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Rick Warren Would Have Serious Compunctions About Voting for an Adulterer, Says John Edwards Has Lost the Trust of America
August 14, 2008 9:24 PM
I had the privilege of interviewing Rick Warren today, the best-selling author of The Purpose-Driven Life and the world-famous evangelical pastor.
We came out to his congregation, Saddleback Church, in Lake Forrest , Calif., in preparation for his candidate forum this Saturday evening, featuring Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Barack Obama, D-Illinois.
Part of our conversation aired on Good Morning America Friday. You can watch the segment below.
Most of of our conversation revolved around the candidates and the forum, but I asked him some other questions as well.
One of them went as follows.
TAPPER: As a political observer and a Christian leader you must have had a personal response to the revelations about John Edwards’ personal life when he admitted he cheated on his wife. What do you think in a time like that? When you hear John Edwards tell Bob Woodruff that he’s right with his wife and he’s right with Jesus and he’s moved on, does that resonate with you or do you think, “That’s not enough, John?”
WARREN: You know, Jake there’s a difference is between forgiveness and trust. And I don’t think people understood this even as far back as, say, the Clinton scandals and things like that. The Bible teaches us that forgiveness must be instant and that we are to forgive people instantly when they sin because of three reasons: first, we’ve been forgiven by God; second, resentment makes you miserable; and third you’re going to need more forgiveness in the future.
“Forgive us our debts as we forgive those who’ve trespassed against us.” So forgiveness has to be immediate but trust has to be rebuilt. Forgiveness is by grace. Trust is by works. And so if a woman’s husband is beating her and he comes back to the door and says, “Will, you forgive me?” She has to forgive him. “Yes, I forgive you.” “Will you let me back into the house?” “No, that’s another matter.”
You have to earn that trust. All leadership is built on trust. It’s built on credibility. If you don’t have credibility, if you don’t have authenticity, if you don’t have trust, you’re not a leader even if you have the title. And the moment you lose the trust of the American public you’re no longer the leader. You may still have the title but you’re not it. It takes years to build trust and you can lose it instantly -- and it takes even longer to rebuild.
John Edwards and others like him have lost the trust of America because they lied, and fundamentally beneath every affair it’s dishonesty, its deceit, its deception. They’re lying to God. They’re lying to themselves. They’re lying to their wives and they’re lying to the public. How do you trust someone who’s constantly lying? You can’t. That’s why it is a myth to say their personal life doesn’t matter. It does matter -- all of leadership is built on credibility.
TAPPER: Would you have compunctions about voting for someone who had cheated on his wife?
WARREN: Absolutely I would. Absolutely I would. Because if you can’t keep your faith to your most sacred vow – “’til death do us part” -- how in the world can I trust you to lead my family? My government? My nation?...Absolutely I would. I think people first need to ask forgiveness and then earn trust back over time Can trust be re-earned? Absolutely but it takes time.
- jpt
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MM:
If you really believe what you just wrote, then maybe you should run for office......Do you think you would do any different or better?
Posted by: shalom | Aug 15, 2008 10:44:48 AM
I think Michele makes a good point here:
So, I guess that means he won't be voting for John McCain?
Posted by: Michele | Aug 14, 2008 9:32:22 PM
Posted by: shalom | Aug 15, 2008 10:39:34 AM
Fact is, infidelity is a PRIVATE matter. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with how a person will effectively manage this country. It is a sad day when all people care about is infidelity in their candidate's past, rather than where this person stands on issues common to your own personal interests. But then again, when they all lie and cheat and pander to the corporations who give them the most money, they leave us with no alternatives to judge them by. If you honestly think that Obama and McCain are listening to you... WISE UP. Wake up and smell the coffee. Every speech is nothing more than PANDERING to what you want to hear. In the end, they are going to do whatever their biggest corporate contributors want.
Posted by: MM | Aug 15, 2008 10:38:13 AM
tigercub: The Rev said we ask for forgiveness and then earn trust. He didn't say don't trust the ever again. Don't you agree that people should earn trust once they have lost it? That's they way i read his comments.
Posted by: Doug | Aug 15, 2008 10:36:32 AM
Funny... I wonder who he'd vote for if his choices were John Edwards, and Richard Nixon? Then, I'm left wondering who he might have cast his vote for in 1996 - could it have been Bill Clinton? By '96 he was an adulterer.
Posted by: MM | Aug 15, 2008 10:33:23 AM
I have some serious concerns about this story...
How can a person truly forgive without forgetting. Jesus said turn the other cheek. I am troubled by the Christian leaders who keep telling us fogive but don't forget. Or forgive and wait for them to re-earn our trust. If that were trule the case we would all be forgiven but none of us would trust anyone else. Is this the Christian state Jesus ushered in with his resurrection? It seems to me a little bit on the hypocritical side, but who am I to judge, I guess I will leave that to the Christian leaders.
Jesus did say let those without sin cast the first stone.
Posted by: tigercub | Aug 15, 2008 10:31:02 AM
Mary: your right, being a POW doesn't justify cheating. But doesn't it justify the man's love for his country?
Posted by: Doug | Aug 15, 2008 10:27:07 AM
For the atheists who don't believe in God, you are in for one big surprise on judgment day. Also, for those of you bashing Rick Warren. This country was built on Christian principles. He is simply stating the obvious. Those without morals do not make good leaders.
Posted by: Ronda | Aug 15, 2008 10:24:37 AM
I totally agree with you, Gail, and I think Doug also makes a good point. I am much more concerned with how the country is going to be run than about who is sleeping with whom.
Posted by: OSURubydoo | Aug 15, 2008 10:19:13 AM
Who the heck is Rick Warren and why should I care what he thinks?
Posted by: jock59801 | Aug 15, 2008 10:17:11 AM
Ron Paul would be the only candidate that fits Pastor Warrens criteria, yet he was branded a nut, and did not appeal to the majority of Americans. Though not perfect the Dr/US Representative has is very intelligent, well read, honesty , integrity, Faithful to his spouse, has a great record of working for the people. I don't think this is what America really wants or he would have at the very least been taken more seriously.
Posted by: Gina | Aug 15, 2008 10:17:10 AM
I understand that some might want to paint everyone with the same broad brush in that cheating is a trust issue. To say that one cannot vote for John Sydney McCain III because he cheated is in the hands of the voter. That this man Warren is so influential to evangelical voters may sow more doubt in their minds about McCain. This is another area where McCain has problems. No one under 55 trusts him so he has to run a negative campaign against Obama. His campaign has and will always be about what we should NOT do as opposed to what we CAN do together as a nation. That kind of tied old politics is not what the country needs. Forget that he cheated on his wife but remember the negativity spewing from his campaign.
Posted by: Tommy Thompson | Aug 15, 2008 10:15:57 AM
If everyone wants to deal with adultery issues, then JOHN MCCAIN is fair game! I wish they would all say "it is none of anyone's damn business" and stay focused on the real issues that plague us-Healthcare, Energy, War, etc. What a waste of time, but I guess the media has nothing better to do and the public is fixated on this nonsense. I wonder how people would respond if they were "outed" for things they do in their personal lives?
Posted by: gail lehmann | Aug 15, 2008 10:15:20 AM
OSURubydoo said: I'm glad so many people know about McCain's philandering because he certainly hasn't been outed by the media the way Edwards or Clinton were.
I think it's because McCain's infidelity was 30 years ago. Clinton cheated and lied to all of us on national TV while shaking his finger to protest his innocense. Edwards situation just came to light. I'm not condoning McCain's actions but I would hope he has grown a bit since then. Hope that answers your question.
Posted by: Doug | Aug 15, 2008 10:14:19 AM
I am not voting for Sen. McCain. It is not because of his past. It is clear to me that he's caught in a time warp. He is technologically challenged.
I am a spiritual person and I will leave it up to my maker to forgive Sen. McCain for his transgression.
What I have a problem with is Sen. Obama has been politically active for almost 20 YEARS, as a community organizer, and as he worked his way through the city and state gov't of
IL. I truly believe that if there were issues about his moral creditibility the CLINTON's would have found them.
I have never expected my candidate to "Walk On Water". The only misstep I have seen in regard to women was a remark to a reporter "sweetie" and thank the Lord, I hope we have gotten past it. I believe Sen Obama has shown a great deal of respect to Sen. Clinton & Sen. McCain for their respective careers.
This election is about the 21st Century and I truly do not believe that Sen. McCain has the ability to juggle all of the NEW and constantly changing circumstances.
I know this forum will be about faith.
Sen Obama has faith. He is a bi-racial child that has dealt with an absent father, a atep-father who took him out of the country, he spent time with his grandparents and went through some tough teens years, he went through college on scholarships and paid back his student loans and has watch his mother navigate the health insurnace system and die of cancer. He believe in hard work and he beileves in this country and that it can be better from the bottom up. What elese do you want to know? He is not a Rock Star. Whether he eat eggs or grapefruit or romaine or arugula I don't care.
He has certainly called it inregard to the economic problem we are now facing because we INVADED another country. Afghastan asked for our help Iraq didn't.
I am an American FIRST!!! not a rep or dem or a liberal or conservative.
Posted by: Lonestarkaty | Aug 15, 2008 10:11:18 AM
I don't know whats worse - pop star religous figures claiming to represent the humble and meek king Jesus or the unrepentant here who deny Gods rule over their lives and despise even the mercy He shows to such wicked sinners.
Posted by: Jim | Aug 15, 2008 10:10:31 AM
I wonder if Mr Warren would vote for someone who has remarried? In many peoples eyes that is adultery. Is this another case though of the religious right being hypocritical and viewing the left through different eyes as they do the right?
Posted by: markymark | Aug 15, 2008 10:09:46 AM
I'm glad so many people know about McCain's philandering because he certainly hasn't been outed by the media the way Edwards or Clinton were.
Posted by: OSURubydoo | Aug 15, 2008 10:08:31 AM
I think this is an excellent answer. However, for Benjamin, he did say trust can be rebuilt. If McCain cheated on his first wife, that would have happened over 30 years ago. I think McCain has had ample time to rebuild some of that trust.
Not saying that I'm going to vote for him, but my reasons don't include infidelity from 30 years in the past.
Posted by: Steve | Aug 15, 2008 10:05:24 AM
I guess McCain is also out of the question too.
Posted by: antenian | Aug 15, 2008 10:00:18 AM
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