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Saddleback Spokesman on Cone-of-Silence-Gate
August 18, 2008 3:37 PM
A. Larry Ross, a spokesman for Saddleback Church and Pastor Rick Warren, says that the campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has assured the organizers of Saturday night's "Civil Forum" that McCain did not "see or hear any of Senator Obama's appearance."
But as for the question the McCain campaign won't answer -- did anyone with McCain, given the questions via email or cell phone, share them with the senator -- Ross says, "I cannot speak to that."
Before the forum, Ross says, "both candidates agreed to the format of two consecutive interviews." Based on a coin toss, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, went first, and both candidates also "agreed to and understood that in order to maintain a level playing field, Sen. McCain wouldn't see or hear any of Sen. Obama's appearance."
Officials at Saddleback did everything they could to maintain what Warren jokingly called a "cone of silence."
"We made every efforts on the campus" to maintain an integrity to the process, Ross says. In the green room where McCain waited for Obama to finish, a Saddleback staffer even went in and "completely disabled" a TV monitor. "He made sure there was no signal in that room."
Last week Warren spoke with both candidates -- McCain on Thursday, Obama on Friday -- and outlined the four basic categories of the questions. "He also gave them general themes," Ross says, "like, 'There will be a tax question,' 'There will be an environment question.' He did not give them specific wording except on two questions, and he did that because this forum was new ground and he didn't want them to be nervous, he wanted them to be comfortable."
Those two questions were: What is your greatest moral failure and the greatest moral failure of the United States?; and who are the three wisest people you know?
Warren also decided to press his proposal to have an emergency fund to care for orphans, and decided to give them a heads up, but he was only able to reach Obama with that question, partly because McCain arrived late, Ross says, at around 5:20 pm Pacific.
"So it was a level playing field except Obama had the extra Intel of that question," Ross says.
Ross demurred when asked if it bothers him or Pastor Warren that the McCain campaign has so far refused to say no one told the senator about the questions Obama was asked, though he did note that "the language the McCain campaign used" in its conversations with Saddleback officials was that he didn't hear or see the broadcast itself.
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Whether someone agrees with McCain's stance on particular issues or not---there's no denying that he's got fire in the belly! You can tell he enjoys learning about new ideas, but he has enough experience to not lose himself in them.
Obama looks like an aspiring, tentative college sophomore in comparison, willful yet eager to please. He's heard a lot of ideas, a great many of them within the l (sp?) in an effort to figure out what he thinks he is "supposed" to say, what the appropriate tune is for the ambiance of the moment, rather than what he believes. One wonders if he even knows what he believes about most things yet.
Obama isn't "cooked" enough to have an INITIAL set of specific convictions, much less ones that have been reconsidered and abridged. Too much go, go, go to the next rung on the ladder, no time for the bread to rise.
Posted by: aural margin | Aug 20, 2008 6:06:50 PM
Issues related to abortion, medical/research ethics are tied to judicial appointments, which are a priority for McCain. McCain wanted to "get back to" the whole issue; for him talking about abortion IS talking about Supreme Court justices.
Just stating his pro=life stance doesn't tell the whole story, and that's why he wanted "to go back" and finish his statement so that people don't think he wants to stick in a constitutional amendment BANNING abortion nationwide.
HE is pro-life, but he wants individual states to deal with such matters; thus his statements that he is a Federalist.
Posted by: aural margin | Aug 20, 2008 5:50:45 PM
I thought McCain was in a sound booth??? He seemed to answer the question before it was asked. Look at the transcript when asked about abortion John McCain says he’s Pro-life (which I don’t doubt,) but I think his senile kicked in because he asked about “going back to the Supreme Court positions” 3 questions before it was asked. I believe he sees into the future.
Posted by: JD | Aug 20, 2008 8:12:42 AM
Mark, McCain didn't cheat, he was with the Secret Service and other people. Obama's people always do this. Everytime, Hillary won a debate, and she won them all, Obama and his thugs threw fits. Many people think the only reason Obama was half way decent in those debates was that she always spoke first and he could say "I agree."(What was appalling to many of us was that the MSM always had her speak first, because they were and are in the tank for Obama.)
McCain was with Secret Service, another Senator, aides, and Warren's people. McCain was good, because he is used to a Townhall format. Obama likes to read speeches, that others write for him, from a teleprompter.
Again, the Obama people and the MSM are following their same old, same old tactics. Obama puts out talking points and the MSM spreads his cry-baby crap. I love the letter the McCain campaign sent to NBC/MSNBC boss calling them on Andrea (Mrs.Allan Greenspan) Mitchell's lack of jounalistic ethics in repeating Obama's poor-loser crap. (They have asked for a meeting.)
Unfortunately, its really too bad that Obama can't talk from the heart about matters concerning faith and ethics instead of pandering to the right, left, and everything in between. McCain has bucked the system so many times that he is not afraid to tell people what he thinks and what he has done.
So, Mark, don't trash an American war hero, because your candidate couldn't cut it. Anybody in politics should have figured out what kind of questions were going to be asked in that setting. Perhaps Obama should have come back a little earlier from that vacation in Hawaii, especially since he took a break a bit ago.
McCain is an older man, he hasn't taken a break, and there is film they play of him carrying his own luggage when the media wrote his campaign off. McCain didn't cry and throw hissey fits. McCain sucked it up, like Clinton did when she was in trouble, and they both proved that they are worthy of the Office of the US Presidency. (It's the American way.)
If Obama can't take the heat, as the saying goes, he should get out of the kitchen. This time Americans are going to pick a person who is worthy to be POTUS. Cry-babies needn't apply.
Posted by: BJinChicago | Aug 20, 2008 7:12:13 AM
Barry lost!! Even if he had a disadvantage on the questions, and I haven't heard one bit of factual evidence to lend credence to this accusation, he is supposed to be SUPERIOR in all respects.
He is not!
Did Senator Obama say that a TYPICAL BLACK PERSON can’t qualify to be on the supreme court of the US? Justice Thomas grew up in Pinpoint and Savanna Georgia and faced REAL prejudice in his life unlike Barack Obama growing up in multicultural Hawaii and Jakarta with few to no blacks or prejudice against blacks.
I would put up Justice Thomas’ professional and life experiences to Barack’s any day!!!
Justice Thomas could have easily beaten Senator Obama at Saddleback or in any forum/debate!!
Posted by: HANK4 | Aug 19, 2008 2:16:36 PM
All the phoney indignation of Republicans at McCHEATER getting caught, will pale to their indignation when they read Obama is gaining in polls, in battleground States that no one EVER thought would be challenged there, by a Democratic candidate.
Read and Weep.
Obama went into the belly of the BEAST at Saddleback Church in Orange County where 75% voted for Cheney/Bush TWICE.
Where would you Republicans like your next IMPARTIAL debate, Haliburton Board Room, Pfizer's Lobby, or Exxon oil rig?
Posted by: mark | Aug 19, 2008 1:17:09 PM
Is it a fact that Pastor Warren was under the impression that Senator McCain was in an adjoing room when Senator Obama was being asked questions? Is it a fact that Senator McCain was in reality riding in his motorcade during at least part of the time of Obama's questioning? Is it plausible that Senator McCain, and not the Senator himself, could have "seen and/or heard" the Obama segment and shared it with whoever was intersted?! These are simple, and not nuanced questions, that desrve simple answers. At a more substantive level, yes, Senator McCain gave straight answers, but not the questions that were asked! Whenever a presidential candidate oversimplifies the issues of faith and religion, it makes me nervous. Religious fanatics often do that. I know Senator McCain is not a fanatic. Was he than playing to the gallery. That too makes me nervous.
Posted by: saif1028 | Aug 19, 2008 1:12:02 PM
"McCain thinks five million a year is considered tobe rich then I am not even poor just invisible."
Rich is not a figure question. It is a lifestyle question. Given a principal of some n dollars, how large does that n have to be to generate enough income to enable you to live at some target lifestyle without touching the principal and you not having to work?
Hint: Not being required to work is a pretty common definition of 'rich'., that is, you can live on your investments.
Remember, you have to pay for all of the necessaries your employer is paying for right now such as health insurance, your kids college, etc. etc. etc.
You may find out you aren't just invisible, you're turning into a black hole. $5 million properly invested will keep that from happening.
Posted by: len | Aug 19, 2008 11:53:14 AM
Let's not forget we are talking about a man who lied on national tv about wearing body armor during his infamous Baghdad market trip. He even said that Patraeus rode around in an unamored vehicle.
Some are saying the man would not lie simply because he was a POW. Does it get any more incredible than that?
Posted by: MsSwin | Aug 19, 2008 11:07:50 AM
Obama should learn to speak a laymans language. someone has just explained his 'above my paygrade' comment at Saddleback. "It showed at the same time that he highly respects the opinions of both scientists and theologians, and that it isn't his job to play God". The question of when a foetus is entitled to 'human right' is an unsettled question among theologians but the press are not telling us that. What I initially thought was a dodging of the question was indeed a very thoughful answer.
Posted by: Daniel | Aug 19, 2008 11:00:38 AM
War is worse than abortion.
remember that simple fact.
it will help you penetrate the cone of silence.
Posted by: Chuck Darling | Aug 19, 2008 10:35:12 AM
I really liked the 'above my paygrade' comment. It showed at the same time that he highly respects the opinions of both scientists and theologians, and that it isn't his job to play God. Meanwhile McCain has a pat answer to a question that has befuddled both for centuries (you wouldn't know it from the media but this is actually not settled doctrine for most theologians).
Posted by: Mike | Aug 19, 2008 9:19:10 AM
Whether he saw the questions before hand would be revealed in the coming days, weeks or months before the General Elections.
And be sure that Americans would feel let down by Mccain, who they expect to be above board.
And this singular act of deceit will cost him the Elections by a wide margin.
So if some of you paid surrogates of Mccain are on this blog, kindly advise him to be Man enough to own up.
Its only human for him to watch or listen in. If it were to be Obama that was running late by half-an-hour, I'm sure he would have listen in or gladly receive heads-ups from his campaign Staff through his Blackberries.
We are all human that is one of the numerous ways makes God Supreme. God is infallible but we are fallible.
Posted by: Dare Nigeria | Aug 19, 2008 8:30:49 AM
The morning news shows have already ... though grudgingly ... declared John McCain the winner of the forum and Andrea Mitchell is apparently hiding in her cave; no mouthy remarks from her lately. The question now is this: When John McCain is elected President; will Obama still have a job ... anywhere?
Posted by: Back From Iraq | Aug 19, 2008 8:04:09 AM
In my opinion, I wish the Church could steer clear of Politics. America is Multi-racial and Multi-religious.
The President of the United States presides over the whole Country. Churches should serves as wise and moral counsels to Politicians and not institute a semblance of debates.
When a Church tries to enter the murky waters of Politics, this is what happens.
It is like a Chicken that perches on a rope. There will be no rest for the Rope and neither will there be for the Chicken.
Posted by: Dare Nigeria | Aug 19, 2008 7:24:20 AM
For all those who voted for and wanted Hillary to be the nominee for our Party (as I am one of those)but are upset because she did not get the nod,get over it please it is your type who will cross over and vote for a party (I have nothing personnally against McCain,I am sure he is a decent man)but the Republican party in of itself is the thing people should be very upset with not the fact your person did not win the nomination. Please pick up your ball and be good sports. Do not make the worst mistake of your life by voting for Mccain and continuing the assault on our countries integity and you own sensibilites.Democracts need to unite or go down in defeat in more ways than one.Remember these words if mcCain becomes President God forbid any of my Sons have to fight needless wars in the name of my country. God Bless us all.
Posted by: Victor | Aug 19, 2008 7:11:13 AM
The party that starts looking for implausible and unprovable conspiracy theories about the opposition candidate is in trouble.
Posted by: Sally J. | Aug 19, 2008 6:52:32 AM
This whole "cone of silence" controversy was cooked up by Axelrod to deflect examination of Obama's answers at the forum. Most notably -
When he just caught himself from saying that Clarence Thomas didn't have the EXPERIENCE to be appointed to the Supreme Court.
When he said that determining the time life starts was ABOVE HIS PAYGRADE.
When he said that two of the wisest people he knows, whose council he seeks before making major decisions, were MICHELLE and his typical white GRANDMA.
These answers from one who would lead our nation through these troubled times do not inspire confidence in voters. Conversely, John McCain's answers were straightforward and without flinching. Agree with him or not, you know where he stands, and his performance inspired confidence in voters that America will be in good hands under a President McCain.
Posted by: marylou | Aug 19, 2008 6:10:47 AM
i am voting mccain BECAUSE he is not obama, oops, soetoro.
Posted by: tr | Aug 19, 2008 6:07:02 AM
The Obama Blame Game is wearing really thin. Obama turns in yet another abyssmal performance when he actually has to answer questions as opposed to reading a teleprompter. Then it's everybody's fault but his. Choose one:
a. His opponent cheated
b. The forum was biased against him
c. The moderator was biased against him
d. All of the above
So you're basically admitting that Obama can only perform well when everything is completely fair and balanced with no chance of Obama being hoodwinked and bamboozled. I'm sure America's worst enemies will be glad to know of your confidence in the abilities of this potential POTUS.
Posted by: marylou | Aug 19, 2008 6:05:26 AM
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