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Spike vs. Clint
June 06, 2008 6:31 PM
You might be forgiven if these days Spike Lee is reminding you of "Buggin Out" -- the character played by Giancarlo Esposito in Lee's "Do The Right Thing," who famously inquired of Danny Aiello's "Sal" about why there weren't any African-Americans on the "Wall of Fame" in Sal's Pizzeria.
At Cannes, Lee criticized Clint Eastwood for not featuring any African-American fighting men in his two World War II pictures.
He was specifically referring to "Flags Of Our Fathers," about the four soldiers who raised the flag over Iwo Jima in the iconic photograph, and "Letters From Iwo Jima," about the Japanese soldiers who fought there.
"Clint Eastwood is a great film maker and I respect his work, and he did two films about Iwo Jima back to back, and there was not one black soldier in both of those films," Lee said. "Add the running times of both films, that's about four hours. ... Many veterans, African-Americans who survived that war are upset at Clint Eastwood for not even having one, but Clint Eastwood is a great director and that was his vision. His vision of Iwo Jima: Negro soldiers did not exist. Simple as that you know. I have a different version."
Lee's version, "Miracle at St. Anna," is about four African-American soldiers who get trapped in an Italian village.
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No "soldiers," per se, were actually on Iwo Jima at all -- only Marines -- but more to the point there weren't many African-Americans on Iwo Jima at the time of the flag being raised.
The military was segregated; It's estimated that around 900 of the 250,000 Americans who came ashore were African-American -- members of the 8th Ammunition Company.
Los Angeles Times entertainment writer Tim Rutten made that historical note and said that "looking back over Eastwood’s directorial career –- including his Oscar-winning films 'Unforgiven' and 'Million Dollar Baby' -– there’s probably no filmmaker of similar stature in Hollywood history who has so unself-consciously created central roles for actors who just happened to be African American."
Rutten called Lee's charge "bilge."
Eastwood was slightly more feisty in his response.
"A guy like him should shut his face," Eastwood told the Guardian, taking Lee's bait. "Has he ever studied the history?"
Eastwood recalled that Lee "was complaining when I did 'Bird' [the 1988 biopic of Charlie Parker], 'Why would a white guy be doing that?' I was the only guy who made it, that's why. He could have gone ahead and made it. Instead, he was making something else."
There were African-Americans on Iwa Jima, he acknowledged, "but they didn't raise the flag. The story is 'Flags of Our Fathers,' the famous flag-raising picture, and they didn't do that. If I go ahead and put an African-American actor in there, people'd go, 'This guy's lost his mind.' I mean, it's not accurate. ... I'm not in that game. I'm playing it the way I read it historically, and that's the way it is. When I do a picture and it's 90 percent black, like 'Bird,' I use 90 percent black people."
Lee responded to Eastwood today in an interview with ABC News' Sheila Marikar.
"First of all, the man is not my father and we're not on a plantation, either," he told ABCNEWS.com. "He's a great director. He makes his films, I make my films. The thing about it though, I didn't personally attack him. And a comment like, 'A guy like that should shut his face' -- come on Clint, come on. He sounds like an angry old man right there."
"If he wishes, I could assemble African-American men who fought at Iwo Jima, and I'd like him to tell these guys that what they did was insignificant and they did not exist," he said. "I'm not making this up. I know history. I'm a student of history. And I know the history of Hollywood and its omission of the one million African-American men and women who contributed to World War II. Not everything was John Wayne, baby."
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Eastwood is currently working on "The Human Factor," starring Morgan Freeman as Nelson Mandela in a tale about how Mandela used a campaign to have South Africa host the 1995 Rugby World Cup as a chance to unite his country.
- jpt
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hi dems united...been awhile since i have chatted with you. we both agree to disagree with our presidential candidates, but i must say, you have proven yourself tonight on this blog by speaking your honest and unbiased mind. i share that with you.
i do give credit where credit is due. i admire spike lee and the work he has done not only for himself, but america as well....and i will not separate black from white. i think we have had enough of that lately. it just boils down to the simple basic facts of this great country of ours. god bless the usa, and all the diversity, and complexity of it all. that is what makes us so great.
Posted by: carlasue | Jun 7, 2008 2:47:18 AM
Hannah,
The race relations in this country are very complex. It has gotten to the point where it takes on many forms and levels. There are people who hate blacks simply because thats what they were taught to do. There are some who hate blacks because of some personal trauma imposed upon them by someone of color. There are some who are not racist but project their personal stereotypes on race unto an entire race, I think that most of us are guilty of this at some level.
But, it bothers me when idiots like Spike Lee, who has even criticized Will Smith, opens their mouth about race that makes us look bad. I say "us" because I am black. Many of us do not share his views. And for him to try to smear Eastwood is just unimaginable.
Posted by: DemsUnited | Jun 7, 2008 12:56:24 AM
how come when there's always a complaint of lack of presentation or discrimination, it's usually Black-Americans. We don't usually hear from or about Indian- Hispanic- or Asian-Americans. As far as I know, Hispanic population are more than Blacks. And also, Indian-Americans suffered far more than Blacks in our history.
Posted by: hannah | Jun 7, 2008 12:48:18 AM
You know, as a black man, I want to say that in my opinion, Spike Lee's films have been about 50/50. Half of them good, half of them bad, With "Malcolm X" being his best directorial outing.
Having said that, Spike Lee's attitude and the attitude of people like him disgusts me. When i see a movie, I am not concerned with the color of the actors in those films. I am concerned with whether or not the actor fit the part and if it works with the film.
Spike needs to take his divisive, hate mongering, media attention addicted, ass out of the public lime light. He gives blacks a bad name that are trying to get past the racial divisions he seems to keep throwing in people's face. That "plantation" reference was not necessary.
Posted by: DemsUnited | Jun 7, 2008 12:41:17 AM
I can't wait to see the Nation of Islam's body guards when Wright, Pfleger, and Meeks preach on the White House lawn. Are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson reverends? Sorry, can't remember. This is what's coming. MLK is rolling over in his grave. Can't wait to see how many angry people show up for the Easter egg hunt.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | Jun 7, 2008 12:31:17 AM
If anyone should be complaining about their lack of representation in any movie about World War II it would be the Hispanics.
In my home state, there were an extraordinary amount of Hispanics who proudly served in all branches of the U.S. Military during World War II, a large percentage of whom participated in and survived the Bataan Death March.
There was finally a movie made a few years back regarding the Navajo Code Talkers and their important role during WWII. I just wish one of these directors would consider making a movie regarding the patriotic Hispanics who have fought and gave their lives for this country voluntarily and uncomplainingly.
Posted by: Lee | Jun 7, 2008 12:23:04 AM
Spike Lee, what have you done lately,
If you found some African-American men who were in Iwo Jima then you could assemble them, get their story and make a movie about them.
So, I vote with Clint, shut you face!
Only I would also add, shut your ugly face!
Posted by: The beat goes on! | Jun 6, 2008 11:28:46 PM
wow... the fact that so many people are bringing obama into this discussion makes me sad. are we really that stuck on race? is obama the race lightning rod now? race is an issue because we keep insisting on making it an issue. leave it be, and lets love and respect one another.
having said that, spike lee should shut the hell up.
Posted by: benjamin | Jun 6, 2008 10:28:10 PM
Preview of things to come.
Posted by: Ken | Jun 6, 2008 10:15:44 PM
yup, this is the way we're all headed...more racially divisive than the past 30 years or so.
Posted by: rachel | Jun 6, 2008 9:58:28 PM
Good Grief! We have 2 wars going on, gas heading toward $6.00 a gallon, the economy in the tank and all Spike Lee can do is complain about a freakin' movie that didn't have AAs in it? Does he ever get tired of whining ?
Posted by: Vickie | Jun 6, 2008 9:13:00 PM
What Spike Lee should do is take Clint Eastwood's advice and S H U T H I S
F A C E ! ! !
Clint Eastwood has more talent in his pinky fingernail than Spike Lee has in his whole body.
So, Mr Lee, put away your deck of race-cards and take Mr Eastwood's advice.
It appears that Mr Lee either doesn't know his history or is blinded by his self-indulgance. Every photo I've ever seen of the flag being raised on Iwo-Jima had NO black soldiers among the four.
So, swallow your professional jealousy, Mr Lee, and shut your face.
You're a shining example of the folks that are systematically trying to distort the American image.
Posted by: CW-in-Wichita | Jun 6, 2008 8:55:01 PM
Mr. Eastwood: You kick butt! Bravo.
Posted by: Vnd | Jun 6, 2008 8:21:55 PM
Idiots are idiots, no matter what color. And Spike Lee is once again confirming his status as Top Idiot. What, exactly, is gained by fabricating racial wrongs where there are none? OH! That's right! It gets his name in the media! Clint put it perfectly - Spike should shut his face and quit embarrassing himself.
Posted by: MWF | Jun 6, 2008 8:21:21 PM
Spike! Lay off the crack. You can't be that desperate for attention. If you were half the director Clint is, you wouldn't have to stoop to bs race cards. Seriously, you owe Clint an apology. Nuff said.
Posted by: Hey! | Jun 6, 2008 8:15:48 PM
Jake Tapper...I think we once were both progressive so I say what I say in that spirit.
Dude, you are dead wrong. DEAD WRONG.
Spike Lee has made it his business to criticize the institutional impact of Hollywood choosing to portray one type of AA. He criticized Quentin Tarentino for using n word over 40 times in just one movie.
He went after Hollywood AND opened the door for Black film makers in the 1980s. There haven't been this many AA film makers since Blaxploitation flicks. He went after rappers and others for their demeaning images also.
He is an equal opportunity offender PERIOD.
As far as bringing up Do the Right Thing...well it is catchy but is it meaningful.
Clinton Eastwood might be telling it like it is SO EVERYONE CHEERS DIRTY HARRY, but when you throw around "you people" generally we know exactly what you mean. Eastwood is better than that and he should watch his language.
Posted by: Genna | Jun 6, 2008 8:01:06 PM
If Barrack Obama would be white, he would not be the Democratic Nominee for President!
If Spike Lee would be white, he would not be a Movie Director!
And that tells you the true story of current American Society!
Maybe Barrack and Spike could emigrate to Zimbabwe and show there of what material they are made of. LMAO
Posted by: mesmer | Jun 6, 2008 7:49:41 PM
Spike has no point in this instance because Spike is wrong about blacks being relevant to the fundamental plot of these particular movies. And as one person points out, blacks were in fact shown in the first movie. I can't help but wonder if Spike didn't have a similar complaint about "Band of Brothers." It sounds like the reality that there were no black soldiers in the 82nd Airborne jumping into Normandy on D-Day, and the reality that there were not any blacks in Captain Winters’ company or battalion, would not prevent Spike from making a baseless petty complaint about that mini-series also. When Band came out I was still in the Navy, and a black friend of mine who was also in the Navy would not watch the mini-series because there were no blacks in it. Like it was captain Winters’ fault that the Army was segregated and there were no blacks in his unit?
Posted by: B K | Jun 6, 2008 7:45:45 PM
This is sad, as I read the post at this site one thin rings loud and clear. Racism is Stronger than ever. Spike Lee's comment has nothing to do with Barack Obama.
Posted by: Jason | Jun 6, 2008 7:45:07 PM
Spike has no point in this instance because Spike is wrong about blacks being relevant to the fundamental plot of these particular movies. And as one person points out, blacks were in fact shown in the first movie. I can't help but wonder if Spike didn't have a similar complaint about "Band of Brothers." It sounds like the reality that there were no black soldiers in the 82nd Airborne jumping into Normandy on D-Day, and the reality that there were not any blacks in Captain Winters’ company or battalion, would not prevent Spike from making a baseless petty complaint about that mini-series also. When Band came out I was still in the Navy, and a black friend of mine who was also in the Navy would not watch the mini-series because there were no blacks in it. Like it was captain Winters’ fault that the Army was segregated and there were no blacks in his unit?
Posted by: B K | Jun 6, 2008 7:44:33 PM
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