
It's all about images and illusions with Obama.
Hillary kicks his butt in WV, clearly showing small-town Americans don't relate to him or his policies.
So what does Obama do? Suddenly announces John Edwards endorsement. The man that has stood for small town.
I don't think Edwards will help among those of us that already have a firm opinion of Obama.
The images of huge rallies,swooning,
fainting,Oprah,Kennedy...Obama telling America he never knew what went on in his radical church (with 10 flags behind him).
Small town America can always spot a phony. It's called common sense.
Go Hillary or McCain
Posted by: cindy in nc | May 15, 2008 9:27:46 AM
Democracy is a tough job isn't it?
I remember when Al Gore said to the voters " I will work hard for you every day". And What did the media try to sell to people? Bush as the image of the lover. So there you are, the "lover" versus the "hard worker".
We kind of like to identify ourselves with the figure of the "godlike" or the "starlike" quality we want from a leader. Which is quite normal.
But how to recognize the reality of those qualities and not just an image put out to attract the voters? In this case, OB plays with the qualities that can make him likeable. He is praised by the media as a brilliant speaker. Which he is not when he is in a debate with HC. He doesn't want to debate with her anymore.
And also I remember the website put up by his supporters with the homepage filled with his portraits mutiplied up to fill in the entire page. People fainted when attending a rally. Not everyone buy into that. Youth certainly love this kind of things.I find that scary, because it looks like magic. Many of HC supporters dread this kind of performance and may grow to dislike what he represents, his supporters agressivity only reinforce the wrong feeling about him.
He is promoted in the news media in a way to make him look like a golden boy whereas HC is a hardworking candidate, even her supporters are poor and from lower classes. This is what the media keeps repeating at every poll results.
The ingredients are there to make the parallalel between OB as the lucky good star figure like Bush, and HC as the villain hard worker like Al Gore. Different times, different party, different people but same old ingredients. Are the festivities going to produce the same outcome? Bad choice, bad policy.
And now they want to seal the deal, the winner and the looser, and the superDs already lining up for the share of the future success. I find HC very courageous and also her supporters, because they share her cause and I find that admirable.
The SuperDs that have not pronounced their support yet ought to question the nature of HC supporters reluctancy to support OB.
No, not racism as such, but there is empathy for HC and the rebelled feeling of unjustice done to her. And they cannot approve that negative when they are out there to vote for a better future of their country.
Beside, we are in a phase of turmoil in terms of the world change and the traditional values being put into question. Oh yeah, youth is going for change and renewal, is that right!
Communism is done with, no one wants it. But our financial capitalism has not proven completely safe. Work is a value that is devaluating more everyday. Working classes suffer for real. So the old people who have spent their life working hard to send their kids to school are not buying easily into the money money candidacy. Women who have a tough time dealing with poorly paid jobs and raising kids and keeping their homes alive, know what that means to work hard to survive day in day out. All the males who are a bit realistic to see through with some rationale go for Hc.
All these supporters share something with their candidate. Don't look down on them as loosers, as uneducated voters. Not every one like HC for her looks or what have you, but she carries that touch of humanity her supporters can understand, her fight, her hope to fulfill her goal through this campaign; she carries that fire that her supporters share.
Beyond sexism, she is a real figure more than OB, for all she has endured through this campaign. She sets more of an example for many americans.
Posted by: Jane | May 15, 2008 8:49:37 AM
What a shame they have to dog pile on Hillary after her big victory last night. They must have had Edwards ready to trot out to steal her thunder and distract from Obama's big problem....hard working middle Americans. You know, that group that typically votes in the next President. All the endorsements BO gets (usually after a Hillary victory) haven't helped him close the deal with voters yet, and Edwards will be no different! Why do they keep deluding themselves...they have a problem with BO as the nom. I have been all around the blogsphere and Hillary defectors to McCain camp IS REAL. Someone ought to do a story about that, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM!
Posted by: Debra | May 15, 2008 2:54:07 AM
The prinicples are at stake and rural Americans are upholding those high principles of living.
They see through those hot air by party pundits. The party pundits are against the people. They manipulate. They squander and then make people foot their bills.
No way. We have a fighter all the way.
Go Hillary. We only have one life to live. We have our dream and we work on it.
The empty suit just brags about it and then underneath we see Rev Wright and sorts snickering.
We live through it. We can't let WHITE HOUSE TURN INTO DARK HOUSE. The rookie is not for war time because they fumbles with lives. The rookie is not for economic recession. This rookie has never been a governor, he is just a lawyer, and no administration credential.
He is just hot air with bambastic high-flown language. The fundamentals are not there. He is living in a country of 57 states. This is the type that the party leaders sticking down our throat.
Before any primary, they are arranging those non-players to interfere. Up theirs and down the party.
Posted by: John_Lai | May 15, 2008 1:55:00 AM
What a bunch of suckers we are!
Our votes are blatantly up for sale!
Isn't that a sad state of affairs?
Whatever happened to good olde
democracy?
Down with the DNC!!
I've grown to hate it!
I'll vote for Hillary
even if I have to write it in!
Posted by: QUESTIONER | May 15, 2008 1:48:59 AM
Barb in MN, you are so right. It is unexcusable and inexplicable why these endorsements have been so early. Sounds like a lot of lightweights trying to be "somebody" and a lot of cowards wanting to make sure they are on the priority list. From early on, the old-time losers like Kerry wanted to prop Obama up in order to make something of themselves. Oprah gave him a platform and financial support for reasons unknown and made a big splash. And then, when teenagers were threatening their parents, we got more endorsements from poeple who should know better who wanted to be hip.
People still don't know much about Obama, but they HOPE he'll be a great president. I've never seen anything like this. However, there are some disturbing similarities between the campaign of 2000 and this one -- and I mean Obama = Bush.
Posted by: cappamore | May 15, 2008 1:00:41 AM
Hillary was a terrible candidate. She is a terrible speaker, is an awful human being, and has a history of being terrible for women and minorities. She should get out of the way so that a great woman candidate can have a shot at it next time. Kathleen Sebelius the governor of Kansas is a good example. Real executive experience - no history of bashing woman who Bill has flashed or worse.
Posted by: disambiguates | May 15, 2008 12:53:51 AM
This rush to call the race and unify the party is preventing the voters’ voices from being heard. How can we tell anymore who’s switching their support to Obama for the sake of party unity and who actually thinks he’d make the better president?
Why can’t the move to unify the party happen after everyone has voted?
Deciding to endorse RIGHT NOW in order to unify the party – IMO – is as lame as endorsing because your grandkids think Obama is cool.
Posted by: Barb in MN | May 15, 2008 12:41:28 AM
TO--countallthevotes--I been saying this for months, Rezko and Obama are both guilty. There had to be a reason Rezko paid $625,000 for a vacant lot so Obama could have his mansion. It was either a bribe or pay-off or both.
The Tribune have indept info about the Rezko/Obama connection they are not printing. Akelrod was with the Tribune before running Obama's campaign and maybe influencing the paper. Obama refuse to answer all questions about the association.
Posted by: Mary | May 15, 2008 12:35:50 AM
harley peyton:
the party sucks!
the country is more important than
the party!
viva la Hillary!
Posted by: earful | May 15, 2008 12:31:29 AM
Jgaw,
In a word, no. The thing is, I don't see this as a zero sum game. One doesn't have to tear down one candidate in order to lift up the other. The party's larger prospects are of far greater importance than the wounded feelings of supporters on either side.
Posted by: Harley Peyton | May 15, 2008 12:07:06 AM
countallthevotes,
thanks
goodnight
Posted by: jgaw | May 14, 2008 11:59:19 PM
Vit and jgaw,
The rezko-auchi-obama story has had in depth coverage in the London Times for some time now. I think that may have everything to do with the fact that Auchi is a London resident and a billionarie many times over. Note, Auchi also was Sadam Hussein's financial planner and bag man. I am busy tomorrow but will post the links when I get a chance. Definitely reputable and verified. Also the Chicago Tribune has covered most of this also.
Things to watch for:
Rezko trial has gone to the jury. Looks very bad for Rezko. He presented no defense whatsoever, not one witness. That is a bad sign. Rezko can still enter into a plea deal until the jury returns a verdict. So watch for that.
If Rezko decides to take his chances with the jury and is found guilty, he has another opportunity to cooperate. He gets points for cooperation and sentencing in federal court is really based on points. Great incentive for him to cooperate.
If Rezko does not cooperate and is thereafter sentenced, he has yet another opportunity to do so. The Gov can bring him back before the court based on "substantial cooperation" and get a reduction in his sentence. Of course, the greater cooperation, the greater the sentence reduction.
I do believe, based on my readings from reputable sources, that more indictments will be handed down. Rezko is just the tip of the iceberg.
Obama is in jeopardy because of his very longtime professional, financial and social relationship with Rezko and Rezko with Auchi. All you need show is that Auchi's money to rezko funded Obama's purchase of that house and he is done, finito!!
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 14, 2008 11:48:10 PM
I really have to hand it to many of the posters here - you're pretty darn creative.
Creative at coming up with some of the most distorted logic that can be found anywhere on the internet.
Posted by: dennis | May 14, 2008 11:40:36 PM
jgaw, I think the GOP and right-wing radio will make sure it will. FOX will be the first and then MSNBC/CNN will have no other choice. And I was in the checkout today and the Globe had on the cover, Obama Gay Sex Scandal.
Posted by: Vi | May 14, 2008 11:34:37 PM
harley,
are the stories told in such publications about sen. clinton true?
Posted by: jgaw | May 14, 2008 11:25:32 PM
jgaw,
Wait, I can answer that. It won't make it to the MSM or TV as it is poorly sourced character assassination lacking any factual basis.
So, there's that.
Posted by: harley Peyton | May 14, 2008 11:19:44 PM
vi,
i read this the first time you put this up.
i wonder when the msm will break this story?
will this make it to tv?
Posted by: jgaw | May 14, 2008 11:16:07 PM
Obama says we have 57 states, that farming experts are needed in Bagdad and he can remember being born in Hawaii. His father's brother told reporters several years ago that Obama was born in Kenya and this was backed up by the Kenya govt. His mother simply completed an Hawaii birth certificate form months later because she was not about to ever live in Kenya and wanted her child to be American born. Makes sense but is it legal?
There is certainly alot of questions about this politician, his background and honesty. I don't consider him honest and will not ever vote for him.
Posted by: Mary | May 14, 2008 11:00:16 PM
I have put this link up twice the free speech police must be out in force tonight. Curtain Time For Obama, very long but very interesting.
Posted by: Vi | May 14, 2008 10:57:42 PM
Erica, gasoline is high because of the free market. Supply is down and demand is high. The Democrats offer nothing that will ease the pain of the high price of gas. Instead their plans will only drive up the cost of gas. They want to raise the federal tax on gasoline $1-$3. They have advocated, for years, that we Americans should be paying the same price as Europeans ($6-$8 per gallon). But they also want to implement a windfall tax on the oil companies' profits. The oil companies use their profits for exploration, new drilling and distribution of oil, in addition to passing on some of the profits to their share holders. So with less exploration, less drilling and less ability to distribute the oil, supply can only decrease -- which will drive up the price of gasoline.
We are in this mess because the Democrats and the environmentalist refuse to allow drilling in Anwar, off the west coast and some areas of the Gulf Coast. They continue to block building of new refineries. AND if that isn't enough, these same groups have forced states to include additives in the gasoline. Some states have different additives for winter and summer. This requires the refineries to shut down twice a year in order to change from winter to summer gasoline and back to winter gasoline. When you shut down the refineries you lower the supply -- driving up the price of gasoline.
What we need is to open up drilling and building new refineries. This will increase the supply and make us less dependant on OPEC's oil, and drive the price of gasoline DOWN. At the same time, we need to increase production of hybrid cars and autos that use alternative fuels -- but ethanol is a bad idea. The greater production of ethanol as a fuel is one of the forces driving the price of food worldwide; and one study indicates that it really isn't any cleaner than gasoline. Hydrogen appears to be one of the best alternative fuels. Most hybrids use electricity up to 25 mph, and then the gasoline engine kicks in above that. The auto industry needs to work on increasing the change to at least 40 mph; but at the same time increasing the auto charging of the electric battery so that it does not require recharging overnight by plugging it into an outlet. Once they do that, sales of hybrids will go through the roof. Selling of hybrids and autos using alternative fuels will lower the demand for gasoline, which drives the price DOWN.
Posted by: James Danley | May 14, 2008 10:53:09 PM
Oh, geeze, Miss Manners. I'll be more diplomatic.
Debra, might you possible enlighten us as to your definition of 'true American' and why Senator Obama does not qualify thusly?
Better? (Previously comment was deleted for being overly combative. Ahem.)
Posted by: Harley Peyton | May 14, 2008 10:50:19 PM
jgaw,
I agree with you 100%. I cannot imagine what the DNC is thinking. I could never support the DNC candidates as I did in the past after the treatment of HRC and the disrespect to Bill Clinton and their supporters. It has been shocking to me.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 14, 2008 10:09:42 PM
Erica....you got it. I want a true American at the helm that will keep us safe....that ain't BO.
Posted by: Debra | May 14, 2008 10:04:51 PM
Debra --
Love your McCain loyalty. Guess you're down for more war, increasing gas prices, and loading up the Supreme Court with ultra conservatives. And for what? Because Hillary, as smart as she is and politics aside, ran a mismanaged campaign that couldn't close the deal? Maybe you're kumbaya for a $5 gallon of gas, but me no can do.
Posted by: Erica | May 14, 2008 9:37:36 PM
Megan, your post is directed at the conduct of Bill Clinton. Hillary is in no way responsible for her husband's actions. Give me a break.
Apparently, Hillary supporters can't talk about race or gender or anything except for how great O blah blah blah is.
Posted by: 57 states and counting | May 14, 2008 9:35:28 PM
Mrs. Clinton angered the party elite and lost their support. Her motive for continuing is unclear. Given her keen intellect, there is probably a very good reason. The logic may be more fully appreciated @ the Dem Convention.
Posted by: texasdemocrat | May 14, 2008 9:34:17 PM
57 states and counting wrote:
Barack Obama passed off a reporter today in Michigan, and she seemed less than amused by his name for her.
"Hold on one second there, sweetie," he says.
The reporter signed off: "This sweetie never did get an answer to that question.
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When you're supporting anything Clinton, you just can't criticize on sexual inappropriateness. Shall I count the ways?
Posted by: Megan | May 14, 2008 9:29:17 PM
Moonstruck?
Insulting the opponents' supporters--many of whom are women--is a really stupid way to conduct an appeal for "patience"
That one word is a turn-off, and it shows me that this is not about "letting voters have their say" it's about trying to overturn the say of voters who have already decided and found HRC wanting.
Posted by: Irene | May 14, 2008 9:28:07 PM
The LA Times reports today that even after presidential hopeful Barack Obama made a show of standing up to Washington insiders by returning donations from lobbyists, he received help raising campaign money from at least two of them.Even as he shuns donations from lobbyists, Obama has taken more than $1.4 million this year from law and consultancy firms that have partners who are registered to lobby, a Times analysis of Obama's fundraising shows. He has received hundreds of thousands more from corporate executives while turning down money from their
Posted by: girlinvt | May 14, 2008 9:27:16 PM
Hillary is being pushed out of the election by voters you can blame everyone, party leaders,the media, santa claus, but the truth is that in the nomination process, that all the candidates agreed to when it began, more people have voted for Obama.
Posted by: fool me once | May 14, 2008 9:26:58 PM
I wonder why do the dem. bigwigs think sen. clinton supporters will come to support obama after what they have done to sen. clinton?
Posted by: jgaw | May 14, 2008 9:18:07 PM
I think the msm and the bigwigs in the dem party are going to be shocked in the fall with the backlash about this primary season.
everyone knows the msm has been in the tank for obama and done nothing but trashed sen. clinton. the woman can't even cry. she is human, and I hope the dem. party has it's head handed to it in the fall, and the msm are left with their jaws on the floor.
obama is not a leader.
the msm is saying sen. clinton supporters will come to support obama in the fall.
this one will not
Posted by: jgaw | May 14, 2008 9:16:26 PM
I love how Richardson thinks Dems need to come together to sing Kumbaya and heal.....yeah, right. NOT. I'll be singing Kumbaya with the McCain camp, when Hillary is pushed out.
Posted by: Debra | May 14, 2008 9:14:46 PM
This is nothing more than bitterness leavened with stupidity. Nothing they do, nothing, will change the outcome. The Obama campaign has been both kind and wise to insist that Senator Clinton has every right to continue. And she does. But that's no reason for the media or anyone else to abide the larger fiction. Right now it feels as though we're going to endure three more weeks of this so that someone's feelings won't get hurt. Given the larger goal of the party -- to defeat John McCain in November -- this seems counterproductive, particularly when much of that time will be spent listening to increasingly desperate Clinton surrogates attempt to make the case that the party's presumptive nominee cannot win.
It's time for Allida Black and others like her -- shout out to Jeralyn Merritt! -- to stop acting like self-entitled children and more like Democrats.
Posted by: Harley Peyton | May 14, 2008 9:12:24 PM
50% of AMERICANS THINK OBAMA SHARES REV. WRIGHT'S VIEW.....WHY CAN'T HE CLOSE THE DEAL?....EDWARDS WON'T HELP HIM IN THE GENERAL. GIVE THE BLACK GUY A PASS IS ALL THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ABOUT, AND SCR-- HILLARY! THE MEDIA HAS BEEN MERCILESS TOWARDS HER. THERE WILL BE A GROUNDSWELL OF HER SUPPORTERS THAT WILL MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD. I AM GLAD I AM AN AMERICAN FIRST AND A PARTY LOYALIST LAST. DOWN WITH BO!
Posted by: Debra | May 14, 2008 9:11:40 PM
LL Barra....me too, they took my post off and there was nothing malicious in it. What's up? Less moderating please.
Posted by: Debra | May 14, 2008 9:02:44 PM
I am disgusted with Edwards grandstanding taking away from Hillary's big win last night. Who gives a - about Edwards groveling for VP spot. They are so darn scared about the working class whites, like Edwards is really going to change their minds. THEY AREN'T. TRUE AMERICAN HILLARY SUPPORTERS NEED TO UNITE AND DEFECT. LET'S ALL WORK TO ELECT McCAIN!!!! OBAMA IS POISON FOR THIS COUNTRY. I AM DISGUSTED AT EDWARDS AND WENT TO HIS WEB SITE TO TELL HIM SO. HILLARY SUPPORTERS DO THE SAME. EVERYTIME SHE GETS AN INCH AHEAD THEY THROW AN ENDORSEMENT OUT FOR CURIOUS GEORGE.....I PRAY 75% OF HER SUPPORTERS BECOME "McCAIN DEMOCRATS"!!! HILLARY WILL STAY IN THIS AND LETS SEE REVOLT IN OREGON AND GET HER A WIN THERE!!!!!!!
KY BETTER STAY FIRM IN THEIR SUPPORT TOO.
Posted by: Debra | May 14, 2008 8:59:53 PM
Obama will loose in general election, because there are no caucuses in general election.
Posted by: Gee | May 14, 2008 8:57:55 PM
Edwards' wife, Elizabeth, who has said she thinks Clinton has the superior health care plan, did not travel with him to Michigan and is not part of the endorsement.
Posted by: 57 states and counting | May 14, 2008 8:51:02 PM
I hope that HC feels that her life as a Democrat is at an end and look to a bigger cause and form a 3rd party. She has enough supports to pull this off. That would be a new day in America politics.
Posted by: esvida | May 14, 2008 8:34:38 PM
countallthevotes:
I got the same email from Edwards as the rally was still going on. I promptly unsubscribed from all Edwards emails. I have other resources for helping people in need.
Posted by: cappamore | May 14, 2008 8:27:09 PM
Barack Obama passed off a reporter today in Michigan, and she seemed less than amused by his name for her.
"Hold on one second there, sweetie," he says.
The reporter signed off: "This sweetie never did get an answer to that question."
Posted by: 57 states and counting | May 14, 2008 8:22:14 PM
Hillary is to good for the democrats, they are a bunch of back stabbers. If Mccain was smart he would pick Hillary as his running mate.
Posted by: Tina from Florida | May 14, 2008 8:10:11 PM
Thanks, Bishop! I was looking for some info on that!
Posted by: Bishop | May 14, 2008 8:08:41 PM
Just one more point. It is also possible that some of Edwards' delegates have ALREADY publicly switched from Edwards to someone else (either Hillary or Barack). Accordingly, they would already be counted in any current delegate totals, thereby reducing the net number of delegates moving from Edwards to (purportedly) Obama at this time. I.e., any purported gain would not be as large as you think.
Posted by: Get real | May 14, 2008 8:00:39 PM
To quote another blog (sorry, Rick): "My guess is he will tell any delegates he has left that they can vote for who they want, or he could endorse someone and tell his delegates to vote for that person. But it doesn't matter from a ru