¿Quien Es Mas Macho?

@James Danley: fair point. Child of citizen = citizen. child of person here legally = citizen. There is probably another scenerio or two I'm missing.

So what's the goal here. McCain's flip-flop on immigration would lead to a policy that would force the US to import virtually all of its food and other agricultural products, and would greatly increase the cost of construction, restaurant meals, etc.... Of course, the underlying irony is that the principal beneficiaries of our lax immigration policies are business and farm owners who are by and large Republicans. One principal effect of the tighter border policy in recent years has been that former seasonal workers are now moving here permanently. And no credible evidence supports the allegation that after they are here, "illegal" immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than other groups in our society.

Inherent in our legal and illegal immigration policies is the notion that we can bring all of the world's poor to the US and give them a better life. Unfortunately that number is around 5 billion people. That means we have to get countries aorund the world to fix their own problems.

Second big business uses immigration to break US labor. This is especially true where we have imported low cost technical workers. This undermining of technical workers and technical work has caused US kids to flee technical fields in college. Microsoft is a major bad player in this arena. Craig Barret of Intel has been a champion of US kids in technology - not all US compaies have tried to sell out the US on immigration - but many have.

Both Obama and McCain are on the wrong side of these issues.

McCain has not learned anything since he tried to ram mass amnesty down our throats last summer. He keeps saying he has "heard" us and that he will "secure the borders first." Well Senator, we the American people want our borders secured PERIOD with no form of any amnesty.

In 1986 we were promised no more amnesties, and we will not be lied to again. Any further amnesties will only make the problem worse. Enforcement of existing laws (& self-deportation) is the humane and cost effective way to deal with the majority of illegal aliens who are here.

If our officials would have enforced the laws on the books for the last 20 years, we would not have a problem now. These illegals are self-centered and greedy and do not respect our laws or our people. They should be sent home PDQ and our border closed to such people. Only those who do respect our laws and stand in line for permission should be allowed to stay.

Thinking-

The operative phrase is "to pass the immigration bill." Obama voted for the poison pill amendments which were intended to kill the compromise.

X marks the spot, your 5th point needs to be tweaked. If implemented as you have written it would not give citizenship to individuals born abroad even if both parents are American citizens.

" but facts are facts. McCain worked much harder and risked far more to pass that immigration bill than Obama did."

How so?

Obama bucked his own pary to support amendments, so he didn't risk, and didn't work hard?

i believe that mccain is sincere in his efforts on immigration. i believe that he has taken on the hard issues and risked alienating the 'foaming at the mouth racists' within his own party base. i respect that. he has had to modify his positions, but overall he remains committed to good neighbor and humane objectives within the context of the discourse.
as a hispanic myself i agree that we need first and foremost to protect our borders, as does mccain. i have met mccain in person. our impression is that yes, he can be stern, but consistent, and sincere, he is not a phony that plays to the crowd. at least that was our collective assessment. myself and my family are (hillary supporters) we like mccain and will likely support him in his presidentail bid as will my family, neighbors, and friends who are all multi-generational democrats.
si se puede mccain!

Typical. McCain waffles, Obama lies.

john mccain es mucho mas macho. as a hispanic american person i believe that first and foremost we lack clarity. the issue of comprehensive immigration reform always becomes tailored to meet political agendas, and campaign objectives. lack of clarity and bi partinsanship continue to create and promote illegal immigration by creating a 'false window of opportunity' to stay here illegally with the possible illusive goal of obtaining legal status. in effect the immigration debate in itself is promoting illegal immigration. by the way i did not cross the border my ancestors were in new mexico before n.m was even a territory of the u.s.

immigration reform

1.) require all law enforcement offices - federal, state and local - utilize the ICE system to check the immigration status on all arrests (no profiling).
2.) Deport all arrested (for other crimes) people who are here illegally
3.) require all business use the everify system to check the status of new employees
4.) require partial payment for services rendered to illegals (education and healthcare)
5.) change the 14th amendment to require that only children born here to parents who are here legally automatically become citizens
6.) raid and penalize employers who use illegals
7.) replace income tax with sales tax, lowering the benefit of hiring illegals
8.) change the legal immigration processes to be efficient and effective and to encourage immigration in needed professions; nurses, doctors, teachers, computers, etc.

McCain es muy Macho... si, si, puede!