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McCain at Saddleback: His Wise Men, and His Moral Failure

August 17, 2008 1:46 AM

Three whose counsel Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., would seek: Gen. David Petraeus, “one of great military leaders in American history who took us from defeat to victory in Iraq”; civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia, “who can teach us all a lot about the meanings of courage and commitment to causes greater than ourself”; and his economic adviser and eBay CEO Meg Whitman.

Asked his greatest moral failure, McCain said, with some emotion, “my greatest moral failing, and I have been a very imperfect person, is the failure of my first marriage.  It's my greatest moral failure.”

America’s greatest failure, he said, is that “perhaps we have not devoted ourselves to causes greater than our self interest although we've been at the best at it of anybody in the world.”

- jpt

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Obama again threrw his spiritual leader of 20 years under the bus. No admiration to God Dm America Wright from his adopted son?

If Obama's main advisors are his bitter wife and his white grandmother that suffers from dementia, America we are in trouble.

Honorable John Lewis, like McCain, has his scars as prove of his convictions and honor to his black people and country.

Obama has no experience, no knowledge, no sacrifice, no scars. NO Obama.

Posted by: Mrs.Phoenix | Aug 17, 2008 9:34:47 AM

BRinChicago,

"Anyone with half a brain knows that McCain won tonight; so much so that the panels on CNN and MSNBC and even David Gergen were forced to admit it was McCain's night."

You're kidding, right? Hillary Clinton won all the debates, too. Your point? The media has already shown us they collectively have poor judgement and that they are out of touch with the American public.

Obama 08!

Posted by: Common Sense | Aug 17, 2008 9:20:02 AM

"Who are three wisest people you know in your life and who are you going to rely on heavily in your administration?"

Obama says his wife, Michelle because she is "somebody who can get up in your face and say you really screwed that one up."
But HOW CAN THIS MAN WHO CLAIMS superior judgment have his wife tell him that he has "screwed up" be his number one answer?! Huh? Has Michelle been vetted as it appears she will be in charge...his number one answer!

Posted by: Mike | Aug 17, 2008 9:18:30 AM

McCain is a demagogue. He keeps repeating phrases that he believes resonate with his audience, often without actually answering the question that was put to him. It makes little difference whether any of the facts back his statements. His responses included lengthy references to his "heroic" incarceration during the Vietnam war. We need a president who exhibits judgement, not one who caters to the lowest aspirations of false patriotism. I found his responses to questions characteristically mediocre and nonsensical.

Posted by: S. Lukacs | Aug 17, 2008 9:15:30 AM

If you're stupid enough to believe that John McCain considers John Lewis to be a "wise man" and plans to listen to him during his (not) administration, then you're probably stupid enough to vote for McCain. It's not that hard to see the his obvious pandering.

Posted by: pedestrian | Aug 17, 2008 9:10:36 AM

The greatest failing of either man will be to believe he has the best answer. He will fall short. To be sure that the right action is taken you must be prepared to look the the US Constitution, The Federalist Papers, and understand the core of your Parties values and policies found in their respective platforms. Then ask GOD, but once you have this in your hand and heart ... you must act. This will not come from a teleprompter, if it does, you will have lost.
Michelle was caught up in the emotions of politics when she made her statement about how proud she was of this Country finally after all these years. Cindy was caught up in the emotion of her heart when she brought home a child as her own without considering how John would react. But this Nation should be proud to know how John responded when he was told! I am sadden when I think how Barack responded to the questions asked of Michelle and her thinking. He wanted her off-limits ... as a christian and married we can never separate the one from the other. It is a reality of the two becoming one flesh, let no man put asunder that which GOD has put together. Sorry Barack ... Michelle has to account for, of what and why she is!
Experience is not an immediate accomplishment. It is honed and earned each day and then brought into play. We see this everyday. You can not buy wise; you do need to know this first and foremost. There are many questions and just as many ways to answer it. This is why a wiseman has many advisers and expect none to need to answer for his decisions. Before GOD, family, and country; a leader must expect to be held accountable. Barack is not there and John McCain has many years into this point of light. John has paid a price in getting there. Barack will do well to learn from his role model, John F. Kennedy, and let time age his prospective for what it takes to lead this Nation in a time that is so ... prophetic, revealing, destructive,... so human!

Posted by: washbasin | Aug 17, 2008 9:09:12 AM

Obama is not good at thinking live on his feet. He doesn't look that sharp without the teleprompter. His thinking process is extremely slow and unintelligent.

McCain, despite his age, shows unexpected candor, quickness, and an intellect that most people half his age would wish for.

Posted by: young_voter | Aug 17, 2008 8:56:49 AM

Anyone with half a brain knows that McCain won tonight; so much so that the panels on CNN and MSNBC and even David Gergen were forced to admit it was McCain's night.

Unfortunately, the Obama-crazed fringe who post here are so surly they can't admit the truth, namely, that their candidate is sorely lacking. Obama is lacking the credentials, experience, and knowledge necessary for POTUS.

Obama is not ready nor is he worthy; his hubris has overpowered his judgement. He should have waited. He
is out of his league and should have worked in the Senate and garnered the necessary experience and knowledge before running.

I blame Brazile, Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, and Pelosi for this debacle. This was to be the Dems year and our chance for universal health-care, but they threw caution to the winds and crowned an unvetted, inexperienced candidate with questionable associates. I also blame the MSM and its corporate elite that have marketed Obama 24/7 in much the same way they did Bush.

The American people will speak loudly this election. McCain will win big against Obama, and he will be our next president. Country over party; character
over fluff.

God bless America, and save us from the political-hacks and "citizens of the world" that want to enslave our freedom-loving people!

Posted by: BRinChicago | Aug 17, 2008 8:46:21 AM

Obama has asked the public to vote for him because of his “judgment” and forget his experience. Last night on the forum regarding the 1996 Welfare Reform Bill which he strongly opposed believing it would have “disastrous results”----well he now believes the law has been largely successful. Another example of his really outstanding judgment --- nothing is a better teacher than experience and time!

Posted by: Anne | Aug 17, 2008 8:42:14 AM

OBama without his teleprompter just fumbled and the paid liberal bloggers excuse it as "being thoughtful."

Obama thinks Michelle is the wisest person from whom he will seek Presidential leadership adavice?

Where have we heard "two for One" before?

Obama shoould agree to non-moderated Town Hall debates with McCain so we can get a better understanding of how both men compare without distortion and bias of the highly edited pinko media.

McCain won hands down.

Posted by: Frank Lynch | Aug 17, 2008 8:26:20 AM

The most interesting comments are sometimes those not touched by the Media? On the topic of the millions of orphans in the world what might Obama do to solve the problem. Obama clearly stated that you need to collaborate and draw conclusions at what produces orphans and then work at the roots of the problems. Let's see Mother Nature as in Volcanoes, Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, heat waves etc., are one huge cause of orphans in the world---Obama really plans to make BIG changes! On the other hand, John McCain spoke of their adopted daughter with pride on his face. In other words people have to step in and help out.

Posted by: Ann | Aug 17, 2008 8:24:27 AM

I thought this was one of McCAin's weakest points. I thought Obama was good on this question, first of all looking for personal support from his family, then saying politically, he wanted to hear from as many people as possible, with different points of view. McCain throw out the nakes of people who fall into his political arguments and entourage.

[I think at some point Democrats are going to need to take McCain on on the surge. The surge was sold to Americans as the way to get American soldiers out of Iraq more quickly. McCain seems to be using it as an argument to keep American soldiers in Iraq.]

And on the American's greatest moral failing question, I thought Obama gave the best answer of the evening, and McCain equivocated. 'America's worst failing is something we do better than every other country' is a chest beating flag waving answer, not a moment of personal thought and introspection.

Posted by: markymark | Aug 17, 2008 8:16:53 AM

Obama's three most wise men----his wife, his grandmother in Hawaii and then he covered his bases by no names "several Democratic and Republican lawmakers". He couldn't even think on ONE NAME of someone that he would like to gain counsel from? Give him back his teleprompter and written speeches.

Posted by: Mike | Aug 17, 2008 8:13:59 AM

Obama dodges an abortion question saying it's above his "pay grade".

Wow, Obama afriad to answer a question and views everything through how much money someone makes.

Posted by: geevill | Aug 17, 2008 7:48:15 AM

Well, as usual the media will say how thoughtful Obama was, how he 'THINKS' about his answers and tries to give us the truth. . . NOT A SOUNDBITE for a bumper sticker !!! McCain is OLD SCHOOL, caught up in the same politics of the past. . .speak in one-liners, and nobody will notice. The country is in Crisis, and he thinks we need more of the same. . . NO WE DON'T !!!! The GOP has lost this battle. . .and true conservatives should be ashamed of what this administration has done to this country !!!!!! NO MORE. STOP THE MADNESS.

Posted by: BJ | Aug 17, 2008 7:46:49 AM

Oh I am so glad there are people out there that see McCain for what he is. I was afraid that I was the only one out here that wants a thinker for a Pres., not some knee jerk one liner who thinks the American public expects instant gratification for the worlds problems. We now have a President who believes he is the American crusader for Christianity, and McCain is right along side of him hold the gun! God forgive us if McCain is elected. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on ME!

Posted by: commonsensewins | Aug 17, 2008 7:25:39 AM

What a scary old man.
If you think the USA is becoming a police state for the world now, just wait til McCain cranks up his "causes greater than self interest".
Remember that line in Apocalypse Now "I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It smells like victory" And the look in Robert Duvall's eyes ..McCain looked like that tonight.

Posted by: doug | Aug 17, 2008 6:23:53 AM

Gen. David Petraeus, “one of great military leaders in American history who took us from defeat to victory in Iraq”
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McCain is still in self denial. We have achieved nothing like victory in Iraq and there is no way to do so. While we cannot be defeated, we also cannot be victorious. Why? Because we invaded a Muslim country for no good reason. Plus, the American people do not support the war. The reasons are many. This is the major flaw in McCain's character. He does not know what victory is.

Posted by: Beto | Aug 17, 2008 6:15:41 AM

So, Ebay's Meg Whitman is one of McCain's top three heroes?

Does anyone here Ebay? (Yes, it's now a verb).

Sellers can no longer leave negative feedbacks. Only buyers can. This leaves sellers with no public recourse or protection against buyers who abscond with the goods, or who purchase and don't pay, then unfairly malign the seller with impunity.

They can get something for nothing, and aren't held accountable (sound familiar?) This is squeezing out the small, honest seller and fostering an environment where "power sellers" -- who could care less about negative feedbacks, as long as they're pushing their junk in mass quantities -- are fast becoming Ebay's preferred clients (sound even more familiar?).

Ebay's the new Halliburton, and Meg Whitman is McCain's Cheney.

I'd look for David Petraeus as Ebay's next CEO.

Posted by: It Ain't Mebay | Aug 17, 2008 5:59:59 AM

McCain showed his lack of depth and failure to grasp the complex issues facing his nation. He never once expanded on his views and continued to thump his war drum, his oil drum, and his empty headed belief that business should run the government. Of course those who lack the intellectual capabilities to probe any further than one liners and fail to understand the intricacies of a position will say he did well. Unfortunately, these are the majority in this country and will likely vote for him.

Obama refuses to be dumbed down because he refuses to believe that we are stupid enough to vote for more of the same failed policies and that we are capable of grasping the truth. In this regard I think he is being naive and should sloganeer, pander, lie and slime like McCain does. Too bad his morals get in the way.

Posted by: mummblemouth | Aug 17, 2008 5:00:48 AM

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