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John McCain: Would-Be Democrat?

June 18, 2008 10:13 AM

In a little-noticed interview in October 2006, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-SD, talked a great deal about his recollections of negotiations with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to become a Democrat.

The conversation is interesting in light of McCain's shift to the right on some issues as he pursued the GOP presidential nomination, but also Daschle's praise for McCain as someone capable of real bipartisan cooperation.

Interestingly, both Daschle and the journalist doing the questioning -- Linda Douglass -- are now with the Obama campaign.

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Douglass points out that the Senate was at the time "divided 50/50. And you were, both sides, both parties, trying to woo people from the other party to come over so that you one of you would have the majority. And ultimately you did succeed in-- Jim Jeffords, the Republican from Vermont did cross over and become and independent, which gave you the majority. You were talking at least at the staff level to John McCain in those days. How interested do you think he was in becoming a Democrat? Do you think he seriously considered it?"

DASCHLE: I do. Oh, it was more than -- we were talking to John, personally and very directly and privately on several occasions. And we thought that at one point that he would be the more likely of the three people. We were also talking to Lincoln Chaffee and Jim Jeffords, of course. And so Jim kind of surprised us one day when he called and asked us to meet him secretly at 6 o’clock in the morning in his hideaway to discuss how we might do this. We had open minds and quite a bit of communication with the other two. John McCain was very angry at George Bush for the way he was treated in the primary campaigns and his anger and his frustration with the Bush political machine was a big motivation. We talked a lot about his conservative views on abortion and on some of the social issues and how much of an impediment that would be. But he was very, very interested for awhile. And it was an interesting series of discussions and conversations with him.

DOUGLASS: So you think he came close to switching parties?

DASCHLE: I think so.

DOUGLASS: Even though there was a philosophical disagreement, you, and you think it was because of the way he was treated in the primary by the Bush people? Or do you think that there was a certain comfort level with the Democrats that would be sufficient for him to cross over? Did he communicate that to you?

DASCHLE: Well, John worked well with us. I mean there were so many occasions when we would work on legislation together. He would look for a prominent Democrat to work with on a number of things, whether it was campaign reform or, now its climate change.

But over the years, it was it was commonly understood that if you wanted a Republican partner, John was one of the people you could often times talk to. We all had a good friendship with him, so it transcended politics. It, he is truly somebody who could work both sides of the aisle and has great friends and relationships with people on both sides. So the personal relationships, I think, created the environment where you could actually talk about doing something professionally or politically. Then add to that the frustration that he had especially towards Bush and that first year following the presidential election and he had the right mix for at least the possibility of serious negotiations.

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- jpt

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McCain is a whole lot better than Obama. Let's face it, Obama is Bush v2. He's a nice affable guy you can drink a white wine with, talks change in Washington (but you quickly get it that he has no idea how), proclaims unity (but really means assimilation), and believes America can be great again. He is so weak, like Bush, and has no street cred or longtime allies (McCain does) so the powerful people who put the puppet in office expect to control him and run the country as they see fit. Happened in 2000, and the Dems are trying to rig their own puppet boy in 2008. Give me a smart, experienced centrist that is bi-partisan for the good of the country anyday. The Dems offed theirs (HRC). Thank heavens the Repubs put up one of their own.

Posted by: sharonevolving | Jun 19, 2008 6:13:34 PM

It will be interesting to see if McCain can tack to the centre after the convention, I personally think he is in a tough spot to do so really, as the right will always been imprtant and can't be taken for granted. I think as well McCain's flirtation with the Democratic Party was essentially spite and not principle. McCain has always been a Reaganite on economic issues, to the extent that he ahs had any beliefs on the economy.

Posted by: markymark | Jun 18, 2008 2:38:29 PM

McCain is a bi-partisan centrist... this is why John Kerry wanted him as a running mate 4 years ago, and if McCain hadn't wanted to run again for the Presidency, and if he had joined his good friend Kerry, the Dems might have had the White House in 2004. But they lost because they were just too left of center for the entire country to stomach. Now they've repackaged "left of center" to be something vague which they call "change." And, as you watch the drama unfold, Obama is also trying to move move to the center. John McCain crossing the aisle: The McCain-Kennedy Immigration Reform Bill (even Bush would have signed it) but they could not make it happen ... the judiciary efforts of the "gang of 14" ... the McCain-Edwards-Kennedy Patients' Bill of Rights ... etc. Obama has no such record. Scorched earth is his path of choice. Let him walk it alone. This lifelong Democrat is voting against the DNC and it's "package" for 2008. This year could mark the first time I'll vote for anyone but a Democratic candidate. I'm crossing the aisle, too.

Posted by: Mandelay3 | Jun 18, 2008 1:05:47 PM

McCain is NOT far right and anyone that spews that nonsense is doing just that, spewing nonsense. He si capable and has proven he can work across party lines very well. Obama can muster a present vote and that is it.

Obama = Nothing

McCain = Everything right and good

Obama needs to volunteer for the military and get some real foreign experience. I guess he thinks running over to Iraq or Afghanistan on a "little trip" will make him all experienced up and ready to handle foreign affairs..LOL dream on.

Posted by: Izzy | Jun 18, 2008 12:45:29 PM

TEXAN,

Go vote McCain. Clinton and Obama would have lost Texas in the GE. Your vote is not important =)

Posted by: Vanessa | Jun 18, 2008 12:45:29 PM

Do we really need to re-visit the failed policies of the Carter years? That's the kind of history that we don't need repeating. No Carter II, No Obama ever.

Posted by: Mack | Jun 18, 2008 12:44:55 PM

We are in an oil crisis....McCain is wise to respond with a comprehensive policy. We need energy independence. We need to drop the price per barrel of gasoline.


A comprehensive approach will work best. It's time to drill here now. We may not have the billions that are needed to invest in alternate energy sources.

All of Obama's policies are based on having billions to throw around. Where is he going to get the money? Why is he talking about raising taxes in the regressive ways he proposes.

If you play around with the capital gains tax you are talking double taxation...

Obama's policies are not feasible and certainly make no sense in a bad economy. They sound good.

"Chicken in every pot" Do you really believe that the taxpayers promises can equal Obama's election year promises?


He will say or do anything to get elected. Go to Chicago and look over his old Senate District. 11 Rezko slums are crumbling there....and the poor get poorer while the churches get richer....What is your vision of America? What has Obama ever done for America? What has he ever done for Illinois?

Don't let his rhetoric go unchallenged. Look at his record. How many Board positions did Obama get approved for people that funneled money to his campaign?

HE does have a record in Chicago..Obama prefers you judge him by his rhetoric not his actual experience.

Wake UP

Posted by: Jackie | Jun 18, 2008 12:31:33 PM

If Daschle had been successful luring McCain this presidential race would look a lot different. Poor long term planning on the part of the dems?

Does McCain confirm the discussions?

Posted by: smith | Jun 18, 2008 12:27:34 PM

About 70% of Americans agree with off-shore drilling as a long term benefit.

Obama is not going to like being against a popular decision.

I'm Ok with McCain flip-flopping on this and glad he beat Obama to this idea. But will the Democratic congress let it pass?

Congress has a worse approval rating than Bush.

Posted by: cindy in nc | Jun 18, 2008 12:23:59 PM

The 2000 McCain, maybe. The 2008 model is running to the right as fast as he can. He has been the complete opposite of a maverick. Obama, on the other hand, has been the true straight-talker. Speaking of normalizing relations with Cuba in South Florida. Speaking of alternative-fuel cars in Detroit. He's been saying things to particular audiences that typical politicians simply won't. He never seems to get any credit for this in the media. But voters notice.

Posted by: godblessusa | Jun 18, 2008 12:21:04 PM

The truth is that McCain is an out of touch far right wing extremist that has embraced the policies of G.W. Bush who has an approval rating of 24%. He has voted with Bush 95% of the time in 07 and 100% of the time in 08. McCain is a right wing nut. That NEOCON idealogy is the root cause of all the problems our nation is having today. More of the same vote for McCain.

Posted by: geevil | Jun 18, 2008 12:20:46 PM

During the last 4 years and the 4 years before that McCain has been a centrist who puts his country first.

Prior to the primary he tried to work with Obama in his continued efforts to create bi-partisan consensu.

He found that obama was a panderer looking only for headlines. Obama was not able to work effectively in the Senate (even with his more experienced handlers) so he stopped trying and got busy running for president. The "blank slate" can say whatever he wants...with no record whatsoever they felt that was an asset. Can't attack someones record if they don't have one.


Reading list for 2008.

"It Can't Happen Here" Sinclair Lewis

Posted by: Jackie | Jun 18, 2008 12:20:14 PM

Senator McCain used to be a real inspiration. Now he is just pandering to the extreme right wing of his party, voting in lock step with Bush, and destroying the good will and admiration he once enjoyed. No surprise he almost changed parties, he has flip-flopped on everything else in the last two years... so sad. I wish him well, but I doubt he'll be able to undo the damage he has done to his reputation.

Posted by: Bobby Peru | Jun 18, 2008 12:13:25 PM

Ok the flip flop thing isn't fair.. But the way Mcsame is going is wrong. He's wrong on this oil drilling I just read gas prices are starting to go down. If they lift this ban it should be up to the states if they want to drill or not. I knoe my buddy in Alaska is all for drilling so if that stat wants to do it let them. if florida doesn't want it off their coast you shouldn't force them. You also have to consider it's only 780,000 barrles a day and it will take 10 years to get that to the market and then they will probably just sell it to china anyway. We as a country use 20 millon barrles a day do the math it don't add up. If we drill it should be for military stockpile only..

Posted by: Joe | Jun 18, 2008 12:13:19 PM

I don't like GOP much, but McCain is the one GOP I'll most likely vote for. He's a straightshooter that speaks his mind, even if he steps out of line with the GOP in public, and I like that.

As to Obama? All he does is a "Present" vote in Senate, cuz Obama the chicken would not dare to step over the line from the usual Dem stands.

Obama never stands the test of time. It's long overdue to put Obama under the microscope, and he won't come out pretty. I won't vote for Obama.

Posted by: Todd, CA | Jun 18, 2008 12:12:26 PM

Both canidates are atrocious. To even attempt an intelligent argument for one over the other is silly. The two party system is destroying what America was founded on (liberty among other things).

On a side note: Changing your views is NOT a bad thing. It shows the ability to actually consider an argument and the wisdom to change your view in light of new information. NOT CHANGING your view is what pigheaded morons do.

Posted by: Sam | Jun 18, 2008 12:05:51 PM

The truth is McCain is a centrist, and his record proves it every time.

Just as Obama continues to pander to his far leftist roots to rally the troops McCain has had to stir things up on the right to reinforce his Republican credentials.

McCain has been for years bi-partisan and forward thinking in his efforts. He is the man that stepped up to Bush's torture policy and rejected it through the Senate. Today the hypocritical low rated Democrats in Congress take credit for McCains courage and denounce him as another Bush.

THEY KNOW BETTER.......Obama will say or do anything to get elected. But he can never be a leader in the center to represent us all.

In the last sermon Obama gave he talked about respnsibility...but in all the years that obama was listening to sermons he was hearing about blame and victimization.

No more race baiting! Vote McCain

Posted by: Jackie | Jun 18, 2008 12:03:59 PM

A bad Republican like McCain is far better for this country than a good Democrat like Obama

Posted by: DONW | Jun 18, 2008 12:02:28 PM

I'm not here to bash McCain. I just think he is not a very good choice. I don't feel like he is coming up with good solutions to my problems. My issues are:
Health care
Manufacturing jobs IN THE US
Fixing public education
Making sure social security is there
Fixing our infrastructure
AND... getting out of the wars.

You know.. one of those big useless bombs costs the same as a school for our kids. One bomber could fund public transportation or rebuild 50 miles of road. We need a pres who puts the US first and believes that our troops should fight for the US over the corporations. We need to say NO to outsourcing our military and government.

Posted by: JustAnotherGuy | Jun 18, 2008 12:02:09 PM

McCain was against torture of terrorist captives or terrorist insiders/CIA captives, but this was against the Republican views...so he flip-flop and is now for torture.

Posted by: Vanessa | Jun 18, 2008 12:00:00 PM

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