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Anyone who thinks the Left is supportive of Israel has been asleep since 1967.

Buchanan is Catholic. He was educated when some nuns taught blood libel about the Jews. Palin is not in his "religious" camp.

Lieberman will support McCain/Palin tonight on national TV.

Buchanan and Rev Wright are the two who are in lockstep re. Israel.

This is for "Concerned in OH": While in Juneau, Sarah Palin attends Juneau Christian Center, an Assembly of God Pentecostal Church. The pastor is Mike Rose, who is connected to the "Third Wave Movement", a religious belief that is sweeping through Pentecostal churches and the spiritual basis for Joel's Army, "God's Avenging Army", which believes the whole world, including America, should be governed by ultraconservative Christians with no democracy. Is she a stealth candidate representing a fundamentalist takeover of the US? Do you still feel that her religion couldn't possibly be worse than Rev. Wright? If so, get ready to go shopping for burkas! They'll be needed in the Stone Age she'd like to take us back to.

Normal from "plagerize" Joe...or has everyone forgotten that Sen. Biden never meet a speech that someone else made and HE used with out credit to the author.

ronski said: "People, the original article in Haaretz is dated 01/09/2008 - that's not exactly new news! This blurb is simply saying they repeated it today. Yawn... another non-story"
The date was 1 September 2008. Not everyone uses the month/day/year format the US uses.

==The US did not go to war because it disliked Germany, or thought Germany was an imminent threat.

Germany declared war on the US. Because it was allied with Japan, and the US declared war on Japan. (Hint: Japan attacked the US first. It was called Pearl Harbor)==

And, while Germany didn't attack us, we attacked Germany.

==The USS Stark??!!
Are you kidding me?
You're using an attack from 1987 as justification for our invasion in 2003?
A SIXTEEN year time lag.==

so, quit saying that Iraq never attacked America.

==Iraq didn't attack the Stark.==

Yes, it did, with an Exocet missile.

I just hope that which ever wins this election puts some Power back into the U.S. when we speak. Current Goverment has taken that away from us when we deal with other countries. Israel,Iran,Russia, etc...don't see us as the country that will crush you if you don't chill out.
NOw how can do that? McCain or Obama, that is where my vote would go.

Mr. Incredible: Iraq didn't attack the Stark.

People, the original article in Haaretz is dated 01/09/2008 - that's not exactly new news! This blurb is simply saying they repeated it today. Yawn... another non-story

Is the unnamed source (liar) Benjamin Netanyahu?

By the way Palin supported anti Israel Buchanan. Are the Israelis concerned?

MR. incredible:

The USS Stark??!!
Are you kidding me?
You're using an attack from 1987 as justification for our invasion in 2003?
A SIXTEEN year time lag.

In that case, you must HATE Reagan since he was President when this attack happened, and by doing nothing, he must be considered an appeaser.

Just how did an Israeli newspaper article get into the American news so fast. I guess the "anonymous" sources in the McCain camp do more than just make unsupported attacks.

ABC is turning into the republican sewer!

Mr. Incredible,

The US did not go to war because it disliked Germany, or thought Germany was an imminent threat.

Germany declared war on the US. Because it was allied with Japan, and the US declared war on Japan. (Hint: Japan attacked the US first. It was called Pearl Harbor)

So learn your history before you try to use it to prove your (incorrect) point.

I am not a supporter of Obama/biden (mostly Obama) but I can't believe Biden thinks that way or said that.He is alot smarter than that even he does have big mouth.

Jo the NAFTA deal was not one person and they were told Obama wanted some changes in the NAFTA policyas did the Clinton Campaign .Why would anyone believe and un named source.Seems to me the Israel people like Obama when he was there but right now they know that President Bush controls things and this may have been another Carl Rove story of misleading statements.I would say vote McCain at you peril as IMO he would bring us if not actually to,on the brink of a third war

==bombing a country that hasn't attacked us ...==

Did Germany attack the United States? Yet, we went to war with Germany, and killed many. So what? Who brought it upon them?

By the way, Iraq attacked us. Remember the USS Stark?

==Joe Biden has always been a strong supporter of Israel. ==

Until, of course, if the story is true, he told the Israelis otherwise.

==The question for the nineteen hijackers is why did you do it?==

No, it isn't. It's THAT they did it. That fact eliminates the need for further facts.

== Bin Laden said it was because of invasive pro-Israel foreign policy in the arab world.==

His people did it, not us and not Israel. Typical responsibility shift.

== Listen to your enemies and you may learn something. ==

That doesn't mean that they are correct and that we must change to accommodate them.

Joe Biden has always been a strong supporter of Israel. The right wingers love to spread false smears.

Mr. Incredible - The question for the nineteen hijackers is why did you do it? Bin Laden said it was because of invasive pro-Israel foreign policy in the arab world. Listen to your enemies and you may learn something.

==I choose Obama because of foreign policy.==

Then, don't claim to be Republican.

What are his foreign policy creds?

== It is now the dems chance to screw things up further.==

You don't care much about this country. You wanna let somebody in there who will screw it up more. Great.

== The republicans have been a distaster.==

== I am going third party because I am sick of both.==

Then, you favor Obamarama over McCain cuz only one of them is gonna get in.

== How do you know I don't like you.==

Never said anything about that. It doesn't matter.

== I just don't like what you are writing.==

So what?

== We are going broke...==

We're not going broke. It won't happen.

==...and I advocate policy that counters this fact.==

So do I: Print more money.

== To me only Ron Paul talked of fiscal sanity.==

But he's not getting in.

== Bombing people...==

You shoulda talked to the nineteen hijackers before they took down WTC.

Mr. Incredible - Quit giving them reasons to hit us. We have been screwing in their sandlot for 50 years, and they have become resentful. Can you believe it? It is time for a serious change in foreign policy where our equitable treatment among parties is paramount. We have slighted certain parties at the advantage of others for too long, and the resulting resentment is coming back to bite us.

Mr. Incredible - I choose Obama because of foreign policy. It is now the dems chance to screw things up further. The republicans have been a distaster. I am going third party because I am sick of both. How do you know I don't like you. I just don't like what you are writing. We are going broke, and I advocate policy that counters this fact. To me only Ron Paul talked of fiscal sanity. Bombing people and giving people free stuff is costly, not only fiscally but also morally.

You sound like a Democrat.

Only one of two candidates is gonna win. By siding with Ron Paul, who doesn't have a snowball's chance, you are giving just that more impetus to Obamarama. That means that you don't mind his getting in more than you don't mind McCain's getting in. this means that, essentially, you're voting for Obamarama by not voting for McCain.

== When I said we have invaded more countries, that is certainly true during our existence.==

Actually, no it isn't.

Most of the countries you mentioned the first time have rarely come out of their borders.==

That's the PR, anyway.

== It is really pointless to talk to someone that is a republican spinmeister.==

I'm not a "republican [sic] spinmeister."

== All logic is smeared with someone like you.==

Translation: "You don't think like me. Therefore, you're illogical."

China is a poerful entity. So is Russia and North Korea and Syria and Iran. Let's be polite and let them go first.

Mr. Incredible - I have seen polls taken in Europe where blame is put on both sides.

The Democrats need to distance themselves from the crazies at moveon . Is money worth the control they have?

==North Korea will do so in about 4 months...==

From what I've seen, they are rethinking this.

==... Iran has no high purity Uranium or plutonium (or thorium).==

That's the Pr, anyway.

== Russia and China are not part of the equation.==

Then, I say that neither is Israel.

==Thus only country that needed to be nuded of its weapons stockpils of nuclear category is Pakistan, India and Israel. All three countries must be asked or forced to give up their weapons or compelte blockade of their international trade, sans humanitarian needs.==

First, North Korea and China and Russia and Syria and Iran give up theirs. Let them be generous for once.

==Nothing like the comments attributed to an unnamed army source from Israel.==

Libs are always telling us that we have the Right to know. They say that news-gathering organizations must rely on unnamed sources.

==Those countries would want us to give up the nukes first.==

Well, I want THEM to give up THEIRS first. So, now what?

== Humility in foreign policy by all parties is the way to go.==

I want them to have humility first.

== As long as the US tries to tell others how to conduct their business, resistance will occur.==

They are trying to tell us how to conduct our business. So, I got resistance.

== People like self-determination.==

So, we have determined tghat, if they're gonna have them, we'll have them, too, and, if they take the first step, we'll follow.

== Just listen to Ron Paul, and you might understand.==

I already understand. That's why I don't listen to Ron Paul

To the Libs, this isn't about problem solving, rather problem making.

Mr. Incredible - Those countries would want us to give up the nukes first. Humility in foreign policy by all parties is the way to go. As long as the US tries to tell others how to conduct their business, resistance will occur. This is true for international relationships as well as personal. People like self-determination. Just listen to Ron Paul, and you might understand.

Well, this should quiet the DailyKooks who have been posting for days that Palin's down syndrome son is actually her daughter's child and they are pulling an insurance scam.

Sarah's son is 4 months old and her daughter is 5 months pregnant. Presumably even Daily Kooks can figure out the impossibility of their thesis.

==I simply want Israel's nukes out with civility. There is no fuss about it. Let us all get the most lethal weapons out of the world.==

Ok, and I say that Russia and Iran and North Korea and China should go first.

kat - Actually many in Europe do put much of the blame for the climate in the middle east on the Israelis. Land grabs for settlement building and land demarcation in the territories is often the reasons for European discontent towards Israel.

I simply want Israel's nukes out with civility. There is no fuss about it. Let us all get the most lethal weapons out of the world. However, Israel-US link will gradualy erode as Israel tries to seek favor from China at cost of US. Time will tell...time is hte ultimate qualifier..not you or myself.

Sardar - Europeans don't see Israel as terroristic. What are you trying to stir up?

len - Maybe we see eye to eye more than we realize. We are quite frankly ready, and this is a intelligence matter. I do however see McCain's policies as militant. The guy sang a song about bombing a country that hasn't attacked us in which thousands of civilians would be killed in the process. Anybody that sings such a song should not be taken seriously. Anybody that supports such a candidate is in my opinion part of the problem and a knucklehead.

@ben: "Of course everything that I have just written is a lost cause on you republican knuckleheads."

Does it occur to you that being ready is not the same as being enthusiastic? Or that telling the US to be smarter while branding dissenters as being knuckleheads is exactly how BushCo got us into the Iraq War?

The middle way is to convince Iran that weapons they cannot use are an expensive way to spite an enemy they cannot defeat? It's pretty Pythonesque. They don't do this to start a war. They do it for internal consumption to prop up a theocracy that otherwise crumbles without external threats.

Again, MAD is a game of chicken.

Anita Yova

There are consequences to such actions. Presidents have to think about things like that, even if you don't.

Anita Yova - This would condemn us. The people of that part of the world would seek retribution and rightfully so. You talk a tough game. It would suck if you were on the weak team wouldn't it. That could very well be our position in the next 50 years. By current trends we will be broke and too fat to get of the couches to fight.

==I think Obama-Biden, should they get elected, put Isarel on Terorrist country list and blockade its international activities until its stockpile of 200+ nuclear weapons are seized by the IAEA agents.

Furher, US should suspend all non-humanitarian support to Israel. See how quickly world would support the idea.

I am glad carter iterated that Israel should be ion a Terrorist country list. ==

Israel is tiny, compared to the combined size of the countries against her. She is virtually surrounded by terror states.

Israel only responds to terrorist acts against her.

So, what'er we sayin', that Israeli Army Radio and Haaretz are not credible sources?

It is simple when the United States
Knows for a Fact .. not like Iraq...
that Iran has Nuclear weapons .. as in
testing one are something that is real
Proof ... we launch US. Nuclear Missiles
to take out their leaders and military
as well as the areas of Nuclear Development .... a 50 min. job at best
send no military and NO rebuilding them..
there own actions are there fate..

I think Obama-Biden, should they get elected, put Isarel on Terorrist country list and blockade its international activities until its stockpile of 200+ nuclear weapons are seized by the IAEA agents.

Furher, US should suspend all non-humanitarian support to Israel. See how quickly world would support the idea.

I am glad carter iterated that Israel should be ion a Terrorist country list.

Patriot, intelligence doesn't always make a great president. Nixon and Carter were geniuses.

Roosevelt, Kennedy, Reagan, not so much.

Need I say more?

Democrat PR:

== The Republicans would say anything to destroy the Obama/Biden ticket. We know how the Republicans play. They play dirty politics. This time, the Republicans will not win.==

Everyone knew that BinBiden has a big mouth and very little desire to tame it. So, it should be no surprise that he put his foot in his mouth once more time. That pair (Osama/BinBiden) must be like winning the lotto for caricature artists; one keeps bad company and the other does not engage his brain before he opens his mouth...

Poor Obama - looks like he's got a nightmare on his hands -- Biden's "mouth."

democrats Cowards!

This is MUNICH!!!! all over again and Obama-Biden is Neville-Chamberlin!!!!

Joey Bidden voted for the war in Iraq and we're supposed to trust him on foreign affairs?
Hillary Clinton garnered 18 million votes yet Obama didn't choose her as a running mate?
If this election is about judgement who should we believe?
John McCain a POW with a son who is at war, Sarah Palin, a hockey mom whose real life problems match those of most Americans or 2 millionaires who don't even agree with each other.
Fact: The only person who has run anything in this entire race is Sarah Palin. Think about it.

McCain/Palin makes sense they represent me--Obama/Bidden represent the same ole story: 2 millionaires in the White House.

If McCaint is going to claim 'experience' (time in Washington), then the Harvard Law grad and Chicago University Law professor, Barack Obama, SHOULD CLAIM INTELLIGENCE, because time alone does cannot mean useful and effective experience!

Intelligence multiply by Time equals Meaningful Experience (ME)!

And Obama CLEARLY has more ME, with his demonstration of better judgment on Iraq, better judgment on a VP pick, better judgment in taking down the well oiled Clinton Machine, etc!

Moreover, Obama is a Natural Born Leader, as witnessed by his multitudes of highly INTELLIGENT supporters, who are motivated to change America and change the world view of America!

Personally, I think Jesus will come again whenever He wants to is supposed to.

But I know that some sects believe that we are in the end times... And the dominionists believe that humans can speed this process up.

That is not true. The Republicans would say anything to destroy the Obama/Biden ticket. We know how the Republicans play. They play dirty politics. This time, the Republicans will not win.

Keep up the good work Senator Obama and Senator Biden. Senator Biden let the American people know that this is not true.

I agree with Mary: "This is a Republican lie to distract from the Palin Story. Biden is no fool."

Voters don't be fooled by the Republicans!!! READ INFORMATION (CREDIBLE SOURCES).

I imagine you are right... "concerned".

But the media is pretty timid about going after conservative pastors.

I mean, Hagee's hateful comments about Catholics were widely known... but McCain never had to distance himself from these comments. A conservative preacher can call the pope the "antichrist" and the press is gonna take a nap about it.

But, you know, Rev. Wright... well... we all know about Rev. Wright. It almost cost Obama the primary.

It's just a double standard. Most people are used to it by now.

"I would love to hear Palin's pastors sermons on the Judaism and Israel. "

Couldn't be any worse than Rev. Wrights.

len - Of course we engage with less belligerence because we are broke. We can't afford to pay for more wars. Secondly, Iran has as much right to nukes as the US or Israel. Remember Iran hasn't invaded a country in hundreds of years while the US invades someone every decade.

==Could you imagine some of the things he [Obiden] would say to foreign leaders during a 4 year period.==

You think we'd be around that long with an Obamarama Admin in place??

This just shows the gravitas and foreign policy experience Biden brings to the table!

LOL

Biden may have so-called "more experience" then Palin but C'mon Joe!! This is NOT rocket science. I would take Palin's common sense over Biden's stupid remarks anyday. Could you imagine some of the things he would say to foreign leaders during a 4 year period.

==...even if Biden was pro-Israel in the past, Obama isn't.==

So, you mean to tell us that there's conflict in the Obamaram/Obiden camp already???

So does this mean Israel will do an aerial attack on Iran for sure before the end of this year if they think Obama will get in? Good going Biden.

I've got to agree with you, Ben. Unless we are willing to sanction another war, we will see a nuclear Iran.

The question may be, for how long?

So do we take a passive posture, make nice, apologize to the world, and quietly become isolationist, or do we look straight back at the leaders of Iran and say firmly but quietly, you bring it and we will settle it. This is not a game for the enraged or the religious bullies. This is the kind of war your prophets write about but have never seen, and if you do, it will be the last act of Persia for after it, Persia will be no more.

And they have to know we'll do it.

Who wants to play chicken?

I would worry though about Palin's views... given her close affiliation with Buchanan.

The problem is, even if Biden was pro-Israel in the past, Obama isn't.

Now this I am concerned about and will be watching closely. As a Jewish American if this proves to be true there is no way in the world I could vote for an Obama/Biden ticket.

Concerned in OH - It's probably not wise to speak for groups you don't know or to lump people together with one mindset. I consider myself to be pretty far to the left and fairly radical and I don't hate Israel. Not one iota. I support the right of Israel to exist and to exist in peace with her neighbors. Whether that can ever happen...?

==Either you alienate Israel, or you alienate your far-left radical base that hates Israel.==

Well, that's Obiden's big mouth for you.

Nonsense, concerned.

Biden is a supporter of Israel. The left also supports Israel.

I think most critics of Israel see Israel as a mirror of the US. Both countries are suffering from short-sighted, hawkish leadership.

The problem isn't hatred of Israel... the problem is an over-identification with Israel. We want Israel to be like America... and with their neighbors... it cannot be.

That's not hatred. That's friendship.

Jo - Vote for McCain at your own peril as well. Surely war with Iran will not improve gas prices, and that type of engagement may well bankrupt us. Keep in mind Iran has 75 million people where 70% are under 30 years of age. Good luck with containment of their populace. Vote 3rd party!!! Enough of these welfare/warfare candidates.

This is a Republican lie to distract from the Palin Story. Biden is no fool.

Biden has incredible insight into middle eastern politics. It seems very unlikely that he would have said this. No news, just a 3rd or 4th hand report. Biden is not a VP candidate who supports family values, teenage pregnancy, or a presidential nominee who seems to have completely lost his mind. My prayers are with Palin's family and all the Republicans who are soul searching today. There is room for you in the Democrat/Independent tent and we need your vision, voice, and wisdom to solve the big problems we all face together. Let's stop fighting and work together for a better, stronger, wiser America.

Well if Biden did say it, it would be the most sensible comment coming out of a politicians mouth during this silly campaign. Iran will get nukes. It is just a matter of time.

Uh, Leslie once again, how do you equate Rove to "the McCain camp" ...and an Israel newspaper to the "McCain campaign" ????

Get a clue.

I'm sure this is true. I trust Israel's report over the plagerizing, bigoted Biden any ole day.

Of course Obama lied about telling a Canadian reporter one thing about NAFTA,and then tried to say he didn't, until that Ambassador "outted" him in his lie.

Vote for the Obama/Biden team at your own peril. God only knows what these two would do once they were in charge. Scary.

Right after Obama takes high road here comes the republicans peddling lies for the low road. The bottom line is McCain has poor judgement. Once again...I thought no politics today. Just typical McCain poor judgement; do as say not as I do!

Oh boy. This isn't going to be good. Either you alienate Israel, or you alienate your far-left radical base that hates Israel.