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Bill Clinton Invokes the "Bad Dreams" of a Former P.O.W.

July 06, 2008 11:36 AM

Former President Bill Clinton spoke at the Aspen Ideas Festival where, in a conversation about global issues and philanthropy with Aspen Institute vice president Jane Wales, he made one comment that at least one attendee -- The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg -- took as a shot at presumptive GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

In a conversation about former South African president Nelson Mandela, Clinton talked about Mandela's ability to forgive his captors.

"Didn't you hate them?" Clinton recalled asking Mandela privately, referring to Mandela's final steps as a prisoner walking to freedom.

"'Sure I did,'" Mandela said, per Clinton. "'I felt anger and hatred and fear. And I realized if I kept hating them, once I got in that car and got through the gate I would still be in prison. So I let it go because I wanted to be free.'"

Continued Clinton: "Every living soul on the planet has some often highly justified anger. Everybody… If you know anybody who was a P.O.W. for any length of time, you will see, you go along for months or maybe even years and then something will happen and it will trigger all those bad dreams, and it will come back, it may not last 30 seconds…"

But Mandela has avoided that, Clinton said, because he has "disciplined himself and his mind and his heart and his spirit."

Watch HERE. The P.O.W. reference comes at about 4:28 into the clip.

Writes Goldberg: "Not too subtle. Astonishingly, his interviewer, former Clinton Administration official Jane Wales, didn't follow-up. One subject Clinton didn't talk about at all: Barack Obama. He seemed to go out of his way, in fact, not to mention Obama's name. Which, when you think about, calls into question whether the P.O.W. shot was actually an intentional shot at all. On the other hand, I believe that Bill Clinton doesn't say things by accident."

What do you think? Was Clinton referring to McCain, who was a Vietnam P.O.W. for 5 1/2 years? Or is Goldberg reading too much into it?

- jpt

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First off "Manjella", as Clinton likes to call him, was not a PoW.

Second, Clinton has been telling that story for at least 10 years now.

Posted by: ZZxxI | Jul 8, 2008 9:56:31 PM

I see.

The media has finally concluded that without the Clintons, the post primary political times are boring because we have two boring candidates running for the office.

In the end, the American people will end up with the short end of the stick once again because neither of these candidates will be able to deliver on anything. Mark my words.

Except, Obama is clearly the better alternative of the two candidates.

Posted by: Sam | Jul 7, 2008 11:29:46 PM

This is journalistic gossip, started by Goldberg and jumped on by others. Ultimately, it's a reflection of the journalists who perpetuate the POW remark, not of Bill Clinton.

Posted by: kat | Jul 7, 2008 7:12:17 PM

There's context that clearly demonstrates exactly who and and what Clinton was talking about and shame on Goldberg and shame on you for trying to stir the pot of anti-Clinton hatred some more with such silliness. Use some common sense for once.

Posted by: Kija Persson | Jul 7, 2008 5:38:04 PM

Perhaps it was a direct quote from da "Dreams" from no other, the phony BoO.

Posted by: skinny dog | Jul 7, 2008 1:32:06 PM

only Senator Clinton was capable of being the best President that our children, our troops and our Nation desperately needs right now.....its on your conscience if you choose to support a lesser candidate (mccain/obama) to somehow make our future better

Posted by: chris | Jul 7, 2008 1:01:36 PM

So what if McCain has a terrible temper and probably has Post Trumatic Stress Disorder from being a POW. I don't care, I just want another republican in the white house.

Posted by: brigitte | Jul 7, 2008 12:39:24 PM

A draft Dodger talking about POW, funny thing was Mandela even a POW or a Political Prisoner?? Does not Clinton know the difference?

Posted by: spock | Jul 7, 2008 12:22:59 PM

I cannot believe that the media spends so much time analyzing what Bill Clinton does or does not mean. When Clinton decides he is going to send a message I do not think there will be any mystery about it. The man is not shy about voicing his opinion.

Posted by: David H | Jul 7, 2008 11:31:56 AM

Vanessa, it's time for Obama and his followers to grow up. He'll win or lose this thing on his own. Stop blaming Hillary for his failure to deliver.

Posted by: HoosierSue | Jul 7, 2008 9:23:40 AM

well, we can understand why goldberg and some of you would want to read more into this story than there is.

but for those who still have a conscience of fair and balanced.

we can still go outside and look up and if it is blue, we can say the sky is blue today.

and with this story-we can clearly see,
President Bill Clinton was talking about Nelson Mandela.

Posted by: jgaw | Jul 7, 2008 8:48:59 AM

Being tortured for over 3 years is likely to dangerously warp your judgement.
If an enemy had tortured me for over 3 years it would most likely make me want to bomb, bomb, bomb any country giving us trouble instead of trying diplomacy first.

Posted by: CaptainVideo | Jul 7, 2008 8:27:55 AM

"Was Clinton referring to McCain, who was a Vietnam P.O.W. for 5 1/2 years?"

Who cares?

Posted by: sgp | Jul 7, 2008 8:13:08 AM

I don't think any rational, fair-minded person thinks Bill Clinton is a Hater or Full of Anger.
Some of you put to much stock in the msm, It has now become a sport for some in the msm to try and put the clinton' in a bad light.
yesterday on cnn, there was a story that bill had said some particular thing or another, and the cnn people kept saying it was just a rumor, but the cnn people kept saying it anyway, and it disgust me how they keep laugh under their breath, and say it, just as if it is some inside joke, as if we the public cannot see the way they report on the clintons.
You know the clinton'-bill and his foundation do a lot to help people in need. Do you EVER hear the msm report it? NO, but what you do get from them is-things such as how is the foundation funded-NEVER anything about the good the foundation does.
remember when the msm were just all over,and acting like a pack of wolves, about the "when is she going to release her taxes?" she told them when she was going to release her taxes. and then it was-"what is she hiding?"- Taxes were releases, and the people on msnbc, and cnn were you can be sure there are people in back rooms sitting up all night going over these taxes with a fine tooth comb. Well, they sat up all night-and found---drumroll,please-----
NOTHING! chris matthews, and a reporter on fox both almost said the same thing,
"It seems, after going over these taxes, the clinton' are almost suckers"
because they gave so much to charity, and paid so much in taxes.

so annie, don't believe it when the msm tell you bill clinton is Mad and angry,
I am sure he was disappointed, and maybe mad, but don't buy the stuff the msm tells you, it is their calling to blow-things all out of preportion when it comes to the clintons.

Posted by: jgaw | Jul 7, 2008 8:00:11 AM

Sounds like Bill should follow Nelson's advice & give up the hate & anger...

Posted by: Annie | Jul 7, 2008 1:13:03 AM

I wonder if Senator McCain's many trips to Vietnam and his work to improve relations with Vietnam is a product of his 71 years of age and 5 years of brutal treatment as a POW or a living example of the Mandela's philosophy of getting over the hate.

Posted by: piscivorous | Jul 6, 2008 10:34:17 PM

sims said:

"However, Bill didn't say it but I will. I would not vote for anyone Democrat or Republican, that is 71 years old and was a prisoner of war for over 5 years>"

hmmm.

That's quite a message for any members of our military who might be thinking about returning home one day and plodding the political turf.

Should they have been heroes or POWS they could no longer have the opportunity lead us because their brains might have been turned to putty in their struggles.

And should they have been heroes AND come home and given even more to their counry via the congress or s enate..and reached the age of 70... which, according to Oprah, would be today's 60...they DEFINITELY would be deleted from running for POTUS!

BUT... let an empty suit suffering from megalomania and the written hype of two quasi-autobiographical novels...enter the scene with an empty slate to match his suit....

We got rid of the best candidate because she was a woman!

You now suggest we should get rid of MCCAIN because he is too olde for you!

OH! i get it!

WE SHOULD VOTE FOR THE ONE WITH THE LEAST CREDENTIALS!!!

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!!!!!

Posted by: egads! | Jul 6, 2008 8:23:25 PM

why do people have to "get over it"

of course, a person will vote for whoever they want to vote for.

but in doing that, they don't have to
"get over" anything,

Posted by: jgaw | Jul 6, 2008 7:35:31 PM

Conservatism is a bankrupt ideology.

Posted by: Karen | Jul 6, 2008 7:25:29 PM

Jack, vote for McCain if you like, but get over it and move on.

Posted by: Sims | Jul 6, 2008 7:13:10 PM

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