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In Pennsylvania, McCain Tells a New Version of Heroic P.O.W. Story -- Subbing the Pittsburgh Steelers for the Green Bay Packers

July 10, 2008 5:37 PM

Yesterday in Pittsburgh, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., professed his love for the Steelers to KDKA-TV.

Watch HERE.

Asked what first comes to his mind when he thinks of Pittsburgh, McCain chuckled, "the Steelers.  I was a mediocre high school athlete but I loved and adored the sports but the Steelers really made a huge impression on me particularly in my early years."

And then McCain told a rather moving story about his time as a P.O.W. "When I was first interrogated and really had to give some information because of the pressures, physical pressures on me, I named the starting lineup, defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron mates."

"Did you really?" asked the reporter.

"Yes," McCain said.

"In your POW camp?" asked the reporter.

"Yes," McCain said.

"Could you do it today?" asked the reporter.

"No, unfortunately," McCain said.

Here's one reason he likely couldn't do it today -- the Steelers aren't the team whose defensive line McCain named for his Vietnamese tormentors. The Green Bay Packers are. At least according to every previous time McCain has told this story. And the McCain campaign just told ABC News that the senator made a mistake -- it was, indeed, the Packers.

In McCain's best-selling 1999 memoir “Faith of My Fathers,” McCain writes:

“Once my condition had stabilized, my interrogators resumed their work. Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant. Pressed for more useful information, I gave the names of the Green Bay Packers offensive line, and said they were members of my squadron. When asked to identify future targets, I simply recited the names of a number of North Vietnamese cities that had already been bombed.”

In 2005, A&E ran a movie version of "Faith of My Fathers."

And McCain discussed that precise clip on CNN.

The actor playing McCain, asked to name the men in his squadron, says: "Starr; Greg; McGee; Davis; Adderly; Brown; Ringo; Wood."

Cut back to real life. The CNN anchor asks McCain: "For those who don't know the story, were those NFL football players?"

"That was the starting lineup of the Green Bay Packers, the first Super Bowl champions, yes," McCain responded. But it's -- it was the best I could think of at the time."

The movie actually shows this act of defiance twice.

INTERROGATOR: The names of your squadron...
                  
MCCAIN: Starr, Gregg...McGee, Davis...Adderley, Brown, Ringo, Wood.
                  
INTERROGATOR: Ten points, McCain.

MCCAIN: Ray Nitschke, our C.O.

The Packers anecdote is not only a key part of the McCain biography, it's part of his argument against torture.

Explaining why he thinks torture can result in erroneous information, McCain wrote in Newsweek in 2005, "In my experience, abuse of prisoners often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear--whether it is true or false--if he believes it will relieve his suffering. I was once physically coerced to provide my enemies with the names of the members of my flight squadron, information that had little if any value to my enemies as actionable intelligence. But I did not refuse, or repeat my insistence that I was required under the Geneva Conventions to provide my captors only with my name, rank and serial number. Instead, I gave them the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line, knowing that providing them false information was sufficient to suspend the abuse."

McCain's valor as a P.O.W. is beyond admirable, but this business of substituting the Steelers for the Packers is odd, though as I said, the McCain campaign says this was an honest mistake.

- jpt

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jake don't be a hypocrite. when obama misspoke about his uncle/grandfather whoever it was, that helped free a concentration camp, but he stated the wrong camp, you said that this is something distasteful to point out and that we all should let it go.

now that mccain has misspoke about the single most terrifying moment of his life, you think this might MEAN something.

give it up.

Posted by: rachel | Jul 11, 2008 2:31:28 PM

I did not know that story about McCain I have to say I am impressed. I might read more about his POW years.

Posted by: Robin | Jul 11, 2008 2:30:00 PM

He is in WI today, hopefully someone reminds him that he is now in PACKER territory and calls him on his lie!

Posted by: JoAnn | Jul 11, 2008 2:22:41 PM

When does the media pick up on McCain's central theme?

He is a panderer.

He has no ethical center, no governing philosophy, no core values. He gets in front of any group and he panders.

That makes him a liar, inauthentic, insincere, and incapable of governing, because in governing you must choose.

Is he for or against privatizing social security?

Is he for or against balancing the budget?

Is he for or against war with Iran?

Is he for or against renewable energy tax credits?

Is he for or against faith based initiatives?

The pattern is clear - the media's silence is deafening.

And Jake, would you take Obama at his word when he repeatedly calls his convenient pandering "a mistake?"

I thought not.

Posted by: Dollared | Jul 11, 2008 2:17:16 PM

So McCain slipped, and said the wrong name of a sports team. Big, fat, hairy deal. Wow, guys, if you have a purposeful life full of experiences, and a record of serving your country in both war and peace (McCain), then once in awhile you'll remember something wrong. I'm fifty, and I do this all the time. My kids say all their friends' parents do it too. I'm talking about sometimes barely knowing my own name. That's because I have a lot on my plate, not because I'm lying or senile. Those who accuse McCain of lying or senility should get a life, then they will know what I mean.

Posted by: Midwest Mama | Jul 11, 2008 2:11:29 PM

Sound's like sombody has a case of the "senoir moments"...

Posted by: BlueJersey | Jul 11, 2008 1:34:02 PM

Ahh, alas it seems that poor Panama Johnny is already showing signs of senility and demetia :-( Senior moment after senior moment is all that seems to come from him anymore. Now does anyone really want him making any decisions regarding war?

Posted by: BlueJersey | Jul 11, 2008 1:27:22 PM

My, how mavericky!!!

I guess McCain decided he needed Pittsburgh votes more than Wisconsin ones.

Posted by: Southern Beale | Jul 11, 2008 1:17:04 PM

Oh lol...he got the two teams mixed up over the DECADES. I would think given McCains age and how long ago the war was that it would be expected. No big deal..

Posted by: chattyway | Jul 11, 2008 1:12:26 PM

McCain has a pattern of lying for votes. He tries to use the Steelers in his POW story to pander for votes. The funny thing is that Dan Rooney supports Obama. He lied about Obama's position on Iraq, on Obama's position in regards to Pakistan, and Iran. McCain has lied about the effectiveness of Drill Here Drill Now and gas tax holidays. McCain flip flopped on offshore drilling, he flip flopped on the Bush tax cuts, he flip flopped on the confederate flag in SC, he flip flopped on Farwell and other preacher such as Hagee and Parsley. McCain can't keep his story Straight but fine its Politicking. But he should have never used my Steelers for Political gain, because that is personal

Posted by: Thomas Paserba | Jul 11, 2008 11:28:40 AM

I feel bad for all you Americans. Listening to Libearls bash Conservatives and vice versa, and republicans bash democrats and vice versa. You all act like it's 1 side against the other which is actually the way those in power want it.

You also all act like there is a difference between McCain and Obama but there isn't, well except for skin color. They are both elitists, they both don't give a d**n about you or the American public. They won't change anything in your country.

Everything is going down the tube in what was once a great nation and all you Americans are allowing your politicians to do it. No wonder Chomsky said the American public is irrelevant because it is. You all vote and voice your concerns but none of them are ever addressed. Healthcare has been issue since I was born 30 years ago but not once have I seen or heard anything done about. Why? because big business didn't want anything done about it. Same goes for education. Yet all you hear about is Iraq or the economy or for some unknown reason gay marriage and/or abortion (what they have to do with anything I don't know -- with or without either of those two your country is still in shambles).

Your leaders focus on issues that aren't important and ignore the ones that the majority of the population do find important. This happens year after year and none of you zombies do anything about it. I truly feel for all of you as I feel for everybody in this world. Your government along with the rest of our world leaders (I'm Canadian btw) are going to ruin all of our lives and the worst part is we are going to allow or even worse we are going to ask for it.

Heed my warnings. The worst is yet to come.

Your friend from north of the border,

a concerned Canadian.

Posted by: Mark | Jul 11, 2008 11:06:50 AM

McCain changes the story to "Pittsburgh Steelers" when he is campaigning in Pittsburgh! After telling this story about using the "Green Bay Packers" for 30 years? Does McCain think people are stupid enough to think this is a simple mistake, instead of the PANDERING LIE it really was?

Posted by: D | Jul 11, 2008 10:50:48 AM

John McCain's entire campaign is:

"I was a Vietnam POW. So vote for me. I earned it."

This is a deliberate play for sympathy from the liberal boomer press corpse, talking heads in the media who are scared to death to call McCain the lying, pandering, political hack that he truly is because they don't want to suffer a backlash like the one Wesly Clark received.

And McCain is shamlessly exploiting his POW status to shield himsaelf from crioticism. And then he LIES about how he is shamelessly exploiting his POW status.

The media will not touch McCain because thei either feel guilty for not serving in the Military, or are afraid to criticize McCain.

It's sad. Even Jake's story ended with a blurb praising McCain for his "beyond admirable" service in Vietnam.

McCain wants to be President. He should be scrutinized. And Obama is NOT getting away with things. He gets hit for the smallest lttle niggling issues that the press glosses over or makes excuses for McCain over.

Posted by: Hesiod | Jul 11, 2008 10:48:00 AM

Google Obama and "regrets" and see what you come up with. LOL...it's funny. He regrets things all the time right before he throws them under the bus. He regrets everything from intervening to save Teri Shivo, to grossly putting his kids on TV, to Rev Wright, to making bigot statements about middle class white "clinging to their religion and guns". Obama lacks judgment because he panders. How many times have you seen Obama cross the aisle? NONE...NOT ONCE. He never puts his political career at stake like McCain has. McCain is the true moderate and independent. Obama is just another liberal elitist who blames America first, he just has darker skin which makes rich white liberals feel good about themselves.

Posted by: Juan M | Jul 11, 2008 10:43:02 AM

It's interesting that all these (obvious) John Kerry backers are now asking John McCain to stop shoving his military history down our throats!?!?! Surely, you can't be serious. I have just one question for you guys, What did you do when Kerry stepped up to the podium at the 2004 Democratic Convention and said, 'Reporting for Duty'??

Posted by: The Dude | Jul 11, 2008 10:36:34 AM

Now, if only anyone could figure out what the hell Barack Obama thinks of Iraq, public financing, FISA, gun control, Iran, invading Pakistan, his radical past and his crooked associates, we'd all be better off.

But since he changes his positions, opinions and public stances every 37.5 hours, we're left in the dark. His Obamatron supporters here and elsewhere seem to think all of this waffling and lying is just peachy. Unfortunately for them, the country is not made up entirely of brainwashed and star-struck Obamatrons.

Traveling across these 57 states must be making this rookie tired.

Posted by: Good Lt | Jul 11, 2008 10:34:39 AM

I prefer a president who doesn't have daily "senior moments" thank you very much....

Posted by: dan | Jul 11, 2008 10:26:46 AM

Today, John McCain is now saying it was the Packers line.

That makes sense. He's visiting Wisconsin today, so he has to make it look like he's a Packers fan.

Posted by: Juanita | Jul 11, 2008 10:14:21 AM

Give me a break. This is political pandering to the nth degree. If you think a man who has repeated the same story for decades, and even writes about it in a book, all of a sudden 'mis-spoke', while in the midst of enemy territory, isn't pandering, you are daft. Next week it may be both Packers and the Steelers, while under SNIPER fire. This man is giving core Republicans reason to abandon ship, almost on a daily basis.

Posted by: paul mall | Jul 11, 2008 10:03:08 AM

I find it impossible to believe that the North Vietnamese would publicly announce that they were willing to release McCain but that he said, "Thanks but No Thanks." to their offer - so the North Vietnamese just kept McCain as their prisoner. That "story" is fishy. Who is the credible(?) source to that "story"? Betcha anything, only McCain. Whee's the proof?

Posted by: Mary M | Jul 11, 2008 9:59:21 AM

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