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I'm only about a year late to this thread, but it's come to the fore again as Obama is to travel to Buchenwald in June.

To my understanding, it was never officially substantiated that his grandmother's brother, Charles Payne, participated in the liberation of Ohrdruf.

And as for the many liberal complaints above that no one should look into the veracity of any of Obama's claims, I do remember a rather big stink being made about the most minute details of George Bush's military service records.

All we want is the truth, yes?

Actually, according to the Kansas State Historical Society database, Charles T. Payne served in the Navy.

I used to be a conservative Republican. Now I am an independent. I will support Obama,even though I may disagree with his positions, simply because the theocratic right wing fringe is becoming distinctly fascist.

BMS's post of May 29, 2008 11:50:15 PM pretty much says it all. To those out there trying to assassinate the character of anyone that gets in the way of their views, rather than look at reality - you belong in a totalitarian state not a free country... You should, as someone else here has already posted, take a hard look in the mirror. Your freedom to speak in my view is also attached to your responsibility to speak with care and from your conscience, not from your talking points. There is a huge difference you know... And to those who say anything goes because Obama is running for President, I say whatever standard applies to him, applies to you and what you say. So before you get out there with half truths, and out and out made up stuff, check your facts. You all know who I am pointing to...

I am continually dismayed at the ignorance of and self-rightous venom spewed by the right-wing masses.....

Obama is a fabulist. According to the Chicago Sun Times, 'his first book used composite characters, ficticious names and reams of dialogue that only approximate the actual conversation.' He is now attempting to burnish his military bona fides with the experiences of his relatives. Worse yet Obama has consistently embellished their deeds as well.

He embellished his role as a community organizer, pretended he was a professor, took credit for legislation that others had worked on for years and now this.
Obama inflates all his so-called accomplishments.

So Obama's tale checked out? Does that include the main part of the tale where Obama claimed his 'uncle' (actually his great uncle) hid in the attic for half a year after returning from the war? Sure he did.

I think Kitchell's response was uncalled for. When someone is running for President, everything he (or she) says will be under scrutiny. If the Democrats aren't checking McCain's facts, I'd be surprised.

Jake, Obama's point in the Memorial Day address was that sixty years ago, Great Uncle Charlie's PTSD could not be treated because people knew so little about the condition then. His challenge to us and the US government was and is what are we doing, today, with all our knowledge, with the servicemen and women returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead of you picking up that challenge, you veered right and focused on Uncle Charlie's war record. Even if the story didn't check out why are you not reporting on the real issue: Hundreds of thousands of servicemen homeless? Shame on you!

"Perhaps that sort of cheap prograganda works on uneducated types but the rest of us can see right through it.'

Perhaps my dear Jen you should read Obama's books, and the definition of propaganda.

The responses from some the posters at this forum regarding this article and Steve Gilbert's request for the information regarding Charles Payne, simply show that they are ill informed, stupid and smug about it.
No where on the Sweetness $ Light site was Mr. Payne ridiculed or belittled.
Mr. Kitchell's responses to a very polite E-mail were childish and unprofessional, I for one thank him for his service to his country, but that does not mean he deserves a pass for being a complete buffoon.

No, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was NOT nice, and it WAS an act of terrorism to terrorize the Japanese into surrendering by a massive killing of Japanese civilians. Rev. Wright may be crazy, but he was absolutely right about that.

Posted by: John McBomb

Dear Democrats, please run on this. It's a winner. Snicker Snort Snort.

The reason O brought up his uncle (grand uncle, jeez, whatev) is because it was MEMORIAL DAY. Get a grip.

These right wing thugs who work for Bush and McCain are disgusting. Why won't Bush and McCain support our troops and vote for the GI Bill?

If Obama proved himself to be more trustworthy maybe he wouldn't be questioned so much. Once again he didn't bother to get his facts straight.

With his new flag pin, and a huge cross on his "faith fliers", big rallies,etc.
Obama seems very caught up in images and sympathy votes.

Bringing up his uncle looked like just another attempt to win over voters.

Sorry..but many Americans just don't trust Obama.

Obama grew up in Hawaii hearing family stories about his uncle and other family members in Kansas. Family stories often hold basic truth, but pick up confused details as the years pass. The point was that his own family had been affected by the horrors of war. The RNC was so eager to find and jump on a "lie" that they missed the truth and in the process denigrated a WWII vet who is well into his 80's. The vet they contacted to try to disprove the uncle's experience is also well into his 80's and he's heard it all before---but from neo nazis and holocaust deniers. And he's sick and tired of it. Maybe if you were there and saw the horrors with your own eyes, you get impatient with ignorance after 60 years. My old granny hit idiots with her back scratcher. The republican attack machine--and that was the reason for the inquiries--got off kind of easy. If they'd gone after my granny, they'd have knots on their noggins.

Pathetic that Obama's detractors are trying to leverage him merely misspeaking by claiming he lied even at the same time many of them lie by calling Ayers a "close friend",Wright a "mentor".

Perhaps that sort of cheap prograganda works on uneducated types but the rest of us can see right through it.

Great response by Kitchell. Gilberts's email with its agenda of trying to diminish/swiftboat a soldier in order to get at Obama, was socially inappropriate and intrusive.

So Kitchell called him on it and refused to play the game. Kitchell already talked to politifact and other news folks. He doesn't need to give the time of day to partisan mudslingers.

The vet group needs to get innto reality, they were not questioning the service of the Uncle if he did serve, they were question where he served and that is it.

What we are not allowed to ask questions about Obama.

Then we should not be allowed to vote for him!!

This all boils down to trust; people no longer trust Obama to tell the truth. He presented himself as a Washington outsider and now he is showing us that he is just a regular politician.