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Minnesota Feminist Leader Will Not Vote for Obama, Doesn't Care If McCain Wins
June 02, 2008 1:09 PM
The founder of the DFL Feminist Caucus in swing state Minnesota, Koryne Horbal, tells the Minneapolis Star-Tribune that she is pushing a petition drive to secure the commitment of feminists everywhere to write-in Sen. Hillary Clinton's name in November.
What if that means Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., becomes president?
"I don't care," Horbal said. "Let McCain clean it up for four years, and then we can have Hillary run again."
It's fairly irrefutable that should there be a Supreme Court vacancy in the next four years, which there probably will be, McCain will appoint a Justice who in all likelihood will be the final vote to overturn Roe v Wade.
I'm not making a value judgment here on that -- it's just a fact. It's one of the reasons why many conservatives will vote for McCain, whom they dislike on several other issues.
So how do these feminists reconcile that?
Write in, friends, please explain.
I'm aware of the disappointment by Clinton supporters, the sexist treatment of Clinton by many members of the media. I don't dismiss any of that. But I thought abortion rights were an important part of the feminist movement.
Would Ms. Horbal feel the same way if she were 21 instead of 71?
- jpt
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Sarah Palin reminds me of Kyles mom on South Park.
Posted by: broomhead | Sep 11, 2008 10:27:57 PM
I would votr for ZHilary but not Obama or McCain. Obama is a flip flopper and is moving towards the centre, one may as well vote for the real republicans instead of Republican Lite which Obama is now.
He is very disappointing, all talk but no details. What is as sickening is the media treatment of him like he is Jesus or something.
You say you won't vote for obama, don't like him you are accused of being a racist or having sour grapes.
As a registered Independent I would vote for Hilary but now Nader gets my vote.
Posted by: Dan | Jul 21, 2008 2:56:06 PM
I would votr for ZHilary but not Obama or McCain. Obama is a flip flopper and is moving towards the centre, one may as well vote for the real republicans instead of Republican Lite which Obama is now.
He is very disappointing, all talk but no details. What is as sickening is the media treatment of him like he is Jesus or something.
You say you won't vote for obama, don't like him you are accused of being a racist or having sour grapes.
As a registered Independent I would vote for Hilary but now Nader gets my vote.
Posted by: Dan | Jul 21, 2008 2:24:36 PM
Nice to see feminists throw their weight behind a man who voted against equal pay and federal funding for breast cancer prevention.
Ha!!! Gotcha ladies!!!
Posted by: Ivan | Jul 9, 2008 2:01:25 AM
I will be writing Hillary's name in. I love the idea. Like the woman in this article I dont care if McCain wins. The DNC acted much like the GOP did when Al Gore lost the election but won the popular vote. A group that doesnt count all the votes doesnt deserve my vote.
Posted by: Beau | Jun 10, 2008 3:57:18 PM
The "lose abortion rights scare". President McCain cannot put a pro-life Justice on the Supreme Court without the complicity of the Democratic Congress. Nor can he continue the funding for the Iraq war (and continue the US presence in Iraq) without the Democratic Congress voting for the funding, as they did over and over and over (like both Obama and Hillary did) in 2007. So, if we end up with 4 more years of the GOP, don't blame it on the Hillary supporters who will not vote for Obama. Place the blame where it belongs. The blame is on the DNC for SELECTING a nominee who numerous polls have shown is not anywhere as "electable" as Clinton. So, Obama got the majority of Black voters in his camp (90 - 94%). News Flash! The majority of voters in this country are not Black.
Posted by: BARB | Jun 10, 2008 10:28:02 AM
I do, because way back then I, too, was a Hillary supporter. Then South Carolina happened, and I had to take a long, hard look at the Clinton campaign.
These remarks by this woman (Horbal) that I have never heard of are terrible.
They make women look irrational.
Posted by: Mary, MI | Jun 2, 2008 2:08:46 PM
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You, are an idiot.
What "south carolina" comments?
You mean where Bill was giving an interview, and he was asked about the comparison between Jesse Jackson, and Obama both winning the states?
You're an idiot.
You mean you believe that "bill was trying to frame uh-bama as a black candidate"?
You know, because the same media that gave bush a pass on all of his ridiculous policies, are now lying for oh-bummer?
here ya go:
"If Obama didn’t want to be compared to Jesse Jackson, maybe he shouldn’t have put R&B in his SC advertisements, shouldn’t have sent black-only emissaries to the Black SC community, and should have put Wright, who was doing the rounds, on pause. The message in South Carolina put out by Obama’s campaign, whether the media wanted to ignore it or not, was “Vote for me I am Black.” To then come back and smash Bill Clinton for mentioning Jesse Jackson, that’s audacity; Axelrod made this clear through his surrogates, while he had Obama say that what the Clintons’ said was “unfortunate.”
How's THAT?!
You barackulabots are just.like.bushbots.
Posted by: destardi | Jun 9, 2008 5:27:06 PM
I just don't understand why some Hillary Clinton supporters are so ANGRY at Obama. Honestly, it looks like they're just mad because they lost.
I started out and continued in the campaign as an Edwards supporter. After he dropped out, I waited a while to see how Clinton and Obama would campaign against each other.
I'm now a strong fan of Obama. I don't see where the so-called "attacks" are that he supposedly made against Clinton; instead, I think he tried to stay on the high road as much as possible, and it was HER that was sending the not-too-subtle message that she was "ready" to be President, and that Obama wasn't.
All the sideshow stuff is just distraction. It saddens me to see Clinton fans pointing at the Wright controversy- that's as useless as the Vanity Fair article about Bill running around boinking any young thing he can. (Didn't we all just assume he was doing that anyway? Why is it "news"?)
What really matters is this: Compared with John McCain, both Obama and Clinton are more or less the same candidate. They both have almost the same positions on the real issues.
There are minor differences between them if you compare them to each other, but against McCain, they're basically the same candidate.
So to say that you're not going to vote for Obama because he's "radical left" (a charge which, you will recall, has been thrown Hillary's way many, many times) is just plain silly.
And to say you're going to vote for McCain because of "country over party", well, I agree that the nation should come first- and the nation will be getting four more years of Republican incompetence if we elect McCain.
To Hillary's supporters, I say, come home. I'm sorry for the negative things that were said about your candidate. I'm sorry you're pissed that she lost. But the reality is that she did, and if you care more about her positions and what she believes in than you care about individual personalities; if you care more about the nation than a party; if you care more about getting things heading in the right direction than you care about the glory or credit, then there's only one choice for you to make.
Vote Obama in 08.
Which is, after all, the point of Jake's post. It boils down to a simple question: Do you care about abortion rights? If so, you dang well better vote for and enthusiastically support Obama, because the whack jobs running the Republican Party would NOT allow John McCain to appoint a pro-choice justice to the Supreme Court.
And Jake's also right on: It's blatant hypocrisy for someone to say "well, let abortion go" if they're not of child-bearing age. They were fiercely pro-choice when it mattered to THEM personally, but now they're not?
One commenter here actually says that "to get the young women fired up", abortion should be outlawed. What? That's so against the cause I can't believe I read it!
Wake up!
Obama in 08.
Posted by: Paul | Jun 4, 2008 3:46:30 PM
How utterly vain, arrogant, and selfish. I liked a number of the Dems that ran. I had several first choices that washed out over time. In light of the issues facing us, I would vote for Bozo the Clown if he was the Dem ticket, in hopes of ejecting the other bozo, and the bozo wannabe.
Echos of the 2000 vote Naderites. This country (and we, it's citzens) cannot afford a single day longer of GOP "so called" values...
Most Dems recognize the large number of folks who were scared, or lied to in order to vote against their own best interests. Recall the Daily Mirror headline of "how could 59 million people be so STUPID?".
This is NOT JUST about Abortion... It is about budget, energy, healthcare, immigration rights, civil rights, Iraq, Iran, our place on the planet, and the planet itself. Please show me one place where McSame agrees with any of the Dems on these issues, (beyond the lip service McSame gave to immigration and global warning, only to back away from both when push came to vote).
It would be shameful to be loose this because it had to be YOUR candidate, or the highway. So much for intelligent debate, or learning from one's mistakes.
Posted by: hackenflack | Jun 4, 2008 2:15:35 PM
How utterly vain, arrogant, and selfish. I liked a number of the Dems that ran. I had several first choices that washed out over time. In light of the issues facing us, I would vote for Bozo the Clown if he was the Dem ticket, in hopes of ejecting the other bozo, and the bozo wannabe.
Echos of the 2000 vote Naderites. This country (and we, it's citzens) cannot afford a single day longer of GOP "so called" values...
Most Dems recognize the large number of folks who were scared, or lied to in order to vote against their own best interests. Recall the Daily Mirror headline of "how could 59 million people be so STUPID?".
This is NOT JUST about Abortion... It is about budget, energy, healthcare, immigration rights, civil rights, Iraq, Iran, our place on the planet, and the planet itself. Please show me one place where McSame agrees with any of the Dems on these issues, (beyond the lip service McSame gave to immigration and global warning, only to back away from both when push came to vote).
It would be shameful to be loose this because it had to be YOUR candidate, or the highway. So much for intelligent debate, or learning from one's mistakes.
Posted by: hackenflack | Jun 4, 2008 2:15:32 PM
If I were the Clinton's I'd go to Europe for a year or so. Live in Italy, enjoy the pasta, have coffee in Paris cafes, co-write a book, enjoy the museums and art galleries. I'd never campaign for a party that did to me what the Democrats have done to them.
At least the Clintons don't owe them any loyalty.
Posted by: expat | Jun 4, 2008 1:52:37 AM
Most women who are willing to sit this election out, or even vote for the Republican feel that perhaps we need to lose Roe vrs Wade, so that younger women finally wake up.
I hope Hillary does not agree to a VP position even though she would be such an asset to the country. He is so much like GWB it's amazing. She would mitigate some of that, but I truly believe that with Obama as the nominee, even if the party was united, they can not win. 'GD America' etc doomed him. Only naifs don't know it.
Can you imagine the Republicans trashing a former Republican president and first lady the way the Obama campaign has trashed the Clintons? No. Of course not. And that's one reason the Dems have just lost the election. That is if Senator Clinton doesn't fight it at Denver or run as an independent.
Posted by: Losttheelection | Jun 4, 2008 1:38:19 AM
I wonder how less the feelings of the Clinton supporters would be hurt if the media stuck to the truth and not act as though she had a chance since feb 15?
I mean I actually feel sorry for the supporters because they were mislead and used to garner ratings for a lost cause. Instead of being mad at Obama. Be mad a Hilary for string you on and the media using the situation for ratings. From using sound bites from rev wright, to the so called whitey incident. You have been used but you are all smart enough to see that and I hope you stick with the party.
Posted by: braheem ahmadiyah | Jun 4, 2008 1:16:17 AM
Original means "first" or "earliest." The first thing the Europeans did when they got here was wipe out the Native Americans.
So yes, that was America's original sin.
Posted by: Julie | Jun 3, 2008 10:47:06 PM
quote Julie
On MSNBC a black pundit Michelle Bernard just said that slavery was America's original sin.
I disagree. America's original sin was the genocide of Native Americans.
Why split hairs over what was worse. Also if you don't think slavery was genocide then reread you history books. It may not have been the original goal but death of the identity race of people happened during that time. It was as cold and systematic as the pox in the blankets to the gas chambers in auswisch. Arguing what was worse is a matter for the individual to decide, not you or me.
Posted by: braheem ahmadiyah | Jun 3, 2008 9:58:38 PM
Whats wrong with Americans these days.
Whats type of Coffee is yaw drinking
Posted by: CE-AB aka Killuminti | Jun 3, 2008 9:41:55 PM
On MSNBC a black pundit Michelle Bernard just said that slavery was America's original sin.
I disagree. America's original sin was the genocide of Native Americans.
Posted by: Julie | Jun 3, 2008 7:40:08 PM
I guess now you can focus on if you still want to support hilary as VP or as she endorses Obama in the next 48 hours.
Posted by: ibarfly | Jun 3, 2008 3:31:21 PM
Where were all these diehard choice supporters when Alito and Roberts were being confirmed? Where was the outrage when the spineless dems let them pass through. Don't try to threaten Roe v Wade and the SCOTUS to get us to vote for your candidate. He will lose to McCain and then who will you blame. Not the spineless dems, not the inexperienced DINO Obama. You'll blame Clinton supporters who knew better than to annoit this empty suit. Good luck, dems. The Obama wing of the party has no place for us. It's time that his new voters stood up for Roe v Wade. We've done the heavy lifting. You are on your own. NObama for this longtime dem.
Posted by: Rureddy | Jun 3, 2008 3:01:20 PM
one more idiot with idiotic intention.
I gate all those feminist coalitions: Woamn does not need a company to express herself.
United in these stupid units these women are losing female natural attractive features: softness, carering, dependable, but are becoming angry witches without any sign of brain work.
HATE IT.
Typical white woman, 55, Florida.
And I am fine with DNC decision.
Posted by: Linda,Fl | Jun 3, 2008 2:20:46 PM
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