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Oh and I almost forgot- even a cursory understanding of American history in regard to race should make it clear to anyone that which ever party pulls the votes of the majority of white voters in the states of the Old Confederacy is viewed by those same voters as the "white party".It was once the Democrats but the post 1964 Republican party has done plenty to earn that view from those voters.

Almost all the major positive advances in race relations from the end of slavery to the Civil Rights era are directly tied to "government intervention".In any given peroid most "individuals" certainly didnt lift a finger to help people who were discriminated against,opposed the progess being made by voting for (mostly Republican)politicans who did everything to stop it and judging by some of the resistance (even among Democrats) to Obama still hold the same views but dont-usually-express them openly because there is a certain stigma to admitting your a racist-think and act like one just dont admit it to a pollster!

I have a challenge for those who defend/ignore the GOP's abysmal record on black /white race relations in the US. Write about something positive the Republican party has done, post 1964, for black/white race relations WITHOUT invoking names like Clarence Thomas,Colin Powell ,Condolozeea Rice,Jc Watts etc .These "examples" of GOP race relations progress for the most part are black tokens who are either way more conservative(ie Thomas and Rice) than the avergae black or way more liberal (ie Powell) than the average Republican. I await your replies-it should be amusing !

I am Japanese, Native American and European. I am very conservative. Race has nothing --- NOTHING to do with political ideology. It has everything to do with one's moral/religious background and with their view of the role of government and the individual. I believe in personal responsibility and loath government intervention. Check out Bobby Jindal and you will see a picture of tomorrow's GOP. He and people like him are the future.

Wow! That's really insulting!

I have a challenge for the GOP minded. Write a positive comment reagarding the post 1964 Republican Party relationship with African American WITHOUT using the words Clarence Thomas,Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Jc Watts or any other token black appointment that for the most part (ie Thomas ,Rice) are way more conservative that the average black or (ie Powell) are way more liberal than the average Republican. I know this will be very difficult but I look forward to reading the flood of answers!

This is from a guy who said "Booyah," which was a huge scandal. He just doesn't watch his mouth.

Accident my butt. But you have to ask: what does the Democratic party have to offer white heterosexual males? Let's be honest. Can you imagine the outroar if a ranking R said the Dem party was the "black" party.

The Republican Party was the party of African Americans until the 60's when welfare started being given out in large sums. A sad day for everyone involved because we have created at least 2 generations of people that are now totally dependent on the government, people of all colors, but minorities seem to be the most affected by this.

Just another assertion of Dean's clumsiness in revealing what the Democratic Party has become!

Condoleezza Rice is the 66th United States Secretary of State, and the second in the administration of President George W. Bush to hold the office. Rice is the first black woman, second African American after her predecessor Colin Powell, who served from 2001 to 2005. Is it still the "white party" Dean? I forgot Howard Dean is black so is Pelosi and the Clinton's. Oh wait no they are not. Well at least they have Kerry and Edwards, nope wrong again...well at least the Democrats can say they nominated Clarence Thomas, shoot wrong again that was George Bush in 1991.

In the begining of my post it should have been "American companies" not countries...Sorry for the mistake...

This has been the democratic plan all along, The message they have been pushing is one of division, fear, and making outlandish promises they know they can not keep. They are going well outside the arena of civil politics, how many times has a Democrat "miss-spoke" in this and recent elections? These are not errors in speaking they are carefully calculated tactics to scare any minority into not voting on the issues. Lets see they want to raise the tax on corporations.The company I work for already pays taxes at a rate of 42% they want to raise this, and we wonder why American countries are moving operations out of the United States, I work in the Electrical distribution field and there have been a lot of companies selling to owners outside of the United States. They are doing this to protect profits is that a bad thing? A company with a Lower tax responsibility typically pay more in salaries. Democrats also support NAFTA a program that has cost a lot of Americans good paying jobs that where the backbone of our economy for decades. They want to tax my dividends on the stock I have purchased currently these taxes come out at a rate of 15% there is talk of raising that to 39%. Obama made the irresponsible claim of being totally independent of foreign oil in 10 years..What? If we drill off shore it would take a minimum of ten years to take effect according to Obama who was dead against it until popular opinion was for the drilling then he changed his stance on that. Ten years by drilling but we can totally change directions and use alternative fuel sources in ten years and place an entire National infrastructure in that same time frame? All this and lower the tax burden on the lower and middle class? Does this even sound logical let alone possible? This does not even take into account the position of Health care again more money. Where is all this coming from? According to all of you this war is being paid for by money borrowed from China, So say we end the war in Iraq something even McCain wants to do "when the time is right". That money is not available unless we continue to borrow..Could it come from raising taxes? You can bet on it. Obama and the Democrats keep telling us about change, but without details they tell us what we want to hear. And we fallow like sheep , blind sheep at that.....You can bet that the Democrats will "change" things and that change will leave us with a lot less change in our pockets.

What really bothers me is that the dems actually expect these stupid race card tactics to work.....are minorities or the dem leaders this stupid? As a woman of mixed races---I am very outraged at the shear nerve of Dean and his supporters over this. Mr. Dean Howard------despite your race baiting, I vote solely on issues.

Apparently Mr. Dean is declaring war on the white race in favor of minorities which he can use at will. No problem since the white race will soon become a minority and we can begin our affirmative action movement and insist on free cheese from the non-white government!!! Touche'

Dean is a head of the Democratic party and he's white. So are Hillary, Bill and Nancy Pelosi. Maybe they should fix there own house first.

I am black and not voting for Obama. I strongly believe that Obama is not the best candidate and unqualified to be president.

Obama talks about the audacity of Hope, but what does he Hope for? Change? What does he want to Change? He wants to change things so people can Hope. He just goes around in circles, and that's good enough for the mindless Obamatoids who think he's the greatest thing since soap operas.

Definitely no Martin Luther King. MLK didn't become a millionaire, much less doing it as an "activist" on the government payroll. He was a preacher and he did not preach hate, as has Obama's minister of over 20 years. He didn't have friends who bombed people and things. He didn't get any special real estate deals from slumlords. He was a man of integrity, and he clearly understood what needed to change.

Unfortunately, Obama seems equally committed to changing it all back to what MLK was trying to change it from.

Dean should look in the mirror. The Dems have played the race card repeatedly. But in fact most people are against Obama because he is unqualified for the position. The most inexperienced candidate with no leadership credientials we have had in at least 50 years.

President Bush appointed more people of color to positions of high power in his Administration than President Clinton did.

Dean has actually made similar statements in the past.

Where is the diversity in the Democratic Party? All of their top leaders are white.

Speaker of the House: Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
Senate Majority Leader: Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV)
DNC Chairman: Gov. Howard Dean
DGA Chairman: West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin
DSCC Chairman: Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY)
DCCC Chairman: Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)
DLCC Chairman: Iowa Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal

Democrats are breaking the barrier of gender and race, Republican are decades behind on this issue; hence the excitement in the Democratic Party.

Posted by: JD | Aug 16, 2008 2:58:49 PM
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Really? How? Are you referring to playing the victim card?

As a woman, I find such an approach demeaning.

S Adams
The fact that you idiots have to reach back to 1854 says it all. And if all you can bring up to date is Powell and Rice, you've confirmed what Howard Dean said, Freudian slip or not! Weak!

Posted by: roxanne | Aug 16, 2008 1:51:49 PM
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Let's see: Alberto Gonzales, Clarence Thomas, Bobby Jindahl, Alan Keyes (yeah, I know he's kind of a kook), my "brown skinned" husband (he's not famous though), several of the people who work in a GOP US Reps office in Michigan (the only white guy is the US Rep); Justice Alito; JC Watts

And that's just off the top of my head in a minute.

Dean has actually made similar statements in the past.

It seems to me that the nature of American politics is in its inception divisive. From the beginning, the ideals on which this nation was founded, albeit well-meaning, were systematically denied to those that were arbitrarily deemed "inferior." It is significant, whether some of you wish to acknowledge it or not, that some of these centuries-old wounds are starting to heal with the first person of color being able to attain such a great achievement. Is this not the letter of the Declaration of Independence, that all persons are deserving of equality in treatment and opportunity? I think it would be a better use of our collective time to try to come up with solutions to our common problems instead of constantly focusing on why those who disagree with us should be punished or ignored. A disagreement is not a moral proclamation on the character of the persons involved; it's really a chance for both people to self-reflect and determine if they are on opposite sides for the sake of argument or because of an honest belief in what they are saying. And if it's an honest belief, each is entitled to his or her own opinion. So many of the comments sound incredibly fearful of change. What is everyone so scared of? Change isn't scary; it's just different. Difference isn't a bad thing. How boring would this world be if everything was always the same? None of us posting here would have anything to talk about. And Rush Limbaugh would be out of a job. The thing is, that we are really not all that different. I think most of us can agree that the world is not exactly where we would like to be. We have to work together to figure out what it is that we want the world to be and to try to reach that ideal. Everyone's voice needs to be heard in order for us to reach a consensus and create a world in which the unique and marvelous principles on which this nation was founded are realities for everyone. But, it must be understood: that cannot happen by force. Force leads to forceful rebellion. It's not enough anymore to declare one side or the other evil and nuke it. That's not going to work long-term; we'll just blow up the entire planet eventually and that will suck for everybody.That doesn't mean that anyone should back down from a threat, but I don't think resorting to violence right off is necessarily the best idea. Most parents counsel children who are bullied to remember that civilized people solve disagreements with words, not violence. How is it that no one seems to be able to apply that to greater conflicts of opinion and ideology?

$285,388.13 per second...that's how much this country's spending. If you like that direction, and that debt being placed upon your children...Vote for the White Party.

Mariann,

I agree. Obama shouldn't have gotten any delegates from Fla, and Mich. And, for that matter, neither should Hillary. Yep, she won...55.8% of ZERO delegates in Michigan. Yep, she won...48.8% of ZERO delegates in Florida. Both states broke the rules!!!

Mariann Pepitone,

"He took the woman running against him to court and stated many of her signatures were fake and won the case when he should have lost."

Only a crook would try to make getting illegal votes removed a bad thing. THINK about that for a minute, will you.

Obama 08!

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck!

Just for the sake of argument, please point out the number of legislation decisions that Bush has made that directly benefited minorities in the past 7½ years?

Oh yes, if the Republican Party is so equal, why haven’t they instituted the DRAFT? They love wars but they only want the poor, (those who want to use their service to the military as a means to become educated after their tour of duty), the uneducated (those who can’t get a job or go to college) or the minorities (those who want to become citizens) to do the killing. Let’s keep it real!

I was for Hillary too in the beginning, but how the Clintons conducted their campaign, and all the drama that was rearing it's head in the primaries, I decided to go for the one who wasn't going so negative. I just think this is ridiculous that we have descent in the Democratic Party, when we all want the same things. Every debate that were Obama vs. Clinton, were like hearing a concensus on every issue. The only differences they had were implementation of the ideas, which neither will get because it still has to go through Congress, and not all of them agree on the implementation of the ideas either. We all want the same things and we all should vote for Obama. Hillary should still be part of the cabinet and will sitll be running in 2016. Obama 2008!

And in theme with this article...let's not forget, today's Democrats are yesterday's Republicans. Obama has to fight his own party a week before the convention. Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson, and just yesterday Ed Rendell made a stupid mistake...he's got to know Republicans are foaming at the mouth to hear of any desention. And once again, there's Hillary. She wants a catharsis?...then get behind Obama!?!? We'll see.

I was for Hillary early on. I thought she had tremendous financial advantage and connections. I never bought into her "experience" claim. She didn't even have a security clearance while she was First Lady. Once I read Obama's book, and started to realize he "is" a politician, and had waaaaaay more elected experience than Hillary, I gave him a chance. He spoke in a language I am familiar with. I watched as Hannity, el Rushbo, Fox, and all conservatives tried to tear him down. Empty suit? Obama graduated from two Ivy League colleges...McCain, 894 in his Naval Academy class. Community organizer, state legislator, US Senator...McCain, from Hanoi to Congress. I watched as Hillary's campaign tried to tear down a fellow Democrat, like the was a Republican...3am, "well, you know Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June...enough of the big speeches and rallies." All of that...then I found the candidate I liked, and started to give money to. McCain is giddy over $27 Million. Obama raised $52 Million in July.

For more than three years starting in 2005, there has been a reduction in the number of voters who register with the Republican Party and a rise among voters who affiliate with Democrats. So, Rove, Hannity, el Rushbo, Hugh Hewitt, Ann Coulture, and Laura Ingram can focus on polls all they want. Democrats are registeing voters, and Obama is gonna win!!!

type "O" big deal!

"even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic Party " He's correct 15k a month is great
Paula Jones got a book deal
Monica Lewenski is set also

The problem is that the Presidential race has turned into, a "RACE" issue. As a country ,we were moving beyond race, and I for one am proud of this countries achievements, especially during my generation. we have bigger issues than race relations. We are a country at war, we are financally growing weaker. We need a Clonton back in the White House, we want the good days back! Hillary 08 or McCain!

So, you think PUMA will ensure a McCain win, then african Americans will turn around and flock to Hillary in 2012? If Obama loses this election, Democrats will be out for a long time "my friend".

Until 1932, blacks voted Republican, the party of Lincoln, by about the same 90% margins they vote Democratic today. That began to change in 1932 with the coming of the New Deal.
It is often forgotten, in short, that the Democrats had a "Southern Strategy" before the Republicans did. And it is also often forgotten that just as all those Southerners, including the Southern racists, who supported the New Deal were mostly conservatives, so the later Republican "Southern Strategy" contained almost no appeal to other races.

That is right, the Hillary group is going to ensure a McCain victory, the Democratic Party will be left in shambles, PUMA is staying organized and will hold all those responsible for this mess, we count and we vote , you will be hearing us! PUMA

Yeah, the Hillary and Obama group. After next week, ther'll be no Hillary group, though.

The DNC has a diversity problem now, we are split into two groups.

The G.O.P.’s own leaders admit that the great Southern white shift was the result of a deliberate political strategy. “Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization.” So declared Ken Mehlman, the former chairman of the Republican National Committee, speaking in 2005.

The RNC knows they have a diversity problem. They may not have appreciated Dean pointing it out, though.

85% of the RNC's 2004 platform was devoted to the GWOT. Their platform is war, keep the country in a perpetual state of war, and tax cuts for big corporations that support the war effort.

Looks like their is too much bitterness out their,we are not moving forward, the DNC is split. I am applalled by Trinity Church.

You don't believe Dean was right? Look it up. 93% of the Republican Party is white. If that's diversity, or a reflection of our society in their eyes, Dean is correct about this being the "white, uh...did I say that aloud?...Republican Party." I just looked at the RNC site, for their 2008 platform...NOTHING...NO A THING!!! They're still awaiting imput, and it's August 17, 2008. Which tells me, their platform will probably be the same tired 2000-2007 platform.

I am not white but I I usually vote Republican. I am also voting for McCain.

Why does the DNC have an unstable man like Howard Dean as their rep? The guy's crazy!

Who is playing the race card now?

Where is the outrage in the media over this? Why aren't they calling for his resignation?

Dean makes being “White” a bad thing...I'm sick of the DNC....I am a long time Democrat who has always supported Blacks and minorities.....this is like being stabbed in the back by your own brother. I’m not putting up with it. PUMA

Phyllis: You said the right words. I live in Chicago and have lived her all my life. I know all about the city hall politicans and how this city is run. Obama is just like them. Underhanded and crooked like Rezko. He took the woman running against him to court and stated many of her signatures were fake and won the case when he should have lost. That woman never ran for office again. I believe that Obama, Nancy, Dean and Reid made deals with the superdelegates to change their vote to Obama. Nancy and Dean do not like Hillary and they would do anything in their power to doublecross her. Obama should not have received any delegates from MI and FL but that's what Dean did. Hillary should have been the nominee and we all know that. I am wishing for an upset at the convention. If he doesn't choose her as VP I believe he will lose the election.

The only reason the republican party is mostly white is because most blacks are democrat and there are a lot of whites that are democrat. Powell and Rice are republicans. There are blacks that are republican but very few. To say that republicans are the white party is very racial due to the fact that he is white himself and so is Nancy and Reid. And the majority of the democratic senators are white. This campaign is not about race it is about who would be the best candidate to run this country.

Some Einstein earlier wrote that the Republican Party is made up of "angry white men". I'm white, male, and Republican. My peers and I are part of an initiative that help the under-priviledged buy food and clothes for pennies on the dollar. I don't consider myself angry, and it just so happens that those we help are predominately hispanic and black. All I see here is proof that Howard Dean has graduated to Rev's Jesse and Al status. Dividers.

Miguel.

You are supporting Obama because of HIS JUDGEMENT?? I can understand people supporting Obama for this or that, BUT JUDGEMENT? THAT'S A NEW ONE!!!

"Accidently"

Sure.

Keep it up, Howard. You're one of the best weapons the McCain campaign has!

Dean is and always has been a blooming idiot! Thanks for helping McCain!

This is so funny, coming from Howard Dean, a Vermonter. Vermont is truly a white state. I live in Vermont and whites outnumber all other races and minorities
by over 98% to less than 2%. Ask Howard how many blacks served in his administration, women or men, and ask Howard how many blacks, either women or men, served in the legislature under his watch as governor.

Lets be real here. Republicans are a mostly white party. Thats a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. To deny this is like denying that the sky does not look blue when the sun is out. People want to act like this is some earth shattering news. So Dean said something "accidently" that is true. Can't argue this. Stop acting in denial, it is, what it is.

If the RNC is the party of white men, then the DNC is the party of the rest of the men. That's why this woman is a registered independent and is looking for a party "of the people".

YEEEHAAAA another Dean meltdown?

It's time for Dr. Dean to spend more time with his family.

I don't believe there was another minority that has ever hold a position higher than Condi Rice or even Colin Powell. Hmm...how come I keep hearing "white" & "black" from the mouth of Democrats at the same time claiming Republican using the race card. Obama, Dean, Pelosi & Reed are the same crooks.

If Obama wins, what is Dean, pelosi and Reed going to do with their time because as it looks like they spend time blaming Bush on everything instead of getting anything done.

nancy pelosi, howard dean, david axelrod,al gore, bill clinton. See there are minorities leading the Democratic party.

Look who is playing the race card. Now everyhting falls in place, perfectly! These guys like Dean, holding key positions in the party, all along decided to bet their hopes of winning back the White House along the race lines. So Sen Clinton had no place in their plan. And Bill Clinton, who did so much for the African-Americans and the country, needed to be sacrificed, by tarnishing his image, by branding him a racist. These giys were simply waiting for certain words or statements that were twisted cleverly to give a race color. That's what happened during the SC primary. There is one more reason though, the influence of the Clintons on the party, who brought back the Dems to the White House, needed to be consigned to history. Noone likes to play a second fiddle. So, why should Dean do it either! A game well played, planned over a long time.

The Political parties that once were are no more. What a disgrace for this Country that before long we will be a Socialist State. The righting on the wall has been there for a long time, maybe since FDR. Thank You DNC you may finally get your way. If only the good people were allowed to read what was on those walls. How sad.

@HawkTheSlayer...

Again, it's not color, it's judgement... I probably have more african-americans among my friends than you do, I grew up and went to school with blacks, hispanics and some jews, and some asian-americans. You just mentioned token Thomas, who is not very popular among african-americans (Again, it's not skin color, it's judgement, dude). Some folks are somewhat proud of Powell but most black folks are not too happy with Condi either. It would take a thousand years before you could see an ELECTED, not appointed, african-american coming from the GOP.

Who has facilitated African Americans to the highest political positions in the history of this country? Who appointed the second of two African-American supreme court justices?

Republican president George W. Bush:

Secretary of State Colin Powell
Secretary of State Condolleeza Rice
Justice Clarence Thomas

Republicans value merit and these meritorious individuals are amazing examples to us all. I for one am very glad that times and attitudes have changed in BOTH parties to value individuals and merit over race or creed. Howard Dean shows himself to be a creature of the divisive past, desperately playing the race card in a blatant and obvious Freudian slip. How ironic for a rich, powerful old white man to criticize his opponents and "accuse" them of being white. Unfortunately his candidate, Barack Obama, also makes such slips, referring to whites with "they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them" and his grandmother who has racist tendencies as a "typical white person."

Howie had another oral accident?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell ya!

To USmarine0331... yes, MLK was registered as a Republican but during the civil rights struggle he actually became a Democrat. That's when the change happened. Democrats supported human rights for blacks and Republicans were against the movement, this is how in the 60's the south became solidly Republican. Before that blacks had been Republicans (where able to vote) since the Republican party was Lincoln's party. But the truth is that the Republican party is the lesser of two evils from a white supremacists viewpoint, and there's a reason for that. I am hispanic, American, and fired up Democrat supporting Barack Obama, not because of race, but because of judgement.

Dean acts like being white is a bad thing...what a moron.

I registered last month as a black republican. Howard Dean needs to shut-up. My vote for McCain is a vote against the Obama and DNC party. Sorry Obama, you lost me when you open your month..

John S. McCain will be the next President of the United States of America, we have not lost our collective will to NOT BE DUPPED

BTW-Just watched the Rick Warren forum tonight, Obama needs a teleprompter, and McCain is the next president of the United States! SPOT ON!

USMarine 0331---Good one! and thank you for your service to our country.

BTW-Just watched the Rick Warren forum tonight, Obama needs a teleprompter, and McCain is the next president of the United States!

One day this self evident truth will be admitted. For all of you feeling so indignant, why are you so defensive about something that IS true and you obviosuly cherish and believe in??

Who cares if the Republican Party is mostly white? Who cares that the African-Americans vote mostly Democrat? But we should care that the party that runs this country is all white though! The "Establishment Elite". That 1% of white people have pulled the wool over 99% of Americans into thinking we have a 2 party system, when it's actually a 1 party system of control! Am I the only person in the U.S. that knows this? Wake-Up-America!

Where is the outrage? Dean should be fired..but wait DEMS can make racists remarks they are protected

Dean, Pelosi, and Reid must go and don't forget to take Obama with you.

Republicans appoint Colin Powell and Condi Rice to international appointments something no Democrat did. Dean is a blind fool trying to create this campaign into a race war. So if we don't vote black we're racists???

Ok -so where is the outrage? Why isn't someone demanding that Dean lose his job? Why isn't he being villified on the front of every newspaper & news magazine in the country?

Howard Dean is a Communist.

I guess the saying that nobody trusts POLLS is not on Mr. Dean's mind