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August 25, 2008 7:56 AM
The Clintons - especially Bill - are providing some behind-the-scenes drama, Politico reports, with former President Bill Clinton reportedly disappointed that he will be speaking on the night devoted to "Securing America's Future."
"The former president is disappointed, associates said, because he is eager to speak about the economy and more broadly about Democratic ideas - emphasizing the contrast between the Bush years and his own record in the 1990s," Politico reports. "This is an especially sore point for Bill Clinton, people close to him say, because among many grievances he has about the campaign Obama waged against his wife is a belief that the candidate poor-mouthed the political and policy successes of his two terms."
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, meanwhile, will speak to her delegates on Wednesday, thanking them and urging them to vote for Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, during the roll call vote.
The McCain camp is running TV ads trying to exploit to anger and hurt feelings of Clinton supporters, questioning why Obama didn't pick her as his VP in one ad and featuring Debra Bartoshevich, a former Clinton delegate, extolling McCain in another.
In the ad Bartoshevich says, "I'm a proud Hillary Clinton Democrat. She had the experience and judgment to be President. Now, in a first for me, I'm supporting a Republican, John McCain. I respect his maverick and independent streak, and now he's the one with the experience and judgment. A lot of Democrats will vote McCain. It's okay, really!"
- jpt
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not to mention the damage that this small group has done to Hillary
turn on your tv's ...do you see the toll it is taking on HER.
Yeah right you support Hillary Clinton...
because of all of this her support and numbers are dropping
your donations to your own cause are not helping the woman get out from under a multi-million dollar debt...
a debt she accrued because she says she was fighting for you
and now she may not even get to do a roll call because of you all she is getting blamed more and more for this.
and I personally don't think it is her fault and would like to see her as sec of state...but you all are blowing even that.
sad...just sad.
Posted by: dl | Aug 25, 2008 10:46:28 AM
I am black and am not voting for Obama. Get over it!
PUMA!
Posted by: LeeLee07 | Aug 25, 2008 10:46:11 AM
What does a black candidate have to do in this bigoted atmosphere to be president?? He must stand firm and know that what God has chosen to be, will be and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. All you so called Hillary/McCain Democrats are not Democrats, you are Empty and hollow voices. I was actually pulling for Hillary because I thought she was a class act, but after the BIG unnecesary lie about "Bosnia Fire" and Bill's strategic slip and racial undertone(He knew excactly what he was saying) I can't vote for anyone I can't trust. You Clinton supporters forget that Bill Clintons ties to some supports (Paul) are very unsavory and the Republicans would have ripped her to shreds. With Obama, whether you believe in him or not, has shown class and great management skills running his campaign and is "The ONLY CLASS ACT" in this race. If you wan to vote for McCain who was at the bottom of his class and has turned from Maverick to Neo-con, go ahead, you weren't ever going to vote for a qualified Black man anyway. You're just hiding behind Hillary. What a sad bunch, who would vote against their own interests before they
would put an intelligent and talented black man in office. What a pity.
Posted by: Revelation 1 | Aug 25, 2008 10:44:49 AM
Bill Clinton whined and threw hissy fits all during Hillary's campaign which did NOT help her. I think he did it on purpose because he doesn't want to play second fiddle to her.
Posted by: Peach | Aug 25, 2008 10:43:34 AM
okay again
did you see this new pol from NYTIMES and CBS
5% ! of Hillary voters at the convention said they would not support obama.
the few whacko voices are suddenly being shown for what they are... and Hillary and her real supporters are saying...
"shut up."
this has all been overhyped by this little group of angry ...and yes somewhat immature and emotional people who put their own self righteous POV over the issues and people effected by those issues all for the sound and worth of their own voices over those things.
this has been a story created by the media and that group
go look at the numbers for Bill Clinton before the convention in 92.
He would have loved to get only a 5% promised defection rate.
Posted by: dl | Aug 25, 2008 10:41:24 AM
Sorry, but Obama dug his own grave here.
He accused the only successful Democratic president in decades of:
1. Being a racist
2. Not having any novel ideas (saying, instead, that it was Reagan who had them)
3. Being "old politics" on par with the Republicans
It's funny how things turn out. Now he picked Biden, a notorious war hawk, as a VP. No greater supporter of the war in the Democratic Party than Biden.
Good going Obama, you have deserted the far left and soon the students will abandon your cause as they see you used them.
You will never gain the trust of moderate Democrats.
Posted by: JA | Aug 25, 2008 10:37:56 AM
Maybe Ayers and Dohrn WERE, as they claimed, "communists" -- although their political work, especially the endorsement of Charlie Manson, destroyed the Movement.
Ayers and Dohrn, of all the Weathermen, had no legal consequences for blowing up this and that, and apparently trying to blow up a lot more. Doesn't this suggest that their efforts were aligned with COINTELPRO -- and that this could well be the case for other corporate scions -- overwhlmingly from Republican families -- "leading" the left in the late sixties?
Posted by: Belle Starr | Aug 25, 2008 10:37:42 AM
And I am one of those Democrats voting for McCain!
Obama/Biden is no different than Bush/Cheney
An arrogant,inexperienced empty suit propped up by an older experienced Washington insider.
Where's the "Change we can believe in"?
Posted by: cindy in nc | Aug 25, 2008 10:33:07 AM
Those Hillary-Democrats voting for McCain because they are sore after their candidate lost are the ones that I'd like to hear complaining after four more years of Bush-like failed policies.
Posted by: Daniel Rivera | Aug 25, 2008 10:32:56 AM
Debra Bartoshevich, a Clinton delegate to the Democratic National Convention, says she will vote for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in November because we need someone with JUDGEMENT and EXPERIENCE.
What judgement and experience?
Many Americans died or were horrifically maimed in Iraq for the McCain promotion of this war. Where is his understanding, and remorse for his actions. NONE!
McCain exploits and hopes to prevent a new generation, a new mindset to deal with the world politically, economically, and culturally.
He creates a trivial, stupid campaign to distract, destroy, and continue the war-mongering selfish person that perhaps he always was.
Posted by: kate | Aug 25, 2008 10:32:13 AM
"If obama loses this time ... Hillary have no future in DNC."
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It might be the DNC which has "no future".
Posted by: Belle Starr | Aug 25, 2008 10:22:57 AM
All yall people need to realize that neither one of the candidates have experience because neither one of them has been President of the United States before. Bill also needs to stop acting like a spoiled brat. We as demorcrats need to stick together if we are going to win this thing. McCain, with his ancient self, need to retire or something cause he can't even remember how many houses he owned.
Posted by: Me | Aug 25, 2008 10:21:37 AM
If obama loses this time thanks to these angry democrats, Hillary have no future in DNC.
She can go Independent and be a Perot at the most or Nadar
Posted by: zen | Aug 25, 2008 10:11:00 AM
Your wildest dream --- Mac 08, Hillary 2012 will not happen whatsoever...
No pledge for single term by maccain... he rejected this single term suggestion during interview with Politico.
anyway, do you really want to see Maccain in White house for 8 years?
Posted by: zen | Aug 25, 2008 10:07:28 AM
all of this is blow hardy...
look at the new poll from NYT and CBS 5% of Hillary supporters at the convention said they will vote against Obama...
5 PERCENT!... that is why there won't be a roll call...because people who are actually educated about this election know what it would to women and our children and healthcare and social security and our standing in the world and our kids futures in that world...(blown to bits) if we elect McCain...
and they also know what damage PUMA and some of these commenters have done to Hillary and Bill.
Whether you liked them or not...here are 2 people who could continue serve this country well and nobly...
are being destroyed by a handful of...not real Clinton supporters who are noble but... self centered weird whack jobs with a grudge.
and more and more people are distancing themselves from those whack jobs...finally.
sad.
Posted by: dl | Aug 25, 2008 10:07:16 AM
True Democrats won't forget how Obama dissed Bill Clinton by calling him a racist and stating that the Clinton years and Bush (I and II) years were one and the same. They will make their ire shown in November.
John McCain is the perfect Republican candidate; a moderate who has worked with Democrats throughout his years in Washington. Most Dems will have no problem with a President McCain for 4 years.
Posted by: marylou | Aug 25, 2008 10:04:44 AM
It clearly is not a good sign when you have a weeklong rollout of your VP pick... and you fall in the polls into a dead heat with your rival. A VP pick should give you a bump and energize the electorate.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | Aug 25, 2008 10:03:11 AM
By reading what most of bloggers have written it shows: tensions, fears are starting to build up!
I urgue my fellow Dems, calm down and try to be Professionals and not Personal!
Posted by: Peace | Aug 25, 2008 10:02:46 AM
The ad speaks to the heart of alot of people including myself. I'm a democrat but will vote for the better of the two candidates - McCain08.
Posted by: LauraR | Aug 25, 2008 10:02:40 AM
All you people kill me that talks about experience. See its experience thats gotten us into the mess we are in now..."experience is comparable to fashion; an action that proved successfull today or yesterday will be unworkable and impractical tomorrow" Og Mandino..let that one sink in for a while...see all the experience men in the white house following those same dumb ideas from the 50 60 70 80.
Posted by: Lionel | Aug 25, 2008 9:59:36 AM
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