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Don't worry, Clinton supporters: You'll get another chance to put Hillary in the White House four years from now.

I think once they agree to seat MI and FL Hillary should request to be nominated at the convention based on the fact that Obama has flipped on every major issue. Unless Hillary is on the ticket somehow this fall I am voting for McCain.

Audacity. The guy is unbelievable. It's amazing how after a bit of time passes and he quietly (was it a big story on the national news? or did his letter just leak out?) changes his stance on something like this - "for the good of the party" - and people are going to go along with it and forget how adamantly his people argued against it when it might have helped Hillary's chances. "How big of him." "How sensible." "Wouldn't want to disenfranchise voters in such important states."

I think the voters of Michigan and Florida are being played here. Where was his concern for "party unity" throughout the Spring? or on May 31st at the RBC meeting? or when he took his name off the ballot in Michigan to begin with?

Are the delegates aware of this power play? Are they all under his spell too?

I am so sick of him, but nothing he does surprises me any more. He is a slick operator.

Obama will bring a huge lose to the Democratic Party in election 08

Clinton Supporter 50 Year BF:
I'm writing in Sen. Clinton's name on my Ballot. My Daddy told me to watch People that talk too much. Obama you better call my Girl see if she can throw you a life line. Been Dem all my life if no Hillary voting for McCain at least he is honest about who he is. When I like a Republican better than a Black Dem That's saying alot. My 19 year old Son loves Hillary he says she is stronge and smart just like his Moma. You idiots at Dem Headquarters you picked the Weaker Candidate you Dummies did not notice the GOP was afraid of Hillary? FL Mi do not fall for it. Like a dull Knife just ain't cutting it talking Loud and saying nothing. Sen Obama didn't visit the Troops cause you could not get TV coverage. Boo My Family all Dems retired Military they mad at me for not Voting for Obama. I don't care what my Mother ordered me to do!

What happened to Obama's Supporters? Not very many on this thread - maybe, even for them, this is too much.

After all, how do you defend the indefensible?

Obama is lower than a snake. PUMA!

Beckie

No doubt, hubris will rule the day in the Obama camp and thus spilling over to the convention... if you watched Tonights "race for the white house" Buchanan said and gene robinson agreed that Obama played right into Mccains ads about britney etc last week... he said it was in bad taste but it did its job of infuriating these left wing fringe that think they finally have a front row seat at the dem convention...

Sallie, sweetie, hate to disillusion you but we are not Republicans posing as Democrats! If you want to comfort yourself by telling yourself that 90% of Hillary's supporters will vote for Obama, go right ahead! Your guy lost most of the primaries AFTER he claimed he won and she should drop out! Don't forget - we are bitter, clinging to our guns and religion!

BTW, didn't your guy say that Repubs were whispering in his ear - Hey, man, I am a Repub and I am voting for you! Lol! Thought he had that base sewn up as well.

All you Republicans posing as Democrats posting here: 90% of Hillary's supporters are now voting for Obama, the other 10% are the "normal" number (based on past elections) who vote for the other party for one reason or another. The Obama presidency will be a change for the better, and the Clintons support Obama all the way.

Time - What 2 wars do we have going on, last time i check we were in a single war on multiple fronts against terrorists!

If they are seated does that not mean Hilary won!! since she suspended her campaign not pull out!

Obama was adament that they not count now he is flopping!!

He has turned the voters of Florida and Michagan into puppets, when they counted he did not want them to count but now that probably Hilary said she would not compete he wants to count them

since he's our nominee
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He is NOT the nominee. The Democratic delegates can still fix this: buck the laughable "leadership", nominate John Edwards, and get on with it. There's a depression on, and winter's coming.

Anybody who witnessed John Kerry and Joe Lieberman on "Meet the Press" yesterday may well despair of the Democratic "leadership".

This is really sad. I've been writing on these blogs since february about my support for Hillary and how I did not trust Barack. I am sorry to say that I have been more right than ever (I was wishing he was better than this, quite frankly, since he's our nominee). There is no justice anymore in the world. Only the slickest will get to the top. I am not going to vote in this election with Barry on the ballot.

In 2008 the Democrates are going to lose a Presidental election that was handed to them. The economy is tanking, we have 2 wars going on that we can't afford, the current President has the lowest approval rating ever, and the Republican candidate is less than stimulating. In 2000 the lost the election with the best economy and no wars. The Gallop pole says McCain and Obama are tied, But the in California Obama is up by 20%, so that means he is losing in the rest of the country. Time for the dems to reevalute their candidate.

Hmm...so Obama managed to beat Clinton based on his position on the war (which he changed post-primary) and his position on health care (which he changed post-primary). He was also able to beat her because there was no hype or credibility for the Michigan and Florida delegates. And let's not forget playing the race card against Bill Clinton himself. If Clinton had won the MI and FL delegates, she would have won the primary. The superdelegates wouldn't have changed their loyalty. There would have been a bigger hype for her wins and she wouldn't have looked like a whiner for trying to make them count. Not only that...but shouldn't she win by default now that Obama has changed his position to match hers? Oh wait...she also won the popular vote. Why don't we give her the nomination?

Obama bills himself as the candidate of change we can believe in. The only thing I believe about him is that his arrogance and lust for power is nothing like we've ever seen before. He agreed in May to seat half the delegates for MI and FL in order to eliminate Hillary from the race. Now that he's the man of the hour, he thinks he deserves all the delegate votes.

If the democratic party thinks this man will win the presidential election, they're all as stupid as door nails. His attitude and shenanagins are driving people away.

stock-craft, good point. Hillary could still get the nomination, but she has not filed the papers to the DNC since her opponent had the most delegate. I would be elated to see the DNC come to its senses and nominate her. If she is not the nominee, based on all the new information since the primaries we now know about Obama, I'm more likely to vote GOP this year. McCain is looking better every day!

What a shame for Democrat Party to nominee a candidate who flips and flops all the time for his own advantage? I will not vote for him even with Hillary Clinton as VP on the ticket. Stay way Hillary and come back in 2012.

What a shame for Democrat Party to nominee a candidate who flips and flops all the time for his own advantage?

Obama blocked the re-votes in those two states because he knew Hillary would win.
Now Obama wants to steal the votes he would not allow Hillary to have.
If the 2 states would have been re-voted Hillary would have won the nomination.

Hillary in 2008 and/or 2012

What a little man!!! He fought tooth and nail to keep them out of the primaries bacause if they were counted Hillary would win. Now he needs those two states and he suddenly realizes their votes do count!!! Give me a break, if you pump all the BS out of Barack Obama you could bury the rest of him in a match box.

This is not a good move for Obama. Is it him or the DNC insiders that think that alienating two key swing States (once again) and reigniting the anger held by many Clinton supporters will win votes this fall? Is it arrogance, inexperience, or sheer stupidity? Not a very smart move at this stage in the election.

When BO won, I reluctantly said I'd support him, even though I was a Hillary supporter. I thought he was still, the lesser of two evils. Now, I have changed my mind. This guy is clearly pathological, and the flip flops are getting out of hand. Not sure what I will do in November, but BO is not getting my vote. Count me in the PUMA ranks. Gotta stay true to myself. The democrats really mucked this up good.

Flip Flop... he can't be trusted.
Democrats for McCain

Obama makes me sick. Just give him a star at Graumans CHinese theater and be done with it.

Good Morning to all.

I am happy to reaffirm my position either Hillary or McCain but no Obama. I will never flip flop.

Posted by: markymark | Aug 4, 2008 5:49:29 AM

bho and his dnc,pelosi, reid, kerry, kennedy supporters have torn this party apart! there will be no unity. denver may look like a love fest, but only because the PUMA are not there.
hillary must not cut-off-her-nose-to-spite-her-fsce, so she must support bho to stay viable in the party.
were it mine to choose, i would love her to run as a third party(fifth party) candidate! i have no doubt she would do really, really well. now she could win back the reagan dems!

Pretty good political spin from the post-politics candidate.

And last week his campaign admittedly used the race card... so much for the post-racial candidate.

What's left is just your typical politician, except he has no record - though his handlers can point to just how "purdy" he speaks.

Isn't that special.

This really isn't any surprise, and is entirely justifiable.

When the nomination was still up for grabs, it was entirely wrong for two states that had broken the rules of the DNC to have such an important part in the process. [Especially I mihgt add with prominent members of the Clinton campaign happy to arguie a clearly biassed position in front of the committee they are members of and then vote for there candidate (yes I am talking about you Mr Ickes, your head should be firmly bowed in shame!)

Now though, the primary process is over and there is a clear, though narrow, winner. The party needs to come together, so lets help it come together.

This man sickens me. If he really felt this way he should have said it when it counted. Not now.

Been a democrat all my life but I will NOT vote for this man. Never in a month of Sundays....

I'm not crazy aabout Obama either with all his position shifts.

But anyone who has bothered to check his voting record in recent years knows McCain is neither a maverick nor a centrist.

ok gang heres the bottom line
BO and his band want to look like he is creating Unity by bringing these states into full vote fruition (now that there has been enough time to pass when these votes would have mattered and vitually tied the primary race for HRC and BO)... and it theoretically is brilliant because now he can go either way and say - 1. we did this for Unity of the Party (not pick HRC as veep) but talk sideways out of his mouth and say he is trying to provide a bridge to bring the clinton 18 million along... OR... 2. we did this for Unity of the Party (realising that he is virtually dead even in the polls with MCain select the only way he can win for sure and bring Hillary as veep and say 'this shows all along he was going to pick her' and get her 18 million votes

wow he is truly genius ... let me just say this for sure as an independent voter (voted for Reagan - Reagan - Perot - Clinton - Gore - Kerry) there is only ONE candidate I will vote for this year and I am calling on all independants as well as dems and reps to write in HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON if her name is not on the ballot. that is a decision already made on this end... I am sure many will be doing the same. if this means that the dems lose because of Unity then having a Maverick like McCain will be just fine by me (anyone who knows McCain's history knows that he is not truly GOP and many dems will be fine with him for President because he is a true independant running on only one of possible two tickets.

write in HRC

I have supported Obama over Hillary, and I consider this to be a cheesy move. If it was invalid to seat them a few months ago, and it was, why is it valid now to seat them?

I'm rapidly moving away from Obama becasue he is shifting position on issues on a daily basis.

If Obama thinks that this cheap stunt is going to result in somehow gaining favor with Hillary supporters, he better think again. This just galvanizes my vote against him.

Where was this "fairness" on counting ALL the votes when it mattered? Typical Obama, say one thing when the timing helps him and then reverse himself after he has already benefited. Can you say FISA, leaving Iraq, offshore drilling and now this?

PUMA!!!

Good night all!

To Dan Rains:

You have made our point.

Most Americans are not ashamed of the US. You fall into a very strong voting block for Obama.

The real test will come this fall. It's predicted that Obama will win.

We will see!

Good night.

Shadow -

As to your comment:

"Do you not see that the rest of the world (more or less) likes him as he shares the same values and principals as they do?"

Okay, I'll answer, but this is the last time because I have to work.

Anyway, yes, I do realize that Europeans appear to like Obama, and yes, it's probably because he shares their principles and values.

Only, I don't think that's a bad thing because I share some of those same principles and values, many of them espoused by the Democratic Party, of which I am a member. Now I'm not saying I have all their values or principles. America is a unique country in terms of its political history and our system of checks and balances will always weigh upon my mind against those European values which do conflict with this.

As to your comment:

"He doesn't respect the American values, and our way of life. They have NEVER been proud to be Americans throughout their lives"

An undecided would have to ask themselves what "American values" and "our way of life" are to see things your way. Now I believe that these two things "values" and "way of life" are open to much evaluation and debate, so for me it's hard to use that as a measuring stick. I don't question Obama's patriotism, nor do I question McCains, so this is a non-issue for me. An undecided may have a different take on this.

As for whether or not Obama is "proud" to be an American, again, I don't question his pride, nor that of Michelle. And nor do I question McCain's. I think most undecideds don't take this argument seriously.

But if one were to believe that the Obamas are not proud to be American, I can see why. I for one was not proud and am not proud of what we have done in Iraq (hear me out, please) and so, on the issue of the war in Iraq, yes, I am ashamed to be an American. But being ashamed does not mean that I don't love my country. It just means I have a disagreement with what we did there.

An undecided who shares my disagreement might be inclined to vote for Obama in spite of the "pride" issue.

Many thanks,

Cheers!

Response to Dan Rains:

You are correct that McCain is not as exciting, but what is emerging (and is not being reported) are very different groups (McCain and Hillary supporters) coalescing to oppose Obama. Obama's arrogance and hubris is causing a huge backlash that is growing!

Obama is the media darling and gets 75% more coverage than John McCain. What I find fascinating because the media is "in love" with Obama that they are missing significant stories. Jake Tapper is an exception -- he is an excellent reporter. He is concerned with the truth and is fair.

During the last elections, all the exit polls had Kerry winning. When Bush won Ohio the main stream media was shocked!
The reality is that no matter what the media wishes this country is moderate to conservative. Bill Clinton ran as a moderate. Carter, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry were all liberals and Obama is the most liberal member of Congress with no record of leadership.

When I talk of the working class, I mean average Americans that can not wrap their brains around why someone would stay in Rev Wright's church for 20 years or why parents don't give out Christmas presents (the Obama's admitted in a People Mag interview) or why you would replace the American flag with a manufactured O campaign symbol or that if you dare to question Obama's qualifications you are a racist.

By historical standards, Obama should be up by 10 - 15 points and he is not. For whatever reasons, Obama has not closed the deal with this group.

Dan,
Do you not see that the rest of the world (more or less) likes him as he shares the same values and principals as they do? He doesn't respect the American values, and our way of life. They have NEVER been proud to be Americans through out their lives, until they think he is all that and more!NOBAMA now or ever!

Okay friends, sorry I have to leave the post, but sleep calls. This has been cool, I really enjoy reading the posts. May your candidate win, whichever one that is, and health and prosperity to all of us who watch from the sidelines!

Cheers!

P.S. Did I mention I was voting for Obama?

Ciao!

Michelle -

As to your comment:

"There is a huge working class vote that is not buying what you are selling even though the media is so obvious for you."

I would like to understand what you mean by the "working class vote." Because that is an interesting point. If you mean blue collar workers (painters, construction, auto-workers, etc.) then I think an undecided in this group might vote their pocket book in the hopes that expanded government programs would result in more work for them in this recession economy. Democrats are behind this general concept and have promised these programs. It would help, then, to have a President who would support the blue collar voters. So I think they may want to choose Obama for this reason.

If by "working class voters" you mean white collar workers such as most Americans (tellers, grocery store workers, office managers, well - just about most of us!) then I believe an undecided would evaluate where they are in this recession economy and consider Obama for the same reason.

You are correct about the media, but media also has strong interests in telecommunications fields and have to consider what impact an Obama Presidency and Democratic congress would have on freedom of speech and access to the public in those business areas. But ultimately they are about making money, and they are going to play the candidate that people will watch.

With no disrespect to Mr. McCain, more people are interested in Obama, even if he is puffery, etc. McCain has not been able to excite people the way Obama has.

But again, I don't think an undecided would be concerned about this when casting his/her vote. Those people are going to go to the websites of the candidates, research their positions, and vote for the one that they believe stands for what they believe in on certain issues.

I will be voting for Obama because he espouses the ideals of the Democratic party.

I'm happy to see him being received so warmly by the rest of the world (not all, of course) and I think it is important for America to re-kindle it's friendship with Europe. It looks like people like him, yes, but like all Presidents he will make enemies.

Cheers!

What a shameless empty suit he is. Now that he has been annointed by Dean, Donna, Don and the rest of the Back Room Dems, he is so graciously allowing MI and FL to be seated. Too bad Hillary won't say "Hell no I won't go" and mount a campaign at the convention. I predict she would win! As Obama has flipped on all his positions, I am sure delegates are thinking here we go again another loser and WHO IS HE AND WHAT DOES HE BELEIVE IN??

People are starting to realize how pathological this man is...he really believes the hype! More than egomania, it's narcissism that would be dangerous in the Oval Office. We've seen what that can do!

It's encouraging that people are beginning to take a look for themselves at the actions that hide behind Obama's rhetoric.

If he can't even release an honest birth certificate, and if he can't give workable specific solutions, and if he can't even get anything done as a Senator, how does he expect us to trust him to be President?!?

Actually if all the popular votes had been counted at the end of the primaries, Senator Clinton had 500,000 more votes than Obama. Go and check it out. It was the corrupted caucuses that gave delegates to Obama.

McCain's Britney ad was dead on. He doesn't stand for anything. I too was a supporter early on because he was "saying" all the right things. But that was before...Rev Wright, "bitter" bigoted white working class, no flag pin now flag pin, for NAFTA now against NAFTA, for FISA now against FISA, against drilling now for drilling, for public financing of elections now against, I am the symbol of the new America. Yeeeks he is something out of a Mel Brooks movie, but this clown could be president!!

CLINTON OR MCCAIN -- NO TO OBAMA!!!

Shadow -

Thank you for reading my post.

As to your question: "Do you believe in momentum?"

Yes, I think it is a valid argument you are making that the momentum may have changed the outcome if the delegates earned by Hillary had been seated in June.

As to your statement:

"Any Hillary supporter should very well be outraged, and NEVER vote for Barack Obama!"

I think a Hillary supporter has to ask him/herself what it means to support Hillary Clinton. I heard her concession speech and she asked her supporters to support and vote for Barack Obama. So, I think a Hillary supporter should vote for Barack Obama.

As to their outrage, well, they will have that, but an undecided would probably not consider that in casting his/her vote. I may be wrong here, but once again, I believe Hillary and Barack agree on basic democratic principles. So an undecided may not care about the outrage felt by Hillary supporters.

Hillary supporters, outraged or not, have to ask themselves how much their outrage should be weighed against the possibility of a McCain Presidency, Administration, and future judiciary.

My gut feeling is they can lay aside the anger to get the Democratic Party back into control of the government.

I hope they do.

Cheers.

Posted by: Michelle | Aug 4, 2008 2:23:43 AM

you are right. he has no stand, no position, no character, no values, and no beliefs.

remember what michelle and the kids said in that interview...to paraphrase, he needs lots of attention...

For the Obama campaign, January 2008 was the 'Audacity of Hope', now it is the 'Audacity of Hype'. Later this month, it will be the 'Audacity of Loss'.
Anyone except Obama, even Paris or Britany.

Good night. See you in November!

Oh, this is going to be SO much fun.

Obama is beyond an egomaniac. I am a Dem who was a supporter of Hillary. I have decided today to VOTE MCCAIN because the last straw was Obama's letter asking for the all the MI and FL delegates to be seated!! But when he was losing in the primary he said NO WAY. I honestly believe this guy has lost touch with reality and thinks that anything he says people believe!!

No for him to replace the American flag for that ridicules O? And his seat with again the O and no flag?

Hey Obama -- as far as I know we still have an election in this country. And guess what? There is a huge working class vote that is not buying what you are selling even though the media is so obvious for you.

No wonder Obama is panicking because the race is tied! He won't take answers from the public and debate McCain man-to-man. Also what the hell does he stand for? His positions are over the place.

He is a goner another great pick by the men at the DNC!!!

What a GREAT boon this guy has been to McCain!

What more could he want as an opponent than an inexperienced, dishonest, elitest, scheming, radical, two-faced empty suit with delusions of grandeur, no sense of decency, and a penchant for clumsily playing the race card?

Posted by: jock59801 | Aug 4, 2008 2:15:53 AM

not when we write in hillary, do not vote, or vote mccain in november!
PUMA

tr

They can, but they won't.

Game over.

Catleya -

Thank you for reading my post.

"Did you follow the case from many months ago?"

I did, as much as I could. It was a depressing development within the party membership, and I believe most rank and file Democrats who were undecided at the time were very torn and upset. I think what the party wants to see now is a President who espouses Democratic ideals. I believe either Obama or Hillary fit the bill. Their agreement on basic Democratic ideals is not questioned seriously by the party membership.

But Obama is the presumptive nominee and an Obama presidency and administration would guarantee that the party, with control of Congress in Democratic hands, would start to move the country away from the track it is on right now, which appears to be war and recession.

I honor and applaud Hillary and believe she may be President some day.

In the meantime, I will be voting for Obama because I agree with his position on a majority of the issues.

Cheers!

Shadow

It was Hillary who agreed the contests would not count, and her operatives who voted to strip the delegates in the first place. It wasn't until after she won the primaries and needed more delegates that she suddenly decided they should count! Who should be indignant now?

Nice tag line Good Leader.

I agree.

Clinton or McCain. NEVER Obama.

I like this slogan:

Clinton or McCain. Never Obama.

Obama didn't need those delegates to clinch the nomination but he cried to John Dean, who gave in and proceeded to disenfranchise thousands of voters who voted for Clinton to appease his favorite Obama. And as a resident of MI, I don't even want to hear how we "broke the rules." Yeah, how DARE we vote ahead of another state...what a stupid rule!
Obama is only saying this now because he needs the state of MI in the election. If he really cared about MI voters, he should have allowed Hillary Clinton all the delegates who voted for her instead of whining for something he didn't work for and didn't deserve.

as everyone bickers, the bho supporters need to remember that bho and hillary were a virtual tie in the number of votes they received. with out those 18 million votes bho looses.
the nominee will not be known until the delegates vote...designated and super. they can change their vote up to the time it is cast.
PUMA

Dan,
Do you believe in momentum? Do you not think that having those delegated not seated from the start changed the momentum? Who knows what would have happened, it could very well be so different. That aside, BO didn't wanted them seated so he could win, and now he wants then fully seated?? What an arrogant hot filled shirt! Any Hillary supported should very well be outraged, and NEVER vote for BO! He stinks!

Posted by: jock59801 | Aug 4, 2008 1:54:27 AM

if there are no delegates to steal, who is going to be seated?

Alpaig52 -

As to your comment:

"Why should any State in the future not opt to change their primary date and move it up if indeed they know that the right thing to do would be
give them back their full votes at the convention?"

and

"I personally think the right thing to was give them back their full votes towards the end of the primaries. The argument you give for the appropriateness of their full votes being reestablished now is no different then Clinton's basically. She argued party unity and the concern it will cost the Democrats in the Fall."

My response:

You do bring up a great argument which highlights the unique quandary that the Democratic party membership found themselves in when all this broke out earlier in the primaries. In fact, I remember wondering just how it would be resolved and apparently the party leadership came to the conclusion that the 1/2 vote scheme was acceptable. Your proposal, to give them full seating toward the end of the primaries, may have changed the outcome in the nominating race. So the party was very torn on this issue, and Obama could not have conceded to Hillary at that time without disrespecting the party rules, which could have turned some of his own supporters away from him - maybe not - but the point is the party leadership was going to do what it thought was best anyway. I believe Hillary would have done the same if the shoe had been on the other foot, but who knows?

On your point that the party unity argument is no different than Clinton's, then indeed, if I understand your point correctly, Obama and Clinton are in agreement on this issue.

Thank you for posting a thoughtful response to my musing on this latest issue. This really is a great race this year!

Cheers

Shadow

No, my friend, they could have seated them all in June, and given Obama zero for Michigan, and he still would have been ahead in pledged delegates, as he is now. There is no mathematical way that Clinton could ever have have come out with more pledged delegates.

But don't let that stop your fit of righteous indignation.

tr

Why does it matter? He will still be ahead either way.

And by the way, Clinton did not have any delegates to steal. The contests were declared illegitimate so the delegates did not "belong" to anybody. Since Hillary herself agreed that Michigan would not count (before she won it and needed it), I don't see how she could complain too loudly.

this may all be moot.

go to just say no deal and read the article from "texas darling" regarding bho's birth certificate.
this will be awesome!

--Randy--The changed Senator Obama will put in place are mostly for a socialist agenda. Do you want that? His move toward the center lately is get more voters but he will go back to his far left side after the election. The other changes he speaks about are nothing but political rhetric. He can not be trusted. We do not want a socialist nation. Hillary Clinton's policies are on the moderate democratic platform.

If they sat them in June Hillary would be the presumptive nominee, not this empty shirt that is full of air and himself! He is the most arrogant person I have ever seen! He didn't want them seated so he could win, and now he does so he can win.
The party is hardly being unified over this man's arrogance! Hillary supporters, and everyone for that matters, see this man for what he is! Vote McCain over this man who will do anything to get elected, who has NO experience, has the values of Europe not the USA. NOBAMA now or ever, vote McCain!

Posted by: jock59801 | Aug 4, 2008 1:37:09 AM

wonder who he wants seated...the michigan votes he never received, or the hillary delegates taken from her?

Dan Rains,

Did you follow the case from many months ago?

alpaig52

I agree that there isn't much difference whether they seat them now versus in June. Of course, the DNC has not made any decision on Obama's current request, but they may think that the states were "punished enough" and that party unity is more important now. I'm not sure whether I agree or not, but none of it makes any difference to the outcome of the contest, so I'm not going to worry about it.

The only way either Obama or McCain supporters are going to get undecided voters to vote for their candidate is to post thoughtful responses to these news stories. I mean, everyone understands quite clearly that Obama supporters don't like McCain and McCain supporters don't like Obama. And I understand why there is anger on both sides. Democrats are angry about the wars which they feel were not justified and the effect the recession is having on the poor. Republicans are angry because they are being accused of these things. So we know there is this anger. Okay, let's move on.

I think to an undecided voter this overture by Obama to his party is somewhat of a non-issue because there has been flip-flopping by both candidates on a variety of issues.

I would not consider this action by Obama to qualify or disqualify him from consideration as my choice in the election.

But, to an Obama supporter, I would say that this action once again shows that Obama has the interests of the party at heart.

He still has my vote.

Cheers

Posted by: disambiguates | Aug 4, 2008 12:11:52 AM

perhaps you should do your home work before you diss someone. Bill Clinton has established a huge charity that gives millions upon millions of dollars to those in need. much of that money goes to africa...if he is such a racist as you say, i wish he would channel his money to a group that does not dislike him, and slander him.

If given a choice , I would vote for either Paris Hilton or Britney Spears over Senator Obama. The girls have more integrity. Senator Obama is a pathological liar and a very corrupt politician.

TY Jim,
I couldn't have put it better myself, but my comments were flagged for some unknow reason. Vote McCain!

Clinton or McCain 08.
Never Obama

Posted by: Randy | Aug 3, 2008 11:43:28 PM

sounds like hillary to me without all the baggage..

Dan But what about all the Obama supporters arguing that the rules are the rules? Why should any State in the future not opt to change their primary date and move it up if indeed they know that the right thing to do would be
give them back their full votes at the convention? I personally think the right thing to was give them back their full votes towards the end of the primaries. What makes it more right today then back then? The argument you give for the appropriateness of their full votes being reestablished now is no different then Clinton's basically.
She argued party unity and the concern it will cost the Democrats in the Fall.
If it's the right to do fine, but it was no less the right thing to do this Spring.

when the nomination was being fought
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Somebody'd BETTER fight the nomination of The CHANGEling, or the Democrats -- and the zillions of unrich who are going to freeze to death this winter because blithely "checking the tires" won't pay for heating oil in Maine, Wisconsin, Minnesota -- are done.

We need a DEMOCRAT, not a "post-partisan" pretty-boy.