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Shrum On Clinton Memos: An "Ugly" "Appeal to Stereotypes"

August 11, 2008 8:45 AM

Bob Shrum, the chief adviser to both Al Gore and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass, in their 2000 and 2004 presidential runs, had some harsh words for the internal Clinton campaign memos that discuss attacking Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, as something less than American, as reported by Josh Green in The Atlantic.

'The notion that somehow or another that you could appeal to stereotypes like that -- suggest Obama was un-American -- would backfire in a general election and be absolutely lethal in a Democratic primary," Shrum told ABC News. "I think it was one of those memos that was written, looked at by the candidate and wisely discarded."

The memo, written by Sen. Hillary Clinton's top strategist, Mark Penn, is "an appeal to stereotypes, it's an appeal to prejudice," Shrum said. "I think it's ugly and I think if Hillary Clinton had done that, she would have permanently besmirched her reputation, her legacy, and her place in American politics."

Of Penn's March 2007 memo that correctly identified the coalition that brought her primary victories in states such as Pennsylvania and Ohio, Shrum says, "it's interesting if somebody produces a memo that says we need to go after these invisibles: lower-income voters, women, blue collar voters; and then produces a strategy that all through the summer, and into the Fall and almost up to Iowa is cautious, calculating, triangulating, and is basically a replica of President Clinton's 1996 reelection strategy when he had no competitive primaries.  I mean, it's undeniable that she ran on inevitability, she ran as the candidate of the establishment, she ran as a quasi-incumbent in a year of change.  It was a terrible mistake.  So if Mark Penn understood what the targets were in March, maybe they should have come up with a strategy that would have reached those targets."

About the tremendous amount of infighting displayed in these memos -- and indeed, in the very existence of the Green story itself -- Shrum said, the Clinton "campaign it seems, from these memos, to have been at least as focused on the staff going after each other as they were on going after the nomination and getting past Barack Obama."

"By the way, one thing we shouldn’t ignore in all of this: they can all stand around pointing fingers at each other, they're not pointing fingers at the one person who deserves the most blame for their defeat, and that is Barack Obama," Shrum added. "He was an extraordinary candidate who resonated with what America feels and felt, and what Democrats felt as he went through those primaries."

Is there anything Obama can learn from this story and these memos?

"There's a certain strength in the sense of centeredness and almost the serenity that the Obama campaign has displayed," Shrum said. "They have a strategy, they've executed it consistently, they don’t get thrown off by day to day polls.  I remember last September, there were all these people who were saying Obama is behind Clinton. He's got to go out and he's got to attack her, he's got to run negative ads.  And some of his own people and fundraising people said that, and he held a conference call and he said, 'I'm not doing that.  I know what the strategy is, I know what I want to say.  I know how to reach people.'  Now I'll tell you something: you're a lot better off in a campaign with a strategy consistently adhered to, than with 20 people debating ten competing strategies moving day to day."

-- Jake Tapper and Andy Miller

August 11, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (211)

User Comments

McCain has a plan for creating new jobs.... its called the draft.

Posted by: ALYKATMA | Aug 23, 2008 10:28:37 AM

Sylvia Johnsen.......sweety, you don't win by loosing. This the problem to with HRC and here supporters, no grasp of reality.

Posted by: Ken from Atlanta | Aug 12, 2008 6:09:44 PM

why can't we all see that Hillary is a brilliant woman who deserved the nomination? she was cheated. Scorned. Lied to.

But she is the one who comes out on top. Every time. This is Hillary's world. That is if she wants it.

god bless america.

Posted by: Nija | Aug 12, 2008 12:24:03 PM

of course there should be a floor vote at the convention!!there always has regardless of the number of delegates the candiate had. At this time, neither bho or hillary have the number of delegates needed to cinch the nomination. the clincher will be the super-delegates and they do not come into play until the states delegates are at an impasse.
bho is afraid for a floor vote, as he may loose.......or, realize hillary's supporters have not "just gotten over it..."

Posted by: pp | Aug 12, 2008 11:26:34 AM

Rationale For Super-Delegates:
Super-delegates are designed to act as a check on ideologically extreme or inexperienced candidates. The super-delegate system has been called a safety-value.
It has been 30 years since the Democratic Party has had a cliffhanger going into the Convention. If there is no clear winner after state primaries and caucuses, then the super-delegates -- who are bound only by their consciences -- will decide the nominee.

Based on the rules of the DNC and history of previous conventions, Hillary's name should and must be on the ballot in order that super delegates can vote their conscience.

Hillary for President

Posted by: Phyllis/ PA | Aug 12, 2008 9:58:17 AM

The Obama supporters keep bringing up the age issue with McCain, then I quess the race issue with Obama is fair game?

You can't keep using that lame label without casting your own candidate in the same light. You have called all of McCains supporters or Clintons, racist, while being aghast if the word even comes up for your candidate.

Age, sexism and race have no bearing in this election, so keep it on point.

Posted by: Independent minded | Aug 12, 2008 8:03:58 AM

To mummblemouth | Aug 12, 2008 3:46:13 AM: Obama painted Clinton as untrustworthy. He did it by publishing his taxes - one year at the time - and suggesting Clinton's taxes for the final years were mared with scandales. She continued to run on issues, only publishing her taxes at a later date, as she had stated the whole time. When we got them all they showed was they made a lot of money and gave a lot to charity. Media didn't write much about that.

Then it was the shameful exploitation of Clinton's RFK-remark which didn't go well and he back away from that.

Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | Aug 12, 2008 5:09:35 AM

The Clinton memo's shows she was advised to go negative, painting Obama foreign. She didn't.

If anything they show why Clinton won (if not for 352 superdelegates). She should win, because when you have essentially a tie with Obama (even if she won the popular vote) the price should go to the most experienced with the most character.

Clinton beats Obama on issues, merits and character.

Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | Aug 12, 2008 5:04:35 AM

Can anyone cite a single Obama smear against any of his opponents? Or can anyone explain how Clinton and McCain's attempts to divide the country to create constituencies is Obama's fault. PUMA and Co. make a lot of claims, but having followed this campaign from the beginning (originally supporting Clinton - though switching as soon as I realized there was another choice - sorry guys), I fail to see how any of these claims are valid and in fact they seem to better represent the tactics used against Obama than used by him. Is this sour grapes, racism, sexism, RNC shills; what's going on? Obama isn't perfect, but he seems to stand head and shoulders above the competition. Please don't abuse me, but I hear a lot of noise, but see little substance in these claims and claimed corollaries.

Posted by: mummblemouth | Aug 12, 2008 3:46:13 AM

Shrum said. "I think it's ugly and I think if Hillary Clinton had done that, she would have permanently besmirched her reputation, her legacy, and her place in American politics."
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Hillary did EVERYTHING mentioned above and more. And continues to. I'm SERIOUSLY hoping for a 3rd party in the future. And I'm hoping to see Obama in that party. Since the DNC continues to let Hillary and Bill get away with all types of ugliness, and continue to pull the party apart, it's obvious the DNC is pretty useless. Hillary ran a terrible campaign DEEPLY in debt. That's exactly how she'd run the country. The Clintons are SO OVER for most of us. But since the DNC continues to coddle them, many of us are looking for something BETTER.

Posted by: ByTheSea | Aug 12, 2008 2:48:20 AM

It's extremely unlikely that Shrum who is very closely aligned with Obama supporter's team would be privy to his opponent's campaign materials. Unless, of course, Obama staff were all along were spying and hacking into her campaign, and if his campaign did so, that would be an even bigger story. This story and Shrum do not appear credible.

Posted by: Chuck | Aug 12, 2008 2:12:39 AM

Looks like more mud-slinging, courtesy of the poopular Obama campaign, is being drug up to muddy the campaign waters. Does anyone notice that whatever he has accused his opponents of doing - THAT is exactly what he IS and has been doing!?! Bob Shrum needs to reveal his sources for where he got information on the alleged Mark Penn's memos, because Shrum was a supporter of Kerry, Edwards, and Ted Kennedy campaigns who all support her opponent. Why didn't Obama stand up against the false accusations his campaign made against Hillary and her supporters, and why no apology from him during his speech in Philadelphia? This event would have been the perfect opportunity for him to rewind the false attacks his campaign made on his key DNC opponent and her family members.

Posted by: Jilly | Aug 12, 2008 1:49:05 AM

I realize that we all have our own opinions on who's more qualified for the job as President. In the end we will have a new President come Nov. I just wish who ever it is God Speed. What we all should do is stop all the hate blogging in the end it doesn't Accomplish anything Vote for who ever you want to be in the white House just don't let Color or Age cloud your judgment

Posted by: C.J | Aug 12, 2008 1:24:14 AM


she played the game she lost, but i dont think she will walk away gracefully not when she has convinced so many people that she would have won had this happened or that happened and just like anytime she doesnt get what she wants she claims some one cheated her out of it or is out to get her..
if Edwards had been shown to be a cheater she would have won - well if clinton was shown to be a cheater he would have lost... she had no problem hiding that for himso she cant cry foul now!

Posted by: melissa | Aug 12, 2008 12:22:30 AM

Senator Obama needs to worry less about McCain and his moronathon and a lot more about Senator Clinton and her Machiavellian husband who are fully prepared to do whathever they have too to take the nomination away from him in Denver. One need only read the current accounts of the overt and invariably covert manipulations of the nominating process by her minions and surrogates demanding their "right" to vote for her at the convention. Ther is no doubt in my mind that the Clintonistas will do whatever it takes to put themselves back in the Whitehouse even if it means sacrificing the best presidential candidate this country has seen in three decades. Her "suspending" her campaign and tepidly endorsing the true nominee was simply a means by which to regroup her forces and conserve her funds until the real showdown in Denver. I am far more afraid of the CLintons than I will ever be of John McCain. If they are willing to sacrifice our party and our nation to satify their insatiable lust for power, howm any of the rest of us and our sons and daughters will they be willing to sacrifice to retain it?

Posted by: NebraskanforObama | Aug 12, 2008 12:02:26 AM

Hillary is a DOG

Posted by: spoon2456 | Aug 11, 2008 11:52:50 PM

Yawwwnnnn....is it November yet?

Posted by: JJ | Aug 11, 2008 11:20:50 PM

Just love how the democrats and their publicity apparatus (the alphabets) listen with baited breath to the musings of the sainted Bob Shrum. He has been zero for the last century on presidential campaigns. Keep it up. If the GOP hadn't "stolen" all those elections Bob would have won 'em all.

Posted by: ShermansSam | Aug 11, 2008 11:04:56 PM

Obama is a career corrupt Chi-town politican...they typically do "community service" as a way to round up voters for themselves. Why any insist on trying to make this into something admirable is beyond me.

Posted by: chattyway | Aug 11, 2008 10:58:24 PM

Fortunately people are tired of being lied to - they are tired of hearing the name calling and bogus issues like a jewelry based system of patriotism. I accessorise therefore I am. Obama has spent his life walking the walk - working as a community organizer to make life better for those most in need - doing the hard tedious work of state government - and reaching across the aisle in the senate. Name calling and invented issues won't win the day this time around.

Posted by: nh bob | Aug 11, 2008 10:23:39 PM

according to current poll projections - Obama can count on 141 solid electoral college votes with another 97 leaning his way. McCain has 99 solid and 64 leaning. 270 are needed to win.

source - realclearpolitics.com

Posted by: nh bob | Aug 11, 2008 10:20:05 PM

The dirty little secret is that the media has been complicit in nominating a flawed candidate and now they're blaming the Clinton camp or anyone else they can think of! They know that Obama is nothing more than a puppet. Big international interests are the ones who will be pulling the strings. And guess what, kiddies - they are anti-American!

Posted by: Jan | Aug 11, 2008 10:13:52 PM

There's a lot of talk about Obama not being qualified and not enough talk about McCain's unqualifications. He's definitely too old and showing signs of his age almost every day. He doesn't strike me as being terribly sharp anymore. This isn't his fault but he's clearly lost a few steps since 2000. His whole stature just isn't presidential. And don't even get me started on his temperment. Experienced or not, you have to worry about how a deteriorating mind will hold up under the pressured of being president. That's a legitimate concern for the man's health. You guys can vote for gramps if you want but I just don't think he's up for the gig.

Posted by: JimmyTMac | Aug 11, 2008 9:52:48 PM

the funny thing about racists - they don't know they are racists! lol Unless you are an American Indian - you are not an American either. the funny thing is that John mcCain was born in Panama and obama was born in the United states. Who's the outsider? What a bunch of dumb americans.

Posted by: julescator | Aug 11, 2008 9:43:28 PM

Amy - McCain is an empty head. the guy is stupid. He can't remember his lines. No way will he lead this great nation! Start crying now!

Posted by: julescator | Aug 11, 2008 9:41:17 PM

I couldn't be happier that Hillary Clinton lost. I am estactic that McCain is using her campaign tactics and he will also lose. Mccain is an idiot. All we know about him is that, due to his own incompentence, he was shot down and was a POW for 5.5 years. That qualifies you for military disability payments - not for President. He has done NOTHING in the Senate but plot for the presidency. Let's not forget that he has had several mistresses and married the one who could finance his senate career. John McCain isn't fit to shine Obama's shoes. He is so jealous of Obama's brilliance, he can sit still. His commercials are like him - downright stupid. Oh I forgot - he did graduate at the bottom of his class (5th from the botton) dumbass!

Posted by: julescator | Aug 11, 2008 9:39:57 PM

The reality is that the Obama rate increases would hit millions of Americans who make well under $200,000. In 2005, 47% of all tax returns reporting capital gains were from households with incomes below $50,000, and 79% came from households with incomes below $100,000.
By the way, a higher capital gains tax rate isn't the only middle-class tax increase that Mr. Obama is proposing. He also wants to lift the cap on wages subject to the payroll tax. ... Ignoring the no-tax pledge he had made five minutes earlier, Mr. Obama explained that such a tax increase was nevertheless necessary.
In other words he dodged the question, as he so often does with impunity. But thanks to Charlie Gibson's persistence, on 90 minutes, Mr. Obama didn't get away with it. The voters learned a lot about Mr. Obama, who needs to learn a lot more about taxes and revenue.

Posted by: ann | Aug 11, 2008 9:26:44 PM

this was posted elsewhere on ABC by someone else. Do we need a ruling by the US Supreme Court on the eligibility of BO. I hope there is a ruling if needed before the election and not after the election.

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The DNC is a joke. Barry was an adult citizenship of Indonesia proven by his using an Indonesian passport used to travel to Pakistan in 1981, his own operatives rummaging around in state department files to try to purge the docs on their ineligible POTUS candidate, makes Nixon erasing the tapes look like a sweetheart picnic. He's off in Hawaii trying to mop up his Barry Soetero birth certificate mess, a little strong arming, a little hush up advisements to some key relatives. What he's got to do is unseal his original birth certificate to try to make it look like he was never a citizen of Indonesia, which he was (is still?). But he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and moved to Indonesia and became a citizen knowingly into adulthood. He also never legally changed his name to Barack Obama. Man! What an Article II unconstitutional mess! These people can't even run a good con job, I mean if you're going to perpetrate the biggest con on the American public since the inception of the United States of America, you probably should do a really good job of it. If the DNC is a joke, all its candidates are a joke too. Notice the focus of attacks is back on Hillary? Go to it and see who owns barrysoetoro.com too! It's a riot!
PullmanHerb 4:09 PM

Posted by: DemocratNoMore2 | Aug 11, 2008 9:24:43 PM

It is more important to say the truth than it is to worry whether someone will characterize those truthful statements as "ugly...sterotyping." It is time to begin calling a spade a spade.

Posted by: GroversCorners | Aug 11, 2008 9:14:04 PM

AL from NJ--Great post--keep the message going--

Dear Clinton Dem,

With the convention just around the corner, it is imperative that Democrats all around the country understand that whether or not Hillary is nominated, we are in this for the long haul.

This primary has revealed DNC "leadership" to be corrupt, mean-spirited, and lacking respect for basic democratic principles. They have completely and effectively ceded the moral high ground to Republicans at this point.

• We have seen the race card played, with assistance from both Dean and Brazile.
• We have seen rampant sexism with no objection by the DNC.
• We have seen the superdelegates endorse as quid-pro-quo for campaign contributions.
• We have seen arm-twisting of the congressional delegates by "neutral" Nancy Pelosi to declare for Obama.
• We have seen an unabashed ageism campaign against John McCain, calling him "confused", and that he has "lost his bearings".
• We've seen a softening of support for the gay and lesbian community.
• We've seen caucus cheating.
• We've seen intimidation of Hillary supporters, hack attacks and coordinated threats against voters and media that dare to dissent.
• We've seen manipulation of the party nominating system and media to favor one candidate over another and the outright redistribution of votes cast for one Hillary and given to Obama.
This is now a democratic party in name only.


TAKE ACTION:


We need to get the word out.

Posted by: amazed08 | Aug 11, 2008 9:05:07 PM

I will definitly vote for Obama this country needs change from the olsd status quo and washington insiders. Yes there will be people that will smear him to keep the status quo Mccain doesn't have a plan of getting out of this recession ,energy independence,Iraq just stay there for another 100 years.Look at the suspreme court god help us if he selection far right juctices.All you women out there just see what happens with Roe V Wade just wait.t

Posted by: mommapac | Aug 11, 2008 8:55:29 PM

Why is it that Obama supporters think that somebody who doesn't support Obama is a racist? I am so sick of hearing that excuse. That is just tacky and weak. Why can't you just accept the fact that we don't like Obama because of his apparent judgment, inexperience, glibness, lack of leadership, pretensions, machiavellian, etc. I suppose you don't like Hillary because you hate women. How juvenile do you think we are or, more importantly, what's your problem?

Posted by: Susan | Aug 11, 2008 8:39:20 PM

B0 is divisive, inexperienced, egotistical, narcissistic - would make a great Rock Star, though!

Posted by: Beckie | Aug 11, 2008 8:38:53 PM

I don't have to get over it. You see I supported Hillary mainly as an anti-Obama person. I don't believe Obama is qualified to be president and yes, I am angry that Hillary wasn't the candidate as she is much more qualified than he. Lastly, I think this is still America and I can be just as angry as I want and I don't have to get over it just because some Obama supporter thinks I should. I used to vote the party line, but not any more. I think Pelosi and Reid are weak leaders for the party. I didn't like the way MI and FL were handled. So get over yourself! It is quite liberating to now be an independent.

Posted by: Susan | Aug 11, 2008 8:34:28 PM

The one thing Barack Obama's candidacy has done is make this country confront its issues with race. That's a good thing. The sad thing is that the discourse proves that we are far, far away from the ideal notion of equality and justice for all. Whether or not Barack Obama becomes President will be decided by White people. So whether or not he's elected will say more about Whites than it ever will about the minority populations in this country. This is your world; we just live in it. Barack Obama is one of the best and brightest--in this country. He's as qualified to be President as anybody who threw their hat in the ring this election year because no incumbent is running.

Posted by: SYL | Aug 11, 2008 8:25:21 PM

Shrum is a hypocrite! Pity he wasn't outraged at the B0's Campaign for the memo they circulated about playing the race card against Hillary and Bill! I can't wait till it is his turn to be thrown under the B0 bus!

Posted by: Beckie | Aug 11, 2008 8:16:09 PM

The Clinton campaign was exercising reasonable caution and appropriate ethics to negative ads, unlike McCain and his camaign. There's a Time analysis on the McCain camp video, The One. Anyway, the analysis points out anti-Christ imagery in the video. There is a multitude of other similar trash, from Obama anti-Christ bumper stickers to the e-mails and Google hits. I watched the video and it indeed had sinister undertones far beyond mocking Oprah's declaration, which I've done myself.

Posted by: kat | Aug 11, 2008 8:02:48 PM

amy - "Obama is not electable" - Are you going to be upset when an unelectable candidate wins the Presidency?

Posted by: jmengate | Aug 11, 2008 7:59:32 PM

Virginia Independent - "she will have the luxury of waiting the four years through a McCain presidency" - You do realize that if Senator McCain wins in November that both Senator Obama and Senator Clintons' political career is done, right?

Posted by: jmengate | Aug 11, 2008 7:56:04 PM

Even if Hillary doesn't win the roll call at the Convention, she will have the luxury of waiting the four years through a McCain presidency; during which time she will continue to increase her support base, work on legislation, and build her own political identity (separate from her husband's). Smart strategy from a smart woman!

Hillary '12

Posted by: Virginia Independent | Aug 11, 2008 7:31:04 PM

Mark Penn is a disgrace and one has to wonder why he was leading a presidential campaign. We keep hearing how politically savvy Bill Clinton is. But who picked Penn? Maybe Bill Clinton really didn't want his wife to be president wanting that honor only for himself in his family. If Hillary stuck with Penn for so long, imagine who she might have nominated to the Supreme Court? Frightening.

Posted by: Nick | Aug 11, 2008 7:30:04 PM

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Just a question for you to think about: Why do you think both Bill and Hillary got big speaking spots at the convention?

Posted by: Susan | Aug 11, 2008 6:53:09 PM

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To convince Hillary Supporters like you who are still in denial to get a grip.

I am a Hillary supporter who has "gotten over it". Try it. It is not that hard. Live goes on. You don't have to wait for Bill and Hillary to convince you during the Convention. What will they say that you haven't heard.

Why is it so hard for people who pretend to be democrats to accept a loss. To this day I still see some of you who claim "Al Gore won" and my retort "then why isn't he President?"

Posted by: Steve_NJ | Aug 11, 2008 7:26:39 PM

How is McCain so much more ready to be in command than Obama.He deserves respect for his time served in the military and his being held prisoner of war but that doesn't make him anymore ready to lead this country than Obama there is no school for presidency,so whomever gets the presidency will have to be ready to take that three o'clock in the morn.call.McCain has made gaffe after gaffe and they are not made to much about but when it comes down to reality have someone that will be able to state who is fighting who and be able to state a persons name of who he is addressing.

Posted by: damehen | Aug 11, 2008 7:24:24 PM

If fact, I don't think there is anything wrong with a strategy -- this is about play into people's psychology. Why is it OK for Obama to paint Hillary as the "most secretive', dishonest, flawed, deceptive, person, but it is unacceptable for Clinton's advisers to even point out Obama's exotic background -- which is so obvious to many people. It the MSM that want people to accept anything Obama does, but interpret anything the Clinton camp did in evil ways. Obama is not electable -- I believe there are many people feel this way. He will lose 100%.

Posted by: amy | Aug 11, 2008 7:22:08 PM

Campaign is nothing to say about how a person can govern -- Just look at Bush. He ran the most successful campaign, raised the most money until Obama surpassed it. Obama is still an empty suit -- he and his strategists happened to be smart enough to find a good campaign strategy. I am not impressed by his own qualification, and I know there are many people felt the same way. I will still vote for Hillary if there is a chance. But for this election year, I will sit out.

Posted by: Amy | Aug 11, 2008 7:15:37 PM

So, let me get this straight, an internal memo, that made a suggestion that was never used and ignored by Hillary is somehow a smoking gun? Who cares? The fact is that Obama is not a lock here. It's insulting to Clinton supporters to assume that we'll just all get on board but that Obama's fans wouldn't have gotten behind her. Like her or not, Hillary was QUALIFIED. Obama is not. It will be extremely hard for me to vote for him. I'll never vote republican, but I might just not vote. Obama got where he is because of a bandwagon affect which waned after 2 months. The fact that Hillary was kicking his ### down the stretch showed that the voters actually were coming to their senses and realizing that he is a candidate of all flash and no substance. The fact that we are still so divided as a party is NOT hillary's fault and I'm sick and tired of the Obama supporters blaming her. It is their arrogance, their negativity, their candidate's ego that alienates us. Unless he chooses Hillary as his running mate he will lose a huge chunk of voters. I agree with one of the previous posters that Hillary might not have gotten the minority votes that he will get, because those voters apparently are only voting because he's black, not because he's qualified to be president. We're in trouble here folks and you can talk about how wonderful Obama is, and how inspirational he is until you're blue in the face. He won't carry florida, he won't carry Ohio and the dems will lose again.

Posted by: Wendy | Aug 11, 2008 7:13:08 PM

I truly enjoy how so many Obama supporters don't appreciate just how close it was between Hillary and Obama, even when Obama and the news media said he was the winner for the last two months of the primaries she continued to win. Just keep acting like Obama doesn't need any of us to win and see how he does this Fall. Just a question for you to think about: Why do you think both Bill and Hillary got big speaking spots at the convention?

Posted by: Susan | Aug 11, 2008 6:53:09 PM

"This came out because the Clinton campaign put out the dirt on John Edwards who was supposed to be the vice president nomination, in order to force Obama to pick Hillary." Wow, Roy, you managed to still be wearing that tin foil hat? You take the cake on lunatic conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Jim | Aug 11, 2008 6:47:33 PM

The Clintons are snake in the grass losers. If it wasn't for bill clinton and his white house bimbo, monica lewinski the democrats could have still been in control. But because of him and his lack of self control to allow a intern to play the skin flute of a president.

Posted by: artaxxx1 | Aug 11, 2008 6:45:01 PM

disgusted in Illinois................do you realize that Hillary won't win the presidency even if she could some way steal the nomination? Minorities will never vote for her now or ever again Obama loses because of her or if the democrats lose because of her. She will certainly end her career.

BTW, All his voters will still vote for him plus all the superdelegates would have to vote for him which means he will get the nominations by hundreds of votes. This came out because the Clinton campaign put out the dirt on John Edwards who was supposed to be the vice president nomination, in order to force Obama to pick Hillary.

This story is meant to show the divisiveness of Hillary and the reason why Obama will not pick her as his vice president running mate. He or his campaign will not be forced to do that.

Posted by: roy | Aug 11, 2008 6:34:21 PM

The Clintons, both of them, have proved that they would try any tack at all as long as it appeared to insure a victory.

Posted by: rhbate | Aug 11, 2008 6:32:36 PM

Obama does not want a roll call - so his MSM buds start discrediting Hillary - just in case??????????
Posted by: disgusted in Illinois | Aug 11, 2008 5:57:22 PM
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why would obama care? Hillary will lose a second time by a larger margin. {Yawn} Whatever!

But then again, Hillary DID stay with Bill, so she must be a glutton for punishment!

Posted by: jmc663 | Aug 11, 2008 6:20:44 PM

THIS IS COMING FROM BOB SHRUM, THE GUY WHO LOST THE DEMOCRATS TWO PRESIDENCIES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WON!!!!!!1

Posted by: tom | Aug 11, 2008 6:20:08 PM

Hillary lost because she was not the stronger candidate and ran an inferior overall campaign. Please, for the love of all that is decent, stop whining about it. You are embarrassing yourselves, your party, and your former candidate. It's over. Obama is the nominee. Vote for him, don't vote for him, I really could care less. Just stop the incessant whining.

Posted by: Tom G | Aug 11, 2008 6:19:45 PM

If Bama Bahy so Desperate That he is continuing Attacts agaisnt Hillary.

It seems he is out to Destory the Democratic Party.

Does he not get it. People who did not want him before, still do not want him. Not matter what he does.

Obama is a con man. Buying the Presidency. Money, marketing and PR.

He has done nothing for this country or the People in all his years as a senator in Illinois and the US Senator.

His Chicago Style politics, The Eliminator. Evil, vile and smear techniques is all he has.

His presuasive, motivational repetitive speeches, using mind control and mind manipulation is his major tool on getting followers.

Using his slogans, catch phrases as reinforcements to keep that brainwashing working.

Are Americans going to let, Money, Marketing and Brainwashing Buy America?

HeII No!

He does not want to serve the country. He wants the country to serve him.

Please Keep America Free.

Posted by: seah | Aug 11, 2008 6:14:23 PM

Well Tom, you can vote for whomever you want. Then again, I don't have to look at the kids and tell them that we are at war with Iran, or the trees are all dead, or the rivers are all polluted, or they're living in a tent and eating refuse from a dump because I voted for four more years of Bush.

Posted by: algwriter | Aug 11, 2008 6:11:02 PM

JR - I'm pleased you think someone would hire me to write this stuff. That makes my day!!
I just happen to be a well-informed, critical thinker (well I try) who majored in sociology. Yes, I was a college-educated democrat who didn't and won't support Obama.

Posted by: Susan | Aug 11, 2008 6:09:56 PM

This democrat, who had always voted for democrats and never once voted for a republican, will not vote for Obama this November. Obama is an overly ambitious man, who has not made any meaningful contribution to the Democratic Party or to this country, and is undeserving of the Presidency.

Posted by: tom | Aug 11, 2008 6:06:17 PM

Of course it was a Rovian proposal, with attracting bigots in mind. But as much as I detest Hillary, I have seen nothing to indicate she approved of it.

It does indicate that she, like all candidates, has some reprehensible associates. Which is going to happen. I have a few myself.

Posted by: Dennis | Aug 11, 2008 5:58:42 PM

Why is this coming out now by the MSM?

I smell a big rat.

Obama does not want a roll call - so his MSM buds start discrediting Hillary - just in case??????????

Posted by: disgusted in Illinois | Aug 11, 2008 5:57:22 PM

Shrum is the greatest scumbag to ever exist in the world of political consulting. His badmouhing Edwards and now Clinton after he took dollars from both is disgusting. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory for Kerry. When will this nincompoop be exposed for the a hole that he is.The Joseph Goebbels of the 21st centuty.

Posted by: anderson | Aug 11, 2008 5:57:01 PM

What EVERY major politician says about their opponents includes unethical below-the-belt things and outright lies and distortions meant to fool, not inform the voters. When I see someone worried about preserving a politicians "legacy" for high character I just shake my head.

Posted by: Mickey | Aug 11, 2008 5:55:50 PM

The US is going to die due to an uneducated electorate. Elections are now based on internet rumors, loose facts and the repetition of non-truths until the non-truths become facts in the minds of the voters. We're screwed. It's been nice knowing you. But, this country is going down the tubes.

Posted by: plantain11 | Aug 11, 2008 5:55:16 PM

Of course Obama's platform is more similar to Hillary's. They are both democrats and Obama has adopted most of Hillary's positions in his attempt to appear more centrist.

Posted by: Susan | Aug 11, 2008 5:54:24 PM

Obama and some of his vocal supporters still don't get it. A lot of us democrats (a democrat for life until 2 mos. ago) thought Hillary was the best candidate and thought Bill Clinton was a good president and didn't think Obama was qualified or had the judgment to be President of the United States. For one thing, he isn't a great leader. He waits for everyone else to come out with a position or statement before he speaks and then most of the time he just restates the others' positions with a little personal touch. I am getting tired of hearing him say: "This isn't the person I knew." Any way, Hillary got the votes and if Obama had allowed FL and MI to be counted at the time, she probably would have won the superdelegates over too.

Posted by: Susan | Aug 11, 2008 5:52:22 PM

Lisa Again , I agree with most of what you say except when you get to the Hillary stuff. I supported Hillary and now support Obama. I think if you substitute McCain's, you would be correct.

Posted by: JR | Aug 11, 2008 5:51:10 PM

"Obama's platform is MUCH more similar to Hillary's than McCain's." Oh really? Hillary's platform didn't include Obama's lies about voting against FISA but actually Obama voted for FISA. Obama lied about his uncle saving Jews from Auschwitz. How about the bigoted, racist Obama supporters who slandered Hillary, claiming she wanted Obama assassinated due to her RFK remarks? How about the bigoted, racist Obama supporters who slandered Hillary when she said the President can grant civil rights, which is TRUE; all the marching won't give you civil rights or otherwise we gays would have equality, marriage and civil rights! Obama's platform is nothing like Hillary's as Obama spent 20 years in Rev. Wright's church where Wright spewed racist, bigoted remarks in the sermons. ANYONE who actually lives in Chicago knows that Rev. Wright has been spewing racist, bigoted remarks for over 20 years. It is digusting for Obama to expose his innocent daughters to this church full of hateful, racist and bigoted remarks in Rev. Wright's church. How about Obama calling people, "Typical White People"? How about Obama playing the race card lately, lying again that people will say Obama doesn't look like the people on the dollar bills? VOTE NO TO RACIST, BIGOTED Obama supporters!

Posted by: Jeff | Aug 11, 2008 5:49:09 PM

So if McCain claims he will only serve one term, is the election then about his VP? Why bother with him at all? Besides when did a republican ever tell the truth? NEVER......

Posted by: JR | Aug 11, 2008 5:46:51 PM

If you listen to the American public, if you read any blog these days, you will see a real "house divided." Like or not, if Barack Obama is elected President, the hidden racism in this country is going to be legion and further divide this country. That's just the nature of the beast, so to speak. Let's face it, the only reason Hillary got her 18 million is because so many of her voters do not want a black president. Ugly, but true. Don't say you weren't warned.

Posted by: Lisa Again | Aug 11, 2008 5:46:33 PM

What an ugly and fractured mess has become the Democratic party.

Posted by: Lisa Again | Aug 11, 2008 5:43:06 PM

Not everything that was circulated came from the Clinton campaign or its supporters. You should see some of the stuff still being circulated about Obama. Also, I am still unclear why we can't mention Obama's middle name (it is his name after all) - I mean it would be different if we made up his name. Also, he took a picture in the garb - no one made that up. Why is it being negative when it is true? That just goes to show how controlling and senstive Obama and his supporters truly are.

Posted by: Susan | Aug 11, 2008 5:41:37 PM

Shrum is also quoted as saying, Hillary wisely discarded it away. As for Middle Class in Middle America; it's in her memoirs and speeches long before she ran for Pres. Penn was a waste of money.

Posted by: irma | Aug 11, 2008 5:39:44 PM

This democrat, who had always voted for democrats and never once voted for a republican, will not vote for Obama this November. Obama is an overly ambitious man, who has not made any meaningful contribution to the Democratic Party or to this country, and is undeserving of the Presidency.

Posted by: tom | Aug 11, 2008 5:38:20 PM

"The Obamas, on the other hand, have worked hard for everything they have. That's what most Americans have to do. In that regard, they're more "like us" than McCain and Bush will ever be." Brooklyn, sorry we others did not lie like Obama lied when Obama said he would filibuster against FISA but Obama voted for FISA instead. We others didn't lie like Obama lied about his uncle saving Jews from Auschwitz. We others lie like Obama lied when he signed a pledge to use public financing for the general but then broke his pledge. We do not condone lies so we are not like Barack Obama. VOTE NO to bigoted Obama Supporters!

Posted by: Jeff | Aug 11, 2008 5:32:13 PM

How about the pic of Obama in the kenyan garb, which was meant to send the signal that Obama is muslim?

How about Clinton long pregnant pause when asked if Obama was a muslim?

How about the 'kitchen sink' strategy?

How about Hilary's comment about regular working Americans, white Americans"?

How about the Clintons playing the race card and NOW DENYING IT?
As if the world does not know the Clintons to be LIARS!

Fact is Clintons DID try to make Obama seem like he's not American.

Posted by: Patriot | Aug 11, 2008 5:28:54 PM

Put me in the category of a Democrat who will vote McCain. No way in hell I will vote for Obama. The poster who tries to dismiss althose who claim to be Dems voting for McCain as posers from the Republican party - THINK AGAIN - Obama supporters really have no clue as to how close Obama is to losing it all.

Posted by: Anthony | Aug 11, 2008 5:28:53 PM

You McCain folks are the pot calling the kettle black. Obama addresses an enormous crowd in Germany, meets with world leaders and is received overwhelmingly positive, and you all call him presumptive and acting presidential. What the *#&/% do you think ole' McCain is trying to appear like? McCain, keep following Obama's lead. You might learn something. Your pal, Bushie-Boy has and still is. . .

Posted by: 2008TooLate | Aug 11, 2008 5:16:50 PM