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Saddleback Spokesman on Cone-of-Silence-Gate
August 18, 2008 3:37 PM
A. Larry Ross, a spokesman for Saddleback Church and Pastor Rick Warren, says that the campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has assured the organizers of Saturday night's "Civil Forum" that McCain did not "see or hear any of Senator Obama's appearance."
But as for the question the McCain campaign won't answer -- did anyone with McCain, given the questions via email or cell phone, share them with the senator -- Ross says, "I cannot speak to that."
Before the forum, Ross says, "both candidates agreed to the format of two consecutive interviews." Based on a coin toss, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, went first, and both candidates also "agreed to and understood that in order to maintain a level playing field, Sen. McCain wouldn't see or hear any of Sen. Obama's appearance."
Officials at Saddleback did everything they could to maintain what Warren jokingly called a "cone of silence."
"We made every efforts on the campus" to maintain an integrity to the process, Ross says. In the green room where McCain waited for Obama to finish, a Saddleback staffer even went in and "completely disabled" a TV monitor. "He made sure there was no signal in that room."
Last week Warren spoke with both candidates -- McCain on Thursday, Obama on Friday -- and outlined the four basic categories of the questions. "He also gave them general themes," Ross says, "like, 'There will be a tax question,' 'There will be an environment question.' He did not give them specific wording except on two questions, and he did that because this forum was new ground and he didn't want them to be nervous, he wanted them to be comfortable."
Those two questions were: What is your greatest moral failure and the greatest moral failure of the United States?; and who are the three wisest people you know?
Warren also decided to press his proposal to have an emergency fund to care for orphans, and decided to give them a heads up, but he was only able to reach Obama with that question, partly because McCain arrived late, Ross says, at around 5:20 pm Pacific.
"So it was a level playing field except Obama had the extra Intel of that question," Ross says.
Ross demurred when asked if it bothers him or Pastor Warren that the McCain campaign has so far refused to say no one told the senator about the questions Obama was asked, though he did note that "the language the McCain campaign used" in its conversations with Saddleback officials was that he didn't hear or see the broadcast itself.
August 18, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (342)
Whether someone agrees with McCain's stance on particular issues or not---there's no denying that he's got fire in the belly! You can tell he enjoys learning about new ideas, but he has enough experience to not lose himself in them.
Obama looks like an aspiring, tentative college sophomore in comparison, willful yet eager to please. He's heard a lot of ideas, a great many of them within the l (sp?) in an effort to figure out what he thinks he is "supposed" to say, what the appropriate tune is for the ambiance of the moment, rather than what he believes. One wonders if he even knows what he believes about most things yet.
Obama isn't "cooked" enough to have an INITIAL set of specific convictions, much less ones that have been reconsidered and abridged. Too much go, go, go to the next rung on the ladder, no time for the bread to rise.
Posted by: aural margin | Aug 20, 2008 6:06:50 PM
Issues related to abortion, medical/research ethics are tied to judicial appointments, which are a priority for McCain. McCain wanted to "get back to" the whole issue; for him talking about abortion IS talking about Supreme Court justices.
Just stating his pro=life stance doesn't tell the whole story, and that's why he wanted "to go back" and finish his statement so that people don't think he wants to stick in a constitutional amendment BANNING abortion nationwide.
HE is pro-life, but he wants individual states to deal with such matters; thus his statements that he is a Federalist.
Posted by: aural margin | Aug 20, 2008 5:50:45 PM
I thought McCain was in a sound booth??? He seemed to answer the question before it was asked. Look at the transcript when asked about abortion John McCain says he’s Pro-life (which I don’t doubt,) but I think his senile kicked in because he asked about “going back to the Supreme Court positions” 3 questions before it was asked. I believe he sees into the future.
Posted by: JD | Aug 20, 2008 8:12:42 AM
Mark, McCain didn't cheat, he was with the Secret Service and other people. Obama's people always do this. Everytime, Hillary won a debate, and she won them all, Obama and his thugs threw fits. Many people think the only reason Obama was half way decent in those debates was that she always spoke first and he could say "I agree."(What was appalling to many of us was that the MSM always had her speak first, because they were and are in the tank for Obama.)
McCain was with Secret Service, another Senator, aides, and Warren's people. McCain was good, because he is used to a Townhall format. Obama likes to read speeches, that others write for him, from a teleprompter.
Again, the Obama people and the MSM are following their same old, same old tactics. Obama puts out talking points and the MSM spreads his cry-baby crap. I love the letter the McCain campaign sent to NBC/MSNBC boss calling them on Andrea (Mrs.Allan Greenspan) Mitchell's lack of jounalistic ethics in repeating Obama's poor-loser crap. (They have asked for a meeting.)
Unfortunately, its really too bad that Obama can't talk from the heart about matters concerning faith and ethics instead of pandering to the right, left, and everything in between. McCain has bucked the system so many times that he is not afraid to tell people what he thinks and what he has done.
So, Mark, don't trash an American war hero, because your candidate couldn't cut it. Anybody in politics should have figured out what kind of questions were going to be asked in that setting. Perhaps Obama should have come back a little earlier from that vacation in Hawaii, especially since he took a break a bit ago.
McCain is an older man, he hasn't taken a break, and there is film they play of him carrying his own luggage when the media wrote his campaign off. McCain didn't cry and throw hissey fits. McCain sucked it up, like Clinton did when she was in trouble, and they both proved that they are worthy of the Office of the US Presidency. (It's the American way.)
If Obama can't take the heat, as the saying goes, he should get out of the kitchen. This time Americans are going to pick a person who is worthy to be POTUS. Cry-babies needn't apply.
Posted by: BJinChicago | Aug 20, 2008 7:12:13 AM
Barry lost!! Even if he had a disadvantage on the questions, and I haven't heard one bit of factual evidence to lend credence to this accusation, he is supposed to be SUPERIOR in all respects.
He is not!
Did Senator Obama say that a TYPICAL BLACK PERSON can’t qualify to be on the supreme court of the US? Justice Thomas grew up in Pinpoint and Savanna Georgia and faced REAL prejudice in his life unlike Barack Obama growing up in multicultural Hawaii and Jakarta with few to no blacks or prejudice against blacks.
I would put up Justice Thomas’ professional and life experiences to Barack’s any day!!!
Justice Thomas could have easily beaten Senator Obama at Saddleback or in any forum/debate!!
Posted by: HANK4 | Aug 19, 2008 2:16:36 PM
All the phoney indignation of Republicans at McCHEATER getting caught, will pale to their indignation when they read Obama is gaining in polls, in battleground States that no one EVER thought would be challenged there, by a Democratic candidate.
Read and Weep.
Obama went into the belly of the BEAST at Saddleback Church in Orange County where 75% voted for Cheney/Bush TWICE.
Where would you Republicans like your next IMPARTIAL debate, Haliburton Board Room, Pfizer's Lobby, or Exxon oil rig?
Posted by: mark | Aug 19, 2008 1:17:09 PM
Is it a fact that Pastor Warren was under the impression that Senator McCain was in an adjoing room when Senator Obama was being asked questions? Is it a fact that Senator McCain was in reality riding in his motorcade during at least part of the time of Obama's questioning? Is it plausible that Senator McCain, and not the Senator himself, could have "seen and/or heard" the Obama segment and shared it with whoever was intersted?! These are simple, and not nuanced questions, that desrve simple answers. At a more substantive level, yes, Senator McCain gave straight answers, but not the questions that were asked! Whenever a presidential candidate oversimplifies the issues of faith and religion, it makes me nervous. Religious fanatics often do that. I know Senator McCain is not a fanatic. Was he than playing to the gallery. That too makes me nervous.
Posted by: saif1028 | Aug 19, 2008 1:12:02 PM
"McCain thinks five million a year is considered tobe rich then I am not even poor just invisible."
Rich is not a figure question. It is a lifestyle question. Given a principal of some n dollars, how large does that n have to be to generate enough income to enable you to live at some target lifestyle without touching the principal and you not having to work?
Hint: Not being required to work is a pretty common definition of 'rich'., that is, you can live on your investments.
Remember, you have to pay for all of the necessaries your employer is paying for right now such as health insurance, your kids college, etc. etc. etc.
You may find out you aren't just invisible, you're turning into a black hole. $5 million properly invested will keep that from happening.
Posted by: len | Aug 19, 2008 11:53:14 AM
Let's not forget we are talking about a man who lied on national tv about wearing body armor during his infamous Baghdad market trip. He even said that Patraeus rode around in an unamored vehicle.
Some are saying the man would not lie simply because he was a POW. Does it get any more incredible than that?
Posted by: MsSwin | Aug 19, 2008 11:07:50 AM
Obama should learn to speak a laymans language. someone has just explained his 'above my paygrade' comment at Saddleback. "It showed at the same time that he highly respects the opinions of both scientists and theologians, and that it isn't his job to play God". The question of when a foetus is entitled to 'human right' is an unsettled question among theologians but the press are not telling us that. What I initially thought was a dodging of the question was indeed a very thoughful answer.
Posted by: Daniel | Aug 19, 2008 11:00:38 AM
War is worse than abortion.
remember that simple fact.
it will help you penetrate the cone of silence.
Posted by: Chuck Darling | Aug 19, 2008 10:35:12 AM
I really liked the 'above my paygrade' comment. It showed at the same time that he highly respects the opinions of both scientists and theologians, and that it isn't his job to play God. Meanwhile McCain has a pat answer to a question that has befuddled both for centuries (you wouldn't know it from the media but this is actually not settled doctrine for most theologians).
Posted by: Mike | Aug 19, 2008 9:19:10 AM
Whether he saw the questions before hand would be revealed in the coming days, weeks or months before the General Elections.
And be sure that Americans would feel let down by Mccain, who they expect to be above board.
And this singular act of deceit will cost him the Elections by a wide margin.
So if some of you paid surrogates of Mccain are on this blog, kindly advise him to be Man enough to own up.
Its only human for him to watch or listen in. If it were to be Obama that was running late by half-an-hour, I'm sure he would have listen in or gladly receive heads-ups from his campaign Staff through his Blackberries.
We are all human that is one of the numerous ways makes God Supreme. God is infallible but we are fallible.
Posted by: Dare Nigeria | Aug 19, 2008 8:30:49 AM
The morning news shows have already ... though grudgingly ... declared John McCain the winner of the forum and Andrea Mitchell is apparently hiding in her cave; no mouthy remarks from her lately. The question now is this: When John McCain is elected President; will Obama still have a job ... anywhere?
Posted by: Back From Iraq | Aug 19, 2008 8:04:09 AM
In my opinion, I wish the Church could steer clear of Politics. America is Multi-racial and Multi-religious.
The President of the United States presides over the whole Country. Churches should serves as wise and moral counsels to Politicians and not institute a semblance of debates.
When a Church tries to enter the murky waters of Politics, this is what happens.
It is like a Chicken that perches on a rope. There will be no rest for the Rope and neither will there be for the Chicken.
Posted by: Dare Nigeria | Aug 19, 2008 7:24:20 AM
For all those who voted for and wanted Hillary to be the nominee for our Party (as I am one of those)but are upset because she did not get the nod,get over it please it is your type who will cross over and vote for a party (I have nothing personnally against McCain,I am sure he is a decent man)but the Republican party in of itself is the thing people should be very upset with not the fact your person did not win the nomination. Please pick up your ball and be good sports. Do not make the worst mistake of your life by voting for Mccain and continuing the assault on our countries integity and you own sensibilites.Democracts need to unite or go down in defeat in more ways than one.Remember these words if mcCain becomes President God forbid any of my Sons have to fight needless wars in the name of my country. God Bless us all.
Posted by: Victor | Aug 19, 2008 7:11:13 AM
The party that starts looking for implausible and unprovable conspiracy theories about the opposition candidate is in trouble.
Posted by: Sally J. | Aug 19, 2008 6:52:32 AM
This whole "cone of silence" controversy was cooked up by Axelrod to deflect examination of Obama's answers at the forum. Most notably -
When he just caught himself from saying that Clarence Thomas didn't have the EXPERIENCE to be appointed to the Supreme Court.
When he said that determining the time life starts was ABOVE HIS PAYGRADE.
When he said that two of the wisest people he knows, whose council he seeks before making major decisions, were MICHELLE and his typical white GRANDMA.
These answers from one who would lead our nation through these troubled times do not inspire confidence in voters. Conversely, John McCain's answers were straightforward and without flinching. Agree with him or not, you know where he stands, and his performance inspired confidence in voters that America will be in good hands under a President McCain.
Posted by: marylou | Aug 19, 2008 6:10:47 AM
i am voting mccain BECAUSE he is not obama, oops, soetoro.
Posted by: tr | Aug 19, 2008 6:07:02 AM
The Obama Blame Game is wearing really thin. Obama turns in yet another abyssmal performance when he actually has to answer questions as opposed to reading a teleprompter. Then it's everybody's fault but his. Choose one:
a. His opponent cheated
b. The forum was biased against him
c. The moderator was biased against him
d. All of the above
So you're basically admitting that Obama can only perform well when everything is completely fair and balanced with no chance of Obama being hoodwinked and bamboozled. I'm sure America's worst enemies will be glad to know of your confidence in the abilities of this potential POTUS.
Posted by: marylou | Aug 19, 2008 6:05:26 AM
People hate Obama because he has a platform and substance. They hate Obama because he is smarter than McCain on every issue. People hate McCain because he's McCain..Straight (narrow) talk (lies) that prove one thing. Age doesnt make him wise it just makes him a better liar.
Posted by: Lorraine, NC | Aug 19, 2008 5:17:46 AM
McCain thinks five million a year is considered tobe rich then I am not even poor just invisible. He thought the country was showing growth and prosperity until he left the bubble he lives in and realized people are suffering. My family and our friends want a president the knows the price of gas, mild, bread, and understands how energy and waste are problems we don't want to leave our childen. I was born and raised republican, but I am never making that mistake again. Fool me once its on you fool me twice it's on me. I was fooled again and again by the republicans, but will not be fooled again.
Posted by: Lorraine, NC | Aug 19, 2008 4:52:18 AM
What's up with Barack Obama bringing up armed conflict with China, just for kicks? Why would that be at the top of his head? And of all weeks to pay lip service to "Bosnia"--first Hillary takes a dive talking about "sniper fire," and now this. Troublemakers.
Posted by: marge | Aug 19, 2008 3:08:40 AM
I can't believe believe that some people think it do not matter if McCain had known the questions before hand or not, he still appear strong and presidential. The matter is INTEGRITY.
Posted by: steve | Aug 19, 2008 2:29:44 AM
Except for the abortion question, Obama did a great job with the questions. It was a difficult answer for a pro-choice candidate, but he needed to phrase it better. The answers were far better rounded and more intellectual. McCain's answers were war and more war.
McCain "I will chase bin Laden to the gates of hell," is his standard stump farce. I know how to get bin Laden and win wars, but you have to elect me first before I will share my genesis.
I do not know why General Petraeus is at the top of his list since McCain already knows how to do something that Petraeus has not been able to accomplish.
Posted by: Julie | Aug 19, 2008 2:20:24 AM
gl...that's right, all us angry Hillary supporters are just going to join hands and sing Obama's praises after the convention....NOT. Many thousands of us will be backing Senator John Sydney McCain and that's a fact, as much as many Obots want to think otherwise. Can't wait til the analysis is done after Obama loses and they see it was the women voter block that was Obama's problem.....we HILLARY SUPPORTERS FOR McCAIN!
Posted by: Debra | Aug 19, 2008 1:46:07 AM
Obama is not up yet becasue of Hilliary angry supporters. I can not wait until this convention is over and Hillilary angry supporters have to let go of their dream and support Obama.
Posted by: gl | Aug 19, 2008 12:56:25 AM
Until Saturday i was a strong Obama supporter because he was a different kind of politician. After seeing him bob and weave with each question he has proven to me he is just another politicain. Say anything to win. It's depressing but I don't know what he stands for anymore, if anything. At least McCain says what he believes.
Posted by: Dan | Aug 19, 2008 12:26:31 AM
Monday night, 655pm, during World News Tonight...
Rick Warren advertises his book.
First time in a long time. An expensive buy. Maybe.
Or did Charlie Gibson suggest it?
Posted by: kravitz | Aug 19, 2008 12:26:15 AM
"I am not like some whites who will never vote for a black person to be the President.
Posted by: gl | Aug 19, 2008 12:19:59 AM
________________
Nor am I!
But Barack Obama is N O T a Colin Powell!!!!
Posted by: EYES OPENING | Aug 19, 2008 12:24:00 AM
gl
If you think that the dems are really for everybody take a good look at the major cities of this country, especially Detroit and Cleveland. Dems have controlled the governments in those cities for decades ... AND THEY CONTINUE TO BE A DISASTER. ONE WOULD THINK THAT YOU PEOPLE WOULD SOMEHOW WAKE UP!!!
Posted by: Manitu | Aug 19, 2008 12:22:20 AM
LMAO!!
Obama didn't want to be first, because he could not piggyback on McCain answers like he did with Hillary Clinton's.
Remember how it went '-I agree with Hillary, and blah, blah,(insert her ideas here, changing a few words), blah blah, (insert some nonsense here), blah blah' (Applause)
Posted by: Rick | Aug 19, 2008 12:06:30 AM
There is scuttlebutt that Georgia was but Putin's test to see Obama's response. Better than he had hoped for. Interesting days ahead??
Posted by: Jimbo | Aug 18, 2008 11:42:29 PM
Makes you wonder, what IS his pay grade ? Higher than necessary, I guess.
Posted by: mikewolf9 | Aug 18, 2008 11:39:55 PM
I don't see way being vetted by this purpose driven nut is so important. But, that's America today. Used to be called pandering. Obama's fumbling when off script is nothing new. McCain was passable, no better.
Posted by: mikewolf9 | Aug 18, 2008 11:37:46 PM
Isn't it obvious that the McCain campaign broke the cone of silence and deliberately made Barack Obama sound terrible at Saddleback?
Only losers accuse their opponents of cheating, so I guess that means the Obama campaign understands that Obama lsot.
So true!
Posted by: gl | Aug 18, 2008 11:31:12 PM
Obama's performance in CA was just awful. McCain looked presidential. Obama looked exactly like the political hack that he is...
Posted by: Jimbo | Aug 18, 2008 11:29:44 PM
It was a free speech forum giving the candidates a chance to present their positions to the audience.
Even if the Obama fans were to eliminate McCain from this forum, Obama, on his own, still would have come out as a salesman who had not done his homework for an important presentation.
I can't remember a presidential candidate ever giving a more preposterous answer as Obama's "It's above my pay grade."
Of course, the adoring media loved it and called it "nuanced."
I would suggest a new entry in the Merriam Webster dictionary of the word "nuanced", euphemism for "flip flop."
Posted by: Donoke9-10 | Aug 18, 2008 11:29:04 PM
'But as for the question the McCain campaign won't answer -- did anyone with McCain, given the questions via email or cell phone, share them with the senator -- Ross says, "I cannot speak to that."'
Obviously Ross can't answer that as he is connected with the church, not with the McCain campaign. So who has asked the McCain campaign these questions, when, and where? I find no reference to these questions being asked of the McCain campaign on any other news site. Did you yourself ask the campaign, and if so, what was there response to you(exact quote and source please).
Remember: who, what, when, where and why?
Posted by: You're kidding | Aug 18, 2008 11:20:36 PM
Obama supporters are to dumb to understand this, but knocking McCain's military record is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE!! NOTICE THAT OBAMA DOES NOT TOUCH IT... WHY?? OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE ANY MILITARY RECORD... DUH...
Posted by: Jimbo | Aug 18, 2008 11:20:10 PM
So why are all the POW's say McCain is lying about being tortured when he wasn't. None of them got tortured.
He stayed because they pampered him not tortured him.
His legs and arm where broke on his landing in winter cold ground.. I checked the two guys stories of the whole times he was there...
They kept him in a bed while the other where kept to sleep on a floor..
Posted by: Megan | Aug 18, 2008 11:18:04 PM
How stupid does Obama have to be not to be prepared for an abortion question at a evangelican church question and answer? Then to claim McCain cheated because Obama wasn't prepared? Obama is really a very dumb guy. If he is pro-choice then he needed to stand up and take a position----the line he gave about it being above his paygrade to make a decision was stupid. What does he think presidents do when they nominate Supreme Court judges that decide on Rowe vs. Wade.
Posted by: chattyway | Aug 18, 2008 11:12:43 PM
Pop.
Sixty percent? Source??
Posted by: Temagami | Aug 18, 2008 11:06:41 PM
Obama is a very good speaker when reading from a teleprompter. THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT. THERE IS REALLY NOTHING MORE!! BAGGAGE, NOT QUALIFIED, NO EXPERIENCE, CRAZY IDEAS AND SUPPORTED BY MARXISTS FROM FARTHER LEFT THAN HIMSELF!!
Posted by: Jimbo | Aug 18, 2008 11:03:24 PM
line 10 thru 19
Posted by: ramaci | Aug 18, 2008 11:00:15 PM
Susan, how about an education in DC? Most bucks per kid and poorest achievement. MS in ED.
Posted by: Manitu | Aug 18, 2008 10:54:11 PM
There is a video of McCain watching Obama being interviewed by Rick Warren on the T.V. inside his limo......pass it on
Posted by: Henry | Aug 18, 2008 10:52:15 PM
Face it..McCain will be the next POTUS! Obama will face more criticism in the coming day...more and more dems are voting for McCain, not only because of Hillary, but they are beginning to see that Obama is a fraud..will do ANYTHING to get into the WH...won't happen! Obama and his group of thugs can go back to Chicago! Good riddance to bad rubbish!!
Posted by: mfmros | Aug 18, 2008 10:48:30 PM
James... DREAM ON.......
Posted by: Manitu | Aug 18, 2008 10:46:02 PM
Me too.....abortion was about the only thing I could get behind Obama on and was shocked that he wimped out and wouldn't answer directly about where he stood on the subject. He lacks a spine and common sense----he'd make a horrible president and I think most are realizing it. He should have just answered honestly and stood his ground on supporting abortion.
Posted by: chattyway | Aug 18, 2008 10:45:04 PM
Why are Republicans switching party's in drove this year to support Obama?
Must be the need to protect their seats or they hate what the Republicans have as a Candidate..
Mccain is not fit for President PERIOD~~
Posted by: James | Aug 18, 2008 10:40:45 PM
Obama cannot get out more than five words without stopping to .... whatever. Can't wait when he actually talks to Putin!!!
Posted by: Manitu | Aug 18, 2008 10:34:54 PM
the candidate does not speak for the campaign.
Posted by: tad hominem | Aug 18, 2008 10:30:58 PM
Young Evangelicals are voting for Obama this year.. They are 10 Million to only 5 Million adults evangelicals..
Bye bye McCain,turn the lights offs when your thru lying about how you will get Bin Laden and how you know how to win wars..Tool!!
Posted by: Rick | Aug 18, 2008 10:30:13 PM
OBAMA. "THAT IS OVER MY PAY GRADE???" WOW, IS THAT EVER PRESIDENTIAL!!!
Posted by: Manitu | Aug 18, 2008 10:27:57 PM
Obama tells the truth to win this election.
McCain needs to lie and cheat to win voters!!
McCain is a joke and a vile moron..
He couldn't run his nose let alone POTUS
Posted by: Sharon | Aug 18, 2008 10:27:11 PM
McCain would like more Troops to die forhis war rather than bring them home when the leaders of Iraq wants us out..
McCain doesn't care about people, he cares about Bullets and killing..
Posted by: Sharon | Aug 18, 2008 10:24:56 PM
OBAMA HAS STILL NOT LEARNED THE PRINCIPALS OF THE SEVEN Ps. PRIOR PROPER PLANNING PREVENTS ___ POOR PERFORMANCE!!!
Posted by: Temagami | Aug 18, 2008 10:23:45 PM
When McLiar told the story of XMAS that someone drew a cross in the snow, I had to say this can't happen..
I am conservative and now will vote for Obama..
We don't need a liar in White House..
we are getting rid of all of them...
Posted by: Mary | Aug 18, 2008 10:21:32 PM
McCain already knew the answers as he DID HIS HOMEWORK AND WAS PREPARED.. OBAMA WAS TERRIBLE!!!
Posted by: Manitu | Aug 18, 2008 10:21:00 PM
The bad news for McCain is that he'll have to explain the ramifications of his assertion that the conceptus has rights from conception. Should the birth control pill millions of American women take be made illegal, given that it sometimes prevents implantation of the conceptus? How about the Morning After pill?
Should the practice of fertility clinics discarding unused embryos be made illegal?
Should women who're raped be forced to carry the conceptus to term?
Does ensoulment occur at conception? If the conceptus subsequently divides, does each part get half a soul?
It'll be interesting to see if McCain can suck up to evangelicals without losing millions of women and Independents.
Posted by: Odin | Aug 18, 2008 10:19:48 PM
It must be real sad time in this Country when you have a Pastor totally lying to his Congregation and America..
Pastor Warren you lost your biggest supporters..
Young Evangelics for Obama!!
Posted by: Mary | Aug 18, 2008 10:19:02 PM
Warren said McWarmoger could not have heard because the secret service would have reported it. He is wrong, that is not secret service job to report what a candidate is doing inside the car. Have you ever heard of secret service reporting on what a candidate is doing inside the car. Warren seems to be covering for himself, because it's embarrassment and Warren's reputation is on the line. Also, he said it could have been as much as 10 minutes McWarmoger was not in the cone of silence. Still, Warren does not know for sure.
Posted by: suv2001 | Aug 18, 2008 10:19:01 PM
I hope the press goes over this seriously. If Obama pulled this, you know they would.
Posted by: Blip | Aug 18, 2008 10:18:51 PM
McCain is the most flawed moron we have in Politics..
he makes Bush seem intelligent....
Posted by: Ben | Aug 18, 2008 10:15:12 PM
I didn’t realize until last night that McCain can lie with such a straight face….. The Democrats went after Hillary for her Bosnia story, but are giving McCain a free pass. Even Rick Warren allowed McCain to talk endlessly about his captivity. How can I trust anything that Rick Warren says. Tonight on Larry King he went out of his way to help John McCain by stating how sensitive McCain was that he teared up 3 times……….WOW……
Rick Warren…..
“How was it like in the CONE OF SILENCE ”
John McCain….
“I tried to put my head against the wall to see if I could hear any of the answers” Laugh Laugh
It’s not the deed … it’s the cover up…. Why is the McCain camp all riled up ? He cheated.
Why wasn’t his answer ” You know Rick… I have to be honest… but he wasn’t.
Note to McCain......
Don't answer a question before it's asked.....
Posted by: Ron | Aug 18, 2008 10:14:48 PM
I think it is fine for people to question McCain's performance. Clearly Warren trusted him. McCain acted like a diva and showed up late (and maybe even cheated). And now Warren is taking heat for it.
I would seriously question the integrity of someone who would force Warren to take the heat for McCain's poor time managment skills (or dishonesty).
I think that most voters are going to see it for what it is.
Posted by: blip | Aug 18, 2008 10:14:17 PM
This is great...the more the Obots complain the more each and every Evangelical votes McCain, as they are questioning Rick Warren's integrity. The guy adressed it tonight on CNN, end of story. I still want McCain to request a rematch and HE'LL GO FIRST. Anywhere, anytime Nobama!
Posted by: Debra | Aug 18, 2008 10:11:10 PM
Puma's only had 52,000 members that only donated 25k to Hillary, BWAAAAA!!!
LOL!!
Posted by: rick | Aug 18, 2008 10:08:20 PM
Did you all noticed; Obama tipped his head to the right with he is lying or nervous. Take a look at some of his past debates and interviews. He never performed well when his head tip to the right.
Posted by: willie | Aug 18, 2008 10:07:48 PM
Republicans are voting for Obama now more than ever jsut to keep their own seats in the House...
Wow!!
Bye bye neosapacons...
Posted by: gerry | Aug 18, 2008 10:06:16 PM
Boy... McCain is choosing his words carefully. He didn't see or hear Obama... but he won't answer the question of whether or not someone else listened to Obama and answered the questions for him.
What a wimp. Just admit it... you agreed to be there in the "cone of silence"... you weren't.
Spare us all this Bill Clinton, what is the meaning of "is" nonsense!
Posted by: blip | Aug 18, 2008 10:06:14 PM
Geevill: I heard today, Obama’s camp and the DNC are becoming a little upset with Obama because he cannot express more details his plan for change.
Posted by: Quincy | Aug 18, 2008 10:02:40 PM
McCain is lying about the specifics of his foreknowlege. This is obvious to anyone except, apparently, folks who are totally unable to consider any other candidate.
Posted by: JP | Aug 18, 2008 9:54:37 PM
Obama is going to lose. can you feel the panic
Posted by: geevill | Aug 18, 2008 9:51:56 PM
Okay. Let's eliminate McCain's answers. Now explain Obama's pathetic responses?
Posted by: geevill | Aug 18, 2008 9:47:37 PM
McCain is a LIAR and a CHEATER. And apparently his mind is so addled that he can't even remember that when he is reciting his SCRIPTED lines, the question from Brother Warren is supposed to come BEFORE the answer from McCain.
Posted by: Jackie | Aug 18, 2008 9:40:54 PM
Why did McCain lie about being in the cone of silence? Why did he not admit that he was not there and give his reason. Why did he deliberately mislead the audience? Do we really want four more years of someone who is not honest with the American people? If he lies about something as minor as his whereabouts, can we trust him to tell the truth about something major? I respect him for his many years of service; however, he is an adulterer and he is not fit to shine President Bush's shoes- let alone to fill them.
Posted by: Outraged | Aug 18, 2008 9:39:59 PM
This black woman will voting for McCain. Sorry Obama and DNC, you guys lost me when Obama opens his mouth.
Posted by: Sally298 | Aug 18, 2008 9:39:43 PM
Obama has just lost Rev. Warren and his 35 millions followers votes. Obama and his supporters are calling Rev. Warren and McCain a lying and cheater. Each time Rev. Warren has to say the statement is bogus, Obama loses a Christian vote. So keep it coming.
Posted by: cookie | Aug 18, 2008 9:30:39 PM
RICK WARREN SAID OBAMA GOT ONE MORE PREVIEW OF A QUESTION (RE: ORPHANS) THAT McCAIN DIDN'T HAVE.
Equal number of tickets were given to each of their campaigns...it was not all Evangelicals...they were Obots in the audience.
McCain was with Secret Service and church members in the green room...I'm so glad Hillary supporters didn't pull this crap on Obama last April 13 in PA at their faith forum, where Hillary spoke first and Obama was who knows where?
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!
Posted by: Debra | Aug 18, 2008 9:27:49 PM
Hey, CW (Master Chief),
I just read your 8:20:13 PM comment. I was a navy man too (and an ANG, and a DoD official with recent service in Iraq) and I didn't run into too many liberals in our volunteer military. I'm confused that you accused the Republicans of all the ills practiced by the Democrats. Perhaps they are both guilty, but when it comes to out of control spending, going to war, misinterpreting the Constitution and tampering with basic fundamental rights, the Democrats out violate Republicans by a noticeable stretch. As for our successes in Iraq, it was the Democrats who were a fifth column to the point of treason. We all saw it when we were in Iraq and we see it now as they tried to discredit us as well as our commander-in-chief, policy makers, and senior leadership at home and down range, and while in the face of a nearly defeated enemy. Thanks for your service Master Chief, but I and most of the warriors out there past and present are supporting and voting for John McCain for our commander-in-chief.
Posted by: Back From Iraq | Aug 18, 2008 9:22:27 PM
waiting to exhale.....Warren asked McCain "how was the cone of silence" first. watch Larry King tonight.
Posted by: Debra | Aug 18, 2008 9:22:06 PM
The new adjective for Obamaspeak......"nuanced". Shameful his camp had to start this bruhaha today because they can't wrap their brains around his lacklustre performance. You'd think they'd be use to it after his 3 debates with Hillary.
Posted by: Debra | Aug 18, 2008 9:20:55 PM