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Rick Warren on Today's Forum, Mormonism and His Fave Bible Verse
August 16, 2008 11:55 AM
Popular and influential pastor Rick Warren told me that in today's forum at the Saddleback Church in Lake Forrest, Calif., with Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Barack Obama, D-Ill., "we’re going to look at four different things. Were going to look at leadership, specifically their character, their competence, their experience. We’re going to look at stewardship, which is the role of the president, the role of America, the role of government. We’re going to look at worldview, which are some faith issues and some moral issues. And were going to look at America’s role international, what is their vision for America into the future.
"A lot of people expect me to ask softball questions," Warren said. "They will not be softball, they will be fair. In fact, I’m going to ask the identical questions to both candidates. We flipped a coin and Obama goes first for one hour, and then John McCain will be in a cone of silence for an hour."
"Oh, he won’t hear it?" I asked.
"He will not hear it," Warren said. "To be fair."
"Just like a game show?" I said. (Thinking of “Family Feud.”)
"Just like a game show," Warren said. "I will ask the identical questions to John McCain. So there’s no bias. There’s no gotcha on one and not on the other, ‘[no] well he was too hard or too soft.' The identical questions and we call it a civil forum because I think you can disagree without being disagreeable, without demonizing the opposition."
Warren said that he's been "working on this for about a month, questions that don’t have any wiggle room so that people just can’t go into the well."
"Having interviewed both these guys good luck with that," I said.
I noted that Mitt Romney -- thought to be on McCain's short list for VP -- did not get a lot of evangelical votes during the GOP primaries specifically because of his Mormon faith.
"What did you think of that when that was playing out?" I asked.
"Well, I think there’s a fundamental difference because evangelicalism and Mormonism," Warren said. "There’s no doubt about it. And there’s some things that Mormons hold to that are not 'historic Christianity' that all Lutherans, all Methodists, all Baptists, all Pentecostals, all Catholics, Protestants [hold true].
“For instance, all Christians believe in the Trinity. Mormons deny the Trinity. So that’s a fundamental difference,” Warren said. “All Christians believe in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Mormons believe in additional books that historic orthodox Christians reject. There may have been a misunderstanding on that. But I don’t even think that’s the whole issue. I think that there are other issues involved in terms of who has had experience, who has had leadership and who understands my problems."
I also asked Warren about his favorite Bible verse.
"ACT 13:36 is the epitaph for King David," Warren said. "It says, ‘He served God’s purpose for his generation. And then he died.’ And that’s my life verse. He did serve God’s purpose, that which never changes but he did it in his generation. He did it in a contemporary and relevant way. He did the timeless in a timely way. He did that which never changed in a world that’s constantly changing and that’s all that any of us can do. My goal is to serve God’s purpose in my generation and then I’ll die. Then the next guy will serve God’s purpose in his generation. And I believe God has a purpose for every life. And if you’re alive, if your heart’s beating, God has a purpose for your life. God has never done anything without a purpose."
Gotta run. Off to Lake Forrest to the Saddleback Church.
- jpt
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Obama and his stuttering, with Rick leading him with his answers..Obama never once finsished the question he was asked after the aha uhh ahh you know ahh dah..McCain looked and sounded SO PRESIDENTIAL thats whay he will be our next President
Posted by: NOBAMA NO WAY | Aug 17, 2008 1:23:35 PM
We all observe reality from our own bias point of view, we all saw the same interview and drew a million different conclusions. I was impressed by Obama. He spoke one on one with Rick Warren - didn't pander, preach or campaign - which is all McCain did. On the question "How would you deal with evil?" - McCain said - "We must destroy it!" I liked Obama's answer. "We must confront evil but we must do so in a way that assures us - we do not become what we detest." America needs to stop being so agressive in settling disputes. There are more ways to solve problems than war and violence. Thousands of innocent Iraqi people are dead because of Bush's self-righteous crusade, thousands more are wounded, homeless and totally disenfranchised. How is this Christian? Reagan tore down the Berlin wall and reset the doomsday clock without firing a shot! The clock is now at 5 minutes to midnight. Not a lot of room for McCain's "destroy it" point of view. The world's nation's need to turn this clock back now, no nation or people will win a nuclear conflict - we will destroy our planet and all lifeforms. It is ludicrous for us to worry about saving whales and polar bears when we sit on the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and continue to "play chicken". We are all in denial - this has to be addressed and the agression must stop!
Posted by: White Mountain | Aug 17, 2008 1:03:54 PM
Obama would agree with those faith-based initiatives since he is a Christian who went to a church that had many different social programs. He saw how much good Trinity did outside of the Pastor of the church, and that they would need that kind of support to continue their work. Also, we all know most communities revolve around churches so it would be a good idea to utilize them as a first line of defense for many of the issues we face today.
Posted by: Marcus | Aug 17, 2008 12:15:41 PM
The reason Obama answered, Michelle, and his grandmother,when asked who he sonsidered his influence, and or guiding light was because he was afraid to list his true influences, Frank Davis (Communist Party)William Ayers (Weather Underground) Pastor Wright (Black Liberation Theologist)
Posted by: Badger1 | Aug 17, 2008 11:59:36 AM
Whatever happened to separation of church and state? On Dec. 12, 2002, President George W. Bush issued two executive orders putting into place his controversial "faith-based" initiative “In his State of the Union address, Bush renewed a call for Congress to make permanent his faith-based proposals that would allow religious organizations to compete for more government contracts and grants”. “By studying Bush White House press releases and the White House web site, Daniel Zwerdling found that religious groups could apply to more than a hundred federal programs that gave out more than $65 billion. In addition, religious groups could apply for more money through state-administered programs”. Do a Google search on “bush faith-based charities” and gain a little knowledge. July 1,08 taking a page from President Bush, Democrat Barack Obama said Tuesday he wants to expand White House efforts to steer social service dollars to religious groups, risking protests in his own party with his latest aggressive reach for voters who usually vote Republican.
Posted by: rickyt1234 | Aug 17, 2008 11:59:31 AM
Hey Willie, how do you explain the fact that Mccain wanted to 'go back' to the supreme court justices question, yet the topic had not yet come up? Is Mccain psychic?
Posted by: SearamblerOne | Aug 17, 2008 11:56:36 AM
Obama's answers were lengthy because he had to think to answer them. Which lets me know it was coming from a good place. The fact that McCain breezed through them and like others have said related a lot of it to war is disturbing. He didn't give substantive answers and he talked about Bush negatively, but still wants to institute a lot of the same policies. Repulicans say they don't want big government, but they have FISA, Patriot Act, trying to define marriage, trying to end abortion, Iraq War, and numerous other policies. Yes, Obama voted for the second FISA, because it is wartime right now and he notices that there is a need for it. If the war never began we wouldn't need FISA or the Patriot Act that promotes illegal search and seizures and racial profiling. People deserve their privacy and the choice to do what they please. Obama 2008!
Posted by: Marcus | Aug 17, 2008 11:50:47 AM
Every one of McCain's answers was either an old war story and/or a canned and rehearsed campaign talking point. He lacked the courtesy to allow Rick Warren the chance to finish a question, interrupting with his memorized one-liners. Sadly, McCain is war-damaged goods and knows only one approach to lead and that is to lead us to war. We need more as a country and simplistic "drill here, drill now" isn't gonna carry it. Was Obama at his peak, no. but if he was highly polished, he'd be criticized by this crowd for that as well.
Posted by: Rick_VT | Aug 17, 2008 11:05:59 AM
Obama charms with empty frases while thinking through eeh, ahhs and fruitless answers. I was not impressed with Obama answer on who influences him; family Michelle and grandmother were hollow answers to buy time, and when moving over to the administration part he simply was weak.
Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | Aug 17, 2008 10:56:46 AM
Obama charms with empty frases while thinking through eeh, ahhs and fruitless answers. I was not impressed with Obama answer on who influences him; family Michelle and grandmother were hollow answers to buy time, and when moving over to the administration part he simply was weak.
Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | Aug 17, 2008 10:56:44 AM
Just wanted to add something. The other issue with McCain style politics and beliefs is I am afraid he will be like Bush in this area. He will devote so much attention and american resources to war, that he will let things like the economy, border security, unemployment, the food and drug administration, health care, crime, prisons, rehabiltation, eduacation, etc fall into the back seat like G. Bush. If I have to call one more customer service rep and get someone in India or another visa worker. We are out sourcing all our jobs. Small and big businesses are closing their doors and our economy is sliding and unemployment is going up. People are loosing their homes because of loosing their jobs. On and On. Im scared McCain would keep us on this road. Everything he referrs to is back to his POW or military experiance with no real ideas on our economy and what we are dealing with on a daily basis. Sure he likes to use buzz terms like off shore drilling because he knows that will hit a soft spot with Americans. But if Americans do not have a job, are loosing their home, are loosing their car or truck because they cant make payments, cant get rehired because no one is hiring and small businesses hanging on by a thread, then off shore drilling doesnt do much for us. There are so many concerns and problems right now at home we cant put all the resources and the Presidents attention in to just one area like Iraq. And we cant fix the problems and put in new programs or fix the ones we have without paying for it and Obama is honest on that issue. I am a Master Chief in the Navy on my 29th year. One year to go!! I probabaly will have to open a business or get a job once I am retired. Navy pension is great but givin our current situation its just not enough. Givin our situation it would be hard to open a business when people are scrared to death and are not spending money and businesses are not hiring. I usually vote Rep. but it is time for a different aproach. Obama 08
Posted by: CW | Aug 17, 2008 10:49:56 AM
I really liked the format. Obama was having a conversation with Pastor Warren while McCain talked directly to the crowd.Obama was thoughtful and fairly open with his answers while McCain went straight to the Right. He was effective in his delivery but his responses were out of the mainstream for most undeclared voters.
Posted by: bskahn | Aug 17, 2008 10:49:23 AM
I think its just 2 different ways of seeing the canidates. Rep. will see McCain as the best and Dem will see Obama as the best. If nothing else on issues and policies alone. It comes down as to what someone thinks a leader should be and what kind of leader this country needs. Not that McCain wouldnt be a leader, and certainly not 100 percent the same as Bush but I feel he would lead like Bush and make decisions on the fly without regard to the big picture and the future. He seems he would make decisions based on his emotions instead of being thought out and what that descision might mean for us and our welfare down the road.Obama seems to be more a thinker in that he would weigh all sides of the situation before jumping to a decision. I feel he would lead the country more like a business manager and gather as much info from all sides before making a decision. An educated, thought out decision if you know what I mean. Sure McCain has more experiance than Obama but is that the end of all ends? We have dealt with Presidents that come to office with preconceived ideas like George bush. You cant sway them and they really dont care what the public thinks nor wants. Obama would be better at taking in a situation, doing his home work, looking at all the facts, consulting with the experianced men and women he will surround himseld with, looking at what his decision will mean, not only for today but what it will mean for tomorrow and even 10 years from now and for our kids and their future. I am afraid the McCain will keep us at war in one place or another for a long time and might jump the gun to quickly when dealing with international problems like Russia and Iran.For lack of better terms. McCain is a military type person and Obama is more a business type person. Experiance isnt everything as we have seen but the ability to make good well weighed decisions is, when you are making a decision that will effect millions or billions of people. Obama 08
Posted by: CW | Aug 17, 2008 10:48:50 AM
The truth is Obama sounds more liked Donald Rumsfeld. We do not need another Rumsfeld in office.
Posted by: al4mcattack | Aug 17, 2008 10:41:26 AM
Love the debate that was not a debate. This type of forum should be done more often. For the first time, the two men got a chance to speak and deliver their positions without having to be forced into a sentationalized nonsense boxing match that really only benefit the networks. I'm happy warren set a new standard for the up coming debates. I learned much more about these candidates after the forum. I must say, they are very different and america do have a real choice in November. I am so anxious to see what this country will come to. I believe both Obama and Mccain did well....just different. If you like the analytical, nuiance and not so certain positions on thing...as some say..the gray position on most issues then Obama is your man. However, if you perceive Mccain's direct, concise to the point answers as a result of a life lived, lessons learned and experience then Mccain is your man. Two distinct flavors to choose from. Fascinating election!
Posted by: Richard | Aug 17, 2008 10:41:18 AM
Mainstream religions are wrong about the trinity.
Mormons are right.
God Christ and the Holy Ghost are three separate and distinct individuals,One in Purpose not form.
And both God and Christ have a Body of Flesh and bones.While the Holy spirit is indeed a Spirit.
The Christians believe one changed scripture that says Gods a spirit and one misinterpeted scripture that says God and Christ are one.
The Mormons can show at least 6 or eight scriptures in the Holy Bible that support the trinity as Three persons ,Being only "One in purpose".
Posted by: Pray about it! | Aug 17, 2008 10:37:03 AM
I liked the format very much. I was impressed with some of Obamas answers. I was blown away with McCains.
McCain was very good and engaging. Obama at times seemed to be answering like he rehearsed the answers.
Truth be known this was not Obamas base. However it was played to the nation and it gave us a look at the candidates we have not seen as of yet.
This should shut up the "McSame" haters on quite a few blog blasts.
McCain clearly was the winner. We will see a bump in the polls midweek.
I would like to see this format going forward instead of the debates. It is much more intimate and revealing.
Posted by: RealDemocrat | Aug 17, 2008 10:32:02 AM
Warren was a poor moderator.
A moderator is supposed to moderate, he didn't.
The questions were typical, lame softball questions.
McCain angrily pandered to his base and kept going back 30 years.
Obama gave answers that were to long and nuanced for the average voter.
All in all, I'd say neither candidate hurt or helped themselves much.
I'd call it a draw.
Posted by: Ron | Aug 17, 2008 10:17:49 AM
Who cares Phelps won his 8th gold medal of the 08 Olympics 14 gold overall and 16th medal; thats news!
Posted by: pumphouseplus | Aug 17, 2008 9:35:20 AM
After listening to "THE ONE" in the interview he had with Warren, I definetely arrived a conclusion that he is not the one but instead he is the one revealed in the Bible as you know. Poor _ the one_ he was adviiced to do the role by his camp and scriptwriter, they did not help him go through the interview to convince the people that he is the one but instead he was the opposite of what his role is about. The problem of too much assuming, he ends up being assumed in the exact opposite he was trying to impress.
Posted by: darnobama | Aug 17, 2008 8:51:52 AM
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