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Obama Moves on MoveOn
July 01, 2008 2:40 PM
FROM GUEST-BLOGGER RICK KLEIN, from ABC's The Note.
Almost lost in the Wes Clark haze of Monday’s patriotism speech in Independence, Mo., was this line from Sen. Barack Obama:
“All too often our politics still seems trapped in these old, threadbare arguments -- a fact most evident during our recent debates about the war in Iraq, when those who opposed administration policy were tagged by some as unpatriotic, and a general providing his best counsel on how to move forward in Iraq was accused of betrayal.”
That last clause is a direct shot at the liberal group MoveOn.org, which greeted Gen. David Petraeus’ congressional testimony last fall with a full-page ad in The New York Times that asked the question: “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?"
Several journalists have noted that Obama rather conveniently skipped the Senate vote cooked up by Republicans to condemn MoveOn.org’s ad back in September, even though he cast other votes that day.
But perhaps more interesting is that this is the second time in a week that Obama is lining up in opposition to MoveOn.org, perhaps the most politically influential online liberal group -- whose members endorsed Obama’s candidacy back in February.
Last week, MoveOn.org launched a petition drive urging Obama to reconsider his position on a compromise measure extending the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Obama has said he’ll vote for the measure, despite his previous vow to filibuster any bill granting immunity to telecommunications companies that cooperated with the Bush administration
Now, with this speech, Obama seems to be going out of his way to tweak his erstwhile allies.
And, intriguingly, MoveOn.org is taking Clark’s side in the dust-up over his comments. This from the group’s latest online petition: “The American people deserve the truth --not sensational reporting. The media has consistently twisted General Clark's words.”
This isn’t in overt opposition to Obama’s stance on Clark’s comments. But as we noted Monday, the Obama campaign isn’t defending Clark, and isn’t interested in Clark’s nuances. Surely Obama wants this whole episode to go away, not kept alive online.
To be clear, Obama was never a pure Netroots candidate -- many in the liberal blogosphere were more keen on John Edwards or Chris Dodd in the primaries.
But these breaks with MoveOn.org are interesting -- and seem to me at least partly separate from Obama’s migration from liberal positions on issues like guns, welfare, NAFTA, and even FISA.
To Obama supporters, this is their candidate showing he’s not in the thrall of any interest group, regardless of ideology. He’s making clear (as he did in denouncing Clark) that what’s good for the McCain goose is good for the Obama gander, when it comes to below-the-belt politicking.
But is he making online enemies?
What do you think?
-- Rick Klein
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Backtrack O. said he will expand Bush's Faith Base Program. When was Bush's Faith Base program good for liberal ideology? Backtrack moves quickly pass the center and go straight to the right.
Posted by: JoeySky | Jul 2, 2008 9:37:17 PM
Throwing people under the bus once he is done with them. That is what Obama is doing. That's all.
Posted by: Joan | Jul 1, 2008 2:52:01 PM
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Assuming this is true, how long before Obama throws the America and her citizens under the bus?
Posted by: None of the Above 08 | Jul 2, 2008 3:56:19 PM
OBAMA IS NOT BLACK! HE IS 1/2 WHITE, 3/8 ARAB AND 1/8 BLACK HE IS ALSO A RACIEST WHO IS USING HIS COLOR TO GET THE VOTE OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW ANY BETTER. POOR BLACKS ACTUALLY THINK HE IS GOING TO HELP THEM. LOOK WHERE HE LIVES AND HOW HE GOT THERE--DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO CHANGE? OH YES HE HAS CHANGED--HIS STORY --WHEN EVER IT SUITS HIM.
Posted by: JO | Jul 2, 2008 3:26:04 PM
It's just to bad that a vast number of white people don't like Sen. Obama. This is soooo sad and it's only going to get a lot worst... He is a man of honesty, creditability, etc.. but you won't see that, because all you see is his color.. And no matter what you say, it's people like you that won't change, unless it's a white man or white female. It doesn't matter that his mother was white and that his grandparents are white also, all that matters to you, is that you won't, you can't look past the color and see the man. Shame on you.. I thank God that he looks past all of us that He has created special to see the inside, which bleeds red, not black nor white. Why can't you.
Posted by: Signora | Jul 2, 2008 2:28:03 PM
It's awfully crowded under the bus.
Even so, Obama is correct to distance himself from this crackpot, ultra-leftist and vile organization.
Posted by: Juju | Jul 2, 2008 2:20:50 PM
"Several journalists have noted that Obama rather conveniently skipped the Senate vote cooked up by Republicans to condemn MoveOn's ad back in September, even though he cast other votes that day."
It was a bone-head move for MoveOn to stampede an "endorsement" for this fraud in the first place. Bad politics will out.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Jul 2, 2008 2:00:03 PM
This isn't coming as a surprise to anyone is it? He got what he wanted from these people, they got him where he wanted to be, now time to cut them loose - the are no longer of value to him.
Typical politician. Are there still believers out there that he is going to change Washington? And what exactly is he going to change?
This is supposed to be the lull period, I think it is going to be the telling period and it is going to be a lot of fun to see some of the followers come out of the stupor they've been lulled into.
Posted by: McCain Dem | Jul 2, 2008 1:32:45 PM
Obama hasn't missed the sorry trail of principled, but defeated Democratic candidates for POTUS.
In case anyone misses the point, it's about WINNING the election. Can't do SQUAT without winning first.
Obama is canny enough to do what it takes to win, meaning he needs to do what Republicans do, only better. And he's doing it!
Obama 08!!!
Posted by: Ross | Jul 2, 2008 1:56:41 AM-----------------------True he is doing anything he has to to win, that is called OLD STLYE POLITICS, which is totally against his running platform. Therefore, it proves he is not a new kind of politician, just the same old kind of self serving politician. He just thinks he is smart enough to fool the public. He is deceptive, and I just don't trust him due to his friends and associates. And his positions on some issues.
Posted by: Cathy6224 | Jul 2, 2008 10:20:01 AM
Interesting that Obama is moving toward the middle. Not so unusual for any candidate to do that, in fact, McCain is trying to move to the right to win back some of the right base. The issue with Obama is this and in some respects with McCain as well. You simply can't pretend to be something you are not. Certainly children can pick up on this immediately, well so do adults if they stop and think. Let's reflect, Rev Wright, Father Pflager, the most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate, wants to tax the wealthiest corporations (which will cost jobs), won't drill for oil, will cuddle with with the Arab nations, will propose national health care within the first 100 days (ruining our health care system) and if you will just read his books is without any doubt a dye hard socialist. Friends, think about this carefully. Most Americans are more conservative than they even realize but are allowing a small percentage of left wing radicals rule this nation. We can start taking our country back by standing up for principles that we believe in and rebuke the facade that Barack Obama is presenting to the American people claiming to be what he is not!! Dr. A
Posted by: Dennis W. Atkins | Jul 2, 2008 9:31:37 AM
It is almost comical how quickly Obama tossed so many libs under the Bus once the primary with Hilliary was over. Are we sure we don't Hilliary back? He has no loyality or morals---none.
Posted by: chattyway | Jul 2, 2008 8:37:50 AM
He cant run from something he is. And thats the MOST liberal Senator. Voted more liberal than Kennedy, Boxer, Finegold, Schumer. Would you vote for any of these people? Amazing how he's scared of being labeled a LIB. He deserves it with his massive spending plans he has in store for the US people. Obama the great divider. His bitter Small town Americans clinging to guns and god did it for me. That on top of the I'd rather have my own children have an abortion than be ”punished” with a baby. Are you kidding me. How could any rationale American excuse these remarks. He's bad news. A wolf in sheeps clothing. Dont fall for it.
Posted by: Dean O | Jul 2, 2008 8:01:22 AM
So this country has a two ways to win the presdiency? First if you are a democrat, you have to win the left liberals to win the primary and that was how Obama won, second, in the generla election, you have to be conservative to win the general voters? In this case, Obama is the most sly, cunning politician ever be in the history of American polticis and he will be judged as the swaying candidate with no bones and his reward will be the greatest loser of all time. Americans are after all value the time honored principles of a self respect and dignity. Obama just sell these values just to win votes.
Posted by: asb | Jul 2, 2008 3:59:20 AM
How Obama underestimated the intelligence of the Americna voters. He can lie to them in such a hype that he thinks he can just hold the noses of the Americans. Now, he is showing his colors without any reluctancy or fear of backlash because again he thinks he is on top of the world, the historical Afro-American or Arab-American, whatever.. to become a nominee. How far he can dangerously thread the path where even the most discreet politicians would not dare. Arrogance and prmuptous manner can lead him to destruction.. Hopefully, his fate will decide that Americans are no fool
Posted by: asb | Jul 2, 2008 3:45:34 AM
Obama hasn't missed the sorry trail of principled, but defeated Democratic candidates for POTUS.
In case anyone misses the point, it's about WINNING the election. Can't do SQUAT without winning first.
Obama is canny enough to do what it takes to win, meaning he needs to do what Republicans do, only better. And he's doing it!
Obama 08!!!
Posted by: Ross | Jul 2, 2008 1:56:41 AM
Obama doesn't bother to vote unless it helps one of his buddies that will Obama under the table--he votes present instead of yeah or nay and of the few votes he has actually made....he is trying to have them changed years/months after the fact.
Posted by: chattyway | Jul 2, 2008 1:15:17 AM
There's only one candidate that isn't a self centered, lying, self absorbed, incompetent, hypocrite; as a matter of fact he is the exact opposite and his name is Ralph Nader. Nader/Gonzalez 2008! You do have a choice!
Posted by: geddesman | Jul 1, 2008 11:29:59 PM
Obama has a 100% approval rating from the ADA and he isn't a liberal?
Posted by: strangelove | Jul 1, 2008 11:25:22 PM
No country for flip flopping geezers
Posted by: Omentum | Jul 1, 2008 11:00:45 PM
What was McCain's first TV ad ... his POW story. He is riding his military service story like a mule.
McCains service to America was 40 years ago. IT WAS HONORABLE.
McCains service to America the past 10 years. WAS DETESTABLE.
Posted by: Omentum | Jul 1, 2008 10:58:49 PM
Obama's smokescreen of trying to become more centrist such as backing faith based groups is just a ruse the American people are not stupid enough to fall far. Compare the 2 candidates.
Obama may have done better in college than MCain but down well in college is overrated. It will get you in the door, but unless you produce on the job, you won't survive. Those that hit McCain for graduating in the lower part of his class, are misguided and put too much emphasis on GPA and class standing. Obviously it must be the college students that value this and hence they like the way Obama talks. You know he says really cool things. But in the scheme of things it doesn;t mean much. I'd give my vote to a person who has proven he can produce rather than one who talks a good game, because talk is cheap. It is what's produced that counts. And when you come right down to it, McCain has produced bipartisan legislation, and has the experience and quite frankly he can help protect us. Obama has produced nothing. So McCain is the choice for me. And anyone else who chooses Obama is misguided.
Posted by: jschmidt | Jul 1, 2008 10:58:20 PM
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