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Deconstructing Hillary

August 07, 2008 5:16 PM

Sen. Barack Obama's campaign appears reluctant to have any sort of roll call vote at the Democratic convention this month. Why? They have no interest in highlighting the narrowness of his victory.

This would mean the first Democratic convention without a roll call vote since President Lyndon Johnson ran unopposed for reelection in 1964.

And Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, as ABC News' David Chalian and Rick Klein point out,  is hedging on what she wants.

At a recent fundraiser in California captured on a videophone and posted on YouTube, Clinton noted that "if you look at recent history I have moved more quickly and done more on behalf of my opponent than comparable candidates have."

(Kind of interesting there that Sen. Clinton still refers to Sen. Obama as "my opponent." Last I checked, she withdrew from the race and said she was endorsing him two months ago.)

"You know, most of us didn't endorse until the convention," Clinton continued, "you know, Teddy Kennedy or Gary Hart or Jerry Brown you know just a lot of people held out until the convention, kept their delegates, often waged platform rules or credential fights, and you know I've made it very clear that I am supporting Sen. Obama, we're working cooperatively on a lot of different matters. But I think delegates can decide to do this on their own. They don't need permission, they can decide under the rules of the DNC. So, I think it would be better if we had a plan that actually we put in place and everybody knew what it was, then we executed it because I think that would go more smoothly. So I hope that's what we come  up with--some kind of a strategy."

A supporter asked Clinton "to please consider having your name put on the ballot….out of no disrespect to the future President Obama…Those of us who have lived through those campaigns and  know that's what Democratic conventions and even Republican conventions were about. I don't think a lot of the younger voters know that that's not out of disrespect and that it is in fact a showing of unity."

Clinton said it's an "obvious" question: "what will happen at the convention in respect to my putting my name into nomination, a roll call vote and the usual kind of process that occurs at conventions. We're trying to work that out with the Obama campaign and with the DNC. “I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected. I think that is a very big part of how we actually come out unified."

Staying true to the California surroundings, Clinton said, "I know from, just what I'm hearing, that there's incredible pent-up desire. And I think that people want to feel like, 'OK, it's a catharsis, we're here, we did it, and then everybody get behind Sen. Obama.' That is what most people believe is the best way to go. No decisions have been made. And so we are trying to work all this through with the DNC and with the Obama campaign."

A supporter asked her what would happen if there were a roll call vote and Clinton won.

"That is not going to happen," Clinton said, "not going to happen.  I mean, what we want to have happen is for Sen. Obama to be nominated by a unified convention of Democrats. And as I have said, the best way I think -- and I could be wrong -- but the best way I think to do that is to have a strategy so that my delegates feel like they have a role, and that their legitimacy has been validated. It's as old as, you know, as Greek drama. You know, there is a catharsis. I mean, everybody comes and, you know, they want to yell and scream and have their opportunity, and I think that's all to the good. Because then, you know, everybody can go, 'OK, great, now let's go out and win. And that's what we want people to feel. We do not want any Democrat either in the hall or in the stadium or at home walking away saying, 'Well, you know, I'm just not satisfied, I'm not happy.' Because, I mean, that's what I'm trying to avoid."

Kumbaya, my Lord. Kumbaya. Oh, Lord, Kumbaya.

-jpt

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George W Bush had "no experience" when he became president but succeeded in balloxing up almost everything he touched. Why? He didn't have the qualities neccessary for leadership. Obama has qualities neccesary for being an effective president. God help us if McCain becomes president to give us eight more years of Bush!
If Bill Clinton is the keynote speaker at the Democratic Nat's Convention, it may be a hint as to who Obama's VP will be.
Nuff said.

Posted by: JR Saba | Aug 19, 2008 11:57:18 PM

I have been a Democrat since I started to vote at 18. I have never voted for a Republican in my life but, I guess there is a first time for everything. Obama is an inexperienced, half of a first term senator, who, instead of serving his term and trying to LEARN something, let his ego get the best of him. He has spent almost his whole time in the senate running for President. As shown in the debates, he knows little if anything on the important issues, he would wait for Hillary to answer and either agree with her or say the same thing just changing the words around a little. Had voters in the first primaries known about Wright, Rezko, Ayers, and all of his other crooked friends, I doubt he would be this far anyway. I bet there is more "buyer's remorse" out there than anyone realizes. Hillary Clinton knows the issues inside and out, and made him look like an uninformed idiot in the debates. How anyone can vote for this ego maniac is beyond me. He was given stolen votes by the "rules committee" for a state that he took his name off of the ballot. Why should he get votes that were rightfully hers? Not to mention that the "super delegate" system is a farce! If you look at how many of the super delegates got money from Obama's and Pelosi's pacs and how many voted against their own constituency after that donation it shows you how many elected officials can be bought and paid for. Obama is crooked and he just knows how to work a crooked system. I will be voting John McCain in November.

Posted by: nhkat | Aug 15, 2008 11:56:19 AM

Why is HRC having to do more for the DNC and Obama than her predecessors (Ted Kennedy, Bill Bradley, Gary Hart, etc.) ever did after they lost the nomination to the eventual nominee? Is this one of those sexism thing again?
Look, Ted Kennedy would not shake Carter's hand at the convention even though he was a distant second.

Hillary does not owe the DNC or Obama anything. It should not be up to Hillary to see that Obama wins the election. It's Obama who has to win the election on his own merit.

Posted by: Sam | Aug 10, 2008 1:54:47 AM

Let the roll call happen. Just as it has in years past. This is the democratic process. Frankly the DNC is loosing this race.
If Hillary looses, she looses. If Obama looses he looses.
This is politics people.

Personally, if Obama wins, I will not vote for him. He is not the experience we need.

I am a Life time Democrat who is ready to change parties!

Posted by: reminnov | Aug 9, 2008 4:15:50 PM

OK, we assume that the creepy Clintons are going to make a grab for the candidacy at the convention. One somewhat cynical view would be that they would start releasing cover stories so that their bad behavior would not look so bad. One of those might be that other candidate (cough John Edwards) were as bad as they are. Hmmm..., how would tht work? It might be difficult to get Edward to agree to expose himself the way creepy Bill did to female workers in Arkansas.

Posted by: disambiguates | Aug 8, 2008 6:45:52 PM

Bill will not be announcing Hillary as VP. Evan Byah is not on the schedule to speak and that could be telling.

Posted by: Debra | Aug 8, 2008 6:22:13 PM

“I happen to believe that we will come out stronger if people feel that their voices were heard and their views were respected. I think that is a very big part of how we actually come out unified."

The voices of the American electorate HAS ALREADY spoken. Hillary LOST. End of story!

Posted by: mrspeel2 | Aug 8, 2008 5:49:19 PM

Well, well, well, Bill Clinton has been tapped to give the opening speech at the convention prior to Obama announcing his running mate for the campaign. This can mean only thing! Either Hillary is being tapped as the vice-president or being given a large roll in Obama's administration otherwise Bill Clinton would have told them to go fly a kite! So, little Obama couldn't get the polls to go high enough in his favor and now he has to go to a girl, the gender that he bashed during his campaign in the primary, to help him get elected! lolololol! I am loving it! And, I actually still hope he loses to McCain, little pompous nit!

Posted by: Mary Anne | Aug 8, 2008 4:32:16 PM

"Sharonklim" ...voting is not "hype", if you cast aside your rights and liberties as a American you have lost everything no matter what you think of a canidate, Barrack, Hillary, or McCain. All voices will be heard one way or another, whats your pleasure?

Posted by: Jim | Aug 8, 2008 1:57:45 PM

PARTY?????

Posted by: hmmmmm | Aug 8, 2008 1:46:46 PM

'Only when you count votes including Michigan and Florida does Hilary Clinton receive more votes. "

_________

But none theless, some of the Michigan delegates were given to OBama... who had CHOSEN not to run.

And none theless, OBama, who fought tooth and nail against the seating of these two states.. now... after he has been SELECTED as the presumptuous (!)candidate... wants them to be FULLY seated.

What ever happened to the DEMOCRATIC

Posted by: hmmmmm | Aug 8, 2008 1:46:02 PM

People get over it almost every other convention has a roll call? why not this one? Oh cause it's Hillary? Where is edwards? were is dodd, where is kunich? why is hilllary alone responsible for supporting barack? And I would think the DNC would want the last democratic president to speak at the convention.

Posted by: rachel | Aug 8, 2008 1:40:30 PM

Freedom:


The perfect recipe for NOT gaining influence and capturing votes.....:

"Just because she received more votes than Barak she knows she really isn't worthy to be on the same stage as him. She really should resign from the Senate and start baking cookies."

__________

...AND IF SO, then Obama should step out of the political rink and pen a few more novels!

Posted by: hmmmmm | Aug 8, 2008 1:38:14 PM

Unfortunately and sadly all of hype regarding a vote at the Democratic Convention for a count of Hilary Clinton delegates has been strategically planned from the beginning. Hilary Clinton declared this option was going to be kept open. Fact is Hilary Clinton herself dropped out of the race, and she publicly endorsed Barack Obama. Clinton plans for this convention vote were/have always been their political strategy. She is portraying herself as the victim and appears to be the good sport. Facts support appearances by both of the Clintons reveal and appear they are very polarizing individuals using devious methods for their own benefit. History reveals when these two are involved in something enormous controversy and confusion present. I am very disappointed about the recent implied suggestive words used by Hilary Clinton to get supporters going again. This is good example of political campaign strategy gathering support slowly but surely. Both have been very quiet until reently. Now News Media hype stories have jumped to further nurture it's growth. President Clinton has now come out to reveal he just can not say he endorses Barack Obama and can not say he feels he is qualified. He further reveals he is upset about how he feels he and his wife were treated during the campaign. Yes, Hilary did experience gender bias, but is negated by fact Barack Obama experienced racial bias. Hilary Clinton herself is playing both sides saying all is well and stating she supports Barack Obama. It does appear she is trying to portray and gain support for herself as the good upstanding victimized Democratic candidate. This is another example of a "populist" political campaign strategy. This is very disappointing to see happen and to be tolerated by so many people.

I truthfully have some difficulty understanding why all of this has to occur. Facts just do not support many of the Clinton stances.
My long records with facts from articles on each candidate reveal Hilary Clinton was:
(1)Hilary Clinton was the more attack candidate secretly giving out and indiscretely inflicting smear tactics on Obama - examples are long and verified - Clinton's were indeed more personal smear attacks. Records about Barack Obama attacks on Hilary were much lower and were not personal strong smear attacks. Clinton has many bad, bad baggage that could have been used against her, but Barack Obama did not use. Facts seem to support this is not the type of campaign Barack Obama conducts. Facts reveal Clinton used in various public advertised and underground venues not publicized.
(2)Hilary Clinton took "populist" stances that were not factual fairness nor solutions, only wanting to gain votes for herself. Everyone needs to look up the true meaning and reasons for using "populist" stances. These political strategies play on emotional issues/concerns of the voters. Voters gain nothing by these stances as any beneficial outcomes of the stances will never be realized. Discouraging to see these types of stances taken when we have so many financial disasters affecting us today
(3)Unfair conduct pursuing votes and voters support(another "populist stance") for Michigan and Florida DNC declared non-sanctioned primaries - requesting votes stand from primaries when Michigan court made decision primaries were not legal primaries as state law moving date up is not legal - Hilary Clinton Campaign representatives were non - negotiating and took hostile stances - revealed and displayed during televised DNC Committee Meeting where final decision was voted upon regarding Michigan and Florida primary status and results and allocation of their delegates- facts reveal Barack Obama representatives displayed good stances and were trying to be fair and "give a little" as good will gestures - this was not shown on TV, but was during time when committee was out negotiating away from cameras- expert witnesses publicly testified Barack Obama had majority of vote for more delegates to go to his side but they suggested and supported giving Hilary more. This whole situation was most definitely not something any good parent would want to teach their children as an example of how to live life with good values abiding by present laws and rules for total fairness for all involved.
(4)Unfair to blame Barack Obama for not attempting to do more to pay off her campaign debt. Obama has been so polite and supportive. Would not let his supporters ridicule her- end of problem. He has asked his supporters to give to her campaign. Some have, but reality exists. Money is short for many people today. Difficult for them to give to both campaigns and support their families. FACT -Hilary Clinton raised great outstanding record breaking totals of campaign donations for her primary campaign too. Facts reveal Clinton campaign had intense personal controversies going on between staff, more confusion and blowups, revealed poor campaign management to keep campaign financially sound and in black, lack of control and questionable selection of campaign staff. Hilary Clinton should have been quite capable of clearing her debt if she truly had a great voter support existing even after the close of the Democratic primaries. Her monthly records of campaign donations indicated her debt would be whipped out easily if she really still had supporters as she now claims she has. I saw she campaigned strong even at the end not curtailing expenses even though her campaign was deeply in debt. So who is to blame for piling campaign debt up further? Barack Obama had nothing to do with any of Hilary Clinton Campaign finances or management of the money spent. Hilary Clinton did though. The Clinton's continued to pile up this debt themselves. Barack Obama had actually backed off heavy campaigning at the end saving money. Now Barack Obama is being blamed for this debt??? Unbiased common sense supports fact Hilary Clinton Campaign present debt is in all ways is reflective of Hilary Clinton's ineffective campaign oversight and financial management, and continued strong campaigning without regard to financial stability of her campaign.

These are only a few example of my long records I have accumulated and do not includes all the facts or reason I would /could include. This response would be qay too long.

I attempted to evaluate both candidate fairly from the beginning and throughout. I am actually Republican, but was not satisfied with present administration and Republicans. I was willing to evaluate all candidates o both parties. I originally started out favoring/supporting Hilary Clinton. But Hilary herself pushed me away. The records I kept do speak what is true and what isn't. Words are cheap. Barack Obama came out way ahead as a more honest and less vicious.

I find the all of the currents actions by Hilary Clinton Campaign and President Clinton planned all along. Their public appearances are very disturbing. Seem to reveal they want and feel they deserve and are entitled to alot of things. All is so very secretive??? Guess we will all see and evaluate facts as this story unfolds. I am quite disturbed and skeptical about their true motives. These two are well known for their polarizing political moves. All to be continued---

Posted by: Sharonklim | Aug 8, 2008 1:18:51 PM

You are right! The Democratic party is slipping into oblivion and people like Kerry Obama Kennedy and Dodd are assisting it's departure. Obama'a super ego won't allow the vote on the convention floor because it will show how narrow his victory was for his campaign. Sounds like Republican behavior and tactics, doesn't it? We have Republican A running and Republican B. The Democratic party caught the last train to the coast, the day, the party died, and we were singing bye bye to our Dem party, drove the chevy to the convention, but the convention was dry, and the good ole' Dems were drinking whiskey and rye singing this is the day that our party has died, this is the day that our party died... It's a disgrace is what it is. And, they said today that Bill Clinton is doing the opening speech at the convention. lolol They found out how deep the Clinton's support runs in this country and never imagined they would have to solicit the Clinton's help to get their man, who they forced down the country's throat, Obama, elected. The last laugh is on them! And, if Bill is speaking after how infuriated he was by the way Obama treated Hillary and the way the Democratic party allowed Obama to treat Hillary, and the way the Dem party treated Hillary, you know they are being offered something HUGE FOR HILLARY. Well, well, well, the Dems forced their guy down our throats, AND THEY STILL NEED A GIRL TO GET HIM ELECTED!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL And, personally, I hope it doesn't work and that MCCain slams him in the election because that is how disgusted I am with the Democratic party. This is a perfect example of what happens when you have an inexperienced candidate running in a country that is largely demographically gray, and, have the young inexperienced voters come out in record numbers to vote for an inexperienced candidate because they can't tell the difference between a seasoned politician and a motivational speaker. I hope McCain slams him in the Novemeber election. I will dance in the streets! The Dem party has to learn a lesson so that they never pull this nonsense again!

Posted by: Mary Anne | Aug 8, 2008 12:12:16 PM

Destini, isn't that exactly what Hillary was trying to do with Mi and Fl delegates, change the rules???? I guess you could say how dare Hillary, right.

Posted by: ?? | Aug 8, 2008 12:12:16 PM

There will be a political price to pay if he keeps her off the ballot. Hell, even Howard Dean's name was put into nomination. he didn't release his delegates, few as they were, until Kerry was being nominated.

How dare they change the rules?

Posted by: Destini | Aug 8, 2008 12:05:32 PM

If the "Democratic Party" will not "allow" a vote on the floor, then I feel we are seeing the slow and steady death of one of our most prized constitutional rights "the right to vote". I am sure some will say that I am being to dramatic but I do not like the direction this party is heading towards. I do not like how Speaker Pelosi runs "our" House or the
Party, no descent, no disscusion, no votes. I can only hope that there still some citizens of this party who are more interested in our liberties and rights than creating a mirage of unity for the TV cameras.

Posted by: Jim | Aug 8, 2008 11:50:45 AM

Hillary's 18 million + supporters will be paying very close attention to the way that the convention is handled. We do not want a pre-planned, symbolic, and superficial roll call vote. We want a legitimate convention in which Hillary's name is placed in nomination, and there will be a true vote.

We will not accept some type of phony democratic concoction for "unity's sake," indeed we demand true democracy.

The superdelegates have become a joke: backing the candidate who lost their states, and boosting the least electable candidate--making a mockery of their precise roles as superdelegates (to push the one who can actually win). The caucus system has become corrupt, archaic, and useless as well. There are many technical problems with the dem party. Furthermore, democrats in congress have the lowest approval ratings, and Howard Dean, Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, Brazile, et al are abhored by at least half of the dem party.

A great deal hangs on how the Denver convention is handled--we are already extremely turned off by Obama's arrogant show of Kinghood at the Mile High football stadium...

Believe me, we will be watching how the Denver convention goes down, and it could determine whether or not many democrats drop the democratic party this year. Hear this, I am sick of the "new" and "changed" dem party and I am not alone--not at all.

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Posted by: kat in you hat PUMA | Aug 8, 2008 11:39:50 AM

Hillary scares me too, glad she's not the nominee.

Posted by: zz | Aug 8, 2008 11:15:19 AM

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