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McClellan: Bush Shoulda Canned Rove
June 02, 2008 10:02 AM
On Meet the Press yesterday, former White House press secretary Scott McClellan weighs in on an interesting and important issue: what the president promised the public when it came to firing anyone in his administration who leaked Valerie Plame's identity to the media.
This gets into parsing and such. But let's go back to the transcripts.
On Sept. 30, 2003, President Bush said, "if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of. ...If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."
Those are vague promises. But at the same time McClellan was more definitive.
On September 28, 2003, McClellan told reporters, “the President has set high standards, the highest of standards, for people in his administration. If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration.”
Note the difference. Bush's promises of action are vague: He will take appropriate action; the person will be taken care of. Bush's definitions of the offense are quite specific: leaking classified information; violating the law.
McClellan is more broad: any involvement, the person is gone.
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But then, in June 2004, the president was asked "given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name?
Responded the president, "That's up to -- "
Continued the reporter, "and, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?"
"Yes," said the president. "And that's up to the U.S. Attorney to find the facts."
This gets murky, allies of the White House say. The reporter mischaracterized the president's pledge -- firing anyone who leaked the agent's name. But the president agreed with this mistaken characterization.
It gets even trickier when you consider the fact that Karl Rove insists that he never precisely leaked Plame's name itself. (Rather, he seems to have confirmed that he'd heard that former Ambassador Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, not that he named her. With the cover of such weasel words indictments are dodged.)
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Then in July 2005, the president said, "if someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."
Democrats pounced, saying the president had moved the bar.
And McClellan apparently agrees.
McClellan told Tim Russert (watch HERE) that in his view, the president's promise was broad, and Rove should have been fired.
"I think he should have stood by his word," McClellan said. "I think the president should have stood by the word that we said, which was that if you were involved in this in any way, then you would no longer be in this administration. And Karl was involved in it. That would be a tough decision. I don't know if any there was any crime committed. I say I just don't know that at the book...but we had higher standards at the White House. The president said he was going to restore honor and integrity, he said we were going to set the highest of standards. We didn't live up to that. When it became known that his top adviser had been involved, then the bar was moved, and the bar was moved to 'if anyone was indicted' then they would no longer be here."
- jpt
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McClellan is truly straining the phrase "better late than never." Of course, it's better to hear these stories so far after the fact than never at all, but I feel something significant is missing from this tome and its much-hyped press tour. Has he apologized to us?
I know McClellan has apologized to Clarke for lying about him personally when Clarke told us truth, but what about us?
WE are the ones he was supposed to be working for. WE are certainly the ones who were paying his salary. WE are the ones to whom he lied.
Posted by: tiredgirlie | Jun 4, 2008 8:20:41 PM
Not only is Karl Rove walking free, he is actively involved in McCains' campaign!! Anybody who watches Fox News will see him as a well-paid commentator!!What's wrong with this picture?! Karl the Puppeteer is still pulling strings,only the dummy has changed... What an outrage! When is he going to testify before Congress concerning the U.S. Attorney debacle?
Posted by: Double RR | Jun 3, 2008 10:01:52 AM
McCellen was a press secretary NOT a policy maker or any sort of expert about the big issues. He is just like all the rest of us which is a person with an opinion. He decided to express that opinion and try to make it appear that he is doing the "telling" for all of our sakes as a lesson. While at his post, he made so such claim nor looked pained with any of his defenses for the war. He is perhaps now Monday morning quarterbacking which all of us can do now knowing WMD were not there in Iraq even though most "experts" thought they were. What Scott is trying to say is that all the "experts" should have all been on the same page looking back and to have known there were no WMDs. Of course there were those less convinced and those absolutely convinced, but in either case it doesn't make any of them evil people or incompetent it just makes them human. What is telling is that Scott doesn't realize or doesn't care at this point as long as his book is making money is that the very cause he is fighting which is supposedly campaign continuous, has now stepped up another notch. Good job Scott. Divide the country even more. Forget healing and bringing the country together. Let's just instead poke a stick into the eye of our boss and see how long it takes to roast him.
Posted by: Susan | Jun 3, 2008 12:03:43 AM
Rove is a lying lawbreaker who still walks as a free man, earning good money as a commentator and advisor. People did time and had their reputations ruined for less during Watergate. Iknow a diehard conservative who idolized Reagan who refers to the Bush gang as
"war criminals".
Posted by: hopesprings52 | Jun 2, 2008 2:33:26 PM
Why are we not all out in the streets demanding a revolution? The case for this war in Iraq was weak even if there WERE WMD's, and now we know that (as suspected) evidence to the contrary existed, but was ignored. The country was up in arms about Clinton getting oral, yet Bush sends 4000 of our best and brightest to a sovereign nation to be killed, not to mention the 10's of thousands whose lives will never be the same, and it seems nobody cares. There is no doubt in my mind our country is doomed. People care more about Sex and the City's box office take than they do about our Commander in Chief murdering American soldiers as well as thousands of Iraqis. When will enough be enough to move people to action?
I'm going to go take a nap and sleep on this.
Posted by: Give us the truth | Jun 2, 2008 1:19:00 PM
Double RR and Critical Thinker:
Count me in for marching in streets for Bush Impeachment and War Crimes.
Posted by: panto | Jun 2, 2008 12:48:27 PM
So what if he makes some money? Politicians making money is a political reality. The fact that he is going against the administration and telling the truth is in itself something to be praised. Although he may have ulterior motives, they are dwarfed by the greater good, which is to reveal the truth. Anyone who has a problem with the truth probably has some stake in it being suppressed.
Those who say he is a "weasel" or a "traitor" are basically subscribing to the "honor among thieves" concept. This concept is nothing more than a justification of wrongdoing in the name of the "team", which is a team of the worst kind of criminals. This is high treason. Selling out your country and digging in a failed policy for the sake of saving political face. Everyone sees this, some just don't want to accept it because "That good ole' boy dubaya wouldn't do that". How sad. People, if you have any respect for objectivity then you wouldn't support this idiot anymore. It's time to start treating this guy like Louis XIV, who was beheaded by the people for spending the country's money on the palace of Versailles. Look it up if you're into knowin' stuff.
Posted by: Craig Jackson | Jun 2, 2008 12:46:43 PM
Oops, maybe I am mistaken.
Allow me to summarize:
McClellan=terrorist=Obama=Hussein=stinky-face.
Or was that someone else?
Posted by: bobcollum | Jun 2, 2008 12:46:41 PM
Critical Thinker: I fully agree with your excellent post. We should all be screaming in the streets for this corrupt Administration to be called before a tribual. I ,for one, will be among those calling for IMPEACHMENT. This disgraceful regime has made Teapot Dome and Watergate look pale in comparison. From their unlawful stealing of the 2000 election right on up to their poorly-conceived,ineptly-handled war,We need to hold Dubya and Darth's feet to the fire.
Posted by: Double RR | Jun 2, 2008 12:31:56 PM
Texan,
Although I agree that this is dredging up muck that most of us with any kind of an inquiring mind have suspected and accepted. Now we have someone who was there, on the inside, confirming our suspicions. Although GW may be an honorable man, he demonstrated some very poor judgement and allowed those around him to corrupt the office for there own ends. Power corupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
Posted by: BooMan | Jun 2, 2008 12:12:40 PM
Bush shoulda ...
Rove shoulda ...
Cheyney shoulda ...
Everybody shoulda ...
While impossible to look inside the heart of another and he has opened "Pandora's Box" by publishing this book, the road to redemption and proving his sincerity may well be in turning ALL proceeds over to wounded U.S. vets and their families. Until then, Scott goes the Weasel. Despicable!
Posted by: Dave Kirby | Jun 2, 2008 11:34:42 AM
McCain will definitely be taking care of business for Bush.
We can all rest assured that he’s been discussing exactly how to do so behind closed doors with Bush at those million-dollar fundraisers. If you’re going to ask advice about how best to deal with the corrupting influence of money on power, you couldn’t ask for better counsel than a room full of secretive, political lobbyists.
Yes, folks, John “Keating Five” McCain definitely has the experience required to address such largess as often as K Street demands an audience. No one need be denied; the welcome mat is always at the door for those who can cross the threshold.
What’s past is prologue.
Posted by: Yawp | Jun 2, 2008 11:32:02 AM
I find myself admiring as well as being suspicious of McClellan. I don't think he's a weasel. He worked for someone he slowly came not to admire and it is his right to share his disillusionment if he wishes to.
what I find highly suspicious is the timing of this written rant. With the election coverage taking the headlines his book serves as another way to underline the reprehensible behavior of the current administration. But we were all there when Rove was not fired. We were all well aware of what Bush said and did not do. I don't think there's anything new in this. What is new is that it is being dredged up again NOW
Posted by: texan | Jun 2, 2008 11:31:27 AM
Rove was investigated up to his underwear? What planet have you been living on? Ashcroft removed himself from the investigation for unnamed reasons, and if you actually believe that the liars in the administration suddenly saw the light and decided to become angels and eschew their deceitful ways in this case, then I have a used car you might be interested in. Treason was committed here, and the punishment should, indeed, be a firing squad for such treachery.
The mere fact that Bush, Cheney and their cronies are not currently in prison is a travesty of justice of the highest order for their violations of the Constitution. I say bless Scott McClellan. He is not the first to blast this administration, and I hope he will not be the last to find a conscience. It's never too late.
Posted by: Critical Thinker | Jun 2, 2008 11:25:38 AM
Vote for Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Sandra Day' O Conner & John Smith with a joint ticket.
We do not need a "PARTY" in the white house anymore...
It should be taken much more seriously!
fyi... Money made via media is not philanthropy... Thats why Oprah is not in there.
I do think she may be a great person from what the media describes.
Posted by: JB | Jun 2, 2008 11:18:53 AM
Scott McClelan is just doing what he couldn't inside the White House. Everybody deserves time to think, ponder and to speak.
Are you guys fool to suggest that he should have spoken while he was in job.
Do you think Bush administration would let this happen? Do you guys remember, how many qualified people have left, resigned after they crossed the white house's policies.
Everybody deserves a chance to reform, correct themselves.
Everything will come out eventually. If he is doing for publicity or something for ulterior motives, that will come out too but he deserves a benefit of doubt now.
Posted by: panto | Jun 2, 2008 11:16:07 AM
If the man stands-up and speaks forthrightly and with good intentions, which he appears to be doing, then all we can do is admire and encourage him. The failures of leadership are rooted in fear, ignorance and silence. In a democratic country, his actions are so critical to maintaining and strengthening everyone’s freedoms. The United States has forgotten its history, and now we are struggling NOT to repeat it.
Posted by: Variak Khus | Jun 2, 2008 11:10:41 AM
McClellan is such a booger-face. He said a bunch of things anyone who had been following politics with a mindset for critical thought in the past 6 years had already known(admitted or not).
When Soros put that gun to Scott's head and forced him to put his name on this book, he should've displayed more stones and just said no, but he couldn't cause he eats his own farts.
I'm going over to the Fox News site so I can be further entertained and informed by the blistering analysis of McClellan's case of the cooties.
Posted by: bobcollum | Jun 2, 2008 11:08:03 AM
Hi Boston,
Two comments:
1. Obama will be our next president, not McCain. (I think Bush has destroyed any chance of there being another Republican in the White House for at least two generations.)
2. Treason during a time of war is punishable by firing squad! Bush and his sycophants should all be given a fair trail and then lined up against the wall and shot -- including this McClennan weasel.
Posted by: Kit | Jun 2, 2008 11:03:16 AM
Mcain president? What planet do you live on? McClellan's done the country a service, confirmed what we all knew. The Bushies are a lying buch of miscreants that deserve jail time. Cheney needs to be tried for war crimes. Thanks Scott, we're glad you've left the dark side.
Posted by: John | Jun 2, 2008 11:03:14 AM
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