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**** Does that mean that they're saying Howard Wolfson doesn't know what he's talking about? ****

Isn't Wolfson the fool who helped Hillary Clinton go down in an embarrassment of flames during and after the primary season?

Why would Barack Obama who is currently enjoying the benefit of Wolfson's ignorance listen to what he has to say?

I think the Panama birth and raising by a US military family should be fully exposed, hand in hand with the Hawaiian birth and raising in Hawaii and Indonesia for Obama.

Full disclosure of all information is always the best policy. Please note that McCain has never shied away from the fact that he was born in the Panama US zone and was there as a young child. Obama has run as fast as he can ever since the primaries ended from any reference to his 5 years in Indonesia and attending school in Indonesia.

JG, What about McCain being born in Panama, which is not a state in The United States of America?? How do you feel about that?? Yes, I know, his dad was in the Navy and was stationed in Panama; however, McCain was NOT BORN AND RAISED within our borders...until he was a older. I asked for your take on this but I didn't see a reply in your post.

Why are Democrats so afraid of the Clintons?

Why do they spend so much time sucking up to the Clintons and worrying about whether they are happy or sad?

The Clintons are doing just fine without you guys....they've managed to rake in $100 million a year without a single blue collar voter's help. And for all the women who are wringing their hands, please remember that Hillary didn't seek you out until after she lost Iowa and looked to lose New Hampshire.

Until Democrats are able to let go of their fear of "what will Bill and Hillary think" and stand on their own two feet, they will continue to lose presidential elections.

McCain's counting on it.

Posted by: Suzanne
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I don't believe the real democrats are asking that question, "What does Hilliary want", or "think". Her fanatical supporters keep whimpering about how bad Hilliary had it during the campaign; what they KNOW but refuse to admit is that Hilliary and Bill, and her campaign, did a lot of negative things which begged for negative press, and those supporters blame Senator Obama and the DNC, so the press is the one asking those specific questions. As far as I am concerned, I do not care WHAT the Clintons want, Hilliary lost, Senator Obama won fair and square, period, there should be no further discussion. I saw PUMA today, what a bunch of crazies, making up all kinds of false accusations. This group is NOT democratic, they are like Cindy Shehan(sp) just seeking attention for themselves. They are not concerned about our country or the democratic party, they are only concerned about WHAT THEY WANT: A woman of president; they are blind to everything, and I mean everything else. Their attitude is everbody else is wrong and we are the ONLY ONES that are RIGHT!! In my book, they are egotists who probably don't really care about Hilliary herself, Minnie Mouse could be running for president and they'd still behave in the same manner, as long as the candidate is female. I am certain that should the media stop asking the question, it would just slip away into oblivian. I, too, get sick and tired of the question being posed consistently. Who care what the Clintons want, this election is NOT about them and it is time they acknowledge as much! But you know the Clintons, they believe the limelight belongs to THEM!!

Well Willie, you certainly came full circle with that last comment - accusing me of hysteria because I point out that the use of hysteria robs potentially persuasive arguments of their full power.

Deny it all you like, but the major message of the Obama campaign in both the Kansas ad and the convention (as ongoing and to come) is that Obama is from the "heartland of America".

The hair splitting claim that Obama only says his "roots" are in Kansas, not that he is actually from the "heartland of America", is simply not true. The entire purpose of the Kansas ad was to send the message that Obama is from the heartland of America, when, indeed, he is not.

Posted by: JG
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JG, Senator Obama has NEVER claimed to be from the heartland of Kansas!! He has often talked of his grandparents living in Kansas and raising his mom in Kansas. Sorry, your obsession with this is beginning to affect your mind where now you are imagining things. If I were you, I'd give it a rest and go play a game of volleyball or something to relax you. {*_*)

I do think claiming Obama is from the "heartland of America" is a major stretch at best and a intentional misrepresentation at worst.

Posted by: JG
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JG, are you STILL on Senator Obama's Kansas roots? My, you sure are obsessed with this aren't you. Better be careful, you'll wake up at 3:00 AM chanting, Obama does not have Kansas roots, he was born in Hawaii and that is not part of the Continental United States, he did not live in Kansas, he did not live in Kansas! (Repeated over and over again!!) The fact is his grandparents were FROM Kansas, they LIVED there with their daughter until they all moved to Washington State and moved to Hawaii. His grandparents raised him from age 10 unti he left for college, they and his mom TAUGHT him THEIR VALUES AND THEIR WAY OF LIFE. As you know, while we might feel one way in New York City, there are people in Washington State who do not feel the same way---this is very true throughout the United States. It has a lot to do with HOW we are raised and what we are taught. Wouldn't you agree with this?? I believe Senator Obama's values and morals are outstanding, for instance: one house, one spouse and two beautful and lovely little girls who are loved and cherished by their parents, Barack and Michelle Obama! Nothing can replace that kind of love and commitment, NOTHING!

When Obama loses and he will he will join the loser ranks he stole to get where he is at.

From PUMA:

Rezko’s Boys: Obama and Biden

It doesn’t happen often, but it’s about to happen in 2008. A convicted fixer is about to have two of his boys as the official nominees of the democratic party.

Who might those two be? Why, Obama and Biden of course.

In today’s Chicago Sun-Times it is indicated that Biden’s Midwest Campaign manager in the 1988 presidential primary, a guy who also maintained ties with Biden in the early part of his 2008 run, is a key figure in the Tony Rezko trialk. We are referring to none other than Joseph Cari.

Cari pled guilty to a federal extortion charge this year, and like his “mentor”, Tony Rezko is currently awaiting sentencing.

Very appropriate!

Let's see, McCain is a rich man, and a very nasty rich man at that....so he has Hades for which to look forward!! McCain has poor judgement, poor family values, does not honor his wifes, lies like a rug, besmirches others with his slander, has no integrity, is extremely dishonest, is a many-time adulterer and a gold digger, never merited going to the Naval Academy, never merited getting his fighter jet pilot license, and remained in the U.S. Navy even AFTER crashing five fighter jets, setting an aircraft carrier on fire, and killing 135 comrades. How could all these "freebees on a silver platter" have happened? Both McCain's grandfather and father were high-ranking Navy admirals; they used their power and influene to have little Johnny Boy admitted to the Naval Academy which Little Johhny Boy almost flunked -- graduated 294 out of 999 of his class, which means an average of Ds and D minuses!! Anybody in this category would NOT have received his "wings"! Hey, but the dual admirals to the rescue again!! Anyone who did the things LIttle Johnny Boy did in the Navy (see above) would have been courtmartialled and sent to prison, or at the very least, been kicked out of the service. Guess what? The dual admirals to Little Johnny Boy's rescue YET AGAIN!! When 40 year old Little Johnny Boy returns from Nam, he is unhappy with his wife's appearance---a beauty and a model who had been in a near-fatal accident. The doctors had to remove parts of her leg bones, which were shattered, in order to prevent amputation, Thus she was 5 inches shorter, had put on some weight, and walked with a definite limp. Little Johnny Boy decided he no longer wanted or loved his wife and three children, so he hit the mongering lifestyle, finally settling on 22-year old Cindy, a rich, rich young woman. They shacked up togeter, bought their marriage license BEFORE the divorce was final and promptly married five weeks after finalization of the divorce. Both Cindy & Little Johnny Boy (age 40) had low moral ethics and low family values!! What has changed since then?? Furthermore, Cindy's daddy was a rich, rich man who was very powerful and influential in the political arena, he is the one who introduced and used his power an influence to get little Johnny Boy into the Congreas. So,you see, Littl Johnny Boy never had to work hard for anything, EVERYTHING WAS HANDED TO HIM ON A SILVER PLATTER WHETHER HE DESERVED OR NOT!! Cindy, after being marrie to McCain, worked for a children's charity; she got caught stealing prescribed medication to support her drug habit. Did she get punished for stealing drugs and possession of drugs?? Heck no, heck her husband was in the U.S. Congress and her Daddy was still rich, powerful and influential. Folks these are things for which the average Joe and average Cindy end up in jail for doing! Do we really want them in our White House?? I think NOT!

Obama is really upset about an ad linking him to the unrepentant domestic terrorists Ayers. McCain's campaign staff reply:

"The fact that Barack Obama chose to launch his political career at the home of an unrepentant terrorist raises more questions about Senator Obama's judgment than any TV ad ever could," said McCain spokesman Brian Rogers.

Well Willie, you certainly came full circle with that last comment - accusing me of hysteria because I point out that the use of hysteria robs potentially persuasive arguments of their full power.

Deny it all you like, but the major message of the Obama campaign in both the Kansas ad and the convention (as ongoing and to come) is that Obama is from the "heartland of America".

The hair splitting claim that Obama only says his "roots" are in Kansas, not that he is actually from the "heartland of America", is simply not true. The entire purpose of the Kansas ad was to send the message that Obama is from the heartland of America, when, indeed, he is not.

JG "I do think claiming Obama is from the "heartland of America" is a major stretch"

Me: The major stretch is you claiming that Obama saus he is *from* Kansas. Obama doesn't, he says he has roots in Kansas.

But your never going to acknowledge that you are misrepresenting Barack.

But I noticed a major case of cognitive dissonance when you blamed Nina of ‘hysterics’ and in the next sentence claimed, "overhyped drama robs hardcore Obama supporters of the full persuasive power of their arguments."

There's some major hysterics and ad hominems going on right there, but contrary to your believes, it's coming from you.

im just kidding obammas gonna kick butt

I do think claiming Obama is from the "heartland of America" is a major stretch at best and a intentional misrepresentation at worst.

Nina:

There is no need for such hysterics, I do believe the overhyped drama robs hardcore Obama supporters of the full persuasive power of their arguments.

That aside, my family is from England, Scotland, Ireland and Germany, with a little Native American (Mohawks) after my ancestors got over to North America.

That does not mean I have European roots. I do think the Obama campaign is doing what it must to push the narrative that Obama is from the "heartland of America" (see first general election campaign ad, "Kansas") to get Obama elected. No other strategy will work.

My point is that a strategy that claims Obama is from the "heartland of America" even though he did not set foot in continental America until he was 18 or 19 is logically inconsistent with claiming Biden is the "average Joe from Scranton PA" when Biden left PA when he was 10.

The two narratives cannot stand together under logical scrutiny, notwithstanding emotional outbursts and ad hominems.

the funny thing is even though this is getting blown out of proportion I am sure...

of course Obama will "honor" clinto with a few lines...

and this all just makes Bill Clinton look worse and makes people lean just a little more away from them and more to the future so

all in all it's probably a good thing...that in the midst of the dems trying to honor the 40th anniversary of Bobby kennedy running and getting shot and Ted Kennedy coming to the end game of a long battle that makes any pol look like a volunteer...

we are worrying if Obama is talking enough about Bill Clinton's legacy...

I know it sounds like an attack but ...you know his worry about his dang legacy isn't that why we got in the situation we did at the close of his administration...

I am a little disgusted.

sorry but how can you not be bothered by the fact that here he is worrying about the same stupid crap that caused him to lie on the damn witness stand and worrying about hias legacy lying to us.

I think lots of great things happened during his administration but...even Hillary must be like... Bill's ego just makes you want to... choke the living crap out of him doesn't it?

and again it's not about getting Hillary through this...it's about his legacy. ugh.

Posted by: dl | Aug 25
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dl, Amen! Also, Senator Obama is giving his acceptance speech on the very same date that Dr. Martin Luther King, II, gave his famous "I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH"!! Dr. King must be smiling broadly and saying, "Amen, Amen!" for, you see, his dream IS, up to this point, becoming reality!! And to that,I say, Thank YOU, Dr. King, for your enduring message, your hard works, your bravery, your "I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH" and the ultimate price which you paid for EQUALITY in these United States! Thank you, Sir!

JG
"Obama did not even live in the continential United States until he was 18 or 19"
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Oh, nice one. Hawaii is not REALLY America. Because it's not ‘continental’.

Want to redefine anything else. West Coast is not ‘really’ America? East Coast is not ‘really’ America? Only Texas is really America?
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JG, I have been reading your posts and I find you to be to be overly preoccupied with Senator Obama's "Kansas roots". Do you know the difference between having Kansas roots and living in Kansas? What country did your family come from originally?? For example, was it London, but you never lived there? That would define YOU as having "London Roots" because that is from where your family orignated. The same applies to Senator Obama. His Kansas roots might even be fresher than yours considering his Mom lived in Kansas, as did his grandfather and grandmother. I think it is time you stopped trying to find lint wwhere there is none. And, YES, Hawaii is as much a part of the United States as California and the rest of the states that make up "THE United States of America.

Which prompts me to say, McCain was born in Panama which is not a State of the United Stats. I am curious to see how you feel about HIM not being born in the United States.

"n an interview with the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune published September 26, 2004, Democratic Senate candidate Barack Obama said he would favor the use of “surgical” missile strikes against Iran if it failed to bow to Washington’s demand that it eliminate its nuclear energy program. Obama also said that, in the event of a coup that removed the Musharraf regime in Pakistan, the US should attack that nation’s nuclear arsenal."

Willem:

Hawaii is not in the continental United States. Like it or not, that is the truth.

It appears that anytime a fact is presented that you do not like, you simply make fun of it instead of coming to grips with the reality.

Obama's campaign saying he's from the "heartland of America" (see "Kansas" ad, Obama's first general election ad) when the man did not set foot in continental America until after he graduated high school is disingenious at best and intentionally misleading at worst.

No amount of Madison avenue spin can change the basic facts of Obama's whereabouts the past 47 years.

So Wolfson is demanding that Obama grovel to the Clintons at the convention? Well, if Obama can't handle a has-been like Bill Clinton, folks like Putin and bin Laden will eat his lunch on the internatinal scene. Its time to man-up people, this isn't the minor leagues.

Posted by: J. Nickell
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Do you really KNOW why Bill is so angry? I don't think it is so much that Hiliary lost, it is that he, Bill Clinton, lost! He "inserted himself into her "ticket", you know, the two for one deal? Just like when he ran for Prez in 1992 and 1996. Bill Clinton is especially angry at this young man who is black literally knocked down the "Formidable Mighty CLINTONIAN MACHINE" which has lorded it over the Dems since 1992! THAT is what Bill is really upset about. You see, that Formidable Mighty Clintonian machine ceased to exist once Senator Obama won 12 contests in a row and it was clear Hilliary would not be able to catch up. Then when Senator Obama was formally named the winner, that was it, the end of that formidable mighty Clintonion machine. Bill is still trying to hang on to that title when in actuality it no longer applies and no longer exists. Time for Bill to accept what "is" is!