McCain at Saddleback: His Wise Men, and His Moral Failure

I have read Obamas Book..The Audacity of Hope and found it to be full of history, charity and contemplation of the past and present problems facing the world. Obama is obviously then a very well educated, intelligent and thoughtful person who could bring America back to the fold. McCain in start contrast is basically a hand thumping simplistic jingoistic richkid, pandering to a poorly educated, bigoted and hateful brainwashed mass of mid-American humanity that finds itself without a job and without an idea about how and what to do about an America that is increasingly marginalised and unable to call the shots on the world stage, unless its to 'shoot it in the head'.

Americans who vote for McCain are assured in the knowledge that the worlds citizens will continue to find American attitudes to its own people and people of the world abhorrent... That the 'stay until we win argument' (win what?)a foothold in the middle east so you can plunder the last of the worlds oil reserves so you can continue 'running the show' does not cut it anymore. The GOP is broken. American hegemony based on moral superiority is over. Get used to it. Retrain...educate yourself...develop new technology for good not evil. Find a way forward that doesn't require theft of another countries resources or the sale of weapons systems.

America should Get a Life.

All of these Pro Mac comments re: his "stellar" Saddleback performance are truly overrated and most importantly inaccurate after Rick Sanchez's interview with Warren on CNN on Sun., 8/18. Mac was "on" because he listened to 30 minutes of the questions Rick Warren posed to Obama. Cone of silence-- there wasn't ANY
Speaking of religious values, let's start with honesty. "I was trying to listen through the wall"-- what bunch of crap!

I'm surprised McCain didn't appoint Joel Olsteen as one of his wise men. McCain stated within the last several weeks that he admired him as an evangelist. At this juncture in time, he's best known as Mr. Victoria Olsteen, due to his wife's recent contentious interaction with a stewardess. Anyway, Olsteen, like Rick Warren, has his own church and books reeking in the millions. Olsteen really plays up the prosperity gospel, as if God is Santa Claus dispensing with cash if you're good enough and aligned with His will. It's a good justification for McCain marrying into money, I guess. It's going on 2 and a half months since Obama became the presumptive nominee and no serious debate has emerged. Why can't the two have a traditional sort of debate with a sterling journalist like Lehrer or Leslie Stahl moderating? Oh, to dream the impossible dream . . . Anyway, this has been too long of an election year. Goodnight and wake me up when it's over.

The best that Obamanation can do is call McCain a liar? Please. Obama opens his mouth and he "nuances" and "parses" so that no matter what he says no one can pin anything on him. It is called "lawyer-speak." That is why Obama underperformed last night. How about if Obama takes one position, states it clearly and succinctly, and sticks to it?

McCain came out the winner. McCain was energized, positive, and spoke with conviction. Whether you agree with McCain or not, at least you know where he stands. And that is why McCain is preferred over Obama by huge margins in the category of experience and values, whereas Obama skyrockets in the "risky choice" category. One just does not know who this character really is once one looks and listens past his "inspiring" rhetoric.

It was clearly obvious that McCain hasn't gone to a church for worship in a long time. He's an adulterer, cheater, liar, and bigot.

war
what is it good for
absolutely noting

say it again
- Edwin Starr

The only thing I heard from McCain last night was 1 long 60 minute sound bite; nothing of substance except his negativity and confrontational attitude.

"we're pretty much guaranteed to be at war in more than just Iraq and Afghanistan if he gets elected"

thank goodness liberals don't try to scare us.

Obama gave thoughtful answers that fully and completely answered the question asked. McCain gave what amounted to pandering stump speeches. McCain's brusque angry tone proves he isn't calm enough to manage a McDonald's let alone the country. He is so focussed on vengeance and not-so-pent-up aggression we're pretty much guaranteed to be at war in more than just Iraq and Afghanistan if he gets elected.

You can tell by watching the debate that McCain is clearly a more powerful communicator than the stammering Obama with his Ugh. Obama may have done some damage to some of his brain during his teen years, as he told us, for selfish reasons. It's also clear that he's still a very selfish person today.

"Obama 'sanswers to the questions posed were thoughtful and at times almost too religious for me."

Who really believes Obama is religious? Like everything else, it's a front.

If he was religious, it would bring the number of religious Harvard law graduates who are Saul Alinsky disciples up to 1. Maybe it is the compelling moral framework he received in Rev Wright's congregation that saved him. Yeh, that's the ticket.

"Why is that the press go after Edwards for cheating on his wife, but nothing is ever said about McCain"

duh, maybe because Edward based his campaign on moral superiority, his wife has cancer, the truth only came out a week ago, McCain's incident happened 25 years ago, and spending years being tortured in a prison camp might have an influence one's actions post-release?

Just some thoughts.

Why is that the press go after Edwards for cheating on his wife, but nothing is ever said about McCain. Edwards isnt a Presidential nominee McCain is, but nothing is ever pointed to the fact that McCain cheated then left his first wife purely because she didnt come up to his standards any longer as the poster girl image he once had of her. Then he pubicly calls his second wife the most disgusting name any person could ever use.
What woman in her right mind would ever vote for such a pathetic nasty man that has absolutely no respest for any woman let alone his 2 wives.

After now watching reruns of both candidates answers I am really leaning toward McCain.

Obama 'sanswers to the questions posed were thoughtful and at times almost too religious for me. Saying I know god died for my sins...just made me grimace.

Not mentioning one nod to Osama bin Laden bothered me, and Mc Cain whether this was pandering seemed to be in sync with most americans/new yorkers on his capture and on the spiel GWB gave after 9/11.

Obama using above my payscale in his answer on when life begins was a little flip of an answer to a question which many wanted a direct answer .

I think the way the Obama campaign is being handled has a "star" quality that is contrary to what most americans equate with the highest office in the land.

When one gets emails from his campaign saying they have a chance to a back stage pass, when we see a "so called" presidential seal being flaunted, when we read how his campaign is wooing American designers to create "fab tees" for Obama 08, to me it has become too extreme.

And it does reek of self centeredness, he has to approve what his camp is doing.

I just don't know about him but the more I read and watch, it is not making me feel very comfortable.

When you couple the above with his naming Michele and his GM as the wisest and Michele as who he would turn to for an honest answer that does not resonate to most Americans, If Hillary Clinton was asked the same question and gave Bill as the answer we would at least know he was wise, Michele has yet to be proven although she is smart not sure sure is wise, let alone the wisest.

His links to his trusted spiritual advisor and the other figures in his past, makes one uneasy.

If anymore controversy hits(if our MSM will report it instead of holding back on doing theri jobs, like the Edwards scenario) then I sadly think we will see Mc Cain win, and that may not be such a bad thing.

No matter life goes on and we can only hope for the best.

I read a very funny piece on the ads that thomas Jefferson had when he was running for the POTUS and it appears not much has changed over the years. He had someone not affiliated with his camp write horrific things about the sitting Pres. J Q Adams and this fellow was even put in prison for doing this. When Jeff won he released him.

associate: Those who mistake stuttering for either not being able to "think on your feet" or for hedging are doing just that - making a mistake. Very often stuttering occurs when one's brain is working faster than one's mouth. It's a really ignorant(and cruel) person who uses stuttering as a reason to put down or to justify one's dislike/distrust of another human being. If you don't like Obama because of his policies or where he wants to take the country as president, that's one thing. To criticize him for stuttering is just plain idiotic.

Sen. Obama was VERY thoughtful in his answers. That's because his answers came from his head--thinking about what was the most politically advantageous answers to give. Sen. McCain, on the other hand, answered from his heart and didn't have to orate while coming up with answers.

Obama stutted and paused the entire time. The man is not a quick thinker like we need in Washington. He danced around most subjects, never really giving a concise answer other than the couple religious answers he had prepared due to presuming those would be questions.

I've never been more impressed with Senator McCain, who spoke with confidence, intelligence, without hesitation, friendliness, and an unwaivering position of protecting and loving our country.

McCain is a good, good man.

I hope everyone is intelligent enough to see that.

His answer to "what is rich" is spot on. How dare Obama determine what is enough money for someone? How dare he, over and over, say, "the rich people don't need their money anyway?"

How dare he.

Those who earn it have the right to keep it, spend it, donate it WHERE they want and not where Obama deems necessary.

Think about it -- even if everyone paid the same PERCENTAGE (which we don't), the rich people pay far more than anyone else ... dollar amount. Someone making $250k is likely paying at least $75k to $90k in taxes.

On top of that, they likely buy a more expensive car. Tag the sales tax on a $100k car, and there's another $8k in taxes.

License tags on the expensive car? Likely another $2500 to $3500 a year in plates, yet another form of tax.

Likely their house is more expensive, so they're probably paying $15k to $50k in property taxes, so all the "poor" people can drive around on well maintained streets.

There is absolutely NO need to burden the successful people in this country anymore.

As John McCain brilliantly said, I don't see any reason to redistribute the wealth. I want EVERYONE to get rich.

EVERYONE has that opportunity because this is America. Obama had that opportunity, but this isn't good enough?

Go John Go..... I look forward to meeting you as President John McCain.

AMEN.

Frank Lynch:

Thats plum amazing analysis, however Obama got a point jump ahead of McCain in the Gallop poll after the show FYI, nice try no cigar.

McCain looked way too wired at the Saddleback forum. This is what worries most about him; he has a history of explosive tirades. That sort of temperament is not needed in todays political environment.

Obama said that he took drugs and drank because he was more interested in himself at the conference--- but are we seeing more of this self-importance.

The Obama campaign is soliciting “soft money” from labor unions for contributions up to $1 million and he will give them stadium skyboxes to watch his acceptance speech and other perks. Obama needs big bucks now so he can perform a “show” at the convention using the teleprompters.