So What Did He Learn?

To all Liberals understand this:

The Constitution of the United States and Bill of Rights is only applicable to American Citizens! Habeus Corpus was not an issue, those prisoners were POW's. The real Obama is starting to come out and he is crumbling. He says one thing on one day and changes his mind a few days or even hours later. He also has no explanation for his change (flip-flop). He is right on one thing, we need change.... Change in the Liberal leadership in Washington and get back to smaller government and free-market economy. I could go on and on and on.......

While the Iraq effort is almost exclusively American now, Afghanistan is a NATO mission, Obama, chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on European and NATO Affairs, has never visited Afghanistan, and has not bothered to hold a hearing of the subcommittee covering the countries for which it bears legislative oversight responsibility. So, when we hear about Obamas extensive 'experience' in foreign affairs, most of which will be recently acquired in a mere week of travel and media fanfare. Perhaps Mr. Obama will now decide to hold the very first hearing of his Senate subcommittee, after all, there would be extensive media coverage. The American vote should thing once or twice about voting for this little experienced candidate for President. Media cover alone should not make one the President!

If he were to utter one thing different you would accuse him of flip flopping -that's exactly what you would do because that is exactly what you're waiting for. Flip flopping- what a stupid American MSM expression.

Obama is all about the photo ops!

His trip has accomplished nothing constructive. All it does is make him appear to the public as arrogant as he really is. Assuming he is already President before the American public has voted in the election.

Obama voted *against* the surge. He was completely wrong and refuses to admit it. And he stated that the surge would *increase* violence. He was completely wrong about that!! He does *not* know foreign policy at all. His living in Indonesia when he was 12 does not qualify him for any adult diplomatic role. The Obama minions make one outlandish claim in his support after another.

Obama is all talk, and photo ops. David Axelrod is one of his campaign managers and is one of the best at manipulating media to get his clients elected. He actually worked for Hillary Clinton also at one point. I dare you to google David Axelrod and find out how much media manipulation is going on in the Obama campaign.

" think one of the things that was most eye-opening was the extent to which the porous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan makes it very difficult for our troops"

After three decades of intermittent war in the region, hundreds of years of history about that border and the difficulty of any army that ever invaded, this Harvard graduate JUST got that?

On the face of it, I don't believe him. He is dissimulating. If that was true, he would have to be the most uninformed Senator we have today, or just one ignorant man.

PUHLEEEZE!

I have this odd reaction whenever I read Obama's comments. I start glazing over about 5-6 sentences into them and thinking about my list of 'Things To Do Today'. I get to the end and go, what did he say? He is a cerebral bore.

Omentum, got more??????

Didn't think so! You could slip Obama's resume under your fingernail. (And if you want to throw in "community organizer" be sure and toss in "20 years of Rev. Wright's sermons" along with it.)

Of course Obama didn't learn anything - how could he when he already knows it all? This little whirlwind tour was just eye candy to lull the masses of voters into thinking he has foreign policy experience. Obama is playing the American public for fools; unfortunately, there just may be enough of them out there to elect him.

Mara:

1. Actually Iraq did have an active WMD program at one time. They actually used chemical weapons against their own people and against Iran during the Iran-Iraq war. And they did have a nuclear program that Israel originally destroyed back in 1981. In fact, 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium that had been stored in Iraq was transferred out of Iraq (at Iraq's request) and sold to Canada just a couple of weeks ago.

2. You are right, over zealous American soldiers would not have mistreated a few Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison. BUT Saddam Hussein and his sons Uday and Qusay Hussein would have continued to use the prison for their systematic torture and killing of tens of thousands of Iraqis.

3. You are wrong! Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed by Saddam Hussein. This would not have stopped.

4. Valid point!

5. WRONG! During WWII, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled first that it had no jurisdiction regarding the POWs held under American command throughout Europe; and then ruled that Habeus corpus did NOT apply outside the United States.

6. MORE military personnel have died here in the United States in the past 6 years than have died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined!

7. Valid point!

8. Daniel Pearl and other kidnapped Americans had already been decapitated before the invasion of Iraq. So any waterboarding that may have been done, didn't influence how Americans were treated when captured.

9. Many Democrats LIED about Iraq having WMDs for years leading up to and peaking in 1998 when Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 giving President Clinton the authorization for regime change in Iraq -- due to Iraq having WMDs.

10. Sorry I don't see your point! Without the invasion the dispute between Iran and Iraq would not have been resolved? So are you now saying that something good came of the invasion?

Snarxon, you do bring up a very good point.

If the UN Security Council had passed several resolutions spanning 12 years demanding that Boliva suspend its known WMD programs; and to require that the IAEA supervise the destruction of said programs; only to deny the IAEA complete access and eventually no access at all; and if the UN Security Council had placed sanctions on Bolivia for failing to comply with the UN resolutions; AND if for several years the likes of President Bill Clinton, VP Al Gore, Sec. of State Madeline Albright, Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, Bob Graham, Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, Jay Rockefeller, Hillary Clinton AND Democratic Representatives Henry Waxman and Nancy Pelosi -- to name a few -- ALL said that Bolivia had WMDs and several of the above used the phrase, "imminent threat;" AND Boliva was supporting terrorism...then YES MAYBE invading Bolivia would be in order!

"If we had not invaded Iraq," John Kerry's 2004 platform would have been a promise to go to war to remove Saddam Hussein because he possessed WMD and was an imminent threat to America (just like he urged President Clinton to do), and that President Bush was too cowardly to confront Saddam in order to protect the American people. And many of you Obama supporters would have thought it was a great idea. Then when no WMD were found, you'd still defend the decision. And you know it. You just have an obsessive and irrational hatred of President Bush, and no matter what he does, you'll oppose it.

Hindsight is 20-20.

"So Obama learned a few things -- all of which reaffirmed his already established views. Nothing that changed his mind about anything."

Yeah, there's a shocker.

Wow! If Obama manages to lose this sucker in November we're likely to
see a startling increase in the suicide rate in Nov./Dec./Jan. This would
have a beneficial effect in the long run. Jesse and Al would be back on
top, Hillary would be dieting for her
2012 run, Barack would be back in the
Senate "working across the aisle" and
a lot of surplus democrats bloggers
would have gone to that big Kos-Valhalla
in the ether. Gaia would once again
be in balance.

James Danley,

If we had not invaded Iraq:

1) Iraq would not have had an active WMD program, which it never did.
2) We would not have used Sadam's Abu Ghraib prison to torture Iraqi citizens, some innnocent, gaining our country, which I happen to love, a human rights record lower than Syria's.
3) Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi men, women and children would not be dead.
4) We would not be $2 Trillion dollars in debt, with money endentured to a repressive regime in China.
5) Habeus corpus, for the first time in 800 years would not have been null in the western world.
6) 4000 Americans would not be dead and tens of thousands disabled for life.
7) Images of naked Muslim men in black hoods would not have been broadcast throughout the Middle East, creating a new generation of terrorists.
8) It would not have been the first time that my country descrated the Geneva convention, making any US soldier open to any act of torture, and the Yoo Memo, which discussed which body parts were acceptable to remove (ears are acceptable) would not have been discussed in the White House of the United States of America, leading John Ashcroft to say that history would not look kindly on this administration.
9) The American people would not have been lied to over and over and over and over and over again.
10) The age-long disputes between Iran and Iraq would not have been resolved through a common enemy: America. Remember Basra? Remember how that ceasefire came about? It was not through the Pentagon - it was in Iran. It may have been the only agreement between the two countries since their existence.

nomomentum:

He as run on hell of a campaign taking down one of the most formidable political families in this generation. "

Then your candidate should be AXELROD... NOT obama.!!!

Of course, that would be a horse of a different color.....

Omentum,

oh no, no, no, no, you shouldn't have done that.

That "worked with x" and "voted for y" piddly stuff just makes things look far, far worse compared to McCain's bold, brave, legislative record. No, just showing up for work isn't a good sell in a job interview.

You were best to stick with trying to brush me off.

In future debates in other threads, you best stick to the platitudes. After all, your course has be chosen by your party, and you can't change horses mid stream.

G'night.

Gotta go.

ten years that is

You see,

the most effective response, the one that would be like a rhetorical knife in my back would be to point to a dramatic epic adventure of self sacrifice of Obamas (say, like enduring torture for years),

or say a massive reform that angered the base, but was done because he thought it was right (say like immigration reform or McCain Feingold),

but of course, you have nothing.

Just Obama's smooth talk.

As an aside, in a real job interview, whenever someone says somthing like "I would...such and such..." the employer would ask for an example. Right now the press isn't asking for one. They just like the way he says things. He's new. Fresh. A...gulp....fad, so to speak. But the public will demand it. Oh yes, Obama's about to engage the most rigorous job interview of his life. It really starts after summer when folks are paying more attention. But the dip in numbers is now starting to accord with the shallowness of Obama's resume.

It will be fascinating to watch, don't you think?

He as run on hell of a campaign taking down one of the most formidable political families in this generation. He will win by a landslide in the fall.

McCain served his country well. There comes a time when we should ride off in the sunset and enjoy our twilight years. McCain is about 10 overdue. He don't need the money. Hey his sugar momma can take good care of him and he will not even have to spend his disability check.

He worked with Senator Lugar to collect loose nuclear weapons.

He voted for the surveillance bill.

want more?????