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Obama v McCain, the Debates to Come
August 14, 2008 9:55 AM
At The Atlantic, James Fallows smartly assesses the two candidates' strengths and weaknesses as debaters.
His big question is why then-state Sen. Barack Obama was so strong, in Fallows' view, in his debates against Ambassador Alan Keyes during his 2004 Senate run, and so cautious and tentative when running for president.
"The Obama who took on the Republican ambassador, perennial presidential candidate, talk-show host, and motormouth Alan Keyes in the Illinois Senate debates of 2004—a relaxed, funny politician unafraid to go jab for jab—differed noticeably from the surprisingly tentative, slow-to-attack candidate who survived but did not triumph through this season’s debates."
- jpt
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Obama will do fine. He's "likeable
enough"...just like Hillary.
Posted by: Trajan | Aug 15, 2008 12:04:39 AM
"I hope the debates aren't scheduled past mccain's bedtime..."
I hope they don't interfere with BO's vacation times.....
Posted by: eyes opening | Aug 14, 2008 10:07:59 PM
"obama cant say 57 states
but mccain can refer to a country that hasnt existed for 16 years"
(bhrandon)
Yes!... because the seven extra states... have N E V E R existed!
HILLARY OR MCCAIN
BUT ALWAYS.....
COUNTRY OVER BROKEN DOWN DNC
Posted by: just thinking,... | Aug 14, 2008 9:56:05 PM
America will use the "Monroe Doctrine" to keep foreign interests out of North & South America, whether anyone likes it or not, so I guess we are now being introduced to the "Putin Doctrine". Where Russia will not tolerate interferecne in nations with adjoining borders to Russia.
Posted by: Ronaldraygun | Aug 14, 2008 9:18:46 PM
No-one can figure out who the real Obama is! The man must have multiple personalities! Flip-flops, recants statements, needs vacations to keep up with the grey-hair dude! If he is such a great debater, why has he refused to do Town-Hall Meetings with McCain? Answer: No teleprompters allowed! Is this the best Fallows can do - compare him with Alan Keyes?! LOL!
Posted by: Beckie | Aug 14, 2008 8:40:49 PM
Hillary & Bill know that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. He shouldn’t even be running. She is positioning herself so that when his citizenship hits the fan, she won’t look so bad in more ways than one.
Posted by: . | Aug 14, 2008 6:43:03 PM
To all you Obama supporters telling Hillary supporters to get over it:
Why should they? Why should they have to vote for Obama and like it? This is America and last checked we could still vote for whichever candidate we choose. If I were a Hlllary supporter (which I am not) I would be upset at the situation too. Obama bought the primary with super delegates. If you went to the DNC and voted without super delegates, Hillary would be the nominee. What you have here is rich and powerful democrats ignoring the way their constituents voted and throwing support behind Obama in a bid for new government positions. It is sad really. I am a repbulican, and I thought I would never be defending a Clinton, but in all honesty I would vote for Hillary over Obama any day. I believe Hillary actually does love and appreciate this country even though I don’t share her political views. I believe Obama only uses America for his own good. He uses the opportunities the country provides to a minority like himself, then turns and bites the hand that fed him. I know how you feel Hillary supporters. The republicans didn’t nominate the right candidate either and now I have McCain supporters telling me I have to vote for McCain, well the truth is I don’t. I will vote for McCain if he earns it, and I don’t think Hillary supporters should vote Obama till the man earns it
Posted by: becky | Aug 14, 2008 6:34:55 PM
Obama and Kilpatrick in the same jail cell. Sweet!
Posted by: sam | Aug 14, 2008 6:07:05 PM
spock so apparently its ok for us to invade countries, its ok for georgia to break a treaty and invade ossetia, but my god if russia does it.... lets start another cold war!
Also Spock
what do you make of all of mccains flips on issues?
He has far more issues that he has flipped on... but those are justified by you im sure... when mccain makes gaffes and flips and gets facts completely wrong or uses crazy false attack ads.. its ok its justified
but obama does any of those things, and you guys start foaming at hte mouth calling him out, pointing fingers "oh my god did you hear what he said!!!"
mccain can travel to other countries and gives speeches in iraq, afghanistan, south america, canada, and thats fine...
but obama travles abroad and hes presumptious and arrogant...
Mccain can speak out about the terrible things in georgia and start talking tough politics and well do this and well do that, and im sending my two guys over there, and we need to do something
and thats ok
but obama says something like that and its
oh obamas soooo full of himself, theres only one president at a time obama sheesh man this guy thinks hes ruling th world
why do you give mccain the pass
obama cant say 57 states
but mccain can refer to a country that hasnt existed for 16 years
obamas the idiot fool, and mccain is... well its ok for mccain he knows what hes talking about so what he gets all these facts wrong on his supposedly "strongest " campaign platform
i mean cmon... you just want to destroy obama because for whatever reason you think the old guy whos losing his mind and that will continue the bush agendas is the guy you want running hte show...
well tahts great, i mean thanks for voting for bush twice... the country is far better off for it everyone can see that... i mean... lets just cross our fingers and hope that other people want to continue on this same bogus path...
i mean honorable path
Posted by: bhrandon | Aug 14, 2008 5:24:26 PM
"The fact that Obama is a gentleman ... "
-----
We know it's "new politics" and all, but we're PRETTY sure a "gentleman" candidate wouldn't refer publicly to his own grandmother as "a typical white person" ...
... THEN use visiting the maligned matriarch as the excuse to remove himself from the press while people fall over dead, and are run right out of the "news" by a dubious military dustup.
Posted by: Belle Starr | Aug 14, 2008 5:22:27 PM
McCain today:
"We have just found out in the last few days that we live in a very dangerous world"
Heh.
Posted by: Mike | Aug 14, 2008 5:01:07 PM
Obama himself said at one point, that it didn't feel right attacking someone from his own party. I think you will see a more robust and hard hitting candidate in the General Election debates.
Posted by: markymark | Aug 14, 2008 4:56:34 PM
re: Mike
"Do you think it was wise of President Saakashvili to invade Ossetia"
very bad, maybe fatal miscalculation on his part....
Posted by: Tex | Aug 14, 2008 4:50:46 PM
spock, what country is yours?
Nobody needs to make any excuses for Russia retaliating against Georgia, McCain's lobbyist advisor and Saakashvili gave them enough already.
Posted by: Mike | Aug 14, 2008 4:49:37 PM
John Mccain has strengths in debating? My God what a story! What are they???
Posted by: Tim | Aug 14, 2008 4:41:42 PM
Chris,
You and all the rest of the Republicans better remember, that the last few debates you saw Obama in he was debating another Dem - Hillary.
For the sake of the party and being that Hillary is a woman (that was known to cry) he had to hold back and take it easier on her...
Just wait until Barack gets up there with McSenile. It won't be pretty for the cranky old man. Without a phony Repub stacked town hall to lean on for softball questions, he is going to be in trouble!
Crank up the McCain gaffe machine! On top of that I am sure the Obama camp is researching hot button points and themes to get McCains goat and make him lose it on stage in front of the whole country!
McNasty is going to be seen for what he really is, a forgetful old angry warmongering fool!
Ha, ha, ha, ha,ha, ha, ha!!!
Can't wait for the first debate!
Obama '08!!!
Posted by: Davis | Aug 14, 2008 4:33:06 PM
I see people talking about russia below, why is it that Obama/liberals seem to be making excuses for Russia invading another country while attacking our Country for defending itself and following the UN charter!!
As far as Obama, he will be shown for the flipper he is, I wonder if his buddy william ayers will be there!!
Posted by: spock | Aug 14, 2008 4:31:44 PM
Yes the liberal ran debates, Why did the RNC committee accept these debates, all the moderators are known liberals.
They will throw softball questions at Obama.
Can wait, yes it will be oh Obama was so good, mcCain looked tired!!
Posted by: spock | Aug 14, 2008 4:27:50 PM
"just for my own edification ... what exactly is the 'moral difference' you imply?"
see what I mean!
Posted by: geevill | Aug 14, 2008 4:19:56 PM
Here's a good question - "Do you think it was wise of President Saakashvili to invade Ossetia, thus breaking an international agreement?"
Posted by: Mike | Aug 14, 2008 3:58:31 PM
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