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When Candidates Attack: Obama Plays the Reed Card; McCain Responds with Ayers

August 20, 2008 6:10 PM

As part of the Obama campaign's swing-state-targeted negative TV ad campaign, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, will launch an add in Georgia tomorrow attempting to tie Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to controversial conservative figure Ralph Reed.

The ad can be viewed HERE.

The scrip for the ad, called "Never," says: ”It was one of Washington’s biggest scandals. And the Republican power broker Ralph Reed was in the middle of it. In deep with convicted felon and lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

“But when the Senate investigated, the senator in charge never even called Reed to testify….And that senator? John McCain. And who’s now raising money for McCain’s campaign? Ralph Reed. For 26 years in Washington, John McCain’s played the same old games. We just can’t afford more of the same.”

As chairman of the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, McCain chaired the hearings that uncovered how Abramoff and an unsavory pack of GOP cronies had bilked various Native American tribes out of millions. Reed, formerly a leader of the Christian Coalition, at one point had been hired to gin up conservative activists' opposition to casinos to be run by a tribe considered a competitor by Abramoff's client tribes. Reed's role in the sleaze-a-thon helped fell his run for lieutenant governor in 2006.

Reed urged friends and supporters to attend a McCain fundraiser in Georgia this week, though he himself never showed up at the event.

“Barack Obama’s ad is ridiculous," responded McCain spox Brian Rogers. "Because of John McCain, corruption was exposed and people like Jack Abramoff went to jail.

“However, if Barack Obama wants to have a discussion about truly questionable associations, let’s start with his relationship with the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, at whose home Obama’s political career was reportedly launched. Mr. Ayers was a leader of the Weather Underground, a terrorist group responsible for countless bombings against targets including the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon and numerous police stations, courthouses and banks. In recent years, Mr. Ayers has stated, ‘I don’t regret setting bombs … I feel we didn’t do enough.’"

Rogers the raised the fact that, as the Chicago Tribune reports here, the University of Illinois this week refused to release records related to Obama's work with Ayers on the education project the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, at the request of an unnamed donor of the materials.

“The question now is, will Barack Obama immediately call on the University of Illinois to release all of the records they are currently withholding to shed further light on Senator Obama’s relationship with this unrepentant terrorist?" Rogers asked.

- jpt

August 20, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (320)

User Comments

By the way Obama, Who is Mike Klonsky? Oh yeah, not only a friend of Ayers and a recipient of some of the Annenberg Challenge monies; Klonsky was a hardline maoists in the SDS in the late 60’s, later forming a pro-Chinese sect called the October League that morphed into the Beijing-recognized Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) and who is now a member of the Obama campaign. The more we find out, the uglier it gets. And Obama wants to bring up Reed??

Posted by: WRpeach | Aug 21, 2008 9:10:36 PM

so lemme get this straight, McCain has a known corrupt lobbyist working for him and he wants to throw rocks about a tagential relationship to a guy who didn't kill anybody and seerved his time for his crimes. yeah, that's the same. He doesn't address the charge, he just tries to hit back with a limp noodle.

Posted by: Louis | Aug 21, 2008 8:16:30 PM

Another good ad by the obama camp.

Obama hits back with facts - mccain reacts like this is a junior high class presidential election. The electorate will soon grow tired of the mccain camp insulting their intelligence.

Posted by: juli | Aug 21, 2008 5:10:04 PM

Let me get this straight Obama is attacking McCain for uncovering supposed corruption that also included Democrats like Reid and so forth. It is like attacking a Police Officer who arrests a criminal!

Obama has betrayed the people of this country by wanting to increase our Government.

I also hope the College that Obama and his main Advisor friend Ayers worked at loses Federal funding for not supplying public information!!

Obama and the other socialists have caused the death of 10s of millions of people!!

Posted by: spock | Aug 21, 2008 10:42:37 AM

Uh Uh, ee, ee, you know, but, but,
Let me be very clear.

We know John McCain and his past. He isn't trying to hide anything.

Unlike Obama who offers lame excuses whenever he is confronted. How can you trust a candidate who calls a pro-life group liars just to hide his extremely radical abortion record.

He supported infanticide then tried to cover it up. What a thoughtful politician.

Posted by: cindy in nc | Aug 21, 2008 10:15:07 AM

Obama is truly getting desperate if he wants to bring up Mac's associates.

Let's see those ads of Wright cursing America, Ayers stomping the flag, Pfleger calling America a sin, Rezko being carted off to jail. Snippets of Obama's book where he praises his communist mentor--Frank Davis.

Is Obama stupid and desperate enough to go there?

Posted by: riley | Aug 21, 2008 9:57:33 AM

Yes

Yes

Yes, Mary Lou!

Daley is naturally blocking access to the documents.

It would be a good idea for the public to see just intertwined Obama and Ayers are.

Posted by: drjohn | Aug 21, 2008 9:52:31 AM

Obama and Ayers go back to Columbia U. Ayers father got Obama a summer job at a law firm, chose him as Chairman of the Board of the Annenburg Challenge (which Bill Ayers ran) whose purpose was to "revolutionize" public education, and Obama and Ayers sat on the Woods Fund together where they chose the recipients of the Funds grants. Why won't the media look into all of this so we can decide for ourselves whether or not any of it is relevant?

Posted by: marylou | Aug 21, 2008 9:48:15 AM

I am all for all documents coming to light. Hillary's stuff, McCain's Military records, Bush's Air National Guard records and Obama's education committee records. Pleas look at the relationships of these and what they really mean. Obama was a child in the 1960s as was I. Does anyone think that Obama chose to have Ayres sit on the same committee with him? It association by living your life. Give it up or put everything on the table.

Posted by: muffler | Aug 21, 2008 9:29:18 AM

"DO your homework people since the media won't do it. "

Do due diligence and support these baseless assertions.

Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2008 9:00:08 AM

Revolution We Can Believe In!
- Chairman Mao Zedong

Yes we can, Chairman. Let me be just a small devil, it's Change for me.

Posted by: tab1 | Aug 21, 2008 8:32:52 AM

It's honestly good that McCain is bringing up Ayers this early. That way all can be aired and the fact that there is absolutely nothing wrong with their association can be aired. And then Obama can move on to winning the election.

Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2008 8:23:08 AM

Lisa, from Obama Chief Strategist David Axelrod: “Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school … They’re certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together.”

Oh wait; I get it! Since Axelrod said it, Obama is scot free - just like when he says he didn't know anything about that survey in the IL State Senate that had his handwritten notations on it. Got it.

A new kind of politics where staffers do all the work so they can take all the blame. And any heavy lifting is above Obama's paygrade.

Posted by: marylou | Aug 21, 2008 7:59:44 AM

Obama is showing just how incompetent he is by trying to paint McCain by his associations. Does he really want to open a can of worms that will come back at him as a bucket of snakes? Apparently he does. Well the gloves are off. McCain previously criticized ads that invoked Rev. Wright; now he has every right - and every obligation - to hit Obama with every past nefarious association in his portfolio.

Posted by: marylou | Aug 21, 2008 7:50:18 AM

Why would they want to keep the records a secret?

Posted by: rafraf | Aug 21, 2008 7:40:36 AM

I think this is tricky for both camps in a way. I am more persuaded that McCain has done wrong, by not investigating Reed further (Why? Because he wanted to curry favor with right wingers in the GOP? Or at least not upset them?) But at the same time McCain's attack could play into the narrative very well, so Obama has to be careful with the Reed card.

Posted by: markymark | Aug 21, 2008 6:36:02 AM

Rezko is supposed to be sentenced on September 2.

Posted by: Debra | Aug 21, 2008 3:45:06 AM

What contrasting bios on these two on CNN tonight. McCain's was full of friends, service, personal failure (his divorce), successes, family...it was just so full.....AND THEN THERE WAS OBAMA'S. I actually felt sad for him with the dead beat parents he had. Both abandoned him, dad at 2 and mom when she sent him back from Indonesia to live with granny while she stayed with hubby #2 in Indonesia. I have to say, he had to do alot on his own and I commend him for that. I still would never vote for him (although I'm pro choice too) and I like that he doesn't seem to get ruffled much....but I still could never vote for him.
McCAIN ALL THE WAY!

Posted by: Debra | Aug 21, 2008 3:42:03 AM

UMMM lets see that was really the I'm a differant kind of politican(yes Obama) who started the whos who of nasty charectors hiding in the closet attack. Must be Obamas forgotten his long list of shady charectors,Wright,Rezko,and I'm proud I bombed Americans Ayers.This one term Senator with no experience and no concept of foriegn policy dufus is amazing. I want a clean campaign,I'll take public financing oops geez I'm getting more money from donations I can always say I never promised.Obama promises and his campaign platforms will be as easily forgotten as those two promises were.

Posted by: girlinvt | Aug 21, 2008 2:25:21 AM

This is just one of a handful of things that will kill Obama's chances.

Couldn't happen to a more loathesome guy.

Yeeehaw!

Posted by: Jo | Aug 21, 2008 2:15:46 AM

This ad isn't Obama "attacking".

An attack ad is one where your opponent say's things like, "your wife is ugly!", "you're unpatriotic!", "you're a vapid bimbo!", or some such nonsense.

In politics it is not an "attack" to question your opponents record or public past.

McCain has run dishonest, baseless, frivolous, and downright silly attack ads. Obama hasn't.

Posted by: julie | Aug 21, 2008 1:57:11 AM

"And what a phoney story Obama tells aboout their friendship being tied to their children going to school together"

The "he's just some stranger from down the street" story of Obama's surely doesn't explain why the two were conducting their secret meetings, does it?

"That would have been rather difficult unless the Ayers children (who were about twenty years older) were seriously disfunctional."

We are talking about people who support bombing Americans here so I don't think you could ever truly -underestimate- their IQs. Though they can recite 'uhhh...uhhh...Hope...uh...Change...uh..." well enough, so give them credit for that.

Posted by: karen schell | Aug 21, 2008 1:44:50 AM

Barack Obama for president!
He is the true leader and he will put the people first, not special interest groups! He is a man of character and intellect, unlike John McCain who cheated on his first wife, left her and the kids, and married a woman 20 years younger than him, he makes me sick! We need change in Washington and John McCain is more of the same!

Posted by: Kathy | Aug 21, 2008 1:09:19 AM

"we are pleased the university is pursuing an agreement that would make these records publicly available."

You are likely much too young to recall the Watergate era, Willie. It was from that we get the maxim of how it's "the cover-up that gets you". Who is the refered-to secret person/organization behind the refusal to make the Obama-Ayers relationship public? What excuse can be offered if it there actually were nothing to hide?

Certainly Obama has no interest in divulging the secrets, but I suspect his diverionary tactics on this will be as successful as was Nixon's on the Watergate tapes. Had Nixon addressed that fully at the start and acknowleged "mistakes had been made" many people thought the fallout would have been lighter. It's the same in this scandal; Obama can evade, avoid and try to hide behind shadowy anonymous figures, but it just increases the consequences in the end.

Investigative reporters are checking this out. They were originally promised full access to the Obama-Ayers-Weatherman papers, only to run up against a stonewall of misc excuses and quick backtracking by both Obama's public and hidden protectors. You are, of course, more than welcome to think that's a good thing. We'll see if Americans agree with you.

Posted by: Karen Schell | Aug 21, 2008 1:08:07 AM

The Reed/Abramoff association is absolutely relevant to John McCain's candidacy: John McCain was Chairman of the Committee that was directly responsible for investigating ethics charges. McCain exercised his authority - his judgment - and decided an investigation was not necessary. We now know that there were indeed serious violations that could have been - should have been - would have been exposed earlier if John McCain had been truly independent of the K Street Republican Mob that controlled Congress (as I recall, John McCain had nothing to do with uncovering Abramoff scandal).

In sharp contrast, Bill Ayers' anti-Vietnam War activities took place in the late 1960s, when Obama was a child. The fact that nearly 40 years later, the two men served their community by tackling Chicago's public education crisis through their work on a highly-acclaimed, prestigious nonprofit Board is actually an association that both men should be rightfully proud of.

Deep down, I highly doubt that McCain could say the same about his associations with Abramoff & Reed.

Posted by: eliot | Aug 21, 2008 1:02:09 AM

I noticed an analogy of the puppy who piddled and was still loved--we don't have time to house break a president. Some one suggest McCain's quick answers show no thought, not true, it shows he does not have to go through a list of who will be offended if he states his real position.

Posted by: 1post3 | Aug 21, 2008 12:48:44 AM

So? Anybody got an answer why McCain never called on Ralph Reed to testify?

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | Aug 21, 2008 12:48:21 AM

Right now we're beginning to experience the Repub. smear blitz they always turn on the Dem nominee. They're cranking out so called "exposes" about Obama and dragging him through the mud in every which way. They want to make this election a referendum on Obama because their policies are so bankrupt and have done so much destruction to the country. They know it's the only way they can win. McCain has called in all of the dirtiest, slimiest GOP scum. They will stop at nothing to win. We can't let them succeed this time -- the stakes for our country are too high!!

Posted by: hopesprings52 | Aug 21, 2008 12:42:05 AM

Dear Karen, know the phrase Glass Houses and Throwing Stones??

Apparently you haven't read the article. The article lays it out in very clear terms: Obama is not the one ‘stonewalling’ the documents; the Univerity is not ‘stonewalling’ the documents; the University is "aggressively pursuing" an agreement with the donor of the documents.


But if you think it will work for you to act like spoiled little children having temper tantrums every time they want candy. Be my guest.


This is what the article says
" The university's Chicago campus maintains that the donor of the records that document the work of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge has not handed over ownership rights. The university says it is "aggressively pursuing" an agreement with the donor, and as soon as an agreement is reached, the collection will be made accessible to the public. The university has not identified the donor.

The Obama campaign says the senator does not have control over these records or the ability to release them, adding that it has made many documents related to Obama's life available to the public and that "we are pleased the university is pursuing an agreement that would make these records publicly available."

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | Aug 21, 2008 12:38:56 AM

Mr. Obama's closest friends/associates hate the United States of America. His pastor, and his terrorist buddy, and his wife. They all hate the country, and so does he. Let's see the documentation of their working relationship. If anything, it will show much much Obama lied about their involvement.

Posted by: Gary | Aug 21, 2008 12:35:14 AM

The right wingers cant stand that McCain's coverup of the Reed/Abramof/Riley scandal is coming out into the daylight.

The reason they cant stand it is that is shows how the right wing has played its religious allies for dupes, using them as a means of obtaining money and nothing more.

That "religious" leaders allow this thing to happen casts a terrible light on organized religion.

There are only two kinds of Republican - millionaires and suckers.

Posted by: Mike | Aug 21, 2008 12:31:02 AM

anon,

Obama's response only showed more of his indecisiveness when faced with a difficult question.

His position on abortion is well-known, as he has never failed to spout off about his views on the subject in the past, and I'm sure he has unhesitatingly provided his own answer to that same question when speaking to a more liberal audience.

So please don't put him on a pedestal because he back-pedaled out of an uncomfortable question with one of his typical, slick, indecisive answers.

He knows exactly where he stands on conception, and when he believes a human life begins (or I would sincerely hope that he knows what his beliefs are,it's scary to think that he would be voting the way he does on the partial birth abortion issues WITHOUT doing so based on his own beliefs), and he should just speak up and say so like McCain did.

Posted by: Lee | Aug 21, 2008 12:25:20 AM


Obama is in a box. Every time he questions anything about McCain, all McCain's camp has to do is pick up one of the Obama books on the bestseller's list, and throw one of his many, many, many past indiscretions, associations and mistakes back at him. The only problem is picking what piece of dirt to throw.

Obama is toast! Bye. Bye.

Posted by: Anna | Aug 21, 2008 12:23:44 AM

anonandon andon andon: I said:"You neglected to remember how poorly Obama does in debates"
____________
Thee said:
"The only reason people perceive him as not doing well is because he doesn't give short 5 second talking points that can be replayed endlessly on news chann"


Right!

That's why Hillary had such a heck of a time keeping a straight face while patiently waiting for Obama's words to trickle from his brain to his tongue so that they could literally come tripping off his tongue.

Give me an "UGH"
Give me an "oof"

Posted by: EYES OPENING | Aug 21, 2008 12:21:27 AM

Guilt by association again. I don't care. There are much bigger issues.

McCain would be a dangerous President who would try to spread democracy through the use force and reenact the draft so your sons and daughters can't say no.

And in the Independent today, we hear of McCain's secret plan to kill the U.N.: "Charles Krauthammer, the conservative journalist who invented the plan, says: "What I like about it is, it's got a hidden agenda. It looks as if it's about listening and joining with allies... except the idea here, which McCain can't say but I can, is to essentially kill the UN. Nobody's going to walk out of the UN. There's a lot of emotional attachment to it in the US. How do you kill it? You create a parallel institution." Gradually – over decades – McCain hopes it would make the UN wither away."

Posted by: cincyr | Aug 21, 2008 12:15:44 AM

"You must have been just about the only one impressed with that outrageous line of Obama's during the Saddleback forum."

You mean I'm not supposed to be impressed with a respectful answer?

As a Christian, it is not up to Obama to decide when life begins. McCain's response showed no thought, and only pandered to low-information voters. It is sad that the evangelicals will end up voting for McCain (who no doubt is not actually a practicing Christian) rather than one of their own.

Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2008 12:11:52 AM

"1) Obama has never seen an abortion he didn't approve of."

That is a lie and a smear. What do you know, more lying from the McCain supporters. WHODATHUNKIT?

"2)He wants to bankrupt our country through the folly of socialized medicine. Look at Mexico, the only decent hospitals there are private ones."

Yes, let us look to Mexico for what works and what doesn't. Maybe we should take up their military directives and arbitrarily have our personnel invade countries with no reason. Oh wait...

"3) He doesn't want to drill, not even in places we have proven reserves."

Clearly the solution to replacing a commodity with a finite supply is to make the supply last 3 months longer. That's long term thinking from the republican party!

"4)His good friends are Ayers and Wright. A terrorist and a racist zenophobe."

Regrettable associations, but the Ayers association is purely harmless. Show some evidence that they are 'good friends' and not merely working associates. And don't use a rumored and unsubstantiated rumor of a party as evidence).

Posted by: anon | Aug 21, 2008 12:07:56 AM

Oh, Manitu,

You must have been just about the only one impressed with that outrageous line of Obama's during the Saddleback forum.

There was an absolutely wonderful article in the Boston Herald today that took Obama to task for his answer to the fetus question. The article went on to say that the last thing America needs in the White House is someone sitting beside the red button who feels that the decision whether to push it or not is "above their pay grade."

Posted by: Lee | Aug 21, 2008 12:05:52 AM

Ayers is a professor of Education. He teaches the people who hope to teach our children. This is a guy whose mantras included catchphrases such as "kill your parents."

Obama lied during a debate with Clinton when he said that Ayers taught English. Of course Clinton isn't going to call Obama out on that because Clinton's got a radical streak herself; both she and Obama studied agitation techniques under Saul Alinsky. Obama is simply more shameless about "rubbing the sores of discontent" as recommended by Alinsky.

Several months ago I had an interesting conversation with an acquaintance of retirement age who was trying to convince me that voting for Obama was in my "own best interest." When I mentioned Ayers and his unrepentant stance, she exclaimed that she agreed with Ayers and that he and his cronies should have blown up more stuff back in the day.

Posted by: Pro Nounced | Aug 20, 2008 11:48:41 PM

Obama's head tilt to the right is a sign of a great thinker.
*************************************

Glad to know that. Now I'll feel free uh to vote McCain whose thinking, you uh know, uh tilts uh uh to the uh right!

Posted by: oklahomahills | Aug 20, 2008 11:41:31 PM

"You neglected to remember how poorly Obama does in debates"

The only reason people perceive him as not doing well is because he doesn't give short 5 second talking points that can be replayed endlessly on news channels.

If you actually listen to what he is saying then he makes very valid points that make McCain's seem ill-thought, uninformed and, frankly, inexperienced.

Posted by: anon | Aug 20, 2008 11:40:10 PM

"The sooner he comes clean on this and stops stonewalling on the requested info"

-- I don't think McCain will be very happy with his supporters claiming all sorts of ridiculous documents. --

What documents are you speaking of, Willie? I take it you are refereing to those that detail his involvement with domestic terrorists in the Chicago (Ayers & Co.)area?

If you had read the article here instead of just a comment or two, you would see even ABC News admits this is a real problem issue for Obama:
"Rogers the raised the fact that, as the Chicago Tribune reports here, the University of Illinois this week refused to release records related to Obama's work with Ayers"

If Obama has nothing to fear he should have no problem with being upfront and forthcoming on this. This is not new, the Clinton campaign noted a while back these extremist links of Obama would prove to be of concern to Americans, to say the least. Obama's downward spiral in the polls show this to be the case.


Posted by: karen schell | Aug 20, 2008 11:36:51 PM

“Obama's head tilt to the right is a sign of a great thinker.”

A Great ???? WT.. ROFLMAO!!!!

The Great Thinker thought and thought and thought, then he said, uh, uh, ah, um, what I meant to say, uh, what umm um, that’s, that’s above my pay grade!

PUMA! 9.2 million Voters and counting, coming to the polls with You!

Feathers falling…

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Aug 20, 2008 11:35:33 PM

Puma people really aren't anything to worry about. But of course you think you are. First it was 18 million, now it's 9 million so you say. Sorry, don't buy it. You're not very good sales people. But I am glad you realize that blue states will go blue no matter what.

Posted by: puma what | Aug 20, 2008 11:34:20 PM

"After the first debate the choice will be clear. Obama08"
,,,Vanessa.

___________________

You neglected to remember how poorly Obama does in debates, probably on purpose so that you don't have to change the image of Obama you hold so dear to your heart.

I can understand that; I have a new puppy who, even when he piddles, I still love.....


Posted by: EYES OPENING | Aug 20, 2008 11:33:33 PM

I don't think I would trust polls.

Posted by: Iam4thisCountry | Aug 20, 2008 11:19:40 PM

Only if you are the one losing! There was an article about cell phones and other commonly raised questions--wish I had the link for you. They have it figured out.

Don't worry, you will see the real Republicans, yet. This is just sweet nothings.

O always over polls. It is the Bradley Effect. He will come in 5-9 points lower in the election (GE) verses a poll.

Posted by: oklahomahills | Aug 20, 2008 11:33:17 PM

" I woud prefer a president that actually thinks before he opens his mouth!!!"

Well then disqualify McCain. He doesn't think, he just parrots talking points. That's not thought.

Posted by: anon | Aug 20, 2008 11:33:01 PM

People with slim resumes...
have slim physicals..... -

or people having deletions on their resumes have deletions in their physicals.

Posted by: pls go away | Aug 20, 2008 11:31:45 PM

-Canadian heath care is a mess-

yes, but a messy health care system is better than the richest country in the world having 70 million of uninsured and under-insured. 70 million out of 300 million. those are embarrassing statistics that any person that loves this country and what it stands for should feel shame. we are all Americans on this issue.

Posted by: pls go away | Aug 20, 2008 11:29:47 PM

Oklahomahills:

Obama's head tilt to the right is a sign of a great thinker. Remember, he taught Constitutional Law. The same when he says Hmmmmm. I woud prefer a president that actually thinks before he opens his mouth!!!

Posted by: Iam4thisCountry | Aug 20, 2008 11:29:03 PM

""(how many pages was his health record from the past few years? Wasn't it hundreds of pages?)"
william van tangerine
_____________________
... and Obama's was about a paragraph long, signed by his favorite doctor.

People with slim resumes...
have slim physicals.....

Posted by: EYES OPENING | Aug 20, 2008 11:27:31 PM

Willem van Oranje -

for someone so accusative against McCain and his military record and positions, you sure admire a military figure in history responsible for 100 years of war.

Posted by: pls go away | Aug 20, 2008 11:24:37 PM

What will puma do in the blue states.

Posted by: puma what | Aug 20, 2008 11:15:04 PM

Same thing they will do in the swing states, except it will make a different there. Actually, I not sure of that anymore. In a McCain landslide it may not matter.

Don't you love us? You keep asking about us. But don't go Fatal Attraction on us, now.

Want to see my birth certificate?

PUMA

Posted by: oklahomahills | Aug 20, 2008 11:23:49 PM

Polls mean nothing. They can't poll people who do not have phones. Most people, like me, only have a cell phone. don't need a land line. And if you look at the past presidential elections. The candidates were not that far apart in the polls. infact, I forget who, but one won and was -.5% in the polls. Some were only a few points apart. I don't think I would trust polls. Maybe they worked in past elections but we did not have all the technology that we do now and we did not have 24/7 news. Obama will win, because if he does not, we will be following Bin Laden to the gates of Hell.

Posted by: Iam4thisCountry | Aug 20, 2008 11:19:40 PM

"The sooner he comes clean on this and stops stonewalling on the requested info"

Honey, I don't think McCain will be very happy with his supporters claiming all sorts of ridiculous documents. McCain is Chairman of IRI.
IRI has been implicated in a LOT of VERY QUESTIONABLE and probable ILLEGAL activities.

You can expect to hear a lot about IRI in the coming months. McCain has a lot of skeletons in his own closet.

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | Aug 20, 2008 11:18:55 PM

If these so call PUMA (Hillary supporters) 9.2 million donated just $3.00 her debt would be paid.

These are not Hillary supporters their republicans posing as democrats same on this blog.-

Right, except, the obligation lies with NObama. He got her supporters millions, but the ungracious slug hasn't come through for her, we are waiting. And we are not republicans, but we will be voting Republican.

Posted by: pls go away | Aug 20, 2008 11:18:39 PM

Canadian heath care is a mess - even its founder has rececently stated that he wishes that he never should have proposed it. Anyone know that there are actually lotteries in many Canadian locations where the winners move up the latter for appointments to see doctors.

Posted by: Manitu | Aug 20, 2008 11:17:46 PM

If these so call PUMA (Hillary supporters) 9.2 million donated just $3.00 her debt would be paid.

These are not Hillary supporters their republicans posing as democrats same on this blog.

Posted by: Vanessa | Aug 20, 2008 11:16:04 PM

What foreign policy stance has Hillary taken?
Posted by: roxanne | Aug 20, 2008 10:50:21 PM

Roxanne, sweetie, I hate to tell you, but we just had a primary. Do you remember where O got his stance? That's why they call him zerox.

Oh, you were too busy with Canada lies and not agreeing with Bill on nafta lies? Yes, the nafta that he now claims Bill was so right on. (Reagan is crying.) Or is he yet to figured it out?

Posted by: oklahomahills | Aug 20, 2008 11:15:15 PM

What will puma do in the blue states.

Posted by: puma what | Aug 20, 2008 11:15:04 PM

this is the best obama has against McCain???
wow! the shows Obama is indeed in trouble.

Posted by: frieda | Aug 20, 2008 11:12:55 PM

We're in the Carter phase of 1980. After the first debate the choice will be clear. Obama08

Posted by: Vanessa | Aug 20, 2008 11:12:55 PM

"(how many pages was his health record from the past few years? Wasn't it hundreds of pages?)"

It was. And reporters got 20 minutes to take a look at it.

Why won't he release them on the Internet? So we all can get a look at it?

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | Aug 20, 2008 11:10:58 PM

Manitu:

Thank you.

Posted by: Iam4thisCountry | Aug 20, 2008 11:10:19 PM

Sorry for the confusion Deborah. There is another poster here by the name of Debra. I did not mean to imply anything about you.

Posted by: dk | Aug 20, 2008 11:10:05 PM

Sorry for the confusion Deborah. There is another poster here by the name of Debra. I did not mean to imply anything about you.

Take pride, America, this is the man who you are voting to run your country!

Posted by: dk | Aug 20, 2008 11:09:51 PM

-9.2 million voters and $50,000 in donations.-

50,000 by one of over 250 organizations nitwit..do not underestimate the power of the people, never, ever underestimate them. now go drink some more kool-aid

Posted by: pls | Aug 20, 2008 11:09:25 PM

Point 5:

McCain says that we have the highest corporate taxes in the world. Maybe. But, we have the lowest federal income tax in the Modern world. England, Germany, Japan, Canada; all have higher income taxes than us. What they have is health care for all. They pay for it with their income taxes. Obama is for the Middle class. McCain has never been middle class. The government has paid for all his medical needs since he was born. He has 9 or 10 homes. They have their own Jet and his shoes cost over $500 a pair!!! I can see how in touch with the middle class he is.

Posted by: Iam4thisCountry | Aug 20, 2008 11:08:07 PM

Obama's numbers were plummeting even before his extremely embarrassing appearance at the Saddleback forum. Unless he quickly renounces his past involvement with domestic terrorism his numbers will take an even deeper plunge. The sooner he comes clean on this and stops stonewalling on the requested info, the easier things will be on him. His mistake in holding on to the anti-America Jeremiah Wright for too long should have taught him that lesson.

Posted by: Karen Schell | Aug 20, 2008 11:07:31 PM

This is not the only time McCain has consired a draft.

Last September, McCain said, “I might consider it if you could design a draft where everybody equally could serve.”

With McCain's penchant to wage war all over the world (Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan), a draft would definitely be in order.

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | Aug 20, 2008 11:07:29 PM

dk - my name is Deborah and not Debra. I speak truth to power. I do not get my information from Sean or Rush. I get my information from Black Talk. I must tell you - all of the caller are well educated and can run circle around McCain. Yes, McCain support Bush tax cut for the rich and nothing for the middle class. I know you heard about McCain have a lobbyist who made deals with the Georgia. He knows all about that mess that is going on with Russia and Georgia. We need to watch this situation more closely. I smell a rat before the election.

Posted by: Deborah | Aug 20, 2008 11:07:19 PM

LeeLee07

PUMA - $50,000 dollars raised.

Posted by: roxanne | Aug 20, 2008 11:06:52 PM

Iam4thiscountry

I thought Obama did a good job, too - I ESPECIALLY LIKED THE ONE ABOUT "THIS IS ABOVE MY PAY GRADE!!" VERY PRESIDENTIAL!!

Posted by: Manitu | Aug 20, 2008 11:05:32 PM

-And she won the bulk of the primaries thereafter in the closing months of the Democratic primaries and won 500,000 more votes than he did and almost took it away from him." - David Gergen CNN

Well, this should put an end to Obama disputing Hillary won the popular vote. If pro Obama CNN states it, it has to be official for them.

Let's take it to Denver.

Posted by: pls go away | Aug 20, 2008 11:05:27 PM

Maybe Obama doesn't release his health records because his health was never called into question? You know with the basketball and semi-frequent trips to the gym?

McCain has questionable health (how many pages was his health record from the past few years? Wasn't it hundreds of pages?).

The question of Obama's health does not bear asking. That's why nobody has asked.

Posted by: anon | Aug 20, 2008 11:03:47 PM

"McCain is 72 and released his medical records (Hillary too, and his hero, Ronald Reagan too). Why does O refuse to do the same?

He is always tired and going on vacation--does he have HIV "

Wow... Just wow.

McCain says that he takes 2 or 3 hour naps every afternoon.

When the phone rings at 3 pm, will he be awake to answer the phone?

Posted by: anon | Aug 20, 2008 11:01:20 PM

Deborah.

PLEASE...... Questions were a piece of cake for McCain as he has been answering THE SAME QUESTIONS THIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN - NO MYSTERY HERE IF MY CANDIDATE BLEW IT AS OBAMA DID, I PROBABLY WOULD CRY,TOO. MCCAIN WAS PREPARED AND CAME OFF AS PRESIDENTIAL - PICKED UP A LOT OF FENCE SITTERS ALSO!!

Posted by: Manitu | Aug 20, 2008 11:00:39 PM

McCain was born in Panama! But we're splitting hairs!

Posted by: roxanne | Aug 20, 2008 10:39:09 PM

McCain showed his bc proved that he is a natural born citizen. What is wrong that O can't do the same?

McCain is 72 and released his medical records (Hillary too, and his hero, Ronald Reagan too). Why does O refuse to do the same?

He is always tired and going on vacation--does he have HIV or mental illness? He has a very severe head tilt to the right side of his body. Look at the Saddleback clip, for instance, but others as well.

Posted by: oklahomahills | Aug 20, 2008 10:59:05 PM

Hey Willem van Oranje,

Nice edit on both the question and the answer. You are severly misrepresenting both the question and the answer. McCain has spoken out against the draft more than even Obama. Neither of the candidates wants the draft, and as someone else pointed out, congress has to enact the draft, not the president.

Posted by: caleb | Aug 20, 2008 10:58:29 PM

“McCain cheated his way at the forum on Saturday.”

Get over it. Your man gave a pitiful performance and all of America saw it live and in living color. We realize that you are trying to provide a distraction, but as you can tell by the polls, it’s not working.

PUMA! 9.2 million Voters and counting, coming to the polls with You!

cluck…

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Aug 20, 2008 10:57:46 PM


McCain does not support the draft. He is one of the most outspoken people on this topic. The lady was rambling on and on and it was obvious he didn't hear her comment on the draft.

Not that it matters to the Obama clan, but the president can't order a draft anyway, congress has to do it.

Posted by: Draft?

You can't be serious! Why is it that