Political Punch

Ryan C and others:

Okay, I have been making fun of the columns for two days...the set actually looked pretty good with all the people, lights, etc., not overdone at all, very tasteful...I am a McCain supporter BTW (not a republican, though)

I think on its own in an empty stadium the set looked very strange...oh well.

Sorry Barack!

I noticed the kiss on Jill Biden. I found it a little over the top you might say. A hug or a kiss on the cheek would have done just fine. Odd that the cool and aloof Obama got some warmth right here, right now.

The Greek colums fit into the Obama narrative - he is larger than history other wise expressed as "he himself is change enough".

Obama and his Greek colummns are all the change you wil ever see.

Ok so I'm watching the convention. Why did everyone make a big deal out of the columns. I think the stage looks great and not overdone.

I just discovered that in my haste to dash off an earlier post, I left out its entire point.

I think the columns are meant to evoke the Lincoln Memorial and MLK's speech, and that it's entirely fitting to have that double layer of history behind Obama as he *makes* history.

"I noticed that sloppy kiss he planted on Biden's missus and almost fell out of my chair!

What I find interesting is that all of the news reporters missed it AND the guys that were filming it.(??)"
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They DIDN't miss it -- it seems that it's a day off for the "campaign", courtesy of McCain, while the "post-partisan" pretty-boy polays out his Greek tragedy-pageant in the football stadium.

Maybe he'll wear the Kenyan tribal dress again. That was sooo cute, and it would go with the decor -- which, like the Roman version, presumably will now be a no-ladies-on-stage production.

Ryan:

Okay, personal attack aside. Not sure where you are getting the fraud thing. I thought this exchange was in good humor...

I didn't say the columns were "presumptuous." I said they were "obnoxious," meaning that I don't like obvious messages designed to make me "comfortable" with a candidate. To me it would be like McCain walking out with a Ben Franklin impersonator...("Back when McCain was a Founding Father"...) or Bush's "Homeland Security"...(can we not call it "National Security" or something less imperial?)

My initial post wasn't an "argument," it was my personal take on the backdrop...you can't make an "argument" against my subjective tastes.

...I think you can argue that neither McCain or Obama were "presumptuous" for allowing or sending political allies to visit Georgia or both were, or one was and the other wasn't, but that issue is not related to the backdrop designed by Britney Spears' set designer.

Yes, I criticized the columns, I don't like them for Obama. I don't like them for McCain. I don't like them. I also, subjectively, believe it was a mistake to go that direction...I thought the republicans choosing their convention dates around 9/11 in 2004 and in NY was extraordinarily cheesy...different, yes, but cheesy, maybe more so.

You like the columns/Rose Garden/Lincoln Memorial facade, I don't. That's fine, like them all you want...just don't try to convince me that they are the bee's knees under pain of being called a fraud.

What say I?

I say that the columns are intended to evoke those of the Lincoln Memorial, on whose steps Dr. King delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech 45 years ago today.

Anyone notice what the stock market did today based the the VP expectations on McCains annoucement!! WOW

Wade,

Your argument on the columns was partially made that he was being presumptuous.

I offered an example of far more presumption of the Presidency on McCain's part.

You said you did not care about McCain but Obama and columns well you claimed you did not care but went onto offer various slams.

All I did is show what a fraud you are.

McCain lovers

(I'm talking to you, yes you sir in the back, I know most of the room hates Obama rather than loves McCain)

There are still plenty of ticket available for free to see McCain announce his VP tomorrow.

Feel the excitement that Pawlenty brings to the table!

Revel in the camaraderie between McCain and Romney!

I'm really bothered that Obama's setup for his speech looks too much like the one for George Bush in 2004.

You have to go to the Rasmussen report page and read the following article: Hillary Can't Fix What Her Party Broke. This is a little piece from it. I think this article hits it right on about how the alienated Hillary women are feeling and why we are feeling the way we are feeling.

The Democrats clearly have a hooligan problem. It was as though their left-wingers suffered a kind of Karl Rove envy. They wanted to go on the attack, demonize a Clinton and hurl abuse at the Clinton's friends. Only a year ago, Vanity Fair ran a cover story on how Clinton hatred had infected much of the right wing. The left seems to have grabbed the baton. And it apparently did not dawn on the Obama shock troops that they were offending the very people their man might someday need.

He made his bed now let'em sleep. I hope he loses big time in November! Good Riddance to the Chicago thug Obama!

Obama campaign is so full of it. Bush had nothing near this in the arena he was in and he WAS THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME. I know Denzil there loves to play the Prez AND ACT AS IF...with Presidential seals and European speeches (he had to lure the crowd there with the most popular German rock band and other entertainment and beer), but this ain't a movie and AMERICANS ARE TOO SMART FOR THIS FRAUD. Just because liberal media has to shove this pop celebrity at us doesn't mean we grown ups want him near our White House!
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Zaggs,

Biden claims he was invited. The Georgian President did nothing to dispell that. I have no doubt that Biden and he discussed Obama's feelings on the matter.

But did the Obama campaign announce it was sending Joe Biden to Georgia or not?

That is the question. And the answer to that is a clear no.

Ryan C,

Nothing was reported by the AP and elsewhere but what Biden said (look at your own quote), in fact, thats not even reporting its quoting. There has never been confirmation by the AP that Biden was invited. The president specifically said Biden was sent by Obama. If he wasn't there was no reason to mention Obama's name at all. Yet there it is. The only person who could confirm Biden's version is Saakashvili, he did not confirm it and said the exact opposite.
Nor did Saakashvili talk well of Biden, he was mentioned one time in regards to being sent by Obama and assitance, thats all.

Belle - I don't know, but I am going to email that question to a couple of cable news stations. Enquiring minds want to know what happened afterwards! I wonder if I will get an answer?

PUMA!

Zaggs,

It was reported in the ap and elsewhere.

I read your transcript and the President spoke very well of Biden.

Why does it not make sense to invite the chairman of the foreign relations committee. Someone who has been working with Georgia and their President for years.

I'm not saying Lieberman & Graham were unwelcome.

I'm saying McCain tried to play President. Obama's campaign said nothing about this trip.

GOP makes up fake controversy.

Press dutifully reports fake controversy.

Rinse and repeat.

jake,
it makes a difference when the media help frame it the way that the republicans want it framed. if no one had brought up the subject i'm sure most non-partisans wouldn't have noticed or cared.

"I noticed that sloppy kiss he planted on Biden's missus and almost fell out of my chair!"
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He should just step down.