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What a Hillary Clinton-esque response by McCain.

Soetoro no? A Police State? Are you kidding me? What in the heck does saying Obama is a liberal makes you think "police state?" The only country that had a "Police State" was Germany and they were Faschists. They were so far to the right of McCain that they made MCCain look like Obama. Obama is wanting to make a universal health insurance situation, how does that qualify as being a Socialist? And I hope they set the standard for Universal Health Insurance on the same situation as in France, which is much better than England or Canada. Everybody is so scared of the word socialism, but they don't know the governments in this world that are considered socialized democracies that are living well in this 21st century. Educate yourselves.

"And EVERYONE in Sweden pays approximately 60% of their earnings in taxes (combined income tax, payroll tax and value-added taxes).
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B U T...
THEY don't have to worry about not being able to afford medicine and needing to do without!

Their schools produce successes rather
than drop-outs!

They don't take money from Paul (social security) to pay Peter (Fanny May, the war. etc )!

I think none of us would bitch and moan about taxes if we felt we were being FAIRLY taxed, and if there were benefits to reap!

Meanwhile

HILLARY BEFORE MCCAIN

but always,

COUNTRY BEFORE BROKEN DOWN DONKEY PARTY

How long before McCain accuses Obama of being a thespian?

Sweden isn't socialist. Most property there is privately owned and controlled. Sweden is a capitalist country with a relatively democratic polity compared to most capitalist countries. If we're going to have capitalism, the least we could do is have Swedish-style capitalism. They live very well over there. I know, I'm married to a Swede and have spent time in Sweden. Life for all Swedes is much better than for most Americans.

Obama may not be a socialist now, but I am curious about his "New Party" membership back in the 90's. I tried to research it but the information available is lacking. Plus, his father was an ardent communist who wrote articles supporting African socialism-guy wrote a dang book about him. He hung with Ayers (or did he?)...his (ex-)pastor's rhetoric is highly populist bordering on Marxist. He was a "community organizer"...I never met a pro free-market one of those.....is it so crazy?

NKA, you wrote: "And what praytell is wrong with Socialism? Look at Sweden, ranked the happiest place to live in the world."

And EVERYONE in Sweden pays approximately 60% of their earnings in taxes (combined income tax, payroll tax and value-added taxes).

The American Dream--being able to achieve success, fame and wealth in life through hard work--will die under Socialism. One of the main tenants of Socialism is wealth redistribution. The government will rob you of your wealth in order to provide free entitlements to the poor and middle class. So where is the incentive to work hard if the government is going to just hand you everything for free? As soon as you accept that concept, you will surrender two of your unalienable Rights--Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness--to the government; and become enslaved to the government.

Ha ha ha ha is McCain being serious? Americans don't know the definition of the word socialist! There are not really even that many socialists left in Europe. But Obama believes in free markets and private enterprise. He is no socialist.

What nonsense. I wish the Republicans could find a different playbook. They've been using this one since 1948. It's ironic given their continued eagerness to privatize corporate profits and socialize corporate losses.

Anyone interested in learning something about Obama should take a look at Ryan Lizza's New Yorker article on Obama's experience in Chicago and Illinois (it's available on line). The article isn't always flattering, but it shows that Obama has always been a shrewd, pragmatic, centrist, non-dogmatic politician.

I for one would like to have a President with those qualities. They certainly beat "head in the sand," "God told me to do it," "I don't admit mistakes," "your either with me or against me." Look where eight years of these "qualities" have gotten us.

And what praytell is wrong with Socialism? Look at Sweden, ranked the happiest place to live in the world. While here in the States we have poverty, an ignorant populace, abysmal education, special interests controlling policy decisions, and no viable healthcare system. Yay for Democracy!

I'm an anarchist. I know the difference between socialism, anarchism, social democrats, communists, and American liberals.

Obama is an American liberal, and one who isn't really that far to the left. He's fairly conservative for a Democrat, except that he has a lot of faith in the grassroots, and knows how to lead large numbers of people. That's the main difference - Clinton still had some of that faith in the New Deal. Obama has very little, and trusts grassroots groups more.

One of Obama's major funders is foreign born international billionaire George Soros (one of the founders and funders of Move On.org) is a socialist. Many of Obama's funders are socialists.

Socialism would be disastrous for the United States. It never works.

Obama would be disastrous for the U.S. He's not qualified to be President. Wake up people! Investigate Obama, the media has failed to. Most Obama supporters have NO idea WHY they support him or WHAT he stands for. It's pathetic and dangerous.

Socialism does not work. Problem is, human beings are greedy. That will NEVER change.

"'Sorry but the European socialized medicine model does NOT afford better care than the US system. "
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Posted by: between the ears. | Jul 19, 2008 12:24:05 AM

DISREGARD WHAT I WROTE!
THE PHONE RANG AND JANGLED MY FINGER AND I POSTED UN-INTENTIONALLY...

Because I KNOW that the quality of our health care..... is rated mighty low !!!

With good reason.

... especially if you're a member of the middle class.....

We already have a socialist government, at least when it comes to bailing out corporations. It's called Wall Street Socialism.

Okay, McCain won't say it, but I will:

Barack Hussein Obama is an extreme, liberal, socialist with tendencies towards governmental policies that are more representative of communist type of idealogy than that of a democratic republic.

'Sorry but the European socialized medicine model does NOT afford better care than the US system. "
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A horizon is N O T a timetable.

It is never militarily expedient to provide your enemies up front with a map of your intended actions.

But this bodes well for McCain because it shows that the surge has been successful after all.

If Mc Cain still finds himself in a bind after another week, he won't just endorse Obama positions on Iran, Afghanistan, and applaud a "horizon," for withdrawal in Iraq, he will have Romnney credit McCain with inventing socialism. Flippity, hippity, hop. Bomb, bomb, bomb, Itan you marvelous apes!

Bush throws McCain off the Bus!

The presumptive Democratic nominee, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, has said he would pull most American combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office. Obama's Republican counterpart, Senator John McCain of Arizona, rejects a timetable for withdrawal and says U.S. forces must remain for as long as necessary to stabilize the country.

Maliki last week called for agreements between US and Iraq to include a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. forces. American officials initially rejected that demand. On Friday July 18, 2008 President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki agreed that a ``general time horizon'' is needed for a phased reduction of U.S. combat troops in Iraq.

58,

I really and truly believe that some of the things FDR did such as social security and the confiscating of everyone's money (gold) and devaluing the currency by 75% was criminal. The social security system we have today we owe in large part to the guns and butter crap that LBJ put upon us when he took social security from a trust to the general fund. What FDR started has been used by countless politicians ever since as a tool to meet their own ends. A temporary benefit would have been better for us long term than what we have now. We are going broke trying to fund this money pit. I wish the people in this country could understand the dangers of a credit based system where the government borrows unlimited amounts of money to fund ponzi schemes that are destined to fail. I am like everyone else, a victim of the system. I will rely to some extent on social security as will most everyone else but I wish I had been given that money to invest on my own. Although I will be a recipient of the benefit, I know it is not what the founders had in mind for us any more than they envisioned us, strapped by the overbearing costs of the debt we owe the FED.

Mr. McDouglas,

I would submit to you that the socio-economic condition you refer to ... the situation we have here that requires a two income family to survive is a product not of our basic constitutional form of government but instead a product of the central banking system we imported from Europe a hundred years ago. The English kings found that a central bank allowed them the luxury of borrowing money for their adventures and instituting an income tax on the population to repay those debts. They no longer had to clip coins to debase their currency. Our politicians ever since Woodrow Wilson have allowed the same thing to be visited upon us. One of my favorite quotes is from Jefferson who said that if ever the banks were allowed to control the issuance of our money we would find ourselves homeless in the land our fathers won for us and it is true. Perhaps the European system is not better or even as good. They have just been taking advantage of our willingness to squander our wealth being the world's policeman. The way to revert back to our constitution is not through an international socialist like we have now trying to pretend he is qualified to be the POTUS.

James Mc...
Sorry but the European socialized medicine model does NOT afford better care than the US system. The wealthy in Europe use socialized medicine and take up a private insurance plan. The middle class and poor get stuck with a system that needs to be overhauled. It is taxed (overburdened) to the max...and that includes UK.

"The world is no longer yours, and progression will always occur, no matter how hard the elder generation fights it."

Good for you, Chris. Go on believing that. Do you know what you will have in common with your elders?

You will be only the second generation in American history to lose a war.

Way to go, kid.

I cant see having the government running healthcare. The same people who gave us Katrinacare, Medicare, and government schools.. and now some ppl want them running healthcare for all of us? You've got to be kidding.

James Mc...

EC/EU adopted aspects of US models in the first place because their economies were stagnant.

Dave..
-The only way for the europeans to succeed was to relinquish sovereignty to the European union. The only way for them to compete with our private industry was to use government as a support system.-

totally agree. but, I disagree with your assessment of the FDR, LBJ programs. They were needed. esp. with FDR, otherwise the US would have emerged into nothing more than a oligarchy with a practically none existent middle class....

I heard there's a tape coming out where Cindy McRove says, "I hate n**gers". I didn't see it myself, but my friend's friend did and it was SHOCKING!!!

I heard John McRove hates America.

58 States,

The only slowdown in Europe is occurring because they started adopting the American credit model.

Sad... but our screwups are getting exported.

When asked whether McRove was a puppet for wealthy special interests, Obama said, "I don't know. All I know is his voting record, and that’s what people usually judge their elected representatives by."

Dave,

The biggest lie Republicans pander is that we need to worry about rich people not working harder because they're being taxed.

The top 1% will work just as hard to earn $10M per year as they will to earn $9M per year, if not harder.

Those making $300k per year will work even harder than that if they're all of a sudden making $250k per year.

But those $300k per year families will still be able to keep one parent at home, and that's what this is about.

The breakdown in our country's social structure in my opinion can be traced directly to the lack of having the ability to AFFORD having a parent at home, education, health services, and other various infrastructural decay since we actually taxed the rich enough to afford these standard of living priorities that once made America great.

The goal now is to tax those who can already afford the luxury of a healthy family life in order to allow those in the middle class to again have that luxuries, a luxury that used to be part of the American dream people came everywhere to achieve... now we all work like slaves just to break even.

Tax the rich like the 1950's. Then we'll again have a standard of living we can be proud of.

And no, the European medical system is better than ours. I've been treated at what has the reputation as the worst hospitals in London... and it was still better than one of LA's best.

Period end of story. America's nurse's union wants public healthcare. I stand with them. If you look at economics, common sense, or my own experiences overseas... public healthcare delivers a better product for the middle class, ie the majority.

The foreigners you speak of who come from industrialized first world nations are the super wealthy... and they come here because yes, our system provides great technology... available only to the rich.

In Europe, average people do get better health service, and that's just a fact of life. Some of my coworkers are British, and they go to England to get checkups. Here, it's not worth their time or money to get the 2nd rate service that the same middle class amount of money overseas will net. Fact.

I have read Obama's mothers friends were socialists. That, combined with some of his wife's remarks such as; "someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more", have made me wonder if Obama is a socialist.
Please come back Hillary! PUMA

JR,
What is McCain distorting and how did he deceive you?

James Mc...
The European have been kicking ass....but they are slowing down while over heating...same problem we are having. Europe usually is behind the US in economic terms. Next I would wager that the economic slow down/inflation rise scenario will head east and south. There is definitely a world recession on its way, will it turn into a depression is the question.

"Sure Democrats need to learn from the past and start differentiation between small and medium sized businesses and huge multinational corporations... and Obama seems to be doing that with his healthcare tax credit proposal for example... hopefully the new breed of Progressives will be able to create tax policies that bring in revenue from the richest of the rich (over $250k/year) and balance out the horribly corrupt spending of the Republican Party over the past 8 years... all while investing in the health and standard of living of our poor and middle class citizens."

Mr. McDouglas,
Can you remember some of the English entertainers from years past and why they moved here? Because the British tax system was so oppressive they decided to give it up and leave. The logical question is: If you want to pay more taxes to provide welfare to the poor, why not do just that and leave the rest of the people alone? Isn't that a disguised Marxist idea. "From each according to ability and to each according to need." Why is the line $250k and when does it change to meet new levels of inflation? When does it change to meet the realization that people will not work nearly as hard if they know their money goes out the door to those who have learned that the public trough is open? Wouldn't free market rules be more successful? The ideas that built this country are not the socialist stuff proposed by democrats who are in the habit of buying their votes with the tax money of others. The corporatism fascists are not all that different than the marxist leaning democrats when it comes to economic dictatorship. They all weigh heavily on the working stiff. Only free market principles will do. The only way for the europeans to succeed was to relinquish sovereignty to the European union. The only way for them to compete with our private industry was to use government as a support system. Look at what it takes Airbus to compete with Boeing. We all know the socialist medicine is a failed model. Why do so many come here for treatment if their system is so good? The reason we are having so much trouble today is in large part due to the embedded socialism brought on by such famouse democrats as LBJ and FDR

If Team McCain relies on the National Journal for the unbiased truth, they're...never mind.

Cindy McCain's a socialite - does John think that means a "Socialist-Lite"? Anyone who can confuse Sunni and Shia....

James Mc...
Yes, but the 1950's were American's golden years. When economically it reigned supreme in the global stage. It is a much different picture now. For all the complaining of the Europeans that the US is a hegemon acting unilaterally, it really isn't. We are actually in a multi-polar world with regions rather than nations competing.

The greatest threat to this country is the corporatist that has emerged. We cannot survive with the disparities in wages between worker and CEO, we cannot continue with the disparities in health benefits, education, etc. But, I don't know how to return the US to the 1950's a time when the US was a creditor nation.

Nader is a true progressive. He has done the work and has earned the honors.

Aaron,

European countries have Social Democracies, not Socialist governments. They all have capitalist societies.

And unless you've been asleep for a year, you might have noticed that their economies are kicking our ass right now. Shops in New York are accepting Euros now... the Europeans, the Asians, and the Russians are the only ones shopping.

Fact is that with our natural inherent resources and a 1950's level of taxation on the rich... we could be living twice as well as Denmark and have citizens just as content.

We only have 300M people on a land mass of our size...?

That's hardly anything wrt population. Hardly anything at all.

you must be kidding me if you don't see obama is a socialist. In fact, the ways him and his wife talk, they are a little further out than socialist. There's a big different between us and European. Our country is their whole continent size and they don't have 300 millions in their country. Most important of all, our country have been running base on capitalism (the reason why people want to come here) because there's a chance to climb up if you work hard. And that's exactly why it's scary if obama is president. Him and his wife are going to try to change our capitalize system.

58 States,

The European model isn't for us. I agree. I've also lived there, and it's too different to work here. There are entrenched power systems and class systems there that really hurt them, but it's different... their countries are thousands of years old with cultures to match.

But there is a third way...

it's called the 1950's in America.

We tax the rich like we did then, we do the public works projects that would employ our people and keep our bridges and levees from collapsing... We pay for schools that actually educate. We pay for national security that's smart, that hires people who speak Arabic rather than building mini nukes we don't dare use for fear of escallation, or Star Wars missile shields that ignore the fact that anyone wanting to nuke America would just use a storage container...

We tax the rich like we did in the 1950's.

The biggest lie the top 1% ever got away with was that the increased wealth they received from the globalization of the 1970s, 80s, and 90s didn't deserve to get passed onto the middle class.

Sure it costs more nowadays than it did in the 50's to do these public works projects... to pay for health care... we've got better technology.

But it's not like they can't afford it.

And they will be forced to afford it... if the new breed of Progressive Democrats that are working together online have anything to say about it.

The model: American tax policies on the wealthy in the 1950's.

It's what most Republicans harken back to when they talk about the golden years... and there's no big surprise as to how we afforded that "halcion time."

We taxed the rich at a much larger percentage than we do today.

Sure Democrats need to learn from the past and start differentiation between small and medium sized businesses and huge multinational corporations... and Obama seems to be doing that with his healthcare tax credit proposal for example... hopefully the new breed of Progressives will be able to create tax policies that bring in revenue from the richest of the rich (over $250k/year) and balance out the horribly corrupt spending of the Republican Party over the past 8 years... all while investing in the health and standard of living of our poor and middle class citizens.

Ya think Obama would love the title ,and why is his campaign so offended? I am sure Move-on, Daily Kos, Air America, Keith Obbermon, MSNBC, CNN and all the far-lefties will be very upset if he flip-flops again and calls himself a centrist. lol!

James McDouglas

Boy do you live in a simplistic world. You should change your pseudo-name to 'What If'!

McCain is resorting to the usual republican tactics of distortion and deceipt. I thought Rove was gone but apparently his lessons were learned by McCain. Who said you can't teach an old dog dirty tricks.

James Mc...
I agree about Europe. But I've lived there and isn't a utopia. They have the same problems we have here: poverty, violence, education system deficiencies, health insurance that works for the rich, immigration problems, youth violence, domestic violence...I'd like to see the US learn from the mistakes of Europe and merge what they have the works with what the US has that works. There has to be a third way.

K,

If you think Social Democracies and capitalism are mutually exclusive...

then how do you reconcile Norway's form of government with the fact that they make out like bandits being the world's #4 exporter of oil?

Norway has a "Scandinavian welfare system" and the largest capital reserve per capita of any nation.

Social Democracies are capitalist democracies.

America could be just as energy independent as anyone if we wanted to be... and we don't need carbon to do it. We all know that at this point. Solar, wind, and hydro are all technologically advanced and cheap enough to be self-sustainable. It's only a matter of kicking the various energy monopolies in the nuts and telling them yes, they are going to have to compete, and they are going to have to eat their own losses if they can't. All it takes is the Social Democratic legislation that would dismantle these monopolies, monopolies that are unhealthy to our capitalist situation.

Just because Republicans (like John McCain) don't understand economics doesn't mean the rest of us don't.

Get real.

Obama is taking advantage of the opportunity for sure but I would bet he is being used as a "can't lose" candidate. He is being supported by people who think he is untouchable. Criticize him and you are racist. Criticize his marxist leaning Black Liberation Theology and you are out of bounds. This guy is from nowhere with 3 years in the US senate and absolutely nothing in the way of accomplishment to show he is ready to be anything. His best known proposed legislation is to borrow and give away $.84 trillion to global poverty relief. Hello, we already gave at the office. He has flipped on every single issue and has no position unless he is told by handlers in the background to take a position.

One of Obama's major funders is foreign born international billionaire George Soros (one of the founders and funders of Move On.org) is a socialist. Many of Obama's funders are socialists.

Socialism would be disastrous for the United States. It never works.

Obama would be disastrous for the U.S. He's not qualified to be President. Wake up people! Investigate Obama, the media has failed to. Most Obama supporters have NO idea WHY they support him or WHAT he stands for. It's pathetic and dangerous.

Socialism does not work. Problem is, human beings are greedy. That will NEVER change.

Miki,

It's a total fabrication of the large Telcom companies. They're robbing us blind, just like the health insurance companies, because we aren't being allowed to simply move on with the times... and adopt the new technologies.

The richest man in the world this past winter was a Mexican telcom company owner.

Go figure.

Meanwhile, those of us who have Skype accounts aren't allowed 911 call access because our government made a law banning it. Nevermind, Skype costs only about $10 a month to run and you can call anywhere in the world.

Funny how it all works out for America's biggest industries... for the telcoms, the oil industry, etc. Or for those Americans who can't feed their kids real vegetables because their commute is draining all their income... not so funny.

Since when is speaking the truth about an opponent "a tactic from the Bush-Rove playbook"? If Obama isn't happy with the way he's being portrayed, then perhaps he should have voted differently throughout his career, particularly his years as an Illinois State Senator. And perhaps he should back off the rhetoric of having the government take care of our every need through redistribution of wealth. Most importantly, if he wants to be considered a left-leaning moderate rather than a far-left liberal, he should have been content to put in a few more years in the U.S. Senate in order to compile the kind of record he wants to run on, instead of being in such a hurry to sprint ahead to POTUS.

None of the Above 08.

Sluggish economies huh?

You wanna tell me what the dollar is worth in Europe right now?

Meanwhile the Nordic states subsidize their incredible standard of living on vast oil income... and Denmark just nabbed the "happiest citizens in the world" standard this past spring.

Social Democracies... all of them.

And they're also capitalists making out like bandits.

Americans have such a poor understanding of the world economy, no wonder the whole country's in debt... no wonder we've destroyed our own economy with our laissez faire sellouts to our powerful top 1%.

A healthy middle class matters. Any student of American History could have told you that if they knew anything about the Post War period.

I guess the Republican answer is just to sell out to the Chinese... like they did with the Japanese back in the 80's.

Thanks again, Republicans.

Maybe someday we'll stop stigmatizing Social Democracies and actually look at their average citizens' standard of living... and recognizing that those who don't have to put up with round the clock darkness (the most northern nordic states)... actually turn out to be the happiest people in the world.

Go figure. Social services like we had here in the US in the 1950's... public works projects...

wow, they actually fuel an economy. Taxing the rich produces a happy, healthy citizenry.

Who'd have known?

Only America's Historians I guess... or people that actually know what goes on outside of the United States.

McDouglas..clapclapclapclap...I live in a rural area and we have one option when it comes to any service. We don't have digital available or cable, so we pay twice as much for internet service and satalite. I'm paying almost 3 times as much per month as my sister, who lives in a city. It's crazy.

Obama: Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing!

McCain has been trying to prevent his candidacy being labeled a third term for Bush; Now he is welcoming comparisons to Joe McCarthy and Richard Milhouse Nixon.
LOL.

I don't know, but I wouldn't insult socialists by calling Obama a socialist. He's more of an opportunist, like Hugo Chavez, just to get power.

Really, as Nader asked, what has Obama done for his Illinois district? The poverty is there, the crime continues...but since 1996 Obama has been promoted from state senator to presumptive nominee....and little to show for it. Well, a mansion.

Of course Obama is a socialist. How else could he have achieved the status he has in the democrat party without the backing of the communist leaning progressive caucuses and their ties to the international socialist party. He is going to Europe to suck up to his internationalist backers. Face it folks, the democrats have been hijacked by totalitarians and they will try to dictate our lives to us as they see fit. The best example right now is the democrat refusal to do anything about drilling for oil or developing any traditional energy sources even as an interim measure.

Actually, I think Obama is more akin to a social democrat than a socialist.

Is that much better?

Just take a look at how that approach has worked out for several European nations (sluggish economic growth, high taxes, restricted job growth)

But then you do get all those wonderful social welfare programs (something for nothing! The new American way? Oh wait, never mind.)

McCain is confused. Bernie Mac is the socialist. Obama is the empty suit.
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Obama -- just messin' with you, man!!!!
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Obama is a socialist now? Why doesn't McCain just hold McCarthy-esque hearings in the Senate where he flushes out all of the communists on Obama's campaign team? That ought to work.

obviously McCain knows he is misstepping ...Gramm just quit the campaign...and on a side note check out what Obama means for us...go check out the lead (and very hopeful) story in the pakistan papers about today about "obama wanting the US to have an alliance with the Pakistani people!"

The nethusiasm from these countries is an incredibly good thing...like the good will we could have changed so much with after 9/11 and this war squandered.

American10

How naive you are. Our American form of capitalism is about competitive markets?

What a load of horse manure.

Explain the no bid contracts for crooks like Halliburton. Explain the BILLIONS flushed down the toilet. Explain water with feces in it for our troops.

Explain why we're paying $60+ a month for cellphone service on phones that only allow one carrier, where in Europe any phone can take any sim card and you can choose whatever company you want.

Explain why Comcast is the only high speed internet service available in my home town. Explain why Time Warner is the other monopoly that has sole rights over the towns down the road.

This isn't a free market economy. This economy is about huge multinational monopolistic corporations.

Only with legislation and restrictions... limits on ownership and power...

only with these Social Democratic policies are we going to have cities where we can afford to shop at any place but huge soul-less garbage dumps like Wal Mart.

Get over yourself.

America has the biggest economy in the world... and none of it is about free or fair competition.

Anybody who has a better product gets run into the ground... as Microsoft proved with computers and GM proved with their own electric vehicles... the ones they dismantled and destroyed at the behest of the Bush admin despite the begging of California's drivers for their product.

Free Market? Supply and Demand?

Bull.

We've got monopolies and no way to control them... no way to get the real products and services that technology and a real healthy free Social Democratic market would supply.

American10

Under Obama's plan
I personally get hit the hardest...I am a "business owner" who makes a salary that will see increases in my tax burden if Obama gets elected...

so no I am not worried about my own wealth... I mean I am ...but I know my own wealth is built on having a better country.

It's funny that you think I am just worried about my wealth...for goodness sake I just bought a t-shirt from Hillary and donated to help get rid of her debt...

so no... I am more worried about the health of the country and this country getting back to being the beacon it was.

They both are not the greatest. Vote 3rd party.

So much for no dirty attacks from McCain. Like Joe Lieberman not denying that Obama is Muslim...

Europe sure regrets living under Socialist systems now, don't they?

Do you people even READ?

It's funny to watch all the oldsters whine about the world changing. Defining points of view with dated terms like "liberal" and "socialism". As if you're going to turn back the clock and rewind to the Stone Ages. The world is no longer yours, and progression will always occur, no matter how hard the elder generation fights it.

Anybody who doesn't agree with dl about how capitalism can't go unchecked... how it needs a healthy Social Democratic government to really keep it's citizens healthy, wealthy, and proud...

they need look no further than the laissez faire capitalism espoused by McCain's own economic advisor Gramm... and how his policies directly led to the mortgage corruption crisis that's threatening the world economy.

We need regulations. Once and for all, that's apparent. We need regulations on polluters, on human rights violators, on American industry in general... to believe we can trust the top 1% to do what's best for the health of anyone but themselves is to be hopelessly naive.

It's time to take the New Deal back.

american 10 maybe I didn't read it right ...becasue maybe you are saying the same thing...that I just said lol

One of the most "socialist" things happening in today's America is the use of our tax dollars to bail out the banking system and subsidize the oil companies. I think that's the McBush strategy, not Barack Obama's.

McCains assumption is correct. Obama is certainly no Liberal.

HE TALKS LIKE A SOCIALIST
VOTES LIKE SOCIALIST

THEN HE IS ONE!

Haven't you read his book, the signs are all there.

Liberalism is socialism. Amazing they're just now figuring this out. Both candidates are pretty liberal so Democrats should be thrilled either way.

soetoro no

how am I wrong explain...you can't because you don't know what you are talking about ...again.

I love the spin you are trying to put on Obama's comments on needing a stronger state and intelligence departments in the government...trying to say it is a new police state...

laughable.

The top 1% (ie Republicans) have already redistributed the wealth in America since the 1950's... obviously towards them... undercutting the middle class that used to make our economy strong.

Re-re-distributing it back to the middle class is just restoring the natural order from a time when our country was healthy.

Republicans are the types of thieves who would rob us blind, and then accuse us of stealing when we try and take back our own belongings.

dl

You're wrong. Again!

Whatever, since McCain is a Facist, what does it matter that he thinks Obama is a liberal or even socialist. McCain probably thinks Jesse Helms was a liberal.

Colorado Springs on July 2nd:

OBAMA SAID: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

If a police state is on his agenda, can complete socialism be far behind? Especially with the leftist extremists who have hijacked the democratic party?