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Thanks Jake for the factual information & the objectivity! Obviously, context is everything & no one called anyone a pig, though McCain seems to have come closest in the Romney remark. Still, I doubt VERY much that he was seriously trying to say Romney was a pig.

Anyone, who thinks or cries that Obama was talking about Palin when he uttered the pig expression is either incapable of following conversation, biased as hell or both!

May truth always prevail.

Sincerely,
Susie S.

Our name should be a national joke!

His comments were no innocent common expressions. They show utter contempt for Pallin.
He is a consumate speaker. Growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii, using words with double meaning is a way of getting back at your oppressors.
Consider his calling the small town WHY SILLY in stead of Wasellia. Or Calling her a MooSHooTER pidkin instead of Moose hunter: and the latest lipstick on a pig. Another word for pig is HOG,Notice also the smirk on his face as he says these words as he played a private prank that nobody else knows. Islanders know.

Don't forget that you supported and defended her against all logic. it is you who would sacrifice the republic to your vanity.

Shamelessly you leer at her form. She is going to ruin the country because she doesn't have time for facts, or issues, or even general information.

She doesn't know anything but you want her. If she is ever president then it is your fault. If you like her you must have ... BUSH.

I cant believe that we are going this far on a comment that is as old as John McCain is. I mean of Sarah Palin can throw out comments to people and then can't take it then we already know she is not ready. Should she become VP it will be worse, so she needs to grow some thick skin. What is even more disgusiting than that is for all of this attention to be placed on this mess instead of on the issues. They act like people are not concerned about gas prices, and high food prices. I mean you are telling us her being criticized is more important than what is affecting all of us, and we are buying into this. Hillary Clinton said it so well when she told the crowd at a debate that her and all the other candidates are going to be ok, but we the hard working middle class families are the ones that should be concerned. Instead we follow after this mess like it makes a big difference in the whole scheme of things. Worse than that, white women say they wanted Hillary Clinton, and John McCain finds a woman that no one knows and we fall over her, and she does not hold the values or the same stand on the issues that Hillary did, and we run right behind her before she has proven anything, before we even knows what she is all about. I mean why did we support Hillary because she was a woman only. I mean I have to wonder what we are thinking. We need to think about what we are doing.

McCain footage, JUST FOUND. Read it here: Film shows McCain's release from Vietnamese

lipstick is the least of McCain & Palin's worries.
The fact is that neither of them knows what even a modicum of truth is anymore.

When Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska took center stage at the Republican convention last week, she sought to burnish her executive credentials by telling how she had engineered the deal that jump-started a long-delayed gas pipeline project.

The reality, however, is far more ambiguous than the impression Ms. Palin has left at the convention and on the campaign trail.

Certainly she proved effective in attracting developers to a project that has eluded Alaska governors for three decades. But an examination of the pipeline project also found that Ms. Palin has overstated both the progress that has been made and the certainty of success.

The pipeline exists only on paper. The first section has yet to be laid, federal approvals are years away and the pipeline will not be completed for at least a decade. In fact, although it is the centerpiece of Ms. Palin’s relatively brief record as governor, the pipeline might never be built, and under a worst-case scenario, the state could lose up to $500 million it committed to defray regulatory and other costs.

I Just can not understand how McCain could pick a woman with so Little Knowlege of American Democracy! I feel Obama has been a Senator and Harvard Graduate ~ to know many important people to Help him Run this country ! We have to be on Guard as to who McCain would help him will they be quilfied !God forbid if he is elected and does not live out his term Sara would become President what a disaster.
I respect her as a Mother and a woman / But not as My President as there were far more woman republican woman who would have been more quilfied .Split second decision .!!!

Are you McCain-Palin supports totally insane?

Would you like fewer women's rights when McCain-Palin stack the supreme court with more extreme conservative judges which has long term effects for decades to come?

Obama is not perfect by any means, but for your own good, vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

This is complete nonsense. What does it say about a candidate of a certain age when he becomes cranky and hyper-sensitive over remarks he totally misinterprets or perhaps mis-heard? What oes it say about both politcal parties when they attempt to impose politically correct hyper-sensitive speech codes on debate? This is everything that's wrong with politocal porthodoxy and has me wondering whether McCain is just self-righteous or is slipping into senility.

I think it's funny that Mccain's former press secretary has a book aptly titled "Lipstick on a Pig" (search it on Amazon). Get over it. Republicans are hypocrites. Plain and simple. American people - you are getting conned and distracted by the right wing. Take a deep breath, think about your family and the issues at hand and block out the Republican noise. We have suffered 8 long years to keep this going.

Large Hadron Collider experiment was almost blocked by a scared, vocal minority of Right Wing Cooks Religious Cooks convinced that turning on the LHC would spell doom for the earth. Yet some simple research and background in fairly basic science should have been enough to allay the fears generated by the LHC project. Again, Stephen Hawking:

Perhaps the Right wingers attack on science is having an affect in that our students lag the all other first world science in science education.
And now we have a VP candidate who actually supports the nonsense of Creationism. If you believe in creationism then you would have to reject all of Physics, Biology, Geology, Archeology, Mathematics and on and on.

Palin is a member of the
“Flat Earth Society”

Obama Biden ‘08

The lipstick on a pig comment speaks to the truth: McCain's only Economic policy is to tell you to go get a McJob after your good job is shipped overseas. Republicans are only concerned with padding CEO stock options and lining golden parachutes. If we have to endure any more deregulation-corruption-bailout cycles, our economy is in real trouble! Enough with the Greed Over People party! P.S. If you think the pig comment was alluding to Palin, you are correct--she was an Alaskan Pork Queen before she declared herself a "maverick" reformer.

Showing again that the Republicans have absolutely nothing to offer. Rovian politics: attack, attack, attack! The sad thing is the American sheeple fall for it every time. It's hard to watch my country disintegrate like this.

It seems as though the McCain campaign somehow feels that it has a patent on lipstick and a copyright on all lipstick comments. But by "fuming" over Obama's remark that quite clearly was not directed at Palin, they made a strategical error and themselves created the image of Palin as a lipstick-wearing pig. NOT a good move on their part...

Who are you protecting?

Vic, NO it doesn't jab at Palin: You can put lipstick on an apple, and it's still an apple. You can put lipstick on a chair, and it's still a chair. You can put lipstick on a pencil, and it's still a pencil. You can put lipstick on love, and it's still love. You can put spin on McCain/Bush policy, and it's still McCain/Bush policy. Get it NOW? It's a play on WORDS, not a jab at a PERSON.

Republican attack machine - meet the Democrat attack machine. Let's get down and dirty and RUMBLE!!!!!

Obama's remark "Lipstick on a Pig", gaff or calculated?

Only if you believe Barrack Obama is a gifted orator who knows how to play to an audience, would you be offended by a remark that seemingly jabs Sarah Palin?

What's this? The GOP, a bunch of whiners? OMG - the sky is falling!

For all those people claiming that Obama smeared Palin, have you seen the talk?

If you watch the video, Obama is clearly discussing McCain's claims to stand for "change". That is the context. He was discussing policies and campaign spin, NOT individuals.

That the Republican Party is spinning his comments in this way shows how low they will sink. That is unsurprising. That some people seem to be buying it, now that is sad.

He can't let go of her hand and she can't let go of the script.

Shows how much old McCain is and how defiecient Palin/McCain education is.
Congressman Charlie Rangel said it right - "You put lipstick on a pig, and you don't call her a lady."

If Palin was not treated with kid gloves then why is all the media ignoring that Palin Denied that she even requested and got the money for the bridge to nowhere. that money was FEDERAL TAXPAYERS DOLLARS, NOT Sarah's state budget. IF she really told congress NO THANKS, then why did she keep the money? The media are too kind to Palin.

Georgia-Dan, you have got to be kidding.

Haha! Putin and Ahmadinejad will treat Palin with respect automatically because she's a woman? For goodness's sakes, we do not need such thin-skinned women to be the US's head of state. There are Muslims in Iran who look as women as inferior, WHY would they respect Palin then?

More importantly, is she going to cry foul at every little remark that appears to be disparaging her? How will this sort of person stare down dictators and rogue governments then?

"IT'S SEXIST!!! WAAAAAH!"

It's SEXIST if people HAVE to tone down their remarks just because she's a woman. It's SEXIST if people cannot use perfectly common phrases in ANY context because she's a woman, and she's more "fragile".

And, to make this clear, I'm a woman.

McCain is a reckless hothead eaten up with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. What else would you expect from some that unfit to lead?

Dan,you call McCain's slander "respectful political debates?"

That's rich!

Maybe you Repubs do the finger pointing over things you yourselves are guilty of and then blame the Democrats for it.

The downfall of the Dems is the fact that they sure do alot of finger-pointing about the GOP. The McCain/Palin stance seems to be along the lines of respectful political debates. The lipstick debates are not even feasible issues that need be addressed past, thats not the way it was intended. There is enough inteligence there that one wouldn't set themself up with nominee suicide. Both parties just need to say what needs to be said and don't worry about fancy analogies.

first, many in the various media sources were reluctant to investigate or question anything before and during the Iraq war.....now... weeks can go by where campaign dogma is repeated without verification.
I wonder why TV & cable news are afraid to say whatever ends up to be actual verifiable truth?
Why does the media allow itself to be put on the defensive by folks who usually have something to hide?
Both political sides play the game, the people, and news sources are the last line of any remnants of democracy left in America

To those of you who think Obama has nothing maybe you need a quick lession. these are bills Obama has introduced in the senate:

S.3358 Improving Food-borne Illness Surveillance and Response Act of 2008 Introduced Jul 29, 2, S.3077 Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008 Introduce,S.1977 Nuclear Weapons Threat Reduction Act of 2007, S.1885 Military Family Job Protection Act Introduced Jul 26, 2007, ect.......... he has two pages as opposed to Mccain's one this year alone.

and at least he bothered to show up and vote on the GI bill which Mccain didn't and he's a vet.

SO STOP SAYING OBAMA HASN'T DONE ANYTHING. You republicans just seem to repeat what you're told and never question any of it.

Almost more than McCain’s policies, the actions of his campaign over the past month and especially the past week tells us what to expect if he’s elected.

Spin, Spin, Spin and outrage and bluster. They’ll spin every issue and be outraged and blame the “elite liberal press” every time they’re questioned on anything. We would be hearing a lot of “POW” and “That’s sexxist”

All this faux outrage is getting old. They bluster and pretend outrage at every turn. Their game is easy to spot. It is meant to deflect and inti midate,. Deflect people from really looking at this woman and the lies and inaccuracies and spin that are piling up daily and to intimidate people from looking into her background,experience, policies, philosophy, etc

In case you're reading this....

Sorry McCain. That was a bit mean. Next time I'll stick to the issues.

Jack

Make one valid point about McCain... None right? I thought so. Oh well.

If there is one thing the Republicans know it's the proper way to prop up cardboard.

Haha!

Sarah's homecoming address requires a teleprompter!!!!
LMAO

Seems like McCain taught his advisor everything there is to know about Lipstick....-she wrote the following book, wonder if she included the reverse strategy he's using now?

LIPSTICK ON A PIG: Winning In the No-Spin Era by Someone Who Knows the Game

written by Torrie Clarke
Clarke is a former advisor to Senator John McCain.

Non-issue folks-- except as an example of trickery and deceit-don't be fooled.

Can we talk about alternative energy and/or something else that is more significant to the well-being and future of this country?

McCain hired Bush's smear campaign artists to represent him and this is the stupid coverage we have to put up with.

The republicans will use Sarah Palin as their excuse for no action on health care, education, the war, the economy.

McCain used to be a respectable man once, he should pause to consider how he humiliates himself to snuggle up more closely with the Bush Administration's policies.

Obama is what we need to lead this country out of it's current troubles.

Sorry, correction "attack" us

McLiar's got a Bridge to Nowhere he wants to sell you.

Now bow to the Queen and empty your pockets on the table.

The historic decline of America, that's what the world is calling what their watching. Wow, I wonder how many countries will attach us now and how many others will refuse to assist us. Can you say NATO NO MORE?

No. Sarah Palin is not a pig with lipstick on. She is a scapegoat for McCain he is just using Palin for his own campaign. Why does he want to run for president? He has all that a man could ask for, a rich beautiful wife, money. He does know what his worth is. How can he be president if he does not know what his finances are. He is an old man that is for power. Does not have an idea how, to be president. All he knows is to step on peoples toes to get what he wants. I would like for someone to interview his ex-wife, she would give an ear full and some. I don't like him and do not trust him. May God Bless and protect America from this dictator.

mjks . rockyroad calling . .

sorry if I got your name wrong.

Matt Damon has it right, according to tables, McCain in likely to die. If that were to happen, we'd have a mental incompetent as president.

We need a pesident that has been vetted. Who is competent to hold office. The President of the United States of America must be a thoroughly vetted woman or man. We, as leaders of the free world must have a person of Jeffersonian competance at our helm. The Presedency is not an office to be taken lightly. Nobel Peace Prize winners don't necessarily deserve the job. Freedom Fighters like MLK do no necessarily warrant the job.

Heros, Ike Eisenhower barely warranted the job, and yet he had the brilliance to warn us against the military industrial complex.

McAuthor did not merit the job. How the heck can a beauty contestant merit it. Americans are idiots to place their lot, their heritage, their children and their lives into the hands of a woman who has banned books, who is so afraid of free thought that she shoot's hapless wildlife as a pastime to save her soul.

God, save my soul. God bless America. May she be bludgeoned by an elk.

to ALL GEROGE BUSH LOVEER are u still looking for BIN LADEN.and got high gas price. and MCCAIN is a joke.he want the something bush want make gas price go though the roof.and four more year of market down & real estate is complete failure and business let the USA.I Iraq
WHO IS LOOKING AT GEORGIA????? AND AMERICA'S BUDGET is a big FAILURE.

Puh-lease. Can we just get over this childishness? I have a couple more sayings that probably are sexist now--we can no longer say about Washington politics--"If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas"-because Sarah is a pitbull and that's sexist! Oh,and I guess "Politics makes strange bedfellows " is really out of the question.
I've got one for you faux feministas: "If the shoe fits, wear it."

Puh-lease. Can we just get over this childishness? I have a couple more sayings that probably are sexist now--we can no longer say about Washington politics--"If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas"-because Sarah is a pitbull and that's sexist! Oh,and I guess "Politics makes strange bedfellows " is really out of the question.
I've got one for you faux feministas: "If the shoe fits, wear it."

republicans can attack democrats but how dare democrats attack republicans.. i meen realy how dare the democrats attack the holier than thou republicans.

it wa sok for palin to say taht a comunity organizer was basiclly worthless, and how about rudy julie saying if you dont support mccain you are anti-american. all mccain and the republicans do is attack obama and cut him down but if the democrats or obama say one thing they are wrong... but that is what you get from the republican party. they want to finish trashing the constitution taht bush has started.

FlashOverride wrote:
"Why when someone says pig, do the Republicans immediately associate that with Palin?"

hehehehe
I was wondering the same thing.

Four years ago we had Swift Boat Liars for Bush. Now we have Jane Swift Lies for McCain.

Jake Tapper can live by his one rule if he wants... an obvious Obama supporter, as are most of the posters here.

Just realize that this is a political move that distracts from Obama's real message (which itself is lame) - so "job well done" by McCain's campaign and very poor foresight on Obama's side...

And yes, Obama's campaign would do the same and I'm sure will pull off similar tactics... maybe Jake Tapper can come up with another fantastic rule and replace this one that apparently solves the world's problems.

It's a shame
A man who once deserved and held great respect has turned the Straigh Talk Express into Crooked Liars Slowboat to Oblivion.

McSame is on the bridge to nowhere because lying and deception are his only ploy. His only "Change" involves changing the debate from what is important and critical for our country into a mudslinging festival where he will say anything without any regard for the truth.

Palin as President?
It's a terrible idea. We don't need George W. Bush with or without lipstick.

The IQ of anyone who thinks Obama's repeat of John McCain's often said "lipstick on a pig" was calling Palin a Pig is down in Forrest Gump's range.
The PIG is McCain's claim of "change" and there is none.

Obama has inadvertently honored McCain (and possibly Palin) by calling him or them pig(s). Pigs are clean and smart if you get to know them. And they are really nice to humans if you treat them well. Calling them pigs is an insult not to these GOP hypocrites but to pigs because these GOP hypocrites are scumbags, not pigs.

Barack, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Enough, Enough, Let Sarah Palin feeks free for herself, Bill , I know you are jealous because your wife is not vp president, too bad . You should not speech for Barck because he did not choose Hillary for vice president. Obama asked Bill and Hillary to help him on speech . What hell! Bill and Hillary both are suckering , Obama just use you both as dogs. Tell Obama to his job , not your job. I think we are proud of Sarh Palin as VP president.
I am tired of Barck Obama is a whiner man all time. I know Barack is trying to steal Sarah `s women supports. Please leave Sarah alone!! I dont want to vote Barck Obama , and he is yuck!!
Let vote McCain and Sarah Palin for presidents!!!!!!

If Mr. McSame is so concerned about sexism why is it that he doesn't support equal pay for equal work. HYPOCRITE.

McCain made a horrible decision to pick the phony Sarah Palin and take on the Rove people to do his campaign. What he will accomplish if he wins will be to degrade our democracy. What he'll accomplish if he wins then dies, is he'll elevate a person to the Presidency that will do more damage to our nation than anyone since James Buchanan or George W. Bush.

WILL EVERYONE JUST PLEASE LEAVE SARAH ALONE??? After all, she's only a woman. Everyone knows that women are emotionally fragile. It just question after question after question. Why should she have to answer all these questions??? All you mean liberals and media types (same thing except for FOX) are just so hateful. I can't wait for Sarah to become President and finally be treated like the lady she is by Putin and Ahmadinewhatever.

I guess that now since we have a woman in the political picture, this phrase can't be used any more, however it does appear that when you look at the total events of that day when Obama first spoke the phrase, and the audience response later, they knew that the fish was McCain and the pig was Palin.
If Palin had not mentioned the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is lipstick, the controversy would not be there.

I would suggest that the old term of lipstick on a pig is now dead as a political term.

Boy all Better pay attention and Grow up Obama if you listen to the whole speach was talking about McCain that for 30 years he has done nothing and now he plans to change ,putting Lipstick on a Pig ~ it is used all the time ! McCain used it on Hillary when she tried to get the health program through !
What is wrong with American people , We have issues and now we are back to swift boat tactics !

The comments were said with reference to McCain switching his stance from experience to change...no need to blow all this out of proportion as McCain has.

After all, McCain Campaign are the masters of Mass Distraction - he's gotten everyone off message so they don't have to actually TELL you how they're going to make things better for us poor and middle-class Americans. Distract us because he has NO plan...just replace Bush and continue on the same path...

Why does Sarah Palin not talk to the media? If she is not ready for the pressure of the media then she is not ready for the pressure of being vice president. If a campaign refuses to let the media hold them accountable then THAT SHOULD BE THE FRONT PAGE STORY. If John McCain is SHIELDING Sarah Palin from the eyes of the media and thus the American people the THAT SHOULD BE THE FRONT PAGE STORY.All John McCain can do is CHANGE THE SUBJECT and REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT THE LAST 8 YEARS and why he has voted with BUSH 90% of the time. Political Mavericks and presidential candidates don't hide from the media

she's not the PIG she's the LIPSTICK.
and she's an idiot.

Isn't it obvious to all that these mindless attacks coming from the McCain campaign all originate from the same people who smeared the old ex POW in the 2000 nomination fight?

The "maverick" has sold out to all the old Bush people who brought him down. What does that say for his integrity and honor? Indeed, when asked about his definition of "honor" recently, he could only reply, "read my book." The book was written by his ghost writer and campaign advisor Mark Salter.

He has forgotten what the word means.

I'm glad Obama spoke out on the big missy piggy debate back off.

Matthew Dowd is right everyone will open and take a look at the real issues and and everyone will swing back to Obama give or take I will back Obama
he is for all Americans as I see the beautiful mind is for all.

And just where is Palin in all this?

Does Palin even know how to speak for herself?
If Palin can't face her countrymen, how could she EVER face any of our foreign adversary?

I'm starting to wonder...

Jake, just want to thank you for your report on ABC World News tonight. It's the first time I've felt actual disdain coming from you for McCain's tactics. I've felt that way for at least 2 months.

Remember what Bill Clinton said to reporters as former president when Bush administration decided to go to war? You don't need me to remind you that Bill is a democrat.

You have all the right to dislike Bush because this is a free country. Just don't forget Bush administration has been keeping this country safe for these years. That's why you still have this freedom and why the enemies hate America so much.

Coverage of this phony reaction by the GOP to this comment on ABC is ridiculous. Cover the issues. Cover the issues. Cover the issues. OUR nation is in crisis.

Great post NoBlinders!!!! RIGHT ON

Obama/Biden 08

For the survival of this wonderful country

victory-
You say that Bush didn't lie about WMD in Iraq... rather that it was the intelligence sources that lied.

Well, whatever. Bush is the dupe who believed it. He is the incompetent clown who failed to listen to international inspection experts who were correct, and he was the failed strategist pathologically focused Saddam while the real killer Bin Laden is a free man to this day. COMPLETE FAILURE. For POTUS, that's perhaps worse than being a liar.

And the new John 'Bush' McCain was right there with him every step of the way. From neglecting the right war in Afghanistan to starting a costly and useless war in Iraq (over 100,000 human beings killed and 1 trillion wasted for nothing). From the 5 trillion surplus to the 5 trillion deficit that has brought our economy to its knees. Do you really think we need more of this garbage leadership?

Wake up!

The American Electorate have become like an abused spouse. Every time an election rolls around the repubs are there to tell you, this time I'll treat you better than I did the last time. They will tell you how great is gonna be if you take them back because you see only they know how to protect you and keep you safe. Oh yeah, and they always come bearing gifts to distract you and take your mind off the last time they lied, abused and stolen from you. Well this time the GIFT is Sara Palin. To a person that stays with an abuser I say to them, the first time its the abuser's fault. After the second time I say, why are you still there? And if they stick around for the third beating, then you deserve what you get!

I will be happy to let a court decide who was LYING about IRAQ.

If they were being honest then the JURY will see the evidence and recognize it.

MURDER is a serious charge.

Badger,

Are you one of those guys that secretly wants to get her in the sack?
She is a Hot Chick as your own party buttons claim.

Palin is the Lipstick
McSames ideas are the Pig.

victory,

One word:

Curveball.

Remember him?

And yes, Mt. St.Helens hasn't erupted again either.

Wait a minute. The Bush administration's claim of WMD in Iraq might be WRONG, but NOT LYING. The liers are those Iraqis who provided false intelligence. Bush genuinely believed WMD in Iraq when the war started. The simple logic is, if he was lying, he knew he will embarass himself without finding WMD.

No matter how much you dislike Bush, don't lie about him.

No matter how much you dislike Bush, his administration is keeping terrorists on the run and keeping this country safe!

Are Obama supporters, and his adoring media actually outraged over Obamas obvious insult to Palin? Funny, it was only last week that you were all basking in the unsubstantiated accusations about Governor Palin, her pregnant daughter,her family, and the two decades old D.U.I of her husband.

rockyroad,

That is the mission but it is a tall order. One of the parties gains power through divisiveness and discord, otherness, fear, character assassination and basically anything that plays to doubt, insecurity, envy and jealousy.
I've been kind of hoping on the incoming generation to make the difference but these things are apparently inherited.

Obama was obviously trying to call out McCain's hypocrisy in trying to act like he'd bring change to Washington, but in reality McCain stands with the moron Bush 90% of the time. So completely obvious for those of us who complete 5th grade. Watch the video,

McCain's campaign is utterly pathetic bringing out this garbage. And btw- for you metaphor-challenged 4th graders- let me assure you that by 'garbage' I was not referring to Jane Swift or your flat earth VP candidate... I was referring to the tripe they offer instead of solutions to America's problems.

Keep the upper-cuts coming, Obama! McCain is going to fall hard.

Norman, I'm sorry to say I must go, but what a pleasure engaging you in intelligent conversation. Go back during the Clinton administration, type in Iraq, and read what was being said at that time about Iraq by both political parties. You'll be amazed by the facts I hope. Don't forget to be challenged to learn the whole truth, and not just the side you agree with.

While I agree with almost everything written here, it seems that we are preaching to the choir.

Hard as it is to believe, there is a great chunk of the populace that sees things through Palin's glasses.

The challenge is not to convince the convinced, but to convert.

Oh no dear I have many more fibers. When the Republicans are out I going to call my Congressman and demand National Healthcare, and better Schools and tax breaks for people who make less than $250,000 per year, and an end to the IRAQ war. And when I get that you'll see, I will stop pushing for a short while.