Rick Warren on Today's Forum, Mormonism and His Fave Bible Verse

The fundamental difference between Mormonism to the rest of the Christian world is not Christian history but more specifically the history after the church of Christ fell into apostasy.
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The Mormons believe in Restoration not a Reformation.America is turning into a theocracy and in 20 years it will be hard to distinguish America from Iran.
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We don't need your ramblings, justrighttoo...

Just say "Ditto, Rush!" and we'll know where you're coming from.

I will certainly concede that we Latter-day Saints to not subscribe to all the tenants of historical Christian orthodoxy. I suppose that whether or not that disqualifies us from being "Christian" would depend on how one defines the term. The earliest Christians did not subscribe many of these tenants because they had not been formulated. Many, likely not educated in Greek metaphysics, conceived of anything like the Nicene Creed. Like most Christians today who are not philosophically sophisticated, they probably conceived of something heretical like tri-theism or modalism. Today if you ask everyday Christians, say, in Africa or South America to describe the trinity they describe one or the other, typically. It takes a lot of philosophical coaching to describe the paradoxical trinity accurately. So I ask, are these well intentioned, though philosophically unsophisticated believers Christians? Is training in metaphysics necessary for salvation?

I believe that Jesus is my savior and that only through his grace can I escape eternal hell. I have different views than many evangelicals on how that grace is accessed, but that is a different issue than the centrality of His grace as the primary and necessary means to eternal salvation. For this reason I see myself as Christian and I have a personal witness that Christ sees me as such. If you don’t see me that way, that’s okay with me.

It looks like the tide is turning, not only in the battelfied of Iraq, but also in the race for the white house--in McCain's favor! McCain's answers were consistently in line with what you would hear in most sermons. Obama's answers, on the other hand, made me wonder which church he's been attending, if any. Hey, can you tell the difference as to who's the shepperd and who's Golliad? Please pray before you vote :) You might need some spiritually guidance!

Mormons are good people, from those I've met. They aren't Christian, but they are nice, good people. Why are they not Christian? Because they do not believe in the basic Christian Doctrines. Start with only one God. And then ask mormons about Joe Smith. It all goes downhill from there. Their choice. Check the Christine Doctrines. Oh, and humans don't ever become gods.

According to CNN, McCain's motorcade did not arrive at Saddleback until a half-hour into Obama's questions. It does raise questions! Obama did fine: his answers were nuanced and careful. McCain's answers, although colorful, came off as a rushed, knee-jerk stump speech. I would prefer a president who took his time to truly think and answer, whether liberal or conservative.

"What harm is there in allowing a preacher to ask specific questions which many would like to know the answer to?"
The Founding Fathers found it harmful enough to prohibit any religious test for public office in Article 6, Sec 3 of the Constitution (further evidenced by Madison’s arguments in the Federalist Papers, No 52). This PRINCIPLE is ignored by theistic majorities, media- whoever can exploit its demise in the public square, under the argument that it is practical knowledge. Is it? Only if you see leaders of minority faiths/no faith as inferior... I think majority theists have shown that politically and ethically, they are no better leaders than non-theists/theists in the minority. This kind of journalism is a slap in the face to Constitutional principals and can NOT avoid institutionalizing specific faiths and ill, divisive standards for generations to come. Bad idea folks.

I have heard rick warren put down other religions or churches even when what he was saying wasn't right meaning he really didn't know and still say those things. what kind of rev. or christian leader are you? Im not part of any major denomination but i have good friends from different churches that are very honest and are very kind people. mr warren thinks the flds and the lds are the same. I may not be a member but i can tell you he is as bad as warren jeffs himself by saying these things when he is supposed to be an EXAMPLE. lets play wheel of fortune the category is before and after _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ = rick warren jeffs lol let him open his mouth and say these wrong things but that will mean less respect for him

There is nothing wrong with someone wanting to know what kind of beliefs the candidates for president have. If you don't care, then don't watch the show. You have a right to base your vote on whatever is important to you but you should also be willing to let others do the same. What harm is there in allowing a preacher to ask specific questions which many would like to know the answer to? It is no different than other debate shows choosing the questions that they ask. Like I said, if you don't care what the questions on this show are about or what answers are given then don't listen!

Some people are so shallow. Just because McCain was quick to answer and spoke directly to the crowd doesnt make him right. Just because Obama thought about his answers and spoke more directly to the Paster doesnt make him wrong. Some of the best can lie and con while looking directly in to your eyes.Its called being experianced in politics. You have to look beyond the showmanship and fast replys that by the way sounded rehearsed and typical of a 72 year old republican canidate and look to the answers and what they meant deep down inside. Nobody won and nobody lost. Just two different men with different ways of reaching a goal. Two different men with two different backgrounds and beliefs and personalities. Not a black and white country or world.

Sheila, Liar and Phony=Barak Obama. Obama has lied his whole life!Obama has been a traitor to his own country! With William Ayers and Rev. Wright being his friends for years. Look at your close friends, that will tell you what type of person you are.Obama=Socialist. He doesn't believe in this country's roots on a republican form of government. McCain did cheat on his first wife and asked God's forgiveness. If God can forgive, can you? Or are you holier than thou? Clinton cheated many times, yet it was no big deal for the Democrats! Hypocritical Party! THE ONLY REASON why Obama did this was because of the huge loses of the evangelical vote in 2004. Obama waffled throughout these questions, while McCain was short, sweet and to the point. Why should it take insight and searching to talk about evil or abortion? It's either you ARE for it or not! It's QUITE simple.Obama has zero integrity and has put his own self centered interests FIRST. And Sheila, when you have been a POW for 5 years, then YOU can criticize whether McCain collarborated under duress or not. It was very telling that Obama would mention Clarence Thomas. As an African-American, he should have been proud to have seen another on the bench. What was BAFFLNG was that he said Thomas had no experience! Talk about calling the kettle BLACK!!!Takes one to know one I guess.Obama's answer on beating Evil, by using humility. What a crock! Look Bin Laden, even though you killed thousands of people, well, just go to this jail cell and we'll feed and clothe you for the rest of your life. And you child molester, you only need to serve 90 days (which is what the left leaning justices do in Vermont.)Yeah, right.I'm sure that is what Roosevelt thought after Pearl Harbour.McCain clearly won last night. I felt sorry for Hillary supporters, they were biting their nails!

willie----------First of all a lot of us do not think Obama did bad last night. I think he was more honest. He wanted prople to learn about him and how he thinks. He didnt campaine like McCain which is what that forum was supposed to be like. McCain di great also but they aproach it in different ways. I do not think McCain or anyone else cheated and I am a Obama supporter.
How come when you read one or two post you lump all Obama supporters in to one lot. Back to the old ideas that everything is either this saide or that side. Back to black and white with no room for grey.

I'm an Independent voter and have been sitting on the fence, so to speak, since the election process began. I've got to say the decisisiveness with which McCain gave his answers in this interview gave evidence of the valuable experience in many areas of government policy (not just faith) which is necessary to run this country effectively. He spoke as a leader should, decisive, straight to the point, made eye contact with, and spoke directly to the audience. In sharp contrast, Obama's head was down, his eyes fixated upon the table as he spoke. I cannot trust anyone who will not make direct continual eye contact with me.

Obama on the abortion issue is "above his pay grade" .
Obama finally speaks the truth! He is not qualified to answer a simple & direct question on a national and moral issue. If the abortion issue is above his pay grade, then the office of President, is absolutely above his qualifications and judgment. ------------Thats one way to look at it. Personaly I think it was good answer. Instead od pretending to be mister know it all and not claiming to be God and have all the answers he is honest and undertands it is not a black and white world and there is plenty of Grey. We already have a President that puts himself on a pedestal and makes decisions without regard to American interest and the American wants and needs. Where politicians like McCain and Bush have concrete preconceived ideas with very little room for change of thought, Obama says honestly where he is and admits he doesnt have an answer to everything. Gosh, welcome to being human. I would much rather have a president that comes to office humble and open to all aspects as to one that thinks he knows all answers when it fact he doenst. We already have one of those.

Because Obama looked bad last night and would not answer most of the questions, now Obama’s supporters are claiming that Pastor Rick Warren at Saddleback Church is a cheater. Pastor Rick Warren had given the questions to McCain before hand. It shows how much Obama’s supporters know their man. Obama never do well in debates or interviews. Look at his past debates and interview with Hillary. What help him in some of the Hillary’s debates was Hillary’s answering the questions first and Obama agreeing with her.

Obama on the abortion issue is "above his pay grade" .
Obama finally speaks the truth! He is not qualified to answer a simple & direct question on a national and moral issue. If the abortion issue is above his pay grade, then the office of President, is absolutely above his qualifications and judgment.

So now it's all Rick Warren's fault! You Democrats just kill me! Obama looked bad! He sounded even worse! That's why they are basically tied in the polls! Rick Warren asked the candidates the same questions one on one! We all saw distinctly the differences between the two candidates. You all thought that McCain was going to do bad because Obama has spoken to christian organization's on at least three different occasions in the past! I am a black man from Louisiana and I am saying Obama looked bad! McCain was direct and straight to the point! Obama as president its a mystery is to what we are getting but McCain we will know on the first day of what we are getting! Right now I am leaning for McCain and yes I am a 4th generation Army veteran! I don't think working for comunity groups like ACORN compairs to military service as serving your country!

I am sure that many evangelical scholars have realized that Obama, in the last night's interview with pastor Warren, presented a broad vision in contrast to the narrow outlook based on calculations for immediated political gain as presented by McCain. For example, to the question on 3 wise men. McCain Came up with the name of Patreus first. Nobody denies that Patreus is a war hero with a great strategy on war front. But, do you take his advice on matters whether you go for a war with a country or whethet you need to build a better rapport with your European allies? Second, on the question on stem cell research, McCain was hoping that the problem (conflict with prolife ideology) will go away once the research direction with skin cells shapes up. You need to face challenges, not wish them go away. Didn't Galileo stand up to the persecution of Christian Fathers who were against his theory that earth moves around the sun? Next, on the question about the approach one need to take regarding evil, McCain came up with the obvious name of Bin Laden as evil personified, and took the opportunity for political pandering. Obama, on the other hand, presented a broader vision presenting maby examples of evil wihich are both subtle and obvious, both internal and external. His approach is more from a moralistic perspective because he said we need to act with utmost humility here because sometimes we, in the name of fighting evil, tend to take the evil role ourselves. However, intellectuals only understand these differences. For the general masses, McCain's political pandering only matters.

This again proves what I have been saying all along.

Obama is not ready for this job.

He may never be. I think there will be more and more information that the Big 3 Obama networks will not be able to ignore.

Obama's associations with radical Socialist and Radical thinking people not to mention crooks will lose him this election.

This is stuff that Obama does not what you to know about. When it is revealed the undecided votef will not longer be undecided.

Simply put for me. I voted for Hillary because Obama would not do.

Obama still will not do and that leads me to vote for MCCain.