For Obama at Saddleback, a Tough Crowd on Some Issues

Separation of Church and State. Rick Warren and his congregations do not represent the moral majority of America.

I resent the fact that the candidates have to pander to evangelicals.
I wonder if any of the evangelicals pratice what they preach.

I was for neither canidate but how can
anyone feel Obama won. I am amazed at what people are looking for to run this country. I am well aware that some will vote for Obama no matter what. All I know is that Obama is not ready or has the experience to be President of the United States.

For me there is but one choice... John
McCain. If that offends you then you need to take a deep breath and wait just a minute... "It's my country too!" Thats why we have a two party system. And even though one prevails over the other, we remain Americans. But from some of the hate, rhetoric and intolerance that I continue to hear and read about, I get the impression that we may at some point in time be headed for another civil war in America!

BTW, most Republicans are just using this issue to pander for votes. They don't actually want Roe v. Wade overturned. If so, they would lose it as a wedge issue.

Yes there are some social conservatives in the Republican party that would like Roe overturned, but two thirds of the Reagan coalition are economic conservatives and military hawks, who have tended to treat social conservatives like the poor step child.

I thought it quite interesting the way Obama avoided the question of when an unborn child has rights. This abortion issue is a MAJOR concern for all Americans. If he (Obama) can't make up his mind on this issue because it's "above my pay scale", why should I believe he will know what to do when that 3AM phone call comes in?? Come on, Barak, have the GUTS tpo say what you think. Once again, he voted "present."

I was for Obama before the Saddleback "debate".... McCain will be a stronger president under fire... For that is their main job. We elect legislators for making law, we elect a president to protect us and look after our National interest. McCain is better suited for that job.
After last night, I know now that...

Gary Brown: "God help us! ..Obama says ...yet on his website he says... Then you say that"

Gary, you are taking this as if Obama were a sincere person with well-thought out positions.

Here's the truth. He is a Harvard trained lawyer, with a belief system established by Harvard and then modified by Reverend Wright and Chicago ward politics.

Nothing he says has anything to do with anything other than getting elected.

By saying multiple things that are directly opposed to each other, he intends to be able to represent himself as all things to all people. If you had the opportunity to talk to him about your topic, you would come away thinking he agrees with you 100%.

All politicians do this to a certain extent. But Obama is an extreme case, hardened by the experiences I stated above.

But your opening about "God help us" is exactly on-point.

If McCain gave his stump speech, Obama quoted from his books as usual. The problem is Obama thinks the same literary license extends to the real world.

I particularly liked when Obama said his toughest moral decision was when he voted against the war. Excuse me? In what parallel universe was he not a state senator with no say in the matter?

Boring, laughable and irrelevant. Loser.

"Obama answered his questions just like a good Socialist "

It's a good point, but I'm beginning to wonder if he isn't more about big-government, base appeasement and personal aggrandizement.

Some of the 30 or so policy shifts he has made this month must be difficult to justify with his Socialist backers, and will make governing as a Socialist much more difficult. Of course, maybe he just figures he has to do it to get elected.

God help us! When you have someone of Obama's talent selling, we're in trouble. Obama says he's against late term abortions yet on his website he says he will sign the "Freedom of Choice Act" which literally does away with ALL restrictions on abortion and he fought HARD against a law in Illinois that gave NEWBORN survivors of abortion the right to live! But Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ is your Lord? (Lord means "boss" or "master"). Then you say that "marriage is the sacred union of one man and one woman" but again, on your website you say you want to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which defines marriage as the union of one man and one woman! And you've told gay activists that you support same-sex marriage! But, of course, Jesus Christ is your Lord and we know this because you said so, right? WHAT ABOUT ACTIONS? Anyone who calls themself a Christian and votes for Obama is truly deceived.

Obama answered his questions just like a good Socialist …or some say Marist. Like his mama and wife taught him. Study your history people!

Posted by: notafool | Aug 17, 2008 1:29:35 PM
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And Obama doesn't get paid enough to make hard decisions.........lol. At least what McCain said was said as a joke, Nobama was serious. That's pathetic.

It's funny that the Bots set the bar so low when they know the golden boy lost. They only expect a 5% gain in the evangelical vote......lol.
He did not gain anything last night and my opinion is that he lost quite a bit. Even though he admitted to having the questions in advance ("I cheated and looked that one up") he can not give clear concise answers and only speaks well with a written speech and a teleprompter.
Compare that to McCain who speaks very well when it is from the heart, but poorly when it's a speech written by someone else.
As for Puma's, if you check out the blogs, we were very impressed with McCain and as usual, disgusted with nobama.

McCain has an advantage in extemporaneous formats. He doesn't have to disguise his positions with verbal gymnastics to try to disguise his well-documented socialist/moral-relativist views.

McCain gave his standard stump speech which Rick Warren never called him on.

On the other hand Warren told Obama not to give him stump speech answers. Nope, no bias there.

And by the way why didn't this article point out that McCain's answer to what he considers wealth is $5 million dollars. I guess if you wear $500 shoes and own a half dozen homes whats a$5 million.

I was highly disappointed by Pastor Rick Warren's comments that made it "appear" that both candidates were going to be provided surprise questions, when the pastor related that John McCain was being kept in a sound proof
room/booth, so that he would not hear
the question and answer session of Obama. I can tell you that Obama was too quick with the answers, which leads me to believe he was provided these questions before the program, so that his staff could prepare the answers for him that he would memorize, just like he did during the debates in my opinion.

Did anyone ever see Obama without his teleprompter answer an unplanned question? He is terrible at it, which is why he is too "chicken" to debate John McCain in a Town Hall debate, where the questions are free form from the audience. What is preposterous is that Obama agreed to the series of debates in Town Hall settings proposed by John McCain and then he backs out of it!!!! Obama is also afraid of the Lincoln/Douglas style of debates too that John would like instituted.

Look at Obama who says on the Saddleback Church stage that we must guard against Late Term Abortions, but his record in the Illinois Senate says differently!!! This man was all for Late Term Abortions up until the 9th month. DONT MISS the Sean Hannity show on FOX NEWS TONIGHT where Sean will have a nurse on his show, who testified on an Ill. Senate Committee hearing about babies born alive after botched abortions, where Obama refused to vote to provide medical care to such born infants!!! Isn't this extreme??????? How hypocritcal Obama was on the stage of this church saying that we should guard against late term abortions!!

I have not been a John McCain enthusiast but last night at the Saddleback forum, I came away with the sense that everyone will know where he stands! For those who think he did "talking points" on his beliefs - maybe they are his beliefs - so you state the obvious. Obama was shallow although I did learn a lot from him - and he has neither the depth of convictions or life experiences to preside over this country in these times. He would be rolled in a heartbeat by tough opponents from other countries.

"LOL! That sounds like a description of John Adams."

Do you actually think George W. Bush compares favorably to John Adams? Did Adams, like Bush, suffer from inability to make fine distinctions?

"Let's change 'black and white' to 'right and wrong'."

Not when it means "oppressor and oppressed". Not when it means "those who agree with me, and those with whom I am trigger-happy to wage war".

if going to Iraq was about envangelism i will be glad but if christians will use lie to achieve the will of god for god it is a SIN.It is unfortunate how peace could have achieve more than this war,all the so called new christians in Iraq will be like the seed planted on the road side in Mark 4,it will not survive bcos whatever is built on wrong foundation will not suceed

For all you people out there who keep saying how awful the last two terms have been, and how this war in Iraq is dumb, and how we can't have anybody who's like Bush... I just want to point out a few things

- For those of you who are Christians like me, since the US entered Iraq, the number of Iraqi Christians has gone from 5,000 to 100,000!! That is amazing, and as far as I can see the greatest success story in Iraq (and against radical Islam). In addition, finishing this war and leaving a non-extremist government in Iraq when we pull out is SO important for this area. I live in the middle east and I know.

- The last two presidential terms have been fraught with very tough situations: 9/11, Katrina, etc., and I think many people who are saying "we need something different" are acting as if Bush caused all these problems. He may not have made the best choices in every circumstance, but no president could have dealt with all these circumstances without making some mistakes.

- Finally, about this coming election: some of the worst choices people make are those they make based on emotional feelings from the past(anger, hurt, etc.) If we base our choice in this election on who's "like Bush" and who's "not like Bush", we won't evaluate the candidates from the right perspective - who they themselves are. Voting for a candidate because I think he's different than Bush or the same as Bush means basically that I'm allowing my feelings on Bush to control my vote for this election, and means that I'm not comparing the candidates to each other based on themselves, but on an imbalanced thought process based on emotion.

Let go of the past and choose the right person for the job.