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A Piggish Debate

September 09, 2008 8:42 PM

Last October, asked about Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was blunt.

McCain said Clinton's proposal was “eerily” similar to the ill-fated plan she devised in 1993.

“I think they put some lipstick on a pig,” he said, “but it’s still a pig.”

A common expression, right?

McCain surely wasn't calling Clinton a pig.

After all, McCain's former press secretary, Torie Clarke, wrote a book called "Lipstick on a Pig: Winning in the No-Spin Era."

Elizabeth Edwards told some health journalists that McCain's health care plan was like “painting lipstick on a pig.”

Tonight Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of McCain painting himself as a change agent, "You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."

The crowd rose and applauded.

(Some of them no doubt were thinking he may have been in some way alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.")

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years. We’ve had enough of the same old thing! It’s time to bring about real change to Washington.  And that’s the choice you’ve got in this election."

Obama's campaign insisted that he was not alluding to Palin at all.

"That expression is older than my grandfather's grandfather," said Obama campaign spox Jen Psaki, "and it means that you can dress something up but it doesn't change what it is. He was talking pretty clearly about the fact that you can't just call yourself change when you've voted with George Bush 90 percent of the time."

Obama has used the expression before. Last September, around the time McCain said it about Clinton's health care plan.

"I think that both Gen. Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment," Obama said in a telephone interview. "George Bush has given a mission to Gen. Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig."

Why should anyone believe McCain didn't mean it about Hillary Clinton, but Obama meant it about Palin?

And yet, the inaugural conference call of what the McCain-Palin campaign is calling the "Palin Truth Squad" addressed Obama's remark.

And interestingly, the Truth Squad call was full of half-truths and statements that weren't true at all.

Speaking on behalf of the McCain campaign, former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift tonight flatly stated that Obama had called Palin a pig.

"[T]he formation of the Palin Truth Squad couldn't have happened too soon, as we saw when Sen. Obama in Lebanon, Va., this evening uttered what I can only deem to be disgraceful comments comparing our vice presidential nominee Gov. Palin to a pig," Swift said.

"Sen. Obama owes Gov. Palin an apology," she said.

Asked why she was so confident Obama was "comparing" Palin to a pig, she said Palin was the only one of the four candidates on both parties' tickets who wears lipstick.

"She is the only one of the four candidates for president, or the only vice presidential candidate who wears lipstick," Swift said. "I mean, it seemed to me a very gendered comment."

But, Swift added, if "as part of his apology Sen. Obama wants to say, no, he was calling Sen. McCain -- who is a true hero in our country -- a pig, then I suppose we could wait en masse for an apology to that, as well."

It was pointed out to Swift that, after the line about the pig, Obama had said, "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,' it's still gonna stink after eight years."

Swift then suggested that Obama was calling McCain a fish.

"I have a fourth-grader and two second-graders at home," she said. "I would not teach them that this is sort of a high-minded debate on policy issues when they are calling people rotten old fish or a pig. In fact, it sounds a lot like some of the least intelligent debates on the playground sound like at our elementary school."

A reporter then reminded Swift that in December, McCain was asked about criticisms coming his way from then-opponent Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., and McCain replied, "Never get into a wrestling match with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it."

Was McCain calling Romney a pig? a reporter asked Swift.

Of course not, Swift said.

It seems to me we should have one rule. If Obama was calling Palin a pig, then McCain was calling Hillary Clinton one. If McCain wasn't, then Obama wasn't.

- jpt

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Thanks Jake for the factual information & the objectivity! Obviously, context is everything & no one called anyone a pig, though McCain seems to have come closest in the Romney remark. Still, I doubt VERY much that he was seriously trying to say Romney was a pig.

Anyone, who thinks or cries that Obama was talking about Palin when he uttered the pig expression is either incapable of following conversation, biased as hell or both!

May truth always prevail.

Sincerely,
Susie S.

Posted by: flyhead | Sep 25, 2008 9:58:32 AM

Our name should be a national joke!

Posted by: The Palin Truth Squad | Sep 21, 2008 1:47:57 PM

His comments were no innocent common expressions. They show utter contempt for Pallin.
He is a consumate speaker. Growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii, using words with double meaning is a way of getting back at your oppressors.
Consider his calling the small town WHY SILLY in stead of Wasellia. Or Calling her a MooSHooTER pidkin instead of Moose hunter: and the latest lipstick on a pig. Another word for pig is HOG,Notice also the smirk on his face as he says these words as he played a private prank that nobody else knows. Islanders know.

Posted by: Yavad123 | Sep 14, 2008 5:40:27 AM

Don't forget that you supported and defended her against all logic. it is you who would sacrifice the republic to your vanity.

Shamelessly you leer at her form. She is going to ruin the country because she doesn't have time for facts, or issues, or even general information.

She doesn't know anything but you want her. If she is ever president then it is your fault. If you like her you must have ... BUSH.

Posted by: Petra | Sep 12, 2008 9:37:23 AM

I cant believe that we are going this far on a comment that is as old as John McCain is. I mean of Sarah Palin can throw out comments to people and then can't take it then we already know she is not ready. Should she become VP it will be worse, so she needs to grow some thick skin. What is even more disgusiting than that is for all of this attention to be placed on this mess instead of on the issues. They act like people are not concerned about gas prices, and high food prices. I mean you are telling us her being criticized is more important than what is affecting all of us, and we are buying into this. Hillary Clinton said it so well when she told the crowd at a debate that her and all the other candidates are going to be ok, but we the hard working middle class families are the ones that should be concerned. Instead we follow after this mess like it makes a big difference in the whole scheme of things. Worse than that, white women say they wanted Hillary Clinton, and John McCain finds a woman that no one knows and we fall over her, and she does not hold the values or the same stand on the issues that Hillary did, and we run right behind her before she has proven anything, before we even knows what she is all about. I mean why did we support Hillary because she was a woman only. I mean I have to wonder what we are thinking. We need to think about what we are doing.

Posted by: Linda | Sep 11, 2008 6:32:27 PM

McCain footage, JUST FOUND. Read it here: Film shows McCain's release from Vietnamese

Posted by: ablanche08 | Sep 11, 2008 3:34:13 PM

lipstick is the least of McCain & Palin's worries.
The fact is that neither of them knows what even a modicum of truth is anymore.

When Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska took center stage at the Republican convention last week, she sought to burnish her executive credentials by telling how she had engineered the deal that jump-started a long-delayed gas pipeline project.

The reality, however, is far more ambiguous than the impression Ms. Palin has left at the convention and on the campaign trail.

Certainly she proved effective in attracting developers to a project that has eluded Alaska governors for three decades. But an examination of the pipeline project also found that Ms. Palin has overstated both the progress that has been made and the certainty of success.

The pipeline exists only on paper. The first section has yet to be laid, federal approvals are years away and the pipeline will not be completed for at least a decade. In fact, although it is the centerpiece of Ms. Palin’s relatively brief record as governor, the pipeline might never be built, and under a worst-case scenario, the state could lose up to $500 million it committed to defray regulatory and other costs.

Posted by: Jazzman | Sep 11, 2008 2:45:05 PM

I Just can not understand how McCain could pick a woman with so Little Knowlege of American Democracy! I feel Obama has been a Senator and Harvard Graduate ~ to know many important people to Help him Run this country ! We have to be on Guard as to who McCain would help him will they be quilfied !God forbid if he is elected and does not live out his term Sara would become President what a disaster.
I respect her as a Mother and a woman / But not as My President as there were far more woman republican woman who would have been more quilfied .Split second decision .!!!

Posted by: ruth | Sep 11, 2008 2:10:32 PM

Are you McCain-Palin supports totally insane?

Would you like fewer women's rights when McCain-Palin stack the supreme court with more extreme conservative judges which has long term effects for decades to come?

Obama is not perfect by any means, but for your own good, vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

Posted by: CE | Sep 11, 2008 12:37:36 PM

This is complete nonsense. What does it say about a candidate of a certain age when he becomes cranky and hyper-sensitive over remarks he totally misinterprets or perhaps mis-heard? What oes it say about both politcal parties when they attempt to impose politically correct hyper-sensitive speech codes on debate? This is everything that's wrong with politocal porthodoxy and has me wondering whether McCain is just self-righteous or is slipping into senility.

Posted by: dem-dog | Sep 11, 2008 12:10:14 PM

I think it's funny that Mccain's former press secretary has a book aptly titled "Lipstick on a Pig" (search it on Amazon). Get over it. Republicans are hypocrites. Plain and simple. American people - you are getting conned and distracted by the right wing. Take a deep breath, think about your family and the issues at hand and block out the Republican noise. We have suffered 8 long years to keep this going.

Posted by: RJ | Sep 11, 2008 11:46:04 AM

Large Hadron Collider experiment was almost blocked by a scared, vocal minority of Right Wing Cooks Religious Cooks convinced that turning on the LHC would spell doom for the earth. Yet some simple research and background in fairly basic science should have been enough to allay the fears generated by the LHC project. Again, Stephen Hawking:

Perhaps the Right wingers attack on science is having an affect in that our students lag the all other first world science in science education.
And now we have a VP candidate who actually supports the nonsense of Creationism. If you believe in creationism then you would have to reject all of Physics, Biology, Geology, Archeology, Mathematics and on and on.

Palin is a member of the
“Flat Earth Society”

Obama Biden ‘08

Posted by: God Particle | Sep 11, 2008 11:33:53 AM

The lipstick on a pig comment speaks to the truth: McCain's only Economic policy is to tell you to go get a McJob after your good job is shipped overseas. Republicans are only concerned with padding CEO stock options and lining golden parachutes. If we have to endure any more deregulation-corruption-bailout cycles, our economy is in real trouble! Enough with the Greed Over People party! P.S. If you think the pig comment was alluding to Palin, you are correct--she was an Alaskan Pork Queen before she declared herself a "maverick" reformer.

Posted by: MatthewStLouis314 | Sep 11, 2008 11:20:18 AM

Showing again that the Republicans have absolutely nothing to offer. Rovian politics: attack, attack, attack! The sad thing is the American sheeple fall for it every time. It's hard to watch my country disintegrate like this.

Posted by: Gus | Sep 11, 2008 11:18:08 AM

It seems as though the McCain campaign somehow feels that it has a patent on lipstick and a copyright on all lipstick comments. But by "fuming" over Obama's remark that quite clearly was not directed at Palin, they made a strategical error and themselves created the image of Palin as a lipstick-wearing pig. NOT a good move on their part...

Posted by: raflin1 | Sep 11, 2008 10:59:41 AM


Who are you protecting?

Posted by: NORMAN | Sep 11, 2008 10:27:31 AM

Vic, NO it doesn't jab at Palin: You can put lipstick on an apple, and it's still an apple. You can put lipstick on a chair, and it's still a chair. You can put lipstick on a pencil, and it's still a pencil. You can put lipstick on love, and it's still love. You can put spin on McCain/Bush policy, and it's still McCain/Bush policy. Get it NOW? It's a play on WORDS, not a jab at a PERSON.

Posted by: Paula | Sep 11, 2008 9:18:05 AM

Republican attack machine - meet the Democrat attack machine. Let's get down and dirty and RUMBLE!!!!!

Posted by: Bob | Sep 11, 2008 9:16:27 AM

Obama's remark "Lipstick on a Pig", gaff or calculated?

Only if you believe Barrack Obama is a gifted orator who knows how to play to an audience, would you be offended by a remark that seemingly jabs Sarah Palin?


Posted by: Vic | Sep 11, 2008 7:43:09 AM

What's this? The GOP, a bunch of whiners? OMG - the sky is falling!

Posted by: Jane | Sep 11, 2008 7:22:06 AM

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