Obama Told Clinton She Wasn't Likely to Be VP, Give or Take

I Admire Hillary and Bill. I don't like Barak and Michelle. It is really that simple. The Farakhan, Weatherman, and Chicago mob connection are also of concern. I don't feel Obama is as smart or as seasoned as Hillary. She is bright, articulate and she is not a quitter. Financially, I will fare much better under McCain. The only other republican presidential candidate I voted for was Reagan and I thought he was a GREAT President. I am not going to judge McCain because of the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield/Rove Presidency. Things would have been differenct with James Baker, Brent Scrowcroft, McCain and other Republicans. The W. Legacy is about W. not the Republican Party. There are good people in both parties. And, after this election, I will have to re-examine why I am a registered democrat. The last hold out from a large family of traditional democrats. most of whom live in Oklahoma, Texas, and Colorado, that are now registered republicans. I have a Bachelor's and Master's in Political Science. I have worked in the federal government in both the military and law enforcement for 30 years. I have fought the glass ceiling my entire career and have earned the respect for my opinion. I understand why some will vote for Obama, but at this time I am not persuaded. I'd rather see what McCain, a war veteran whom I respect for serving his country, can do to clean up the W. mess. If he fails, which I imagine he will, Hillary or a more capable centrist democrat may be able to pull us out in 2012. I don't expect Obama to win this election. I live in Maryland now and MD will go for OBAMA so, my vote won't really matter. I think Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and all of the south will fall to McCain. I think that will be enough electoral votes for McCain to win the nomination.

Penny,
How much difference is there between Obama and Hillary on policies? On health care, HRC is a little more liberal since she wants a mandate. On Iraq, Obama is a little more liberal since he advocated a slightly faster withdrawal plan, but both of them were more conservative than the rest of the Dem field (cf. Edwards, Richardson, Kucinich) on this issue. On women's issues, including abortion, eduction, etc., HRC takes typical liberal positions. On fiscal responsibility it's unclear whether there would be much difference between them (but either would be much better than McCain, who intends to follow the same irresponsible policies of Bush that created the huge deficit in the first place). On free trade, HRC was more liberal and populist, and Obama just followed her lead to avoid losing votes in Ohio. They had the same opinions about immigration, too. The only other differences that I can recall were on Iran, where HRC was somehwat more bellicose and less diplomatic, and gas tax relief, a purely pandering move that is irrelevant to the presidency (since the proposal only would've applied to this year) and according to HRC would've been combined with a windprofits tax, a most decidely liberal idea. Oh, and HRC took the more liberal stance on telecom immunity this summer, too.

If you think Obama is too liberal, why on earth were you supporting Hillary?

What a splendid strategy for garnering support amongst disaffected Clintonites: chastise them for being bitter and puerile as if they haven't come to their conclusions based on REAL and SUBSTANTIVE reasons.

Maybe you can reach to new heights with the "transcendent" politics of change and employ some Chicago thuggery so we will all fall in line and buy a "Secret" DVD, "if you believe in it enough, it will come true!"

My party is populated by intellectual midgets, i.e. what has happened to American education when they nominate a man who has spent TWENTY YEARS and right up until the bitter end seeking advice from a hate monger?

Truly, I am ashamed of "my" party.

Actually over the past two nights with the Clinton's speaking and something Hillary said :

Were you in it for me or were you in it for the lady who had cancer, the marine or the lady with the minimum wage job.

I may hold my nose and vote for Obama in November.

I am a Jeffersonian Democrat. I am a centrist or perhaps even moderate to conservative democrat. There used to be a lot of us in the democratic party until the DNC ran us off. I believe in state rights, fiscal accountability and a strong military. I vote for democrats in local and state elections. I am a well-educated woman and Hillary supporter who will not be happy until the glass ceiling is busted. I will vote for McCain if he puts a woman or a pro-choicer on his ticket for VP. If I end up voting democrat as a last resort, it will not be because I support Obama. The fact is I just don't like the guy and am not going to be bullied by liberal democrats to vote for him. How many elections do democrats have to lose for the party to realize all democrats are not left wing liberals.

A Hillary supporter's vote for John McCain is a slap in the face... NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT or what sort of twisted logic you use to back it up. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it's a duck... If you'd rather forego the issues at stake and place your vote for another four years of republican rule - well then simply stated - You're an Idiot... and your voter's registration card should be revoked on account of you being an idiot.

>>> Mary Anne | Aug 26, 2008 11:21:02 PM
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Hear Hear!

What an amazing speech!

What an amazing woman!

And not ONE mistake in her magnificent presentation!

Quelle magnifique!

oops. avant and friends were not suing the dnc. just withholding their donations if hillary was not the nom. may as well make that clearer.

"I Didn't Mean To Turn You On" was a hit for Cherrelle, and produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis before it was ever a hit for Robert Palmer.

Like those blues songs covered by rock acts, I can understand why you phrased it this way though.

For the record, it was issued on Hillary Clinton supporter Clarence Avant's Tabu Records. You recall the folks who were suing to make Hillary the nominee. He was one of those elitist millionaires.

FYI.

I don't care how passionate Hillary Clinton was this evening at the convention. WE WILL NEVER GIVE OUR VOTE TO BARRACK OBAMA! NEVER! Instead of saying we needed to unite she should have pointed her finger at the Democratic party who allowed Obama to bash her constantly during the primary season. They are the ones responsible for the disharmony and the disunity. We will be voting for John MCCain in November. I don't know if they twisted her arm behind her back and/or dangled her future political career in front of her like a carrot, but it does not make any difference to us. We are voting for John McCain, campaigning for John McCain and will win with John McCain in November. I don't understand how Senator Clinton, or anyone else for that matter, can say Obama is going to do this and he is going to that when he has such a small amount of history and accomplishments behind him. You wouldn't have an inexperienced plumber work on your pipes, or an inexperienced electrician rewire your house, so why should we believe that this inexperienced man is capable of such lofty achievements? Tell it to Mother Goose because as far as we are concerned it is just another Obama fairytale! And, it is just another brick in the wall dividing this party. We were not in the campaign simply for Hillary Clinton. We were in the campaign for everything that she embodies and because of everything that Obama lacks in comparison to her. So, give us a break! We will vote for who we want to vote for and we don't care what anyone says, etc. Good luck with the next 4 years of another Republican administration and remember to thank that thug Obama, his Obama zombies and the Democratic heads who are the biggest gasbags around. Go back to Illinois Senator Obama because you are not our President, will never be our President even if you are elected President, and will NEVER have the admiration and the respect that Bill and Hillary Clinton have in the USA.

I cannot wait until Obama loses to McCain in the fall so that the Clintons and all of their supporters can say, I TOLD YOU SO! I will be so glad to see that Chicago thug go back to where he came from and I hope he never has a chance to run for a big office again. He has such an inflated ego about himself! However, the one great thing he did for the women voters, by bashing Hillary Clinton at every opportunity he had, was he ignited the fire. We are mobilized and are staying organized so that we will have our voices heard loud and clear from now on. We were a ragtag group initially but now count among us, corporate heads, black people, babyboomer women, blue collar workers, etc. and we are ready to go and will NEVER drop our guard again and expect the party that we ALWAYS have supported in the past, to protect us from within our own party. Everyone is suspect now, not just the other party, but our own Democrat party because of the abuse they allowed Hillary Clinton to withstand at the hands of that Illinois thug Obama! WE WILL NEVER FORGET THAT THEY ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN! They had to have given him the green light to bash the Clintons because no one stopped it, NO ONE!! Perhaps the next time a woman runs people will remember this election and will treat her the way they would want to be treated, fairly. What kind of a society do we live in when a woman can be bashed and insulted and many people, including my own kind;women, think there is nothing wrong with that. And, people simply blow it off and say, Hey, that's politics. Yet, if we evened the playing field and allowed Hillary to say any kind of derrogatory comment she wanted about Obama's race, WHICH SHE NEVER WOULD DO, she would be crucified. Talk about double standards! It is disgusting! And, I am ashamed of any woman who supports Obama and I am ashamed of my party for treating my gender like it was open season on it, and I am ashamed of the majority of delegates who happened to be women,who turned their backs on Hillary Clinton. I hope they are all happy now. I am so proud of the Clinton supporters! Hang tough and don't give up and don't give in!

Why doesn't anyone get when Hillary supporters feel a candidate is a threat to this great country....WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM.
You do have to have some dues to pay on the way to the WH....just because of your skin color it shouldn't be handed to you.
Gotta earn it!
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

A dozen or so of some of Hillary's top supporters are not sticking around for Nobama's speech Thurs. Can't say I blame them. I hope Hill flys out of there too, right after Bill's speech Wed.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

None of them have the expeince to be president.It is indeed a on the job training.But they surround themselves with the best whiz's America can provide.Even a idiot can be president as Gerald Ford and Jimmt Carter have shown us .

Hillary was the next in line to be nominated for President of the Democratic party and Obama stepped out of line I dont care how you spin it he just did ... he lied about the Clinton recoed... I know he did because I was there.. and Obama picked Biden because he would suck up to him and now Mccain is ahead of Obama go figure... I dont think she will do it but Clinton should consider being Mccains running mate.... alot has been said soley by Obamaphiles that will prevent the party from healing itself I say do away with the Democratic party... it doesnt reperesent 52 percent of its registrants now!

Willem:
Yes, I posted like 2 months ago, lol, that McCain's fail safe bet would be to VP Hillary.

The time for complaining about the primary process would have been before the process began, not after you come up short. Obama played by the established rules and won, nothing unfair or sinister to it, accept the facts.

Hillary, the legitimate nominee. Why should she accept second place and who cares if he considered her, many of us are still not voting for someone who stole the election, period.

Obama better milk his current power trip, 'cause it's not going to last very long. His political career is finished. He's flash. A footnote for history books on the usurpation of power, maybe not even that.

hillary ruined her chances for the presidency. she'll never have the support among democrats. she would have to burn more bridges again. who else is left?

She D I D win in the primaries..... it was the crooked caucuses which did her dirty.

But, mr. tangerine, Obama's set to tank..... and it won't be long til the message rings true!