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A Piggish Debate

September 09, 2008 8:42 PM

Last October, asked about Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was blunt.

McCain said Clinton's proposal was “eerily” similar to the ill-fated plan she devised in 1993.

“I think they put some lipstick on a pig,” he said, “but it’s still a pig.”

A common expression, right?

McCain surely wasn't calling Clinton a pig.

After all, McCain's former press secretary, Torie Clarke, wrote a book called "Lipstick on a Pig: Winning in the No-Spin Era."

Elizabeth Edwards told some health journalists that McCain's health care plan was like “painting lipstick on a pig.”

Tonight Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of McCain painting himself as a change agent, "You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."

The crowd rose and applauded.

(Some of them no doubt were thinking he may have been in some way alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.")

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years. We’ve had enough of the same old thing! It’s time to bring about real change to Washington.  And that’s the choice you’ve got in this election."

Obama's campaign insisted that he was not alluding to Palin at all.

"That expression is older than my grandfather's grandfather," said Obama campaign spox Jen Psaki, "and it means that you can dress something up but it doesn't change what it is. He was talking pretty clearly about the fact that you can't just call yourself change when you've voted with George Bush 90 percent of the time."

Obama has used the expression before. Last September, around the time McCain said it about Clinton's health care plan.

"I think that both Gen. Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment," Obama said in a telephone interview. "George Bush has given a mission to Gen. Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig."

Why should anyone believe McCain didn't mean it about Hillary Clinton, but Obama meant it about Palin?

And yet, the inaugural conference call of what the McCain-Palin campaign is calling the "Palin Truth Squad" addressed Obama's remark.

And interestingly, the Truth Squad call was full of half-truths and statements that weren't true at all.

Speaking on behalf of the McCain campaign, former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift tonight flatly stated that Obama had called Palin a pig.

"[T]he formation of the Palin Truth Squad couldn't have happened too soon, as we saw when Sen. Obama in Lebanon, Va., this evening uttered what I can only deem to be disgraceful comments comparing our vice presidential nominee Gov. Palin to a pig," Swift said.

"Sen. Obama owes Gov. Palin an apology," she said.

Asked why she was so confident Obama was "comparing" Palin to a pig, she said Palin was the only one of the four candidates on both parties' tickets who wears lipstick.

"She is the only one of the four candidates for president, or the only vice presidential candidate who wears lipstick," Swift said. "I mean, it seemed to me a very gendered comment."

But, Swift added, if "as part of his apology Sen. Obama wants to say, no, he was calling Sen. McCain -- who is a true hero in our country -- a pig, then I suppose we could wait en masse for an apology to that, as well."

It was pointed out to Swift that, after the line about the pig, Obama had said, "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,' it's still gonna stink after eight years."

Swift then suggested that Obama was calling McCain a fish.

"I have a fourth-grader and two second-graders at home," she said. "I would not teach them that this is sort of a high-minded debate on policy issues when they are calling people rotten old fish or a pig. In fact, it sounds a lot like some of the least intelligent debates on the playground sound like at our elementary school."

A reporter then reminded Swift that in December, McCain was asked about criticisms coming his way from then-opponent Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., and McCain replied, "Never get into a wrestling match with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it."

Was McCain calling Romney a pig? a reporter asked Swift.

Of course not, Swift said.

It seems to me we should have one rule. If Obama was calling Palin a pig, then McCain was calling Hillary Clinton one. If McCain wasn't, then Obama wasn't.

- jpt

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For all those people claiming that Obama smeared Palin, have you seen the talk?

If you watch the video, Obama is clearly discussing McCain's claims to stand for "change". That is the context. He was discussing policies and campaign spin, NOT individuals.

That the Republican Party is spinning his comments in this way shows how low they will sink. That is unsurprising. That some people seem to be buying it, now that is sad.

Posted by: Anarcho | Sep 11, 2008 6:19:23 AM

He can't let go of her hand and she can't let go of the script.

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | Sep 11, 2008 5:17:52 AM

Shows how much old McCain is and how defiecient Palin/McCain education is.
Congressman Charlie Rangel said it right - "You put lipstick on a pig, and you don't call her a lady."

Posted by: henry | Sep 11, 2008 5:16:42 AM

If Palin was not treated with kid gloves then why is all the media ignoring that Palin Denied that she even requested and got the money for the bridge to nowhere. that money was FEDERAL TAXPAYERS DOLLARS, NOT Sarah's state budget. IF she really told congress NO THANKS, then why did she keep the money? The media are too kind to Palin.

Posted by: mere | Sep 11, 2008 4:55:26 AM

Georgia-Dan, you have got to be kidding.

Haha! Putin and Ahmadinejad will treat Palin with respect automatically because she's a woman? For goodness's sakes, we do not need such thin-skinned women to be the US's head of state. There are Muslims in Iran who look as women as inferior, WHY would they respect Palin then?

More importantly, is she going to cry foul at every little remark that appears to be disparaging her? How will this sort of person stare down dictators and rogue governments then?

"IT'S SEXIST!!! WAAAAAH!"

It's SEXIST if people HAVE to tone down their remarks just because she's a woman. It's SEXIST if people cannot use perfectly common phrases in ANY context because she's a woman, and she's more "fragile".

And, to make this clear, I'm a woman.

Posted by: Fed Up | Sep 11, 2008 4:38:57 AM

McCain is a reckless hothead eaten up with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. What else would you expect from some that unfit to lead?

Posted by: quinnpd | Sep 11, 2008 2:32:53 AM

Dan,you call McCain's slander "respectful political debates?"

That's rich!

Maybe you Repubs do the finger pointing over things you yourselves are guilty of and then blame the Democrats for it.

Posted by: bootaysmack17 | Sep 11, 2008 12:46:45 AM

The downfall of the Dems is the fact that they sure do alot of finger-pointing about the GOP. The McCain/Palin stance seems to be along the lines of respectful political debates. The lipstick debates are not even feasible issues that need be addressed past, thats not the way it was intended. There is enough inteligence there that one wouldn't set themself up with nominee suicide. Both parties just need to say what needs to be said and don't worry about fancy analogies.

Posted by: Dan | Sep 11, 2008 12:31:59 AM

first, many in the various media sources were reluctant to investigate or question anything before and during the Iraq war.....now... weeks can go by where campaign dogma is repeated without verification.
I wonder why TV & cable news are afraid to say whatever ends up to be actual verifiable truth?
Why does the media allow itself to be put on the defensive by folks who usually have something to hide?
Both political sides play the game, the people, and news sources are the last line of any remnants of democracy left in America

Posted by: Jazzman | Sep 11, 2008 12:11:41 AM

To those of you who think Obama has nothing maybe you need a quick lession. these are bills Obama has introduced in the senate:

S.3358 Improving Food-borne Illness Surveillance and Response Act of 2008 Introduced Jul 29, 2, S.3077 Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008 Introduce,S.1977 Nuclear Weapons Threat Reduction Act of 2007, S.1885 Military Family Job Protection Act Introduced Jul 26, 2007, ect.......... he has two pages as opposed to Mccain's one this year alone.

and at least he bothered to show up and vote on the GI bill which Mccain didn't and he's a vet.

SO STOP SAYING OBAMA HASN'T DONE ANYTHING. You republicans just seem to repeat what you're told and never question any of it.

Posted by: kari | Sep 11, 2008 12:09:46 AM

Almost more than McCain’s policies, the actions of his campaign over the past month and especially the past week tells us what to expect if he’s elected.

Spin, Spin, Spin and outrage and bluster. They’ll spin every issue and be outraged and blame the “elite liberal press” every time they’re questioned on anything. We would be hearing a lot of “POW” and “That’s sexxist”

All this faux outrage is getting old. They bluster and pretend outrage at every turn. Their game is easy to spot. It is meant to deflect and inti midate,. Deflect people from really looking at this woman and the lies and inaccuracies and spin that are piling up daily and to intimidate people from looking into her background,experience, policies, philosophy, etc

Posted by: Sandy | Sep 11, 2008 12:02:04 AM

In case you're reading this....

Sorry McCain. That was a bit mean. Next time I'll stick to the issues.

Posted by: Kayla | Sep 10, 2008 11:43:48 PM

Jack

Make one valid point about McCain... None right? I thought so. Oh well.

Posted by: HereToStay | Sep 10, 2008 11:24:31 PM

If there is one thing the Republicans know it's the proper way to prop up cardboard.

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | Sep 10, 2008 11:05:33 PM

Haha!

Sarah's homecoming address requires a teleprompter!!!!
LMAO

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | Sep 10, 2008 11:04:28 PM

Seems like McCain taught his advisor everything there is to know about Lipstick....-she wrote the following book, wonder if she included the reverse strategy he's using now?

LIPSTICK ON A PIG: Winning In the No-Spin Era by Someone Who Knows the Game

written by Torrie Clarke
Clarke is a former advisor to Senator John McCain.

Non-issue folks-- except as an example of trickery and deceit-don't be fooled.

Can we talk about alternative energy and/or something else that is more significant to the well-being and future of this country?

Posted by: Alice | Sep 10, 2008 10:49:59 PM

McCain hired Bush's smear campaign artists to represent him and this is the stupid coverage we have to put up with.

The republicans will use Sarah Palin as their excuse for no action on health care, education, the war, the economy.

McCain used to be a respectable man once, he should pause to consider how he humiliates himself to snuggle up more closely with the Bush Administration's policies.

Obama is what we need to lead this country out of it's current troubles.

Posted by: McGreen | Sep 10, 2008 10:42:55 PM

Sorry, correction "attack" us

Posted by: saffy | Sep 10, 2008 10:34:12 PM

McLiar's got a Bridge to Nowhere he wants to sell you.

Now bow to the Queen and empty your pockets on the table.

The historic decline of America, that's what the world is calling what their watching. Wow, I wonder how many countries will attach us now and how many others will refuse to assist us. Can you say NATO NO MORE?

Posted by: saffy | Sep 10, 2008 10:32:52 PM

No. Sarah Palin is not a pig with lipstick on. She is a scapegoat for McCain he is just using Palin for his own campaign. Why does he want to run for president? He has all that a man could ask for, a rich beautiful wife, money. He does know what his worth is. How can he be president if he does not know what his finances are. He is an old man that is for power. Does not have an idea how, to be president. All he knows is to step on peoples toes to get what he wants. I would like for someone to interview his ex-wife, she would give an ear full and some. I don't like him and do not trust him. May God Bless and protect America from this dictator.

Posted by: mary | Sep 10, 2008 10:26:28 PM

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