Post-Puerto Rico Math

We need to stop voting the same old which voting for HC would be. Really people what has she done for you? Voted to kill our young for oil! Protected the rich! As I have traveled the world I have had to ask my self why as a country have we allowed our leaders to take away our rights and freedom--which they call keeping us in our place. Let me tell you I am a white old woman and I have been hoping for a woman to run and win but that woman has never been HC. I am sick of the same old I have been waiting for some one like Obama all my life to put things back on track!

Obama made one appearance in WV one in KY and one in PR. He has not truly campaigned in the primaries since IN and NC.

Posted by: Thinking | Jun 1, 2008 10:26:36 PM

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The fix was in a long time ago.
Time I quit flapping about here.
Come Nov I will go to the polls and vote for McCain, it is over!
The DNC has made it so!

People don't support Hillary out of fear.
She is the target of a lot of criticism, because of Bill legacy, the reason of it is that they don't want another Clinton in the White House.
This is agreed even though understated by both the Republicans and the Dems who are against her. Whatever motives, business, ideology etc... belong to the arguments of her detractors.
Her supporters see her as a strong character, that she runs campaigns with less money but with determination and they like her.
They can overlook some of her mistakes and they have confidence in her, because they see that this election is not given to her. She is no more the front runner. It's always easier to go with the crowd who sing the song of the winner. Everyone has been telling her how a loser she is.
So supporting her does not come out of fear, but of appreciating her strength for resisting the pressure and showing determination.
It also comes out of resisting the anti-democratic machine of the DNC. BO is the man of many leaders. That's why he is called an empty suit. People have the right to support him but they lose their time if they think like the leaders of the Party that they can make them fall in line like the rest.

Democrats Against Obama:

Please tell us where we can sign up!!!

One of the worst thing in life is a sore loser....

The DNC has the power. That's why this primary election is flawed.
The superdelegates who commit themselves before it's time for them to do so,( they are supposed to be uncommitted till the end of the process ), do it to signal they want BO to be the nominee.
It's very clear, it's not about who might get the better chance to win in November.It's about the strategy worked out behind the scene before the primaries started and that is : the left wing supports BO and by successfully giving him momentum from the beginning of the contests, have rallied the others around their candidate.
Why do you think they don't make availabe the count of popular votes in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, Washinghton?
There must be some inconvenient reality (the heavy numbers of republicans crossing the lines to vote for BO because they were asked to), or something that they don't want to release because it hurts the truth.
Let's face it, the remaining superdelegates should commit themselves openly this week, as they were asked by HC.
This is the only way to speak the truth. If they choose side, they should have the courage to do it openly so the voters know what is going on.
The voters, where do they stand in all of this?

The funniest thing of all is the fact the Obama supporters are STILL bashing bill and hillary clinton , when the whole thing is over.

Then they expect the clinton supporters to vote for Obama in november.

I wont.

Why she shouldn't be President? She is the vanguard of Washington's politics of Deception - and is incapable of bringing change.

Whoops--correction to my post below. Obama leads in PLEDGED delegates by 116, and by 156.5 delegates overall, inclduing supers. Still, he does have the majority of pledged delegates, even if Clinton were to win all 31 delegates from MT and SD--essentially impossible with proportional allocation.

Thanks much Sandy and rt for the support

I would very much like to see a new party formed in the Clintonian/FDR mode.

I want a party that considers all Americans, fights special interests, wins elections because it seeks to be inclusive not devisive, and will govern for all Americans, as much as possible.

I would like to see work/incentive programs like the WPA and CCC revitalized, with refinement, to create jobs and rebuild our infrastructure.

I feel like Bill clinton did an excellent job of trying to govern for the broad spectrum of America, not just segments. I believe Hillary clinton would do the same.

Posted by: West Texas | Jun 2, 2008 2:10:45 AM

awesome post. could not agree more!
think she would draw the "reagan dems" back. I have always loved Wesley Clark. anyone who has listened to his calm, intellegent conversation on so many subjects cannot help but be impressed. and he is a hillary supporter.
the demise of bho would also be too much to ask for. once a looser on the ge front, he is gone.
the dems would deserve what they got after the shameful way they have treated hillary.

Hey West Texas:

This Southwestern New Mexico voter agrees with your idea 100%.

If the Dems do show Hillary the door, I hope she does go Independent, and I have always thought Wesley Clark would be an EXCELLENT running mate.

I think HRC could win as an independent by drawing Dem, Indy, and dis-enchanted Rep. bread and butter oriented, women.

That faction plus we millions of HRC supporting DEm and Indy males could prove to be a winner.

I think with Wesley Clark as a running mate she also draws many Rep. males.

I think she would draw votes from McCain in large numbers, while absolutely demolishing Obama.

Even if McCain still won, Obama goes down in flames and she builds a solid base for 2012.

The DNC would lie in ruins.

I fervently advocate such an effort and will gladly donate the maximum allowed to facilitate such.

rt,

I agree.
It's pretty disgusting whenever I hear on tv the pundits say Hillary will start campaign for him.
He never mention Hillary has helped him to become Senator last time.

BOB4USA,

Thanks for the information.
We can't do anything,looks like the DNC already made up their minds.
We are so disappointed of them.

i am amazed that every one pushes hillary to stop. if she does they will say she did not have the back bone to keep going!
Equally amazing to me is that after all the nasty divisive comments from the bho supporters and party elders, they want hillary to drop out, support bho, AND CAMPAIGN FOR HIM!!! if she is so awful, why ask her to campaign for him? why ask the supporters of hillary to vote bho if we are so uninformed and obviously backward to have supported her to begin with? cannot have it both ways. i will vote mccain. i would love for hillary to leave the dems and go independant with a new party. the dems do not deserve her support, nor the votes of her supporters.

A bit of sobering truth for all of us Democrats! Let us all reflect and act on these truths fellow Democrats.

McGovern the Democratic nominee did not win the popular vote in the primary and caucus votes in 1972 and McGovern did not win the big swing states. In the General Election in 1972 Democrat nominee McGovern won 1 state Massachusetts 17 electoral votes. Republican incumbent Nixon won 49 States 520 electoral votes. This was the biggest and most embarrassing Presidential election loss for the Democratic Party in our history. A repeat of this extremely embarrassing loss will happen again if Obama is the Democratic Nominee for President. McCain will win just as many electoral votes and be the President. History will repeat itself guaranteed. The DNC, the Media, the super-delegates, Obama and his supporters are playing right into the very well designed plan of the Aristocratic Republican Party. If Obama doesn’t pull out of the race now we will suffer the same results we did in 1972 only it will hurt the people of the USA more than it did in 1972. The poor and middle class people of the USA will suffer the most. I urge my fellow Democrats, Obama, the DNC, the supporters of Obama, and the super-delegates demand that Obama pull out of the Presidential Race and support Hillary for President for the Democratic Party and for the benefit of all the people of the USA.

SJ,

You are right.
The SDs are so sure Hillary will endorse Obama and all her supporters will follow her to support him.
They act like the dictators.

If the Popular Votes don't count why DNC fought so hard when Al Gore got popular votes against Bush last time?

Don't count on it, Dan!