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"eyes wide open

lets stick with the truth

"Gramm is not "gone" ...he once again has been speaking for the campaign..."
dl.
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YOU're wrong!

If he spoke for the campaign, it could not have been in an official capacity.

Sort of like you.

Or me.
So,as YOU wrote and I copied:

"so stop!"

oh yeah,
and:

UGH!

"Asked what his role in the campaign is now, Gramm said in an interview, “I’m a supporter.”

As for whether he continues to advise McCain, he said, “We’re friends. I haven’t stopped being his friend. If he asks me, I’d give it to him.”

He added, “I’m not an official adviser.”

( snipped from the wall street journal )washington wire, aut.14,2008

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As I previously wrote, Gramm is no longer an official member of McCsin's campaign.

"The delegates will make history this week by officially nominating Obama as the first African-American presidential nominee of a major U.S. political party."

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But what about Warren Harding?

I don't care how wonderful Obama treats Bill Clinton at the convention. He made no bones about disparaging Bill Clinton's legacy to this country when he was campaigning against his wife, Senator Clinton. This country enjoyed the wealthiest period of its existence and Obama the new little twit, had to run him down constantly. I wouldn't care if Jesus himself was Obama's VP, I still WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!! He is done! And, he said the following about HIllary Clinton throughout the campaign AND THE WOMEN SUPPORTERS OF BARRACK OBAMA SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THIS, "I knew her claws would come out." "I knew when she was backed into a corner that she would react and I know her and how she reacts." "Who does she think is, Annie Oakley supporting the gun rights?" "I did not whine when her campaign released negative fliers about my." And, my most favorite of all time when he was in a closed door session two days after getting the nomination, where reporters were present, and when he was asked how he intended on making amends with the women voters who felt so angry about how he kept sexually bashing Senator Clinton because she was a woman, "They'll get over it." This is how insignificant he treats women voters so please don't tell me how much better off we will be with him as our president. And, I don't care what his wife has to say about him at the convention. She should be ashamed of herself, being a woman, and not taking a stand at his negativity toward Hillary Clinton as a woman. And any women who votes for Obama should be ashamed of themselves! We are already rolling out commercials encouraging women to vote for John MCCain in November and this is only the beginning. He is as big of a flip flopper as his prune face supporter, John Kerry. And, Biden, is just another politics as usual Washington gas bag. Oh yea, there is a great ticket for America. Steve Erkel and Bluto the bully so good luck with all of that! I hope they get trounced in November by John McCain! The McCain campaign is treating women like we are the golden goose and the sky is the limit when we request something. I hope next time the man of choice by the Washington gasbags in the party, remembers to tell them to stick to the issues and not to crucify any candidate due to race, gender, etc., and to keep their pie hole shut! They are deconstructing and reconstructing our party and it is a disgrace! First they went with an experienced gasbag like kerry and he couldn't win. Than, they went with an inexperienced black man thinking the liberal base would feel guilty if they didn't vote for him. Obama was more to the right and than now he is in the middle. Is it any wonder that we cannot get anyone elected to the office of President when we are constantly changing all the time? It's ridiculous! And, we don't care if you vote for Hillary if she runs again or not. All we care about is our party being in tact and adhering to their original principles and that a woman is not harassed just because she is a women. If Obama supporters want to boycott voting for Hillary if she runs again than the women block will boycott anyone he supports, including himself. It will go and on because we have dug our heels in and we have no intention of going away this time. We are done! Go McCain!!! We are doing everything in our power to make sure that he gets elected!The Republicans will keep on getting elected instead of the Democrats if this nonsense continues!

what is also true is you'll have two poor money managers with a mccain romney ticket.

one doesn't know the economy.

the other doesn't know when to stop pouring millions of his own money into a hopeless dream.

dl - Is ignorance Bliss? is so you libs must be blissful!! But unfortunatly you are full of lies
Banking issue was brought to you by the Dems in Congress, but ignoring the issue so they can hold their Stalinist show trials, Sen. Schmer(D) from NY is responsible for the larges collapse!!
Did you ever wonder why all these dems including Obama got great deals from Banks on their mortgages?
They were paid off!!

eyes wide open

lets stick with the truth

Gramm is not "gone" ...he once again has been speaking for the campaign...

and yes...Gramm wrote McCain's economic platform.

so stop

Everyone should look at both candidates leadership in their campaign...

McCain's team are the same team that borught us the banking crisis (Gramm), enron (gramm), the iraq war (scheunnemann), an ignored Georgia situation (Scheunnemann)...

and Black...Black's had his hands in almost every negative corporate and administrative lobbying issue out there...go look at his companies client list.

you have a choice...

the bad guys again who gave us the last 8 years or the team that fought those bad guys.

it's an easy choice if there wasn't a lot of bologne being thrown around like
statements that say "gramm is gone"

as if they threw out his economic plan and he wasn't still running around "as the guy whop wrote the economic plan for Mccain" speaking.

ugh

geevil wrote

"if McCain picks Romey the big difference is Romney got millions of votes and won delegates. Biden is a loser and quitter."

the big difference is Biden has character.

even McCain know that.

Obama victory will enhance US image in the world! It is a very superficial assesment, just like the celebration of Obama for qualities that are superficial.In fact America will loose gravity. It will be another expression of our fascination with superficial attributes of glamour which can be excused for Hollywood but not Washington.

"Chavez' government has its political prisoners, it's socialist reforms have gone down the same predictable pathway to loss of freedoms, never to be regained short of revolution."

Bollocks. Rightwing propaganda not supported by facts. Chavez introduced Constitutional amendments, which were defeated.
What a dictator, caring for the Constitution. Chavez obviously doesn't think that the "Constitution is just a godd**n piece of paper". I don't want to be accused of plagiarism: this was an actual quote from George W. Bush.

HRW does not list any political prisoners in Venezuela. Or did you mean the people who were arrested after that coup d'etat?

Venezuela sure is a bit edgy about opposition groups after that coup d'etat. I don't deny that. But since the US (with the help of McCain's IRI) has been actively engaged in that coup against a democratically elected leader, I can understand why they would be. You would be too.

That could be the only possible card up his sleeve, but defrauding the FEC is a violation that would wind him up in jail."

Posted by: Typical White Sweetie | Aug 24, 2008 11:54:40 PM

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That, and the possibility he is NOT a US Citizen!

dl 6:40:45 She is releasing her delegates because they would professionally pay the price of NEVER GETTING ANYTHING FOR THEMSELVES OR THEIR DISTRICTS if they don't back Obama. That is the REAL world in politics-check out Illinois. PS...He won't carry Missouri. Sincerely, RL in Southern Illinois.

Sweetie: "It CAN get worse"

When you stay the McCourse, yes.

Then go to Venezuela and fight the system there.

Sweetie brought us Bush.

That's all you need to know.

It CAN get worse, and it only DID get worse since the Democrats took over. They could make things, far, far worse. Chavez' government has its political prisoners, it's socialist reforms have gone down the same predictable pathway to loss of freedoms, never to be regained short of revolution. The American spirit will not be put out by a Barack Hussein Obama, we will not relinquish our freedoms to the Golden Idiot. Never.

Sweetie:
What about the deaths in Iraq? Tens of thousands of little boys and girls have died there.
What about New Orleans? Drowned while McCain was eating cake with Bush.

McCain is expected to get 15% of Hillary's votes, and he hasn't even started campaigning in earnest yet. Obama will lose by double digits, check your history re: Kerry, Dukakis and compare.
Now Obama used to be a community organizer for ACORN which was found guilty of registering tens of thousands of nonexistent voters in multiple states. And he's still sending money via front organizations to ACORN. That could be the only possible card up his sleeve, but defrauding the FEC is a violation that would wind him up in jail.

Sweetie: "Remember this: Change is no always change for the better."

It can't get any worse than this. Staying the McCourse clearly isn't getting us out of this mess.

Sweetie still doesn't get it. You do know what the approval rating for Congress is, do you? It's abysmally low.
It's even lower for the Senate.
And it's even lower for the Republicans in that Senate.

Now do a cross-tab: Obama is the ‘most liberal’ of the Senate; Obama is the Pres. candidate who is solidly ahead in the national polls but more importantly, in the electoral college.

And you know why that is? Because the country wants a far more liberal Congress.

So when you try to scare people with that silly "he's the most liberal senator", people actually think: "thank you, than that's the one I want".

CW, great post. You've captured the mood of the country perfectly.

Isn't the VP pick supposed to balance out the ticket? It's quite logical and honest to state the Maobama bin Biden is a SOCIALIST ticket, and here's why:

Obama is THE MOST liberal member of the U. S. Senate. He is more liberal than 94% of the Senate on economic issues; 94% of the Senate on social issues; and 92% of the Senate on foreign issues. His composite "Liberal" score is 95.5%.

Biden is the 3RD MOST liberal member of the U. S. Senate. He is more liberal than 94% of the Senate on economic issues; 88% of the Senate on social issues; and 94% of the Senate on foreign issues. His composite "Liberal" score is 94.2%.

Both Obama and Biden are further to the left than Bernie Sanders, who comes in fourth. He is more liberal than 90% of the Senate on economic issues; 88% of the Senate on social issues; and 98% of the Senate on foreign issues. His composite "Liberal" score is 93.7% -- and Bernie Sanders identifies himself as a Socialist.

Source: National Journal 2007 Vote Ratings

RNC motto right now is, "wait 'til safely nominated"

Sweetie, scared much? So you trot out all those old scare tactics from the 80s?

They're soooooo old. You'll have to find a new one. These ones aren't working.

The only way McCain will even have a shot at the Presidency is when he picks Hillary as his running mate.

Even McCain says that Hillary spoke the Truth. He should pick Hillary, otherwise his words will come back to hurt him when the Dems will air the other truths she had said during the primaries and for the rest of the campaign.

It would be great line for Hillary: "Even McCain thinks I'm telling you the truth. Well, this is what I'm telling you: McCain will be a disaster for America"

I gotta hand it to Maobama for tapping into the left side of the bellcurve voters. They care nothing about substance and vote like Chris Matthrews from the tingle below the belt. I read one of them to ask "What's wrong with COMMUNISM?"--well I can't blame them for not knowing world history because Obama doesn't even know how many states there are. The Golden Idiot was praising China's economic structure a few days ago--yes, it's amazing what a few million slave laborers can do for that infrastructure Obama! One billion dead from the square wheel failed experiment and they wish to keep reinventing it...if his supporters want a socialist/communist government so much, why don't they just move to Venezuela or China?

I sense a lot of rage under the mccainiacs. What's up?

Mad that Zogby has Obama up by 3 points again? After they had McCain up by 5 points just this week?

Obama sure went out of his way to alienate Clinton supporters by never vetting Clinton even out of respect and by releasing the veep text at 3 AM, wow what a slap in the face. Even if she gives lukewarm support, to her supporters he just dangled raw meat!!

"Biden will chew up McCain and spit him out ... "
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If Biden runs true to form, though, the very NEXT day he'll be back to claim he was misquoted or taken out of context, and gobble it all up again.

And if the Democratic delegates go for an Obama-Biden ticket, at least one of them is likely to have thrown the other off and/or under the electoral bus within two weeks (that'll be September the ... 11th, so mark yer calendars and place yer bets.)

Who ever said that the Pres. and VP should be clones of each other? I think some spice in the soup is in order.

As for attacks, just wait - Biden will chew up McCain and spit him out before McCain has time to form a thought.

"what other options do women have now if faced with an unwanted pregnancy."

The same as ever: abort, or don't.

A great deal may depend on which player in the zygote-producing drama finds a pregnancy "unwanted" -- a number of sad old ballads ("Banks of the Ohio" comes to mind) feature murder-by-dagger of prospective mommies by unwilling daddies.

Free medical abortion would do quite a bit to keep the riverbanks uncluttered with dead women.

if McCain picks Romey the big difference is Romney got millions of votes and won delegates. Biden is a loser and quitter.

Let's pray for rain on Thursday night
in Denver...I'm dying to see Ohbama
walk on water.

Debra, do you really believe the Fundies are going to vote for an Episcopalian and a Mormon?

I forget, how many houses do John and Cindy own? Maybe someone should ask McCain how many children he has. I would love to hear the answer on that one - or maybe he'sll just make it up - the way Cindy did with her fantasy about herself and Mother Teresa. What kind of a woman would LIE about Mother Teresa? Jeez. My mother must be rolling in her grave. If there was anything she hated worse than liars it was trash with money.

Debra, what Wendy said is correct. There were many harsh words and debates between Romney and McCain. The dems will have a field day with it.

WENDY......ROMNEY NEVER SAID McCAIN ISN'T READY TO LEAD ON DAY ONE.....BUT HILLARY AND BIDEN HAVE BOTH SAID IN DIFFERENT WORDS......NOBAMA DOESN'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES.
POOR JUDGEMENT.....SO LACKING
McCain/Romney or anyone just NEVER BARACK HUSSEIN

Shame on McCain for this silly ad using Hillary Clinton's words to put down Obama. So what???? .... Anyone could make a similar ad using Mitt Romney's words against McCain. ... But we, the voters, deserve better than this kind of b.s. ............ This is boring, old-style U.S. politics. We can do better than this. OBAMA/BIDEN '08

eyes wide open -------- Thanks and its nice to atleast respectfully agree that we disagree and that you seem sincere and honest about wanting what is best also and not switching sides for other reasons. You are a great American and with voters like you we have a chance no matter who sits in the White House. Good luck and have a great life. Thanks
Carl

All this drama is great... it gets people hooked into the convention.

It will expand viewership considerably. Plus, it will give the Clintons a great chance to boost Obama while calling McCain out on his sleazy opportunism and disingenuous concern for Hillary supporters.

The more McCain can flap his jaws... the better. Who knows... maybe his teeth will fall out on national TV!

eddie m---------------- Good post. I too can not look at the past eight years without being depressed. Your right. Go to Obama's web sight and read about what he stands for. Weigh that against a canidate that supports 95 percent of Bush policies. The decision should be easy!

CW

I have NEVER voted Republican in my life; interesting that we are both switching with this election.

I appreciate your sharing your reasons; at least you seem to have thought them through and come to a conclusion which satisfies you.

I'm from Illinois... actually I'm a displaced New Yorker but have lived here longer than I did there...

I see lingering messes from Obama's state senatorship and, although I too fell for the sound of his voice for a while, I lost it's affect when he let his bloggers use the "race" card, and smear Hillary way too many times!

Anyway, I don't think either of us has a terrific choice this year.... but I applaud your right to vote for whichever candidate you choose!

Thank G-d for the United States!

EyesWide: Don't you know that the candidate doesn't speak for the McCain campaign?

eyes wide open ------ Why am I voting for Obama. Im 50 now and a working class white male. I voted for Bush twice.I sometimes have to burn my hand twice before I learn not to do the same thing again. Well McCain would be doing the same thing again. Now as to your comments. True or not, if one looks hard enough at anybody they can find things about that person that one may not agree with and find fault. Niether McCain or Obama are perfect I assure you and God is not running.
I am voting for Obama because I am tired of the insanity of expecting a different outcome doing the same thing over and over. Obama-Unknown mostly- Came up and beat one of the most well known most powerful political names in the world. He managed his finances fantastic and continues to do so. He has shown that he is a great manager and thats what this country needs. We dont need the same as we have had for 8 years. Yes he is a gamble but not as big a gamble as McCain. When I see him talk like at the church the other night. I see and hear a sincere honest man answering questions the best he can. From his heart and mind. Some make fun of him for that. When he said above my pay grade. He was humble enough as to say Im not God and thats what he meant. Thats honest. McCain gives one-two word answers and and they sounded rehearsed and told us nothing about McCain the man himself. I feel this country needs a uplift facelift. Sometimes you have to get rid of the old and bring in a whole new way and fresh face with fresh ideas to get things going in a positive direction. Obama did things in his youth I do not agree with. But who am I to judge. I was a hard core racist while growing up.
When Obama addressed racisim in this country, I saw hin again as sincere and honest and he approached head on what so many have avoided. He has said he cant do it alone and has said he needs help from all of us. Thats honest. If we think any one man can fix this country,we are dreaming. It will take all of us to bring this country around.
McCain and his conceated "I know everything" type attitude scares me. Obama has proven he is good with finances, business management, is sincere and cares about Americas tomorrow. Im not a scolar nor no all facts about everybody but I like what I see and hear and Im a pretty good judge of people because of some experiances in life I wont go in to. Obama is certainly better on the economy. Obama met with a whole group of economic winners and experts for advice on putting together a economic package while McCain just acted like he knows best even though he admits to knowing nothing about the economy. Obama- being young and new- will ask for help and advice which any one man should do before making decisions that will affect billions of people. Thats not weak. Thats smart. If we had a President that would have done that more often we probably would not be fighting 2 wars and sending all our jobs overseas. That just some of the reasons I am voting for him. You asked.

dl:

your list is outdated!

Gramm is GONE, remember:

McCain said,"Gramm doesn't speak for McCain!
McCAIN speaks for McCain!"

As for the rest of the list?????

eyes wide open

if for nothing else he is not McCain, Charlie Black, Randy Scheunneman, Gramm

these are the guys who are his leadership team

Randy Scheunneman ran the comm for lIberation of Iraq...picked specifically by Cheney and Bush to head up this lobbyist PR group to sell the war (that is not made up go look at the military contracts that came out of that committee)...he is now McCain's lead foreign policy advisor

Charlie Black...one of the biggest lobbyists in the business and attached to a lot fo yucky clients.

and grammm (Mccain's economy guru who literally wrote his economic platform)...okay ...enron loop hole...banking deregulation...and his list is bad...what he pushed through congress...

these are the same guys who DID bering us the last 8 years and now they run McCain's campaign.

cw:

Yeah! Obama did a great job in Illinois!

The low rent housing development begun under his senatorship almost nine years ago.. still has not been completed.

And as for other accomplishments, there were none until his final year whe Emil Jones decided to make him a REAL senator and plied him with tons of legislation founded and plodded over by other senators.. to pass as his own!

Of course, he DID make time to take a couple of earmarks in his behalf... like the one to Michelle's boss, which translated into a hefty pay raise for her. and the $15,000,000 earmark to Obama's erswhile church..... which, curiously, amounts to just about the same amount give Jeremiah for his retirement package (pay-off?) and retirement multi-million dollar home....

And.. oh yeah, Obama DID find a way to take Rezko's "heating funds" which he had "ear marked" for the denizens of his broken down tenements!

Obama is nothing more than a charlatan with the voice of a preacher man....

There is nothing he has done which warrants his becoming to President of this country.

Even the books upon which many you have been swayed to vote for him are nothing more than the hype... with a capital "H" of two semi-autobiographical well penned novels!

Words...... just words!

So you are going to vote for him WHY???

and gl

I am an Obama supporter from early on...(Hillary at first but I volunteered for both of them...and Biden after I saw ALL the candidates speak then as time went on I settled on barack after hearing them all NUMEROUS times)...

what we need now is to not shoot the issues in the head...

Hillary WOULD have a chance to run again...but she can not be blamed (right or wrong)

and that is what I am trying to tell people.

and yes...I think she could have a good shot...especially if she had a significant role.

: Belle Starr - Get you fact straight the Repbul are one fo the biggest coruption and history!

dl --------- Not sure how we got crossed but I am on your page and agree. She would make a great cabinet member and can be in a great position to do great good. But only if Obama is elected. Then in 2012 we will see what happens. If the Clinton supporters jump tp McCain, then she wont be in a position to do hardly any good. I think we are thinking the same way?

gl

Hillary has a chance to run in 2016...that's what I meant to say.

but it is all how her supporters play this out.

That IS NOT a THREAT it is reality.

and we are about to waste a woman who could accomplish so much for this country...all because a few self-centered individuals put their own righteous anger ahead of the people and issues that this election is about.

Biden's not going to run in 2016...and maybe then it will be Hillary's time (personally I think she needs to get away from Bill for a number of reasons)

and in the interim if she was on the cabinet or in the senate..

btu if people can't see the toll that all these comments supposedly for her are taking ON HER...

you all need to turn on your televisions.

CW

I hate illogically emotional angry statements that have absolutely left the world of reality...

I threatened nothing...and you get all freakin emotional.

You are hurting Hillary's numbers in NY.

Period...that is not a threat. IT's the truth.

I don't mean to insult anyone...but

God when are people going to get a mature bone in their body and realize this is all about emotional spite and self centered anger...like a child.

Cut your noses off to spite your faces.

It's both sad and ridiculous at the same time.

dl - Hillliary is done and their will be no hilliary in 2012 blacks will not vote for her simple as that. Her base support was suppose to be white females and she lose becasue she needs more then just white females to win any race. If she couldn't pull it off in 2008 and dam sure will not be able to do it in 2012. It won't happen!

Its amazing that EVERYONE seems to forget that the economy has tanked, oil prices skyrocketed, the housing crisis ALL HAPPENED DURING A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!!!!!!! Remember when the mortgage industry and housing was just OFF THE CHARTS for the first time in history, gas prices were relatively steady, and the economy was robust...guess what folks...a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND PRESIDENT were at the helm...with regards to the war, geez...anyone have ANY history lessons that they have learned??? War is UGLY. No one said anything when we went into WWII for years and over 50,000 people died. That was an act of terrorism! I am a military wife and people, let me tell you...REGARDLESS of what you think, when you badmouth the war, president, congress etc., you are demeaning our brave men and women who VOLUNTEER to defend the good people of the United States.

John McCain is NOT Jack Nicholson.

I know Hillary, as a loyal Dem, would never run as a third-party candidate, but I can dream, can't I?

CW - How come 9 out of 10 of Clinton supporters that are now going to McCain are woman? Yet they say its not about gender. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it must be a duck

I was thinking the same thing. Most of the still angry Clintong supporters are whining women that are willing to cut of their nose to spice their face.

cw

it's not a threat...go look at her numbers.

I am not threatening... this ad and voices like yours are hurting her.

Voices threatening to vote for McCain because they did not get what they want.

(and that is the true threat on this blog not what i wrote)

I wrote facts...the fact is Hillary did not win by a large enough margin in NY to keep her seat if she gets even partly blamed...

I don't live in NY so I have nothing to do with it.

I am calling for morons who don't see that to realize that.

Threats of voting for mcCain ...against what hillary fought for...the issues you all supposedly believed in... leave a bad taste in the mouths of everyone else.

Not me...not me threatening...go look at numbers...for freakin once.

If she loses 20% of her support in NY (which if she looks partly to blame for obama's loss right or wrong)

she loses.

duh.

I am asking people to wake up.

and not be emotional and imagine threats ...or interpret threats out of illogical emotion so that Hillary will be able to run in 2012...and maybe then it will be her time when she gets further away from Bill and the legacy of Mark penn.

my dream is that she will be Secretary of State because this team would be unbeleivable for our country.

but please ...don't accuse me of threats I didn't make... don't get all emotional and verbally shoot the messenger...

that may be why people got a bad feeling about the campaign...logic first...not emotion.

How come 9 out of 10 of Clinton supporters that are now going to McCain are woman? Yet they say its not about gender. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it must be a duck.

cw:

Speaking of "flock of sheep".....
;-)

That's not at ALL clear. The economy has fallen apart for many, for some of whom life will NOT go on for another four years -- if only because of lack of nutrition and meaningful health care.

There are a million people HOMELESS in the STREETS of this supposedly-wunnerful country, hundreds of thousands of displaced vets who are a danger to themselves and/or others, cities full of the unmentioned underclasses. There are bank robberies going on in perfectly "peaceful" small towns, people shot down by the dozens in Chicago almost every day, restaurant invasion robberies in Oakland every single night.

It'll blow sooner or later. Hopefully it'll blow on the candidates, of both parties, who can barely mention the "middle class", let alone the poor, because they are so corrupted and distracted by the endless privilege of politicians.
Posted by: Belle Starr--------- Very good point and I agree. Thats why Obama has my vote. Hes not perfect but he is the best chance we have. McCain would just be continuing our current road to destruction.

dl>

If Clinton is truly releasing her delegates then that's all the more reason for many of us to vote for McCain this time...

Eespecialy since you in particular.. and other Obama supporters... have promised that should Obama not win.... there would be repercussions on Clinton's political future!

I, for one, HATE threats.. and usually respond negatively to them!---------Then go vote for McCain. That will show everybody!! If Clinton's future is damaged it isnt by her hand but by yours and the few like you. I will say, that the republican party deserves people like you that vote on emotions. Since thats how they campaine. On fear and negitivity, you will be welcome to their floc of sheep. You talk about threats. You and the few Clinton supporters that are and have been threatening this and that if Hillary doesnt win are the only ones threatening. Well go vote for McSame. Who cares. I dont. Tired of hearing your crying.

It's been a well known thing that Hillary has been known as divisive, and now I see why. If she runs in 2012 I'm not sure she will be able to win because of all the drama surrounding her now. There will be millions of people who will vote against her to spit all of these Hillary supporters who plan to vote against Obama for McCain.

"Life will go on either way and in four years we can do it all over again."
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That's not at ALL clear. The economy has fallen apart for many, for some of whom life will NOT go on for another four years -- if only because of lack of nutrition and meaningful health care.

There are a million people HOMELESS in the STREETS of this supposedly-wunnerful country, hundreds of thousands of displaced vets who are a danger to themselves and/or others, cities full of the unmentioned underclasses. There are bank robberies going on in perfectly "peaceful" small towns, people shot down by the dozens in Chicago almost every day, restaurant invasion robberies in Oakland every single night.

It'll blow sooner or later. Hopefully it'll blow on the candidates, of both parties, who can barely mention the "middle class", let alone the poor, because they are so corrupted and distracted by the endless privilege of politicians.

" So tell me, why are Hillary supporters so upset that Obama didn't chose her as vp when she voted for the war. You guys can't have it both ways."

Posted by: erin | Aug 24, 2008 6:06:48 PM
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Biden voted for the war, too.
Hillary's state was bombed on 9/11!
The majority of our GOVERNMENT voted for the war... based on the input they were given and the bombings they had just experienced.

If B O had been given this information, and were empowered to vote at that time, he might have even have voted for it... or at least he might have voted "present".

As for being disappointed about Hillary not being his VP and having to clean up after him.... I'm not in the least disappointed..

I'm ecstataic for her..... because one way or another, Obama is going to tank.

Just DO NOT THREATEN Hillary's future just because he does!

cj

do you hear what Mccain is promising...
and what he has NO PLANS for.

and that his policies are being built by the guys who built the GW Bush administration that you think Obama sounds so much like ...oy.

Read Obama's platforms. They are not 30 second soundbites...

cindy what about his policies. Do you feel we are better off now than we were 8 years ago. Do you think the economy is good. You're voting out of emotion.

eyes wide open

it's not a threat...it's reality...

and part of the reason she is releasing her delegates I am sure.

Go look at her numbers, the facts that your comments are what has hurt Hillary and all the issues she has fought for...

I plead for you to wake up. Hillary needs to be in the Senate and or sec of state or so many things she can do...

and PUMA and their emotional clouding is hurting women... is hurting healthcare...our soldiers...our environment...education...the middle class...

all because a few people can't get by that they did not get what they want.

go vote for Mccain... and be proud of it now...because down the road...don't think you'll be so proud.

"I cannot stand Obama. I don't trust him at all. And I am totally disgusted with Dean and Pelosi too."
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It'd be great if the Secret Service, or whoever has the power to do so, would pull a drug test on Obama AND Pelosi.

As for Dr. Dean -- who should be president right this minute, except for the smarmy sabotage of John Kerry and the "media" -- his participation in this crap is a mystery, but one which may eventually be revealed ...

With all my heart I wish that I could vote for Obama with a clear mind. He simply is not the most qualified candidate. I am disturbed by how much he sounds like George Bush in 2000. I just can not find or see the substance. Our country is in deep trouble. Neither Obama or McCain seem like the answer. God Bless America

Well I am sure we all want what is best for the US and Im sure we all have sone different ideas on who can fix this mess.
The good news, and it may be close, is Obama/Biden will be elected and we may have a brighter future. If not then we will get what we deserve. Life will go on either way and in four years we can do it all over again. I hope and pray that whoever is elected, its the right decision. Obama 08

the best side of America will be voting for Obama and Biden in November.

The bad guys (black scheunneman, rove, gramm,etc)

...gotta go.

and this whole new thing with Cheney and the oil companies involved in this Alaska fiasco...

you know the same people trying to fool America into the oil companies platform...the same one that Mccain is pushing.

"May I remind you 18mil also voted for Obama."
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Most of those "voted for" a corporate construction, based on lies, advertisements, and mass rallies.

Too many people are on the trail of the tale, now: if WERE to manage, by chicanery or whatever, to get "elected", he might well bomb out in four weeks, or possibly months -- based on his past performance, it sure wouldn't take four years.

I can only tell you why I will not vote for Obama. I am a Hillary supporter that has voted for Democrats my whole life.

My first concern about Obama way back in the primaries was his arrogance. It was tolerable but I didn't like it especially since we already had to deal with an arrogant president for 8 years.

Then the Rev Wright story broke and all of Obama's lame excuses made me not trust his judgement.

And then one story after another about Obama proved to be true.
The self-serving Berlin speech, the opposum seal and the final straw was that flippant, insensitive comment about a baby's rights--it's above my pay grade".

I cannot stand Obama. I don't trust him at all. And I am totally disgusted with Dean and Pelosi too.
I consider myself an independent now.

That's why I am voting for McCain.

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If Clinton is truly releasing her delegates then that's all the more reason for many of us to vote for McCain this time...

Eespecialy since you in particular.. and other Obama supporters... have promised that should Obama not win.... there would be repercussions on Clinton's political future!

I, for one, HATE threats.. and usually respond negatively to them!

Oh: is THAT what all that passport skullduggery was about, a while back?

Meanwhile, there's a suit in federal court in Philadelphia, from former Pennsylvania Attorney General Philip Berg, challenging the constitutionality of Obama's candidacy based on his having been born outside the US.

Most coverage of this item of obvious Democratic interest, however, is in RIGHT-wing sources, so far. (If the "Democrats" do more to chill commentary, hide information, and publicize outright lies, and the "right" does more to facilitate open communication, why should ANYbody vote "Democratic"?)

Debra you think continuing the Bush economy is the best thing for our country and that's why your voting for McCain. Wow!