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McCain is a tainted meat patty. He should be recalled.

When McCain wins in November, it's not because voters like him that much. He has problems with the social conservatives and independents don't think he's really that "maverick."

McCain will win because people will vote against Obama. The conservatives will come out in full force to vote against ultra-lib Obama. 25% of Hillary supporters are voting for McCain (others are staying home), and he has 1/2 the independents. That's why McCain looks happy these days.

Posted by: Juju | Jun 20, 2008 12:09:45 PM

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Yes Juju, McCain can smile and I say too darn bad Dem's you kicked your own butt!

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HP Boston said: McCain will win because people will vote against Obama. The conservatives will come out in full force to vote against ultra-lib Obama. 25% of Hillary supporters are voting for McCain (others are staying home), and he has 1/2 the independents. That's why McCain looks happy these days.

LOL!!!!!!!! This is too funny. You really think this old fart is going to win? Seriously now.

Posted by: Dennis in Orlando, FL | Jun 22, 2008 3:12:59 PM
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Nope those were JUJU words I can not take credit for her spot on opinion.
I simply agree wholeheartedly.

Posted by: HP Boston | Jun 20, 2008 2:39:20 PM

HP Boston said: McCain will win because people will vote against Obama. The conservatives will come out in full force to vote against ultra-lib Obama. 25% of Hillary supporters are voting for McCain (others are staying home), and he has 1/2 the independents. That's why McCain looks happy these days.

LOL!!!!!!!! This is too funny. You really think this old fart is going to win? Seriously now.

The Republicans have more that fear and smear in their bag of tricks, they also have deceit and misrepresentation. McCain is making the claim that offshore drilling will provide short term energy relief, but govt estimates are that if approved today, it wouldn't have much impact before the 2030s. He also misrepresents Obama as being anti nuclear, while the truth is Obama is for using nuclear as part of a package of alternatives. A McCain ad is suggesting that he is pro alternative energy, but it's a lie. He only favors centralized alternatives like nukes, he opposes alternatives that encourage individual citizens to be energy independent, like wind, solar, geothermal and hydrogen exchange batteries.

John McCain debates himself daily......He has flip flopped on almost every single issue.

How can he debate Sen Obama when he hasn't finished debating himself.

John MCCain of 2000 would NOT support or vote for John McSame of 2008

You might want to change the title. When I first glanced at it I thought it read "Is McCain Brain Damaged".

2 days ago:

In front of a sea of news cameras at a press conference earlier today, when senior House Democrats discussed the ongoing energy crisis that has spun out of control on their watch, Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) dropped this bombshell as he stood next to House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (D-IL): He proposed a Washington takeover of the entire oil industry!...

Another step by the ultra liberals to completely socialize America!

dl:

That's what kills me about this particular election season. People are formulating opinions about a candidate based on media soundbytes, not on the issues. Do some research independently before voting. It's called being informed.

LOL at the character issues. You're telling me Hillary and her family don't have twice as many character issues to deal with? You people really confirm the belief that Americans are nuts. No wonder other countries shakes their heads at our political system and foreign policy blunders.

Yeah, put Obama in office. Then sit back and watch this country tank. Obama is going to be Carter's 2nd term. The man has no idea what he is getting himself into, and just likes the idea of saying he is the first black pres. So go ahead and vote for Obama, and then start saving all the money you can, because our taxes are going to rise very fast.

He can come on TV and say anything since there is no backing for anything he says.

Posted by: smartprimate | Jun 20, 2008 2:39:01 PM

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AND Obama has the money to BUY the

whole shebang!

When McCain wins in November, it's not because voters like him that much. He has problems with the social conservatives and independents don't think he's really that "maverick."

McCain will win because people will vote against Obama. The conservatives will come out in full force to vote against ultra-lib Obama. 25% of Hillary supporters are voting for McCain (others are staying home), and he has 1/2 the independents. That's why McCain looks happy these days.

Posted by: Juju | Jun 20, 2008 12:09:45 PM

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Yes Juju, McCain can smile and I say too darn bad Dem's you kicked your own butt!

In the quiet of the voting booth... the right will eventually vote for McCain; the left will vote for Obama and the middle will vote for the one they feel represents their values.

McCain is floundering right now because he is opposing a "blank slate" that has no defined values but the commercial trademarked key worded persona created by a political strategist. To the cynical pol, he is the perfect candidate: half white, half black, no pesky legislative history, no history of opinions.... and on and on. He can come on TV and say anything since there is no backing for anything he says.

WOULDN'T THAT BE GREAT THOUGH!

Hillary back in the race ....... but not with B O ;-)

Why are you still harping on Hillary? I thought she was out of this thing. Or are you worried that maybe she isn't?

Given a clear need for a different base, his only hope is Hillary Clinton who manages to keep her supporters without dividing them. Remember, she isn't campaigning. She is sitting pat on a flush hand. Obama is gaffing and creating doubt.

Posted by: len | Jun 20, 2008 12:51:05 PM

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You got that right len................
McCain is my very same non wavering choice. Hillary as a write in is a second choice. There is no other.

SPEAKING OF AGE:

This country is not growing any younger;
treat it gently and with reverence... AND AT ALL COSTS, PROTECT IT!

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!

Obama: Just another politician with a different wrapper.

At this point we need as much change as possible.

Obama is the candidate of change. Change after change after change after change... .

I can't Wait for November when I can vote for John McCain.
I can't wait for November when I will NOT vote for John Kerry.
A woman can have to many Johns!

Honay

I agree. Nothing against McCain. It's just a fact of life. Now is the time for him to get that nice cushy job as a walmart greeter. You know something less stressful and doesn't require much decision making.

You have given us over 50 years of service Mr. McCain. Enjoy you life with the wife. You are filthy rich anyways. go see the world on your dime

I tell you which vp choice is going to do the most damage to the Mccain brand...

Pawlenty (the guy he's focusing on)

this guy is going to reinforce Mccain's great and noble gas tax holiday fiasco...

If you didn't know Pawlenty reduced the states deficit and taxes...by what? drum roll...by cutting back on infrastructure in the state.

Yeah...the same infrastructure that Mccain's gas tax holiday wil damage.

the same infrastructure that pays for levees ...

the same infrastructure that has not been updated correctly in 40 years.

the same infrastructure that includes bridges...

Now what do we know about minnesota's infrastructure...hmmm...that the bridges aren't doing so well...

and why do we know that because one biga** bridge finally collapsed because it was ignored...

thannk you governor Pawlenty... what will you do for America?

oy...now that will damage the McCain brand... good judgement picking the guy ignoring infrastructure when it is one of the biggest issues we face as a country now.

People wake up. McCain is just too old. He can't remember what he said yesterday. I'm old and energetic but I forget things and so does he. He is very thin skin and a danger to our country, Send him back to the Senate where his friends can protect him from the public. Let everyone remember the hero and POW. If he's elected, the memories will be dark. Vote Obama.

McCain has lost his bearings..... confused even.

Well my post was made about comments from someone in 2005.

eyes open

I have met all three of those candidates to which you refer...

I went and heard them speak in small venues...where we got to ask them questions...

Obama does not lie and deceit as yuo like to spin it.

He mis-states on a rare occasion as they all do...he changes his mind on different issues but 99.999 % of the time it has to do with his vision... Mccain has done a 180 on half of the big issues facing us...in less that 2 years...or since he started needing the right wing.

and until you go see them all and listen to all their policies and meet them and here their promises and hear them stumble on answers (as Mccain does when pressed in small groups or makes a joke to take the sting out of his turnabouts)

you really don't kknow what you are talking about.

I forgot to add that Obama isnt the same Obama he was in Feb 2008 . Let alone Jan 2008 , Dec 2007, Nov 2007....you get the point.

could someone explain why the GOP throws Michelle down the stairs when the make the "proud of my country" remark and they give McCain a free pass when he said he didnt love his country.

dont answer
rhetorical question.

GETALIFE:

..."to explain her 10,000 percent profit in 1979 commodity trading? We now know that was a lie told to turn aside accusations that as the Governor's wife she profited .."

THAT'S T E N YEARS?????

NO WONDER YOU'RE NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN!

juju

"low information voters" seem to be making a choice on policy...

you seem to be making a choice on something else.

John McCain is on the wrong side of almost every issue...

he is on the other side from most economists, most foreign policy advisors...and most of all voters.

so get a clue... read about the promises they are both making and do the math with each you will see on almost every issue Obama is the better choice.

and then you yourself may get away from being a "low information voter"

Sorry I was bringing up stuff that happened within the last 10 years.

>>>BigDeal? | Jun 20, 2008 1:12:46 PM

Why are you barfing up stuff about Hillary from thirty years ago which has since been adjudicated and laid to rest many many many times?

Hillary, if you haven't noticed.... is no longer running... so turn your direction finder towards somebody else's life....... like, how about
B O's?

His lies and deceits are much more current than hers... in fact, they're ongoing!

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!!!

To Debra: Thanks! I'm a "she."

To me, it's so clear that anyone (Democrat or Republican) who pays attention to politics should choose McCain. He doesn't have character issues and baggage like the junior senator from Illinois. Unfortunately, the "low information" voters will be bamboozled by Obama's false message of "change" and "hope."

I beleive the Hillary supporters who switches had their eyes opened to what she was really about.

Why do anti-Obama people continue to point out his lies, (which every politician does), and refuse to acknowledge Hillary's AND McCain's lies ?

There you go again, Joe. (gotta love that line). They aren't unstable and/or paranoid. They are every bit as concerned and informed as you are.

This is the point: no one on this list is changing the mind of anyone else on this list. We are all advocates. Some are pros. Some are not. Some are in disguise some are not.

Think of the list like those think tank sessions that PBS used to run with Fred. Jake tosses out the latest 'item' and we chew it up like cows chew grass. Interested parties watch these lists to see if an issue is getting legs and how they will use the various responses for spin in some vector.

It's easy to see this in action in the late night talking head fests where points are recycled as original contributions. These lists are the second and third stomach in the cow. By the time it gets to the CNN, MSNBC or Fox fests, it may be udderly ridiculous but there it is.

And it really does affect the election by indirection. Think karma. It isn't justice. It is causal. It isn't mindless by nature, but it can be by lack of discipline.

So the more anger and divisiveness we excrete, the more of that we'll see on TV. IOW, what you're eating from your plate is what the barnyard allows.

JuJu is smart....I second everything he/she says.

More lies

1. Remember the story she told about studying The Wall Street Journal to explain her 10,000 percent profit in 1979 commodity trading? We now know that was a lie told to turn aside accusations that as the Governor's wife she profited corruptly, her account being run by a lawyer for state poultry interests through a disreputable broker.

She lied for good reason: To admit otherwise would be to confess taking, and paying taxes on, what some think amounted to a $100,000 bribe.

2. The abuse of Presidential power known as Travelgate elicited another series of lies....

3. In the aftermath of the apparent suicide of her former partner and closest confidant, White House Deputy Counsel Vincent Foster... [h]er closest friends and aides, under oath, have been blatantly disremembering this likely obstruction of justice, and may have to pay for supporting Hillary's lie with jail terms.

People wonder, "How can Hillary supporters vote for McCain?" The answer is simple: Character trumps issues.

The POTUS embodies the greatness of our country. McCain is honorable. No one accuses him of being anti-American and influenced by foreign interests.

In contrast, Obama is the product of a corrupt political machine, associates with anti-Americans (Ayers), and funded by shady foreigners (Khalidi, Rezko).

Given a choice between these two characters, I choose McCain.

About Hillary (liar ?)

"She's the most unbelievable actress I have ever met," said a woman who worked on Hillary's Senate campaign. "I remember one time at a Women's Leadership Forum event in New York, thirty of us sat around Hillary, talking about politics. And she said, 'You know, I love this organization, not just because we sit around and talk about politics, but because of the bonds of friendship forming around us.' The way she said it, people were riveted by her performance. But I had gotten to know her, and I could tell she didn't mean it. She has this unbelievable ability to be a liar. She is soulless."

EDWARD KLEIN

I don't think ether of you are racists. I agree he shouldn't get it cuz he's black and thats not the reason I voted for him. Also I didn't call soccer moms unstable although I've been to some games and seen some that are. I'm calling democratic women who will vote for mccain unstable. And what they are doing is nothing more than sexisum in reverse!

One thing is clear from this post -- the comeback from the McBush camp on Kerry's critique in particular -- the campaign staff is about as creative as their candidate (read that as zero!). Their continued attempts at "humorous" comebacks almost constantly fall flat.

Of course, when you have McBush to protect, you have your work cut out for you!

McBush is toast, and it's only the first day of summer!!!

Obama 2008 -- Yes, WE CAN!!!

Geevil

"How come mccain didnt issue his intentions before obama issued his then?'

What are you talking about? McCain agreed it in March,2007 when Obama proposed it. Obama's promises are meaningless. his words are meaningless. Obama is now a certified liar.

ANd if you are a repub you voted for Hillary because she is a woman period thats all I needed to read.

I have never doughted what Hillary stands for. I have also never trusted Hillary since I knew she existed. We can and will do much better than that. Too many scandals under her belt (way more than Obama or McCain).

I read on CNN.com that John Edwards is on Obama's VP list. This doesn't mean he'll be chosen. But if he is, I'm through. Obama says he wants change to come to Washington, but I haven't seen any indication that it will happen. I'm tired of the same people advising him and names coming up as VP choices. I feel I'm in the moving "Groundhog Day". I keep waking up to the same day.

I get it, you are paranoid! Me I'm more worried about Captain Flop blowing up Iran and continuing this neo-con aproach of spreading peace and freedom with the barrle of a gun. Not to mention he WILL countinue Bush economic policy because he can't come up with one on his own. That will drive everyone and this country into the dirt. Lets not get into healthcare, womans rights, consevative juges, gitmo,torture.

JuJu @ 12:09 has it dead right. John Sydney McCain....44th President. NEVER B. Hussein Obama.

"If you ask them what that is you get a list of guilt by association. They are emotionaly attached to a canidate and unstable."

Thanks for making the case, Joe. Go to the soccer moms and tell them they are 'emotionally unstable'. That ought to help.

It isn't guilt by association; it is corrosion by proximity. This isn't a law finals review. It is a flow of information style that acts like water running beneath sand turning the particles in small clusters that then turn the other clusters. The word is 'quicksand'. His supporters cause any empathy with the 18 million he needs to become unstable.

All McCain has to do is keep doing what he has been doing in terms of courting the different groups he needs to understand that changing an opinion when the facts are in is a sign of maturity and that our common needs are greater than our common differences. The ferocity with which the Obama supporters want to 'oust the baby boomers', 'get whitey', blow out the 'old ways', etc. is corrosive. It divides instead of uniting.

Given a clear need for a different base, his only hope is Hillary Clinton who manages to keep her supporters without dividing them. Remember, she isn't campaigning. She is sitting pat on a flush hand. Obama is gaffing and creating doubt.

bhrandon:

So what!

You didn't want Clinton.

Patriot McCain is definitely better
than Big Mouth B O....

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!

The people that always gripe how they don't see how any Clinton supporters/democrats could vote McCain don't get it. We don't trust his values, background, associations, so much that as Americans, we need to feel comfortable about handing over the keys to the white house and our safety.
NEVER OBAMA! I am a Repubican who voted Hillary because I feel she was the strongest candidate. I will now work for McCain....I would have been OK with either of these two winning...but NEVER OBAMA (and don't call me a racist because I doubt his JUDGEMENT/BACKGROUND! If this country gives BO a pass to the WH just because he's black then we deserve what we get. He'll probably be as lucky as O.J. was....we're so desperate to look P.C.

Yes because he agrees with Bush on too many issues. He has flip-flop on too many issues,he will say anything to get elected. The McCain of 2000 is a different McCain of 2008 !!

"The Obama Brand has a problem"
If you ask them what that is you get a list of guilt by association. They are emotionaly attached to a canidate and unstable. They can't find one thing wrong with any of his policies. Maybe healthcare, thats why I went with Obama instead of Hillary anyway so I'll give you guys that one. Oh, and Obama doesn't want to Obliterate Iran. I wounder if Hillary knows she broke an international treaty when she said that?

Irish Gal....Your logic is so flawed, it is ridiculous. McBush...McSame..McWar (pick your choice)"Used" to be a Maverick. Since then he's embraced everything the Far Right loves...John Hagee, Rod Parsley, tax breaks for the VERY WEALTHY, advocating being in Iraq for 100 years. With what soldiers? We have an all-volunteer Army...but if we're grinding them up in two fronts (Afghanistan & Iraq)how long can they be deployed? We've already lowered our Recruiting Standards...lets not forget BLACKWATER...with its sole source contract. Erik Prince and his co-horts have never had to work on a Competitive Bid..Only Sole Source...1.2 Billion per Year...Finally, I wanted to adress the blame on the Democrat "Controlled" Congress.

It is very dishonest and disingenous to say "controlled." The Democrats do have a majority, but not enough members to over-ride a Filibuster or Veto. Same as Congress. Plus, blaming the Democrats for gasoline price increase is ludicrous. China and India have increased demand...it is Supply VS Demand...which is a Free Market principle. EXXON made $40 BILLION in profit last Fiscal Year...don't think that they'll drop their prices to the U.S. while shifting a higher charge to non-USA countries...Also, when they talk about opening up ANWR and Offshore. ANWR has 16 to 20 Billion total "potential" volume. We consume 20 million barrels per day = 7 Billion per Year. So, we're talking about a Maximum amount of Oil of 3 Years...Do the Math and go to an Independent source (NOT Big Oil)...Also, Cheney came out and said that China was drilling off of the shore of Cuba....WRONG....Cheney's office later issued a retraction...but this "false truth" is still getting mileage out of this story--especially Faux Noise Network. Do you actually feel better now than 2000 when BUSH 2 took office? Osama is still on the loose...food prices have gone up...gasoline is way up...we were supposed to fund the Iraq War with Iraqi Oil...what happened to that? Anyone who votes Republican this go around deserves the same CRAP they are peddling for the last 7 1/2 years.

Do I have reservations about Obama? Sure, some. Do I have doubts about McCain? None whatsoever. There is not one question in my mind he cannot handle the job and simply is now a pathetic old man, living on dreams of what might have been and basking in his waning days of glory. Poor man may not even make it to the men's room on time, let alone to the finish line.

McCain shot his foot early in the campaigning with an effusive show of support for Bush, which has created for him a Tweedle Dee link to Bush's Tweedle Dumb. He's also capitulated to some notorious figures of the religious right like the anti-semitic, John Hagee. Bang. Now, in spite of his public flip flops, he's going after Obama, with the blessings of some pundits, for similar behavior behaviors. Bang again? I'd say he needs to stop self maiming.

hmmmmm...

when it comes to "change", it's good if it's b o.......but bad if it's McCain.

Frankly, I like a man with an open mind; I like Mccain's stance on off shore drilling and keeping responsibility for it within the realm of the states.

I like a man who has put his life on the line for his country and who is still enamoured of it.

Granted, Mccain is not the extraordinary kind of statesman Hillary is..... but he is an honorable, trustworthy, inciteful patriot who will be a fine leader for our country.

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!!!

If McCain appeals to Clinton supporters, then they're not really Clinton supporters. Those two are so far apart when it comes to MANY issues, that it's laughable people are threatening to vote for JM. It shows me quite clearly that those supporters don't understand the issues facing America, or are simply choosing to ignore them out of emotional attachment to a candidate.

By the way, when you vote in a pro-life, supporter of tax cuts for upper 1 percent, a flip flopper who as recently as May declared that he would be willing to talk about windfall taxes on oil profits, then you get what you asked for. And I'll thank you when I'm struggling to put on the table for my daughter.

I would and I wouldn't count on your. Crazy Hillary supporter Captain flop thin ethier!

Not all Hillary suppoerters are stupid. I know some that have switched to Obama.

The cynics all know their end is near with a historical landslide of McCain.

You can tell McCain is in deep doo doo when all cynics have is rhetoric instead of the issues that effect Americans.

McCain loses on all fronts. Outspent, outclassed and outflanked.

Funny to see an elitist out maneuver a played out "American Hero", whatever that is.

Joe, I like the concept.

25% LMAO!!!!! Most Hillary supporters are intellgent. I know 25% of them aren't stupid enough to vote Mcsame. Or Captain Flop.

Wow. There are a lot more conservative republicans on abcnews blogs then I thought.
I pretty much gave up on mainstream media as my source for election 08 information after BO was nominated. the liberal media is foaming at the mouth at the opportunity to have a Black Democrat be president, you never even hear how socialist his policies are...

John McCain is an honorable, knowledgeable man and he will make sure that our country is safe. He is not perfect, but so much better for the presidency than Senator Obama.

When McCain wins in November, it's not because voters like him that much. He has problems with the social conservatives and independents don't think he's really that "maverick."

McCain will win because people will vote against Obama. The conservatives will come out in full force to vote against ultra-lib Obama. 25% of Hillary supporters are voting for McCain (others are staying home), and he has 1/2 the independents. That's why McCain looks happy these days.

You mean that straight talk express

goes against his own immigration bill
goes against his own campaign finance bill
goes against his stance on taxes during wartime

Nope that's just McCain being McCain. No damage there.

Republicans numbers usually go up the last days of any campaign. If Obama is going to win with his hippie/liberal/youth/black base..good luck with that. Historically, Americans vote right of center..Obama is so left he's off the map.
I just don't like who he associates with and wouldn't vote for him if J.C. came down from the heavens and endorsed.
McCAIN '08!

I'm voting for obama!

Definitely Common Sense: If McCain (the Republican nominee, remember) is counting on Democrats to win, rather than his base, then he is going to lose. Obama, on the other hand, is playing up to his hippie base and left-leaning indies - which is usually how you win.

Geevil

How come mccain didnt issue his intentions before obama issued his then?

why did mccain give the 527s free reign when he said he couldnt control them all... meaning he wasnt going to control them...

so he gets 84 million to use, plus all the RNC money

and now he doesnt get to roll the democrats, now he has to contend..

and this money that obama is getting mostly almost all of it comes from small donors, so it is in a very real sense public financing

oh and PS
its american(s) are not stupid

Nobody flips and flops more often than BO and company. Change that you can believe to doom America.

Nobama, Never Obama, anyone but OBama.

We need to start doing something thats all I know.. I feel right now when we buy oil from the middle east the american consumer is indirectly funding terrorisum. What else do they export out of that region?

Flip flop flip flop...I Caught a McCain!!

If McCain is 95% Bush, then Obama is 95% Al Capone. Dirty and corrupt.

The strenght for McCain will not come from independents, but for the millions of Democrats that will not vote for Obama. Obama, on the contrary, is counting on the independents, and he is not doing so good with them since half are with McCain.

Agreed. The impotant thing is to start conserving. Get rid of the SUV'S people or just use them when you absolutly have too. I wasn't aware of the location of the 68 mill. Now at what point is it not our coast and international waters..
And I fish and hunt... I don't want oil rigs screwing up my Elk hunting!

Independent: McCain is a lot of things, but conservative is not one of them. I can't for the life of me understand how the GOP will nominate someone who actually might appeal to Clinton supporters. So, maybe he's moderate or whatever and he's planning on winning that way. But don't plan on conservatives being enthusiastic about him.

Cool good response Joe thanks :) I like good debates with differing opinions.

Under Cuban contracts China will be slant drilling into our Florida coastline. I don't hear any democratic congressmen crying foul about that which is pretty scary. We'll let other countries drill into our continental shelf but won't let US companies bid on those contracts (both parties) or drill ourselves (democrats). That makes no sense to me.

The shoreline they have permission to drill has less reserves and is more expensive to drill. Costs get passed to consumers.

We have large coal reserves and agree coal to liquid is a viable energy production technique just in my opinion we need a combination of coal to liquid, increased oil production, and alternative energies such as solar, wind and geothermal as they become viable.

Like EyesOpen posted I think a "flip flop" on this issue is a positive thing. Although people need to conserve more the sharply increase of the cost of oil, fact supply is less than demand, etc should change people's opinions. To me if you make a change of opinion based on situations where supporting evidence points to your new conclusion it shows that you are capable of growth.