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Clintonism and Feminism -- VP Edition
July 29, 2008 12:26 PM
I've been hearing from a lot of Democrats that if Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, picks a woman other than Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, to be his vice president, then it will be disastrous for him. Clinton supporters will flock to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in droves, it will be perceived as a tremendous insult to her, it's a horrible idea.
So tough luck Gov. Kathleen Sibelius of Kansas, Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona and all the rest!
Here's my question -- isn't this attitude completely antithetical to the notion of breaking glass ceilings? Didn't she run not just so she could be president, but so it would be easier for other women to do so?
Discuss.
- jpt
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I have noticed that there is certainly a pattern in the general election campaign. One candidate is offering to build up personal responsibility, stabilize the terribly inefficient and inequitable health care system, and refocus our financial resources to solve our problems instead of those of oil-producing nations abroad. The other is simply trying to tear down the other instead of building a better America. So far completely deregulated markets like savings and loans and mortgages has worked out well and pumping tremendous resources into projecting military force abroad have worked out well in the past! I can't think of anything that would make a terrorist happier than to know that we willingly give up our prosperity by shifting our resources away from our needs and to solving everyone else's problems in the world!
Posted by: Lewis | Jul 31, 2008 1:53:54 AM
Wow, the angry Hillaryites still coming out of the woodwork. Face it -- Obama is not and will not be picking her for VP. That Bobby Kennedy comment pretty much cemented the deal.
Posted by: AG | Jul 30, 2008 1:55:00 PM
Wow! Not only has Obama dissed my girl, now he's gonna distance himself from ALL women? We will be moving backward. At least the republicans take the Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as a serious VP not just a token.
Posted by: Janet | Jul 30, 2008 10:23:27 AM
"for every Clinton supporter who will vote for McCain, there are 100 who will vote for Obama), good riddance. Your candidate was defeated and you do not call the shots. This is not complicated."
Excellent point and well said! Thank you!
Obama 08!
Posted by: Common Sense | Jul 30, 2008 8:01:29 AM
"She ran a bad campaign for the first half of the primaries and that caused her to lose. It's that simple.
Sorry, folks. It's the truth."
That is only a half-truth. She ran a bad campaign the second half, too! Race-bating, fear-mongering, buying into whatever would get headlines, overspending, etc.
Jake is right. It is anti-women's progress for the Hillary supporters to scorn and shun other woman as veep choice.
Obama 08!
Posted by: Common Sense | Jul 30, 2008 7:50:55 AM
Hillary Clinton remains the most qualified and most electable candidate for President.
The Democrats would be really foolish to cast her aside in favor of the unqualified, unelectable Barack Obama.
The superdelegates will decide this nomination as neither Hillary or Obama earned enough delegates out right, they should cast their votes for the most electable candidate for November. That candidate is and shall remain Hillary Clinton.
The DNC must open up this convention next month to included BOTH Hillary and Obama's names placed in nomination. Hillary has earned the right to have her name placed in nomination along with Obama. BOTH names should be on voting ballots, BOTH candidates should be allowed to speak and have speakers on their behalf, BOTH candidates should have votes cast secretly, and gasp, COUNT ALL THE VOTES! What are the DNC and Obama afraid of? Losing? Actual Democracy? A closed, fixed convention is unacceptable. CALL, WRITE< DEMAND the DNC OPEN UP THIS CONVENTION!
IN 1932, FDR came into the Democratic convention 90 delegates short of the needed number and he WON on the 4th (FOURTH) ballot! Wow! Wasn't that democracy in action?
If the Dems are foolish and nominate Obama, put your country first and party second and vote for McCain in 08 and Hillary in 2012.
"No self respecting woman should wish for or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex" Susan B. Anthony
Right on sister Susan! Democrats can't win with out women and new polls confirm what we all know, women are going to vote for McCain over Obama. Paybacks are hell, but necessary!
Posted by: 4U | Jul 29, 2008 11:37:42 PM
dl:
I finally agree with you on something!
Hillary would be a total fool to play VP to Obama.!
She would be spending all of her time cleaning up after his boneheaded messes.
These are turbulent times....
Should Obama win.... let him struggle through them on "words... just words".
Should prove interesting.. albeit disastrous.
Posted by: hmmmmm | Jul 29, 2008 11:06:56 PM
She ran a bad campaign for the first half of the primaries and that caused her to lose. It's that simple.
Sorry, folks. It's the truth.
Posted by: everwrites | Jul 29, 2008 9:33:14 PM
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Well.... if you're looking for the person who ran the best campaign.... you should nominate Axelrod!!!!!
Posted by: beween the ears. | Jul 29, 2008 10:42:16 PM
I think right now you all should be more nervous if Obama picks Kaine
he is both anti choice (although like Bush when he was running said he wouldn't over turn Roe...and then changed )
and Kaine is anti-gay rights.
I know lots of you on here right now say you wouldn't pick oBama because of Hillary...
but I have to say...if obama picked Kaine he would be making it very tough for anyone in the base.
Especially if McCain has enough leeway and clearance provided by a Kaine vp choice to pick a Ridge.
as most of you know I am the biggest obama guy out there but this Kaine guy ,,,whoowee... if obama picked him would certainly take the wind out of my sails...along with half of his base.
Posted by: dl | Jul 29, 2008 10:25:52 PM
No, Jake. I just want Hillary. Being from St. Louis, I have to say that Claire McCaskill couldn't even run her own business in Missouri. As Democrats, our family voted for her when she ran against Jim Talent. We all pretty much regret that.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | Jul 29, 2008 10:11:44 PM
The difference between Senator Clinton and the other "special women" that Jake Tapper nominates as alternatives to breaking the glass ceiling is that Senator Clinton has paid and paid and paid and paid her dues, helping many of those same women along the way. The eighteen million supporters of Clinton did not support her to break a glass ceiling, we supported her because she was the best candidate. By definition that makes her the best possible vice-presidential candidate as well. Good luck to the Obama if he fails to recognize that.
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Visualize the Obama!!!
No vetting necessary!!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | Jul 29, 2008 10:07:31 PM
All of this anger and venom aimed at the DNC.
The basic truth is this. The primary race was Hillary's to lose. She had every advantage. More money. More name recognition. More superdelegates. More Governors and Senators backing here. More media coverage. More, more, more, more.
She ran a bad campaign for the first half of the primaries and that caused her to lose. It's that simple.
Sorry, folks. It's the truth.
Posted by: everwrites | Jul 29, 2008 9:33:14 PM
OK Obama supporters, go right on thinking that women who support Hillary want her to be VP. Works for us.
Posted by: Aunt Bea | Jul 29, 2008 8:57:22 PM
I would love to see a qualified woman like Gov. Sibelius on the ticket. I think many women feel this way. The idea that all women everywhere would feel betrayed if a woman other than Sen. Clinton is chosen to be VP is ludicrous. A bunch of angry Clinton supporters have put forward this idea, and the media is running with it, but it really makes no sense whatsoever.
Posted by: Angelina
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You may not believe it but regardless whether Obama picks a woman or a man he will not win the presidency.
There was/is only one true democratic nominee and that is Hillary Rodham Clinton.
And if they do not place her name in Nomination for the First Roll Call, then the democratic party will self-destruct.
Because once again they will give the nomination to Obama, or should I say they will ANNOINT Barack Hussein Obama but he will still lose.
Posted by: TerryDo--PumaPac-40+ | Jul 29, 2008 8:34:22 PM
DNC selecting Obama over Clinton, who has more popular votes, reinforces the reality that an absolutely unqualified, lesser experienced man is promoted over a qualified and experienced woman. Placing a woman on the ticket as VP, if he is the nominee, would only be viewed as placing a token female to meet a goodwill quota....what a schmuck move.
But, really, the underlining issue is that Obama is not qualified to be president, no matter who his choice might be as VP, the fact remains the same: unqualified Obama is still unqualified Obama.
Posted by: hype bites | Jul 29, 2008 7:32:41 PM
Obama is arrogant and has no respect for Hillary's supporters. I have been a lifelong democrat, has switched to being an independent, and will vote for McCain. I will never vote for another democrat again.
Posted by: Maria | Jul 29, 2008 5:38:58 PM
Josh,
I agree, since the RNC already produced an attack ad featuring Bill and Hill's FRAUD case out in California. Just what AMerican wants to vote for, a POTUS that may be indicted for FRAUD 2 weeks after the GE!! I would hate to see my RNC donation dollars go to waste, LOL!
BRING IT ON!!!!
Posted by: McCain '08 | Jul 29, 2008 5:01:44 PM
Joshua Batterson: Yeah, Hillary has them right where she wants them now.
Posted by: DKNY | Jul 29, 2008 4:55:44 PM
Hillary is playing Obama and the DNC for the fools they are. See you all the convention. Why don't you look back at the 1932 convention when the banking crowd tried to steal the nomination from FDR. Same stuff, different year.
Hillary 08
Posted by: Joshua Batterson | Jul 29, 2008 4:39:14 PM
He asked Clintons to campaign with him.
It seems he just using Hillary to get her supporters.
Posted by: catleya | Jul 29, 2008 4:19:49 PM
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