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Obama Accuses Anti-Abortion Opponents of "Lying"
August 17, 2008 1:33 AM
In an interview with CBN's David Brody after the Saddleback Forum, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said his anti-abortion opponents were misrepresenting his position on an abortion bill in Illinois.
Watch HERE.
You may recall, we told you about this bill waaaaaaay back in January.
Here's what Obama had to say tonight about how this bill is being portrayed.
Obama: Well and because they have not been telling the truth. And I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying. I have said repeatedly that I would have been completely in, fully in support of the federal bill that everybody supported - which was to say --that you should provide assistance to any infant that was born - even if it was as a consequence of an induced abortion. That was not the bill that was presented at the state level. What that bill also was doing was trying to undermine Roe vs. Wade. By the way, we also had a bill, a law already in place in Illinois that insured life saving treatment was given to infants.
So for people to suggest that I and the Illinois medical society, so Illinois doctors were somehow in favor of withholding life saving support from an infant born alive is ridiculous. It defies commonsense and it defies imagination and for people to keep on pushing this is offensive and it's an example of the kind of politics that we have to get beyond. It's one thing for people to disagree with me about the issue of choice, it's another thing for people to out and out misrepresent my positions repeatedly, even after they know that they're wrong. And that's what's been happening.
-jpt
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This is just more garbage.
Here are the FACTS:
The Federal Law, and the State Laws were not identical. What Senator Obama voted against, was a PACKAGE of bills, that would have held Doctors liable for even pre-viable fetuses, thereby, in effect superceding Roe v Wade.
Eventually, there was a compromise reached (after Obama went to DC), which added language stating that it should not be interpreted "to affect existing federal or state law regarding abortion" or "to alter generally accepted medical standards."
If you want to disagree with Obama on abortion... cool.
But, this stuff is pure garbage, and it's sad that people fall for this fiction.
The hatred people on the Right feel, for those they disagree with, is getting really scary.
Posted by: jon | Aug 19, 2008 11:54:43 PM
Obama is the master prevaricator. It is the one skill he has that is unmatched by any other politician. Every word that comes out of his mouth is a distortion. God help us all if the American people are suckered in to electing this slick affectatious arrogant elitist creep.
Posted by: Trep | Aug 19, 2008 11:30:43 PM
Obama has been caught flat out in a lie that is a matter of public record. His slippery tongued excuses are equally shown to be false as a matter of public record. He is counting on blind faith of his supporters and ignorance of the voters. I think both issues are trivial compared to the key issue.
We have running for President of the United States someone who believes a baby should be killed after birth if the mother wanted an abortion. So at what point does the mother no longer have the right to have her baby killed? I believe he has covered that question under his trite "That question is above my pay grade" response. Does that mean he would leave it up to the mother when the baby is too old to kill? Let's hope his mom doesn't get mad at him!
The man is not simply a liar, a liar about being a liar, and a slimy worm when it comes to a pretty basic question about life. The issue is not Choice versus Right to Life. The issue is that the man is totally lacking in a moral compass of his own, so lacking in judgement that in order to please radical pro-abortion advocates that he has voted to kill live babies, a position the most radical pro-abortion activists have never had the stupidity to take. He is the only living holder of public office to have taken that position.
Obama's supporters need to check it out and see if they really want to support someone who supports not just killing live fetuses, but live babies.
Posted by: ragnar30066 | Aug 18, 2008 5:53:24 PM
The purpose of BAIPA - Illinois was to protect innocent life post-birth. The reason the legislation came about is that a concerned nurse revealed that in the process of performing an abortion the baby was born alive. The staff in charge in no way cared for the baby nor allowed anyone else to take care of the baby. The baby eventually died. Many babies are born early and even those that are born full term need care – they are babies. Obama says there were already laws on the books protecting infants born alive. If that is the case then why was this baby not protected? Was the hospital staff prosecuted?
Posted by: Erik | Aug 18, 2008 3:57:10 PM
The evidence seems to indicate that Obama is not telling the truth. The later version of the bill included the language he asked for yet he still did not vote yes. To be consistant he would have had to vote no on the federal bill which others like Boxer and Clinton supported. Obama clearly believes that if an abortion was intended then the baby should be aborted even if he/she is already born.
Posted by: Erik | Aug 18, 2008 3:04:40 PM
(RENO, Nev.) Democrat Barack Obama met Sunday with Texas oil baron and longtime conservative activist T. Boone Pickens to discuss strategies for developing alternative energy.
The presidential hopeful praised Pickens as a "legendary entrepreneur" and deflected a question about the billionaire's role in helping to fund a television ad campaign that undermined John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee.
Newsweek
Anti-Christ Obama will do or say anything to get elected.
Posted by: janephilip | Aug 18, 2008 4:01:22 AM
Look who is talking. The compulsive liar is accusing others in the audocity of hope that he can mislead intelligent Americans.
Posted by: CJ | Aug 17, 2008 12:45:26 PM
You are the biggest liar and cheat, Mr Obama. You may have fooled your loony supporters but you can't fool the rest of America.
I don't mind if someone is not too competent but I can't stand a liar.
Posted by: janephilip | Aug 18, 2008 3:46:43 AM
"Obviously, the point he's making about the actual language and intent of this particular bill is too complex for many posters here to comprehend. Few will take the time to read the bill and will instead take the word of others "
Mary, obviously it is too difficult for you to comprehend that the language of the Illinois bill contained the EXACT SAME language as the Senate bill that passed 98-0 - he voted for the amendment, but voted against the bill. Get your facts straight.
Posted by: CS | Aug 17, 2008 6:44:22 PM
I find it amazing that the best triple talker politician in history would accuse anybody of lying.
Orookie's entire campain is predicated on disguising his long held and well-documented policy positions.
Posted by: notafool | Aug 17, 2008 3:21:49 PM
Well, this is interesting. A case where both sides are right, from a certain point of view.
The purpose of BAIPA at the Illinois state level, was to undermine Roe. That is beyond dispute. There were already laws on the books protecting infants born alive.
However, it is also correct that the federal BAIPA language (IL Senate Amendment 1 for the 93rd Session) mirrored the neutrality language (language expressly protecting Roe and not expanding rights or definitions for the fetus) was included in SB 1082 BAIPA for the 93rd Session in IL.
Obama voted for the amendments inclusion, than torpedoed the bill. I don't know why.
It seems Obama maybe overreacted, considering his pending run for the Senate, I don't know, but he is fibbing about this to some extent.
From a larger perspective, Obama is right--rules on the books protected infants, and this bill was clearly designed to undermine Roe. However, once the neutralization clause was included, Obama still voted against it.
Interesting. Of course, It doesn't change my support for Obama :-) But the right to lifers now have their wedge issue du jour.
Posted by: ChrisNBama | Aug 17, 2008 1:01:19 PM
Obama's own words 'I would not punish my daughters with babies' - says it all about thus compulsive liar who thinks Americans have no brains to not understand his smoke and mirror tactics.
Posted by: CJ | Aug 17, 2008 12:48:14 PM
Look who is talking. The compulsive liar is accusing others in the audocity of hope that he can mislead intelligent Americans.
Posted by: CJ | Aug 17, 2008 12:45:26 PM
For as long as I could remember, the Republican Right Wing has attempted to undermine Roe v Wade with sneaky wording. If one claims life begins at a certain point, or that an aborted fetus is in fact a baby - that's it, R v W is out......
Posted by: irma | Aug 17, 2008 12:40:52 PM
If Senator Obama doesnt have any idea when life begin.Then why he approve of a law who terminate the life of a baby in any stage of development.We all should look in the mirror and said,yes we are those babies too, but luckier.
Posted by: MFB | Aug 17, 2008 12:28:31 PM
never seen a man whine so much in my life never mind a presidential candidate agree with bush or not he dont whine and look at the daily attacks he takes
Posted by: rick | Aug 17, 2008 12:03:18 PM
Obama's statements on PREVENTING abortions from happening can't be any more plain. Abortion may never have come to reality if the extreme fanatical so-called religious people would not have condemned and ostracized the unwed mothers in the past and even to this day.
Posted by: hiddentruth | Aug 17, 2008 11:22:05 AM
During one of Obama's rambling answers (off prompter)a few months ago, he said something about not wanting a teenager "punished" by having a baby.
And of course the media just ignored this horrible statement. But it appears to be the way Obama thinks about unwanted babies...by looking at his voting record.
At the forum last night, Obama was so afraid to take a stand he wouldn't even give a direct response to when a baby's rights begin.
Posted by: riley | Aug 17, 2008 10:46:25 AM
MOVEON.ORG loved Obama's very pro Abortion stance so much they endorsed him and they never have endorsed anyone.
Posted by: nicloe | Aug 17, 2008 10:23:39 AM
That was the point. Obama said this. He tried it in Illinois and saw the negative outcome. From past experience he know it doesn't work. That's why he opposes the gas tax holiday.
Please don't equate allowing a live child to die with the gas tax holiday!
He has been called out on his thin resume and doesn't take well to critique. Thin resume and thin skin do not bode well for a presidential candidate. Perhaps this is why he declines any additional opportunities to debate issues with Senator McCain? Just a thought ....
Posted by: beebop | Aug 17, 2008 9:56:08 AM
Elisabeth, Are you in favor of saving the life of a baby born alive after an abortion? The majority of people would answer yes. Obama voted against a bill that would save a baby born alive after an abortion making him an extremist when it comes to being pro abortion and out of sync with the majority of Americans, I would say even you. As to abortion being a "wedge issue" Obama's extremists views on abortion tells you a lot about Obama's moral code and judgment. Personally speaking, I do not one someone in the White House who appears to be in favor of infanticide than lies about his position in favor of this.
Posted by: Mary | Aug 17, 2008 9:47:21 AM
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