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Hillary as VP does NOT work for me. I will NEVER vote Obama, not now or EVER whether Hillary is on the ticket as VP or not. Obama is unqualified and unelectable. The democrats are foolish if they nominate him. Really foolish.

The best thing for Hillary, in my humble opinion is to stay off the ticket, have Obama trounced in general election and run in 2012.

In the meantime, let's raise a glass to hopefully the political implosion of Barack Obama BEFORE the DNC convention in August when the DNC will come crawling back to Hillary!

Let the long overdue vetting finally begin!

If it doesn't happen, then vote for McCain.

The Democratic party MUST be held accountable for their failure to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism, and voter disenfranchisement continually interjected into this campaign by Obama, his campaign, nasty supporters and ALL media. In fact, the DNC is complicit in disenfranchising voters in Michigan, Florida and elsewhere. It's unacceptable.

Paybacks are hell, but necessary.

If we fail to speak out now, WHEN???????????

*You must do the thing which you think you cannot do* Eleanor Roosevelt

Self immolation:

watch?v=DLNFsl130_Y

I raise you this bet, there will be a ground swell in Denver should HRC attempt to take hold of the nomination. It is unseemly, unthinkable, and worse unfeeling.

truth and honesty

Obama has energised 1/2 of the Democratic party and 98% of the media.

I think that it's way too soon to see if it will be 30% or only 20% of Hillary voters will be going to McCain...actually it depends on Obama...If Hillary is not the VP then we are going elsewhere!

Cindy in Nc,

I agree.
I hope Hillary would thinktwice before she accepts Obama's offer to become his VP.
Especially after Jimmy Carter's comments sounded like nailed her down.
Just be prepare, right now the pundits already asked Hillary for help,if Obama failed, She would be the one to be blamed also.
It's just too bad Hillary was agree to campaign with him all the times.

The vote didn't really change much in the last few contests. You could project those wins from the demographics, as people like Jay Cost at RCP did. There was a little softening, which was due to various factors, including Clinton's hard campaigning, her taking on underdog status as it was clear Obama was going to win the delegate count, Obama pulling back from those states and campaigning against McCain in potential November swing states, etc. But generally both coalitions held.

Probably what hurt Obama more than anything was Wright. That was hard for people to understand. Personally I don't think the worst few minutes of Wright reflect anything about Obama, but I can see how it was shocking to people.

It is possible for Obama supporters to overplay the extent to which he can effect gas prices, or whatever. But in general it's clear to me that McCain is going to keep America going in the same direction as it has been under Bush. If you don't think it made a difference having Bush instead of Gore as President, well, that's your opinion, but I disagree. Likewise it makes a difference if it's McCain or Obama.

Pointing out toxic McCain policies may seem like blackmail to Clinton supporters, but unfortunately it's still true. Clinton supporters do have a responsibility to educate themselves about what exactly a McCain White House would mean, whether they plan to vote for him or just stay home.

The more Clinton supporters denigrate Obama, the less likely it is that Clinton could win in 2012. People's memories aren't that short. If division among Democrats gives the White House to McCain, Clinton won't be a popular candidate for the nomination in 2012. Payback could continue for a long time. It could even start with the NY Senate race. And of course Clinton would get any cabinet job she wanted under Obama, which is a better platform for her next run than maybe not even getting back into the Senate. This all depends on how much people hold on to their anger. Both sides can hold on to it, you know.

Anyway, I'm not telling anyone to vote for Obama who doesn't like him. But there is a duty we all have to make an informed vote.

Cindy:

Yes. And the only reason he "barely" beat Hillary was due to that "rock star" image they were all promoting for him back at the beginning of the campagin.

By the end of the campaign, the "rock star" image was fading fast, and the only ones still falling for it were the MSM, the ones who were promoting it to begin with, without knowing ANYTHING about this guy.

The real people out there, the voters, were already seeing through the facade, and that is why Hillary won the majority of the primaries during the last three months of the campaign, many by landslides.

All that money, the huge rallies to promote a rock star image, the DNC backing, the media in his pocket, the race card played all the time, and Oprah calling him "The One".

And Obama barely beat Hillary.
And Obama barely leads McCain.

He won... but to millions of us, a flashy smile and a good speech is not enough.

"Lee" I think you are right. Hillary should stay away from Obama--as much as possible...no VP.

If his presidency is a disaster--if more comes out about him, or he makes a few unpopular decisions contrary to what he promised, the backlash will be huge.

The fanatical adoration of Obama will fade fast--and hope and change will be gone.

Let's hope Hillary is far away from the White House so she cannot be blamed.
If she is his VP they will once again blame the Clintons for his failure.

McCain08 Hillary2012

Dear PT,

"And how do you like paying $4 a gallon?"

Please...enough of the sheep fear mentality! I ask you, exactly what plan does your Obama have to reduce the cost of fuel at the pump in the next four years?

If Obama wins the GE than he will be in office from 2009 to 2012. Yet, I can't find any energy plan or proposal he has that does anything to decrease the cost of fuel at the pump during these actual 4 years. Most of his plans offered make a difference from 2013 to 2050 if passed and if paid for, if and only if future administrations, the world market, and conditions remain unchanged from today.

What will he do when he is elected to bring down the cost of fuel at the pump?

NOTHING! He, as President, does not control the price of fuel. Fuel is a market commodity. For the most part, this is a free market economy. The only potential reprieve, a temporary band-aid really to pander for votes, would have been the gas tax holiday.

Energy costs are going to continue to climb. Gas price is rising because of increased global demand from India and China, now increasingly industrial and tech countries versus their agrarian past, and because of the habitually weak US dollar.

No candidate from either party, can bring down the cost of fuel. Both candidates could offer up some kind of energy tax credit, which just means bigger debt or something else has to be cut too.

If you are an American struggling with your energy consumption expense, you do have choices...choices Europeans have been making for ages. You can trade your vehicle for a more fuel efficient model. You can carpool or take mass transit to work. You can live closer to your employment. You can upgrade the energy efficiency of your home's systems, appliances, and lighting. You can give up weekends on your four wheelers and powerboats and try bicycles and kayaks.

We pay more for gas because we are increasingly greedy consumers. And, we still pay much less than most people of the industrial world. What will bring down costs is a concentrated effort in curbing consumption. It's supply and demand. Please stop trying to scare the masses with sound bites, fear, and false hope. Americans need to take a good hard look at the truth, which usually means taking a good hard look at oneself!

A glipse into Obama's presidency?

$15 million in gov't grants to Trinity church--the one that hates our government.

$200,000 earmarked by Obama to Father Pfleger.
Obama wants to raise taxes. What will he do with our tax money?

And maybe a Rezko pardon after a few years--to return a favor?

Do some research about Obama's type of politics in Chicago. Obama says he is different--

McCain08/Hillary2012

What worries me the most about Hillary having said that she will do anything Obama needs her to do in his campaign is that he will soon come to realize that the ONLY way he stands a CHANCE of winning in November is to indeed ask her to be his Vice-President.

Accepting the V.P. slot will only prove to be a Catch 22 for Hillary. If she accepts the position, and Obama does indeed win, she would be guaranteed to become President if and when any MAJOR scandal involving Obama erupts and he would be forced to resign. However, if that were to happen, I feel that in 2012 she would go the way of Gerald Ford in 1976 and be defeated, as being part and parcel of the Obama scandal, even if she had nothing to do with it, as Ford had nothing to do with Nixon's (other than the pardon).

If she agrees to be his running mate, and the scandal erupts before he has a chance to be elected, then the ticket would go down to certain defeat in November, and she would once again be tarnished for having thrown in with him by agreeing to be his V.P.

As much as I feel she DESERVES to be offered the second slot on the ticket, strategically, I don't feel she should accept. However, if she doesn't, and he loses in November with an alternative running mate, once again, all of the blame for HIS failures will be heaped upon Hillary.

After Hillary's speech I switched over to MSNBC to see if they were already kissing up to Hillary.

And there they were Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann sheepishly singing Hillary's praises.

They are so afraid the object of their man-crush (Obama)won't win. The media that treated the Clintons like crap just look like a bunch of hypocrites now.

This campaign revealed the true character of a lot of people good and bad.

McCain08 Hillary2012

It's a misconception that there's some advantage to Hillary in only suspending her campaign in terms of still being able to fund-raise. That would only be true if she'd accepted public financing. As it is, she could accept donations up until the convention even if she dropped out.

Lee: Everyone knows that Obama can't win the election without Clinton supporters. They are close enough to half the party. Clinton supporters are going to decide this election.

If Clinton had won, then she would need Obama supporters, who are also close to half the party, though.

It was a close thing, but there's a lot to be said for facing up to reality. The reality is that Obama had as much support as Clinton, but played the technical game better; and now it's him or McCain.

I don't know how much people know about McCain, but they should look into his policies on health care, or stopping Bush's somewhat successful negotiations with North Korea, or the fact that his main economic adviser Phil Gramm is considered one of the architects of the current financial crisis... I could go on.

What continues to amaze me is the gall of the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Party leaders to just insist that Hillary had to throw everything she had worked so hard for all these months in the tank and get behind Obama IMMEDIATELY. Like it is her responsibility alone to unite the Party and make sure Obama wins in November.

The DNC and the Super Delegates were the ones who made CERTAIN that Obama became the party's nominee, so it would seem to me that it is THEIR responsibility to get him elected, not Hillary's.

The gall of these people is just absolutely amazing. If they need her help so badly, and need her to support Obama so badly, what does that say about the candidate they literally gave the nomination to? If they were so certain that he would be the best candidate against McCain, why do they care what "unelectable" Hillary does with her millions of supporters?

Posted by: Lee | Jun 8, 2008 2:55:21 AM

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Lee you are a genius! I think they will never let her be, anything and everything BAD they will perceive and rant that it is her fault.
I wish she would regroup go independent as I have done and tell them to pound sand!

There is no doubt the democrats nominated the weaker nominee. They did so because President Bush has damaged the party so badly, they feel Dennis Kucsinich could win if he was the nominee.

So they are going to take the opporunity to push affirmative action and expand their base.

However, nothing will make the country more upset than a lame duck or innefective president. Obama has made so many stupid campaign promises that its virtually impossible for him to be a success as president.

So in 4 years, a new republican cycle will begin.

It doesn't really mean much in terms of this "What if it turns out Barack Obama is really a cyborg" fatalism. Whether or not her campaign has been suspended, she would have a rightful claim to the nomination if Obama self-immolated and the party suddenly needed a sub. AND JAKE, THERE IS SUCH A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT WILL HAPPEN. STAY TUNED FOLKS! NO VOTES FOR OBAMA!

Date: 06/08/2008 01:40AM

As a liberal who has lived in Europe the last twenty years I will nevertheless vote/work actively for McCain this Fall because I am a patriot before I am a Democrat.

America is not France, nor should it be, but the very least one expects from any presidential candidate is someone who has undying love and loyalty for his/her own country, two very basic qualities sorely lacking in Barack Obama, - evident in the choice of his wife, as well as his 'sole' spiritual advisor/mentor of over twenty years, the card-carrying “whitey hater” himself, Rev. Wright, who he defended wholeheartedly, comparing to his very own 'white' grandmother, then later threw under the bus for some cheap votes.

The DNC made a grave error this time around and will pay dearly for their greed this November. They may have 'sidelined' Hillary this time around, but there remains fortunately, yet another patriot in her place, John McCain. This true American hero/independent thinking maverick, who already laid down his life for this country once before, will wipe off his shoes with the likes of a Michelle, Rev. Wright & Barack Hussein this Fall - with enthusiastic help from the most loyal of Hillary's 18 MILLION STRONG supporters.

Hillary supporters, writing in her name is not going to be as effective as voting for John McCain. Let McCain clean up George Dubyas mess so that Hillary can get get a fresh start in 2012.

As for her being VP - it's not going to happen, because Obama will never win. Besides, why should she play second fiddle to a vacuous poseur like Nobama?

i accepted that hillary is out at least for now. so i did what i have been saying for months that i would do if hillary was not the nominee. i signed up for mccains campaign online last night, and already got a phone call from them this morning. not a recording, a real person. come to think of it i never got a phone call from hillary's campaign hmmm!.

What continues to amaze me is the gall of the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Party leaders to just insist that Hillary had to throw everything she had worked so hard for all these months in the tank and get behind Obama IMMEDIATELY. Like it is her responsibility alone to unite the Party and make sure Obama wins in November.

The DNC and the Super Delegates were the ones who made CERTAIN that Obama became the party's nominee, so it would seem to me that it is THEIR responsibility to get him elected, not Hillary's.

The gall of these people is just absolutely amezing. If they need her help so badly, and need her to support Obama so badly, what does that say about the candidate they literally gave the nomination to? If they were so certain that he would be the best candidate against McCain, why do they care what "unelectable" Hillary does with her millions of supporters?

Why would God get involved in American politics and in case he did why would he endorse Anti-Americanism?