McCain Hedges on Whether Obama Is a Socialist

Mr. McDouglas,

I would submit to you that the socio-economic condition you refer to ... the situation we have here that requires a two income family to survive is a product not of our basic constitutional form of government but instead a product of the central banking system we imported from Europe a hundred years ago. The English kings found that a central bank allowed them the luxury of borrowing money for their adventures and instituting an income tax on the population to repay those debts. They no longer had to clip coins to debase their currency. Our politicians ever since Woodrow Wilson have allowed the same thing to be visited upon us. One of my favorite quotes is from Jefferson who said that if ever the banks were allowed to control the issuance of our money we would find ourselves homeless in the land our fathers won for us and it is true. Perhaps the European system is not better or even as good. They have just been taking advantage of our willingness to squander our wealth being the world's policeman. The way to revert back to our constitution is not through an international socialist like we have now trying to pretend he is qualified to be the POTUS.

James Mc...
Sorry but the European socialized medicine model does NOT afford better care than the US system. The wealthy in Europe use socialized medicine and take up a private insurance plan. The middle class and poor get stuck with a system that needs to be overhauled. It is taxed (overburdened) to the max...and that includes UK.

"The world is no longer yours, and progression will always occur, no matter how hard the elder generation fights it."

Good for you, Chris. Go on believing that. Do you know what you will have in common with your elders?

You will be only the second generation in American history to lose a war.

Way to go, kid.

I cant see having the government running healthcare. The same people who gave us Katrinacare, Medicare, and government schools.. and now some ppl want them running healthcare for all of us? You've got to be kidding.

James Mc...

EC/EU adopted aspects of US models in the first place because their economies were stagnant.

Dave..
-The only way for the europeans to succeed was to relinquish sovereignty to the European union. The only way for them to compete with our private industry was to use government as a support system.-

totally agree. but, I disagree with your assessment of the FDR, LBJ programs. They were needed. esp. with FDR, otherwise the US would have emerged into nothing more than a oligarchy with a practically none existent middle class....

I heard there's a tape coming out where Cindy McRove says, "I hate n**gers". I didn't see it myself, but my friend's friend did and it was SHOCKING!!!

I heard John McRove hates America.

58 States,

The only slowdown in Europe is occurring because they started adopting the American credit model.

Sad... but our screwups are getting exported.

When asked whether McRove was a puppet for wealthy special interests, Obama said, "I don't know. All I know is his voting record, and that’s what people usually judge their elected representatives by."

Dave,

The biggest lie Republicans pander is that we need to worry about rich people not working harder because they're being taxed.

The top 1% will work just as hard to earn $10M per year as they will to earn $9M per year, if not harder.

Those making $300k per year will work even harder than that if they're all of a sudden making $250k per year.

But those $300k per year families will still be able to keep one parent at home, and that's what this is about.

The breakdown in our country's social structure in my opinion can be traced directly to the lack of having the ability to AFFORD having a parent at home, education, health services, and other various infrastructural decay since we actually taxed the rich enough to afford these standard of living priorities that once made America great.

The goal now is to tax those who can already afford the luxury of a healthy family life in order to allow those in the middle class to again have that luxuries, a luxury that used to be part of the American dream people came everywhere to achieve... now we all work like slaves just to break even.

Tax the rich like the 1950's. Then we'll again have a standard of living we can be proud of.

And no, the European medical system is better than ours. I've been treated at what has the reputation as the worst hospitals in London... and it was still better than one of LA's best.

Period end of story. America's nurse's union wants public healthcare. I stand with them. If you look at economics, common sense, or my own experiences overseas... public healthcare delivers a better product for the middle class, ie the majority.

The foreigners you speak of who come from industrialized first world nations are the super wealthy... and they come here because yes, our system provides great technology... available only to the rich.

In Europe, average people do get better health service, and that's just a fact of life. Some of my coworkers are British, and they go to England to get checkups. Here, it's not worth their time or money to get the 2nd rate service that the same middle class amount of money overseas will net. Fact.

I have read Obama's mothers friends were socialists. That, combined with some of his wife's remarks such as; "someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more", have made me wonder if Obama is a socialist.
Please come back Hillary! PUMA

JR,
What is McCain distorting and how did he deceive you?

James Mc...
The European have been kicking ass....but they are slowing down while over heating...same problem we are having. Europe usually is behind the US in economic terms. Next I would wager that the economic slow down/inflation rise scenario will head east and south. There is definitely a world recession on its way, will it turn into a depression is the question.

"Sure Democrats need to learn from the past and start differentiation between small and medium sized businesses and huge multinational corporations... and Obama seems to be doing that with his healthcare tax credit proposal for example... hopefully the new breed of Progressives will be able to create tax policies that bring in revenue from the richest of the rich (over $250k/year) and balance out the horribly corrupt spending of the Republican Party over the past 8 years... all while investing in the health and standard of living of our poor and middle class citizens."

Mr. McDouglas,
Can you remember some of the English entertainers from years past and why they moved here? Because the British tax system was so oppressive they decided to give it up and leave. The logical question is: If you want to pay more taxes to provide welfare to the poor, why not do just that and leave the rest of the people alone? Isn't that a disguised Marxist idea. "From each according to ability and to each according to need." Why is the line $250k and when does it change to meet new levels of inflation? When does it change to meet the realization that people will not work nearly as hard if they know their money goes out the door to those who have learned that the public trough is open? Wouldn't free market rules be more successful? The ideas that built this country are not the socialist stuff proposed by democrats who are in the habit of buying their votes with the tax money of others. The corporatism fascists are not all that different than the marxist leaning democrats when it comes to economic dictatorship. They all weigh heavily on the working stiff. Only free market principles will do. The only way for the europeans to succeed was to relinquish sovereignty to the European union. The only way for them to compete with our private industry was to use government as a support system. Look at what it takes Airbus to compete with Boeing. We all know the socialist medicine is a failed model. Why do so many come here for treatment if their system is so good? The reason we are having so much trouble today is in large part due to the embedded socialism brought on by such famouse democrats as LBJ and FDR

If Team McCain relies on the National Journal for the unbiased truth, they're...never mind.

Cindy McCain's a socialite - does John think that means a "Socialist-Lite"? Anyone who can confuse Sunni and Shia....

James Mc...
Yes, but the 1950's were American's golden years. When economically it reigned supreme in the global stage. It is a much different picture now. For all the complaining of the Europeans that the US is a hegemon acting unilaterally, it really isn't. We are actually in a multi-polar world with regions rather than nations competing.

The greatest threat to this country is the corporatist that has emerged. We cannot survive with the disparities in wages between worker and CEO, we cannot continue with the disparities in health benefits, education, etc. But, I don't know how to return the US to the 1950's a time when the US was a creditor nation.

Nader is a true progressive. He has done the work and has earned the honors.

Aaron,

European countries have Social Democracies, not Socialist governments. They all have capitalist societies.

And unless you've been asleep for a year, you might have noticed that their economies are kicking our ass right now. Shops in New York are accepting Euros now... the Europeans, the Asians, and the Russians are the only ones shopping.

Fact is that with our natural inherent resources and a 1950's level of taxation on the rich... we could be living twice as well as Denmark and have citizens just as content.

We only have 300M people on a land mass of our size...?

That's hardly anything wrt population. Hardly anything at all.

you must be kidding me if you don't see obama is a socialist. In fact, the ways him and his wife talk, they are a little further out than socialist. There's a big different between us and European. Our country is their whole continent size and they don't have 300 millions in their country. Most important of all, our country have been running base on capitalism (the reason why people want to come here) because there's a chance to climb up if you work hard. And that's exactly why it's scary if obama is president. Him and his wife are going to try to change our capitalize system.

58 States,

The European model isn't for us. I agree. I've also lived there, and it's too different to work here. There are entrenched power systems and class systems there that really hurt them, but it's different... their countries are thousands of years old with cultures to match.

But there is a third way...

it's called the 1950's in America.

We tax the rich like we did then, we do the public works projects that would employ our people and keep our bridges and levees from collapsing... We pay for schools that actually educate. We pay for national security that's smart, that hires people who speak Arabic rather than building mini nukes we don't dare use for fear of escallation, or Star Wars missile shields that ignore the fact that anyone wanting to nuke America would just use a storage container...

We tax the rich like we did in the 1950's.

The biggest lie the top 1% ever got away with was that the increased wealth they received from the globalization of the 1970s, 80s, and 90s didn't deserve to get passed onto the middle class.

Sure it costs more nowadays than it did in the 50's to do these public works projects... to pay for health care... we've got better technology.

But it's not like they can't afford it.

And they will be forced to afford it... if the new breed of Progressive Democrats that are working together online have anything to say about it.

The model: American tax policies on the wealthy in the 1950's.

It's what most Republicans harken back to when they talk about the golden years... and there's no big surprise as to how we afforded that "halcion time."

We taxed the rich at a much larger percentage than we do today.

Sure Democrats need to learn from the past and start differentiation between small and medium sized businesses and huge multinational corporations... and Obama seems to be doing that with his healthcare tax credit proposal for example... hopefully the new breed of Progressives will be able to create tax policies that bring in revenue from the richest of the rich (over $250k/year) and balance out the horribly corrupt spending of the Republican Party over the past 8 years... all while investing in the health and standard of living of our poor and middle class citizens.