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Minnesota Feminist Leader Will Not Vote for Obama, Doesn't Care If McCain Wins
June 02, 2008 1:09 PM
The founder of the DFL Feminist Caucus in swing state Minnesota, Koryne Horbal, tells the Minneapolis Star-Tribune that she is pushing a petition drive to secure the commitment of feminists everywhere to write-in Sen. Hillary Clinton's name in November.
What if that means Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., becomes president?
"I don't care," Horbal said. "Let McCain clean it up for four years, and then we can have Hillary run again."
It's fairly irrefutable that should there be a Supreme Court vacancy in the next four years, which there probably will be, McCain will appoint a Justice who in all likelihood will be the final vote to overturn Roe v Wade.
I'm not making a value judgment here on that -- it's just a fact. It's one of the reasons why many conservatives will vote for McCain, whom they dislike on several other issues.
So how do these feminists reconcile that?
Write in, friends, please explain.
I'm aware of the disappointment by Clinton supporters, the sexist treatment of Clinton by many members of the media. I don't dismiss any of that. But I thought abortion rights were an important part of the feminist movement.
Would Ms. Horbal feel the same way if she were 21 instead of 71?
- jpt
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Roberta "Let the chips fall where they may"
lol -- Nader voters said the same thing in 2000 and it gave us Bush, "weapons of mass destruction," nearly $5 gas and a recession.
Still, since McCain or Obama is better than Bush, and since abortion is an abomination, "I like where your heads at :-) Vote McCain.
Posted by: Johnson | Jun 3, 2008 1:17:14 PM
This campaigh has been riddled with sexism and ageism. The media partook in these despicable traits...little respect was shown toward Hillary by Obama, his surrogates, his supporters, and his media tweetie pundits. She has been insulted with sexist terms, just like McCain has been insulted because of age. This is no more acceptable than insulting some one because of their ethnicity or race.
There are many ways to express your outrage, one is to boycott...that is what this is: a boycott of Obama.
As for your question whether if she were 21 rather than 71 would she feel the same, because of roevwade: 21 year olds have little concept of what the 71 year olds had to endure and the struggle it took to obtain the rights they have today. Give the 21 year old 15 more years in the job market, and she will become aware that she is still a second class citizen in the United States. in the year 2008.
But the problem has really been the DNC. In the last election Democrats barred Nader from getting on ballots, this election, they set the tone for the despicable destruction of our most viable candidate. Howard Dean MUST GO. As a liberal, I protest by voting Republican....and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by: roberta | Jun 3, 2008 1:13:23 PM
PROUD FLORIDIAN
Are you kidding McCain won't overturn Roe v. Wade. That's the one thing he can and will offer conservatives since he won't change immigration (b/c wealthy conservatives like having cheap labor). He has already indicated the types of Judges he wants -- like Alito and Robertson and many current Justices are over 70 so likely to be replaced. To the angry, irrational, "pro-choice" Clinton fans who will vote for McCain out of spite I have two words: THANK YOU! (ha ha) -- ok, that's four words total. :-)
Posted by: Johnson | Jun 3, 2008 1:06:06 PM
There's no guarantee that Sen. Clinton will be the nominee in 2012. So unless they have a crystal ball, they're taking one heck of a risk.
As disappointed as I am in the way Clinton ran her campaign against Obama, I'd still vote for her if she were the nominee, because it's just too important this time.
Posted by: Ken,
""To me, it's just mass cult mass suicide for them to vote in a way that could negatively impact them for the remainder of their lives......"
Hey Ken I agree 1million percent! If she didn't make it last time, there is no way in hell she will make it this time. She will ceratinly not make it due to the fact that people like her are standing in his way! If they think people won't be out for revenge, they'd better think again. Hell, come 2012, I will be leading a petition drive against her a#$. I am sick of these stupid women claiming she was cheated and that's why she loss. She loss because she had a flawed strategy. These losers better get it into their heads, it is her fault and hers alone. Hillary was treated badly. If anything, she manipulated the process and ignorant voters VERY WELL! And all this will do is handicapped future candidates!...
Signed,
This female is not for Hillary.
Posted by: Casey | Jun 3, 2008 1:02:45 PM
The Folks at NARAL should have considered the possiblity before they smacked Hillary in the face and endorsed the guy who can't beat McCain. When the inevitable happens, they will have no one to blame but themselves.
Posted by: ESC | Jun 3, 2008 12:41:05 PM
At 71 Ms. Horbal well remembers the atrocities of illegally performed abortions in back street clinics. I gather the DFL Feminist Caucus in Minnesota is on the fray and obscure, at least compared to NARAL and NOW. I don't think one woman's anger over reason would work to McCain's advantage and override the prevailing hope for change shared by men and women alike.
Posted by: katrina | Jun 3, 2008 12:14:25 PM
" sour grapes taken to extreme."
Nope, it is just the way it is for those of us who don't think Barack Obama is the right choice.
And since surprises about Obama, his associates and his advisors are still emerging—incredibly just days before he is crowned by the party—the surprises are likely to continue through the week before the general election.
Moreover, now that the DNC convention will be a another choreographed infomercial with a predetermined outcome engineered by Nancy Pelosi and others, why bother to even watch.
No, if Hillary is not on the ticket, I am checking the McCain box on my absentee ballot and returning it as soon as it comes in the mail.
Posted by: Stephen Gianelli | Jun 3, 2008 12:02:48 PM
If you thought nothing got done in the past few years... a McCain/Clinton ticket would be far worse.
Both are opposed to each other on social issues... so that's not going to help.
Both are on opposite sides in regards to economic issues... no bi-partisanship there.
Both have different ideas for health care... so we'll get no help.
That's got to be one of the worse political wet dreams I've seen in a long while.
The Democrats would probably bounce Hillary out of the party thus sealing her political legacy into a big basket of failure.
Posted by: ThunderMonkey | Jun 3, 2008 11:53:26 AM
This is a big mystery to me as well.
It just seems like sour grapes taken to extreme.
There's no guarantee that Sen. Clinton will be the nominee in 2012. So unless they have a crystal ball, they're taking one heck of a risk.
As disappointed as I am in the way Clinton ran her campaign against Obama, I'd still vote for her if she were the nominee, because it's just too important this time.
To me, it's just mass cult mass suicide for them to vote in a way that could negatively impact them for the remainder of their lives.
Posted by: Ken | Jun 3, 2008 11:53:08 AM
This is a big mystery to me as well.
It just seems like sour grapes taken to extreme.
There's no guarantee that Sen. Clinton will be the nominee in 2012. So unless they have a crystal ball, they're taking one heck of a risk.
As disappointed as I am in the way Clinton ran her campaign against Obama, I'd still vote for her if she were the nominee, because it's just too important this time.
To me, it's just mass cult mass suicide for them to vote in a way that could negatively impact them for the remainder of their lives.
Posted by: Ken | Jun 3, 2008 11:53:01 AM
I'm starting to want to see Cliton on the ticket as VP. lamo @ how upset y'all be when you see she is just a politician just like everyone else.
Posted by: ibarfly | Jun 3, 2008 11:46:57 AM
America for All,
Are you from Operation Chaos?
MI had a chance to be an early state and they were turned down. The DNC added NV and SC. MI competed with these states and several others.
But MI decided to jump ahead anyway and thus lost their delegates. The DNC threats didn't just emerge after MI's primary. MI had been warned well before.
At the time the rule was made, Clinton supporters voted 12-0 in favor of it. Only a lone Obama supporter dissented. So why don't you explain that FACT?
Remeber at that time Sen. Clinton was considered the like nominee.
Fast forward to Sat and I see Harold Ickes, who voted to strip the delegates from MI and FL, cry foul.
Do you think it was for altruisic purposes or "fair reflection"? No his candidate now had to have those delegates and needed to others to be left up for grabs in order for her to have any shot.
Technically, MI should have no delegates.
Don't tell me about Obama removing his name from the ballot. That's not the issue.
There is no way that you can argue that a Soviet style election is in anyway fair.
Posted by: Ken | Jun 3, 2008 11:40:00 AM
Bravo to "The answer is . . ." - I couldn't have said it any better myself - and I tried! lol
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Jun 3, 2008 11:34:16 AM
Nafta has hurt our job market in America and Obama/McCain are the best canidates....
Posted by: dave mays | Jun 3, 2008 11:23:45 AM
America for all,
Huh? You don't have one, single example? I don't have to "research", I have been LIVING this campaign DAILY. I know the truth and you do to - Hillary Clinton loss fair and square.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Jun 3, 2008 10:44:57 AM
nobody' fool,
since you seem to be new to the dem process, and you need someone to explain to you what has happened.
there is not enough time or space to explain to you.
try to be objective and go and investigate for yourself (really-do this)
and you will be able to see how it was not stolen from sen. clinton. sen. clinton' life is set.
it was stolen from the dem. voters.
because the left wing of the dem. party could not take a chance.
go investigate for yourself-the truth is there if you really care to know
Posted by: america for all | Jun 3, 2008 10:31:11 AM
I challenge anyone to make a RATIONAL argument detailing how the Democratic Nomination was stolen from Hillary Clinton.
It was not stolen from her, she lost using the rules that have been in effect in the Democratic Party for YEARS, rules that she and her supporters helped to make, rules that they only began to complain about AFTER they needed additional delegates.
And know amount of posturing, complaining, or threatening is going to change that.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Jun 3, 2008 9:32:06 AM
The Democratic Congress has a worse approval rating than George Bush. What have they done to help all of the major issues facing America?
The DNC, controlled by billionaires, chose a weak, inexperienced candidate they could manipulate---they knew Hillary wouldn't bow to them.
I will cross parties to vote for McCain because I trust his experience and love of this country. Obama's inexperience and poor judgement could put the USA in a much worse situation.
Hillary08/2012 or McCain08
Posted by: cindy in nc | Jun 3, 2008 9:32:00 AM
Amy,
It is very nice that you know so many people who are being killed and maimed in Iraq. I sure you will know many more after John McCain's first term.
alpaig,
I have two kids, I am aware of Senator Obama's requirement to have them insured, and I also know that wage garnishment is not part of his solution to getting their medical care paid for. Nice try though.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | Jun 3, 2008 9:29:11 AM
and all the screamers who say you will vote for McCain...you might but history has proven (over and over...Bill Clinton had similar "defection" numbers during his primary and he had a lot more wrong with him at the time than Obama)
and if you went to any generally mixed dem event in the past month you would see there are a few crazies...that wallow in spite...like weird 5th graders...but most already are saying (and this is still in the heat of this) that even though they said they wouldn't vote for Obama...there is no way they will vote for all the bad things Mccain is promising.
well...because it would be stupid to go from what Hillary is promising and saying this has to happen on the issues to mcCain ...who is saying literally the opposite.
Posted by: dl | Jun 3, 2008 9:08:03 AM
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