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Hillary Campaigns in Florida for Obama, but Will She Take On Palin?

September 08, 2008 8:22 AM

This morning in Kissimmee, Fla., Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., will discuss the economy at a town hall meeting, after which she will visit a convention of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers in Lake Buena Vista. Her day ends in Tampa with a rally.

How strongly will she take on Sen. John McCain's new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin?

"She's going to continue to do what she's been doing, as recently as yesterday," a Clinton aide told me Sunday, forwarding a Saturday story with the headline, "Clinton Brushes Aside Questions About  Palin."

At New York City's annual Labor Day parade and in Staten Island, Saturday, Clinton was asked about Palin. She demurred.

"This election is about issues, and that's what's going to matter to people at the end of the day," Clinton said. The Associated Press reported that Clinton "only mentioned Palin by name once during the day, at the labor breakfast, when she uttered a modified version of a line from her speech at the Democratic National Convention. 'No way, no how, no McCain, no Palin,' she said."

There are Obama supporters who feel Clinton needs to make a strong case against Palin. And they are intrigued -- and troubled -- by the fact that she won't.

- jpt

September 8, 2008 | Permalink | User Comments (313)

User Comments

The clintons really surprised me in this election. To all hillary supporters, hillary will never get to be president in 2012 or ever. They need the black vote to win and they get all the blame.

Posted by: No hillary in 2012 from black voters | Sep 20, 2008 2:06:03 PM

You know I am really getting tired of these type of exchanges. If you know anyone that has a son or daughter in Iraq you can not vote for a Republican ticket. We have to bring our troops home, and have Iraq take responsibility for their own country. If people really cared for our troops you would not vote Republican. Look at the bigger picture. Woman should vote as mothers who have children that could possibly go to war in a McCain administration (he probably will reinstate the draft). I just don't get it.

Posted by: Robin | Sep 11, 2008 2:00:12 PM

Hillary should tell the dope with hope to stuff it. If he had picked her they would have won, now, with Palin on the team, McCain will probably take the White House.

Posted by: Rob | Sep 11, 2008 1:52:10 PM

The country is over. I am looking to get a foreign passport and move on. Doesn't matter who wins. Because We The People are hypnotized and divided and refuse to take back our government and public dialogue.

Posted by: Thomas Brooks | Sep 11, 2008 3:13:35 AM

If Obama loses the election, it might just be because of the Clintons!

I was a Hillary supporter before her and Bill's mudslinging to Obama.

They have done such damage that it was impossible for Obama to sell that Hillary really wants Obama.

Nice Job Hillary, your over the top selfishness might have sunk your party.

Posted by: Ben Sona | Sep 9, 2008 4:34:22 PM

Hillary had 18 million votes and yet Obama thought she wasn't the best pick for the Democratic ticket.

Of course, he was just following the DNC's guideline of SELECTING Obama rather than honoring the real votes of their constituents.

I think they will both (Obama and the DNC) regret their mistreatment of WOMEN when they lose in the GE. Hopefully, it will make them more aware of women in the 2012 election.

Posted by: Sami | Sep 9, 2008 6:55:39 AM

Obama, Biden, and Clinton ask women to make their decision for president based on “THE ISSUES” as Hillary put it. Now if you are BLACK, they infer that its OK to vote for the “HISTORIC TICKET” Just another example of a DOUBLE STANDARD if you ask me. The Democrats hold blacks back in what amounts to a “Sharecropper Arrangement" For the Black Vote. Once a black becomes successful, the Democrats drop them like a hot potato. Another double standard as applied by the Democrats

Posted by: GeraldD | Sep 9, 2008 5:31:51 AM

I am a big Hillary supporter, but I'm an even bigger supporter of policies that will save this country from distruction. I truly believe this is a make or break election. We are simply out of time. Voting principles instead of personalities will deliver this election to Obama. If not, it will be McCain, and make no mistake -- we willt hen get more Bush -- especially on the crushing critical issue of planetary enviornmental degredation and global security with oil. We are in trouble. As a country and a planet. We don't have the luxury of grief. Let's move forward with the Obama/Biden team that will mean change -- smart, strong measured change. Our world depends on it, and once again, women will decide.

Posted by: donzi | Sep 9, 2008 1:38:17 AM

Hillary would need Obama supporters in 2012, just like the 2008 primary. She won't get them if Obama loses in November.

Posted by: Sallie | Sep 9, 2008 1:18:41 AM

Hillary is so amazing that I know she will be able to do her democratic duty and at the same time not really help Obama very much.

He is such a phony. I do not know how many people will recall but during the primaries Obama was always "stealing" the ideas of Hillary. This is why during one of the debates she used the Xerox comment. (Unfortunately, the audience did not take the "joke" seriously.)

McCain/Palin 2008 - Hillary 2012
NoObama

Posted by: Phyllis/ PA | Sep 8, 2008 10:18:27 PM

Palin serves the purpose of distracting us from the issues that the Republicans don't want to address, because they have made them worse over the last eight years: global warming; foreclosure crisis; health care; rising unemployment rates; Katrina; poverty rates that are highest for women and children; exorbitant gas prices; failing schools; and a trillion dollar war. If we can argue about Palin and whether or not the media is being mean to her and her family, we will forget that John McCain is a seventy-two year old man with recurring melanoma who voted with Bush 90% of the time and voted against every proposal to support solar and wind energy development for the last decade. Obama won the nomination fair and square. He didn't nominate Hillary to be his vice-president because he knew it would be difficult to be chief executive with Bill and Hillary in the White House. Members of McCain's own party admit Palin was a campaign decision, not a governing decision. In other words, he put his political ambitions above what is best for the nation. Obama might have won more easily with HIllary on the ticket, but he was concerned about governing, not just winning. In other words, he put his country above his political ambitions. Hillary is right not to take on Palin in order to avoid contributing to distractions from the issues. Go HIllary!!!

Posted by: VP | Sep 8, 2008 9:58:38 PM

if hillary attacked palin she would be history --and fast----not a doubt in the world.

Posted by: rodney | Sep 8, 2008 9:02:27 PM

Bonnie: I'm sorry--our point here is that Obama did not stand for equal treatment of women when he chose Biden over Hillary. How can you ignore that? I wanted to like Obama, but his decsion to ice out Hillary supporters is what made me think I could not vote Dem for the 1st time in my life. What good is a stance on an issue if your leaders dod not walk the talk? NOBODY (and believe me, I have been asking) has been able to explain to me why Biden got the gig over Hillary (except for affirmative action for old white entrenched D.C. insiders who supported the Iraq war??) You tell me how you swalloed the Biden pick. Not only did it go against everything Obama claimed he stood for, it slapped the Hillary supporters real good. Brilliant and a shameful move (shame on Obama). If he did not think that we mattered, he should not win this election.

Posted by: DuskyDakota | Sep 8, 2008 8:16:34 PM

Do you really think that all women care about is whether you have the proper reproductive equipment? Obama stands for pay equity, reproductive rights and choice, health insurance for all that supports birth control as a choice, the end to domestic violence and economic security for our families. Just having a double x chomosome is not enough to win progressive women over and it is demeaning to women to think that it might be.

Posted by: Bonnie | Sep 8, 2008 8:04:06 PM

Once again we hear from all the Republicans disguised as Hillary supporters. The Republicans don't give a rat's behind about Hillary. But they are bringing up how poor Hillary was treated because they think Hillary supporters are going to vote for a right-wing ticket. I don't think true Hillary supporters would do that, unless all they care about is the gender of their candidate. Don't take your eye off the ball people. We've got an eight-year mess to clean up. Hillary said it best today: You don't call on the iceberg to fix the titanic.

Posted by: Phil | Sep 8, 2008 8:00:19 PM

You know, if you all, Hillary supporters, are concerned about the issues, then vote with the person who is concern about the same issues. It is not about the person who's running, it's about what the person who's running will do for you/us! Don't you get it? Hey, get real or don't vote. I definitely don't want you messing up my chances to get the issues I'm concerned about addressed. See Ya!

Posted by: Loretta | Sep 8, 2008 7:01:53 PM

JimW: The Dems always brings up Roe v. Wade as a scare tactic, just like the Repubs bring up 9/11. Stop already. We know that even with the Roberts court, Roe has not been overturned. The Senate would not confirm a religious fanatic judge anyway. Finally, even without Roe, the states have the power to keep abortion safe and legal. Enough already--we're not stupid. Why don't you try another "key: issue like gay marriage. Oh, that's right, neither Obama nor McCain supports gay marriage--just civil unions. Here's a new issue for you--sexism in politics: how the democrats lost the 2008 election because the man could not share the stage and spotlight with her pantsuits. Sexism will decide this election. Obama's only hope is to pander to the Republican sexist/misogynist Hillary haters who are angry that a hockey mom is now on the GOP ticket.

Posted by: DuskyDakota | Sep 8, 2008 6:14:24 PM


Obama: "PLEEZE BUY MY PRODUCT".


Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 6:02:10 PM

That's why we never forget how Obama treated Hillary supporters!

Posted by: fromHILLtoMAC | Sep 8, 2008 4:34:33 PM

Yes, it works both ways.

Posted by: never | Sep 8, 2008 5:50:38 PM

obama won't win, and he has only his own horrendous judgment andnaive supporters to blame......of course, they will try to blame someone, anyone else for their self-inflicted failure, but that will only exacerbate their inability to understand what went wrong.....

Posted by: chris | Sep 8, 2008 5:25:49 PM

I hope that voters who embrace Hillary Clinton's position on social issues as well as domestic and foreign policy, but who shun Obama, appreciate that Sarah Pailin is cut from the same ideological cloth as Pat Buchanan and the evangelical right. Is that who you want a heartbeat away from the Presidency and from the authority to shape the future composition of the Supreme Court?

Posted by: JimW | Sep 8, 2008 5:19:55 PM

Why does anyone need to "Take on Palin?" That would only make this a campaign about personalities and totally ignore the issues, which is exactly what the Republicans (Karl Rover) wants. He did the same thing when Bush ran and look what we got. When the issues are discussed, Obama/Biden win hands down. McCain admits he doesn't know that much about the economy and "it's the economy stupid." Palin doesn't know much about the eoncomy either, at least when it comes to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Posted by: algwriter | Sep 8, 2008 5:17:06 PM

Why does anyone need to "Take on Palin?" That would only make this a campaign about personalities and totally ignore the issues, which is exactly what the Republicans (Karl Rover) wants. He did the same thing when Bush ran and look what we got. When the issues are discussed, Obama/Biden win hands down. McCain admits he doesn't know that much about the economy and "it's the economy stupid." Palin doesn't know much about the eoncomy either, at least when it comes to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Posted by: algwriter | Sep 8, 2008 5:13:52 PM

First Obama and his followers trash HRC and now they're begging for her to rescue the shallow one's failing campaign. Poetic justice at the least.

And, very funny. I'm laughing my head off.

Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 5:07:19 PM

Hillary is amazing! Obama is a phony! It is frightening how the marketing of Obama made him so popular even though he had ZERO EXPERIENCE.

I'm so glad America is seeing him for what he is...all talk and fake presidential seals.

Palin/McCain 08

Posted by: Mike | Sep 8, 2008 5:04:24 PM

It is not Hillary Clinton's duty to take on Palin. It is Obama and Biden's role. This does not change the fact the most of the 18,000,000 Hillary Voters will vote for McCain. This is why we will not help Hillary Clinton pay off her $20 million debt unless she first drops Obama.

Posted by: Dr Hubert, Lt Col, USAF, Retired (2005) | Sep 8, 2008 4:59:43 PM

Samantha--yes--"maybe he will learn how Hillary felt" when his media image loses to a new media image. Maybe Obama should buy some Palin glasses. I think that there are many, many highly educated women who refuse to drink the koolaid this time. And I wish Palin all the best in a spot that should have been Hillary's (just looking at credentials, experience). I am still grateful that Hillary's campaign opened our eyes to the extent of rampant sexism in our own party. Shame, shame. SHE was an important voice in the dialogue re: the future of this country.

Posted by: DuskyDakota | Sep 8, 2008 4:58:55 PM

"A grave miscalculation on Obama's part was finding refuge in the media- Big mistake-and not expecting another person to steal his spotlight"

I agree. With Matthews and Olbermann being demoted, Obama has 2 less BOTS on the air.

Posted by: fromHILLtoMAC | Sep 8, 2008 4:58:17 PM

Hillary is doing what she committed herself to do. She doesn't have to do any more than that and Obama does not expect her to do more than that. Why does everyone think Obama is lost without Hillary going after Palin? Hillary has already given Palin a clear message with that one line, "NO WAY, NO HOW, NO MCCAIN, NO PALIN." These words alone make it loud and clear to Palin that it would be best that Palin not use Hillary's words, nor use Hillary as an icon to advance the Republican agenda.

Posted by: Donna | Sep 8, 2008 4:58:06 PM

Dusky,

I have a graduate degree too. They say the BOTS are the most educated people but they appear to be sophomoric to me. Obama has a resume like tracing paper and a reputation of being consistent at one thing only—-running for another office other than the one he holds. I have seen this pattern in people who feel entitled, especially men with little qualification, who are unfairly advanced above women in jobs . I can't believe that the DNC allowed it to happen to Hillary. The Obama message of Change is to divide and conquer. Obama does not care about equal anything for women.

A grave miscalculation on Obama's part was finding refuge in the media- Big mistake-and not expecting another person to steal his spotlight. Throw in the race baiters like Donna Brazille and his stammerings w/o teleprompter and you can see that he possesses glaring weaknesses. Too bad he put himself on the pedestal as the Chosen One and promised to walk on water. That is a hole he dug for himself. Obama is narcissistic. BOTS are following him into fairytale land only when they get to the forest the house in the woods will be a shack. Just like it is for those of us in Illinois.

I find McCain/Palin to be more sincere and down to earth.

The Obamabots are hypocritical. Today Biden says of Palin "She made a few good speeches"

An I am like come on which sounds EXACTLY like the beginnings of media stardom for your running mate OBAMA.

I love the Newsweek cover with Palin on it PALINTOLOGY I love it and everyone is buying her glasses. Obama is in trouble. But maybe he will learn how Hillary felt.

Posted by: Samantha | Sep 8, 2008 4:50:58 PM

You said:

"If you're doing it for some sort of payback Hill will never win. People don't forget".

Hillary asked us all to turn the other cheek. She did, but I can't. She is a much bigger person than I and should not be blamed for my decision not to support Obama. When we women voters got hit with the Biden pick and news that Hillary was not EVEN vetted, some of us realized that we could not bring ourselves to support Obama. You can't force me (as a lifelong Democrat) to like someone who has proven in one false move that he is a coward and sexist. Ask yourself--if you were presented with a great leader, with all of the right credentials and experience, --could you vote for him? Now how about if you were Jewish or African-American? Don't tell me the Biden decision wasn't sexist--we know, we saw, we will not forget--no matter how much Hillary or Bill tell us that we should like Obama anyway. It's just not possible--sorry.

Posted by: DuskyDakota | Sep 8, 2008 4:38:00 PM

"People don't forget"

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That's why we never forget how Obama treated Hillary supporters!

Posted by: fromHILLtoMAC | Sep 8, 2008 4:34:33 PM

To Hillary supporters...it's payback time :D. McCain 2008, Clinton 2012

Posted by: fromHILLtoMAC | Sep 8, 2008 4:13:24 PM

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If you're doing it for some sort of payback Hill will never win. People don't forget.

Posted by: never | Sep 8, 2008 4:28:20 PM

The presumption is that Obama has only lost ground with "uneducated" woman. This is so funny to me--having a law degree of my own. I guess nobody could believe that educated women could get behind McCain/Palin. I do vote because of the issues, but this time the biggest issue is representation. I don't think Susan B. Anthony would've wanted my vote to have been treated as a non-factor in the VP selection process (as it clearly was). Educated women get this and are willing to vote for the principle that each woman's vote should matter. Gee, I get to choose a man who demonstrated sexism in choosing his running mate or a man who didn't. If you think I'm an uneducated country bumpkin because this issue matters to me most (yes, more than the economy), then you just don't get it. Women fought for me to have the right to vote because my vote should matter. A vote for Obama is a vote for the marginalization of all Democratic women voters (or at least the millions who supported Hillary).

Posted by: DuskyDakota | Sep 8, 2008 4:20:24 PM

USVet

I saw Obama & O'Riley on Bill's teaser last week. Obama took an awfully long time to respond - probably trying to remember what he's for.

I wasn't impressed with his performance during the interview at all. In the end, he really didn't say anything significant -- just generalities.

Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 4:13:25 PM

To Hillary supporters...it's payback time :D. McCain 2008, Clinton 2012

Posted by: fromHILLtoMAC | Sep 8, 2008 4:13:24 PM

But, hey it was an easy mistake as McCain wants to appoint Reps and DEMS to his cabinet....and he and Biden have a close friendship that goes back 33 years...love that McCain has no ego...just wants the best and the brightest, bipartisan leadership! He is the REAL UNIFIER.

Posted by: Debra | Sep 8, 2008 4:13:20 PM

oops....McCain/Palin

Posted by: Debra | Sep 8, 2008 4:10:42 PM

54% of our population female. 50% voters vote emotion not policy...who they FEEL DESERVES the keys to the WH. That's good math for McCain/Biden.

Posted by: Debra | Sep 8, 2008 4:09:43 PM

Obama self-destructs in his interview with O'Reilley.

Watch it tonight on FOX.
8:00 PM Eastern

Posted by: USVet | Sep 8, 2008 4:07:53 PM

Something they forgot to teach Obama at Harvard (one of the 7 deadly sins):

Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

Obama will lose the White House for the Dems because he could not "lower" himself to putting Hillary on the ticket where everyone outside of the Obama squad sphere knew she belonged. Pride folks, plain and simple. Obama's pride will lose this election on behalf of all Democrats. Do not blame Hillary or her supporters--blame Obama's failure to recognize how his pride and arrogance would cause his downfall. This is not a new story--read any Greek tragedies Obama?

Posted by: DuskyDakota | Sep 8, 2008 4:05:23 PM

Please Hillary do not do this to your supporters. DO NOT let Obama set us one against the other like a street gang of mud wrestling women. There is nothing Obama's kind would like better than dissolving us into that kind of theater and low life entertainment! Sisters unite- there are more of us then there are of them- let us beat them at their own game - Get you brothers - husbands and fathers to defend you against the street fighter who wants to put us out on the streets like mud wrestlers to fight among ourslves without dignity.

You won't catch me backing Obama. No Obama, no way and no how. I see Clinton v. Palin in 2012 after McCain/Palin slaughter St. Obama/Biden in 2008. Thanks Obama, DNC and MSM for handing the Presidency to the Republicans again this year with your chosen one.

Posted by: Mary O'Bryan | Sep 8, 2008 4:01:15 PM

Virginia Harris...I did subscribe weeks ago still waiting for a e.mail. love the concept.

1 2 4 9 8

Posted by: i am so I can!!!! | Sep 8, 2008 3:57:23 PM

Yes, Obama should now reach across the aisle to attract the Republican Hillary haters and other misogynists who are not pleased that a woman is on the GOP ticket. He'd probably attract more misogynists and sexists than Hillary supporters at this point.

Posted by: DuskyDakota | Sep 8, 2008 3:52:04 PM

Some of us believe that HRC will take on Palin the same way she and Bill Clinton supported Obama at the convention: Half heartedly.

We hope, along with the Clinton's, that Hillary will have another shot in 4 years.

This election we are voting Palin-McCain.

Posted by: Stephen Gianelli | Sep 8, 2008 3:51:55 PM

Virginia Harris

Too bad Obama is trying everything he can do to crumble those gains. His disdain and trickery have shown conclusively that he doesn't give a damned about woman's rights beyond getting their vote.

Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 3:38:44 PM

The Democratic donkey has become a jackass.

Posted by: marylou | Sep 8, 2008 3:35:20 PM

Samantha: you and I are on the same wavelength. The only way that Obama might be able to regain lost ground is to get out the Hillary-hater vote at this point. See, now he can blame his loss on Hillary by saying that she didn't do his dirty work for him by attacking Palin so he wouldn't seem sexist (if he had to do it all by himself). Obama didn't need the 18 million Hillary supporters, right Michelle Obama? Why did WE all see this coming, but the DNC did not?

Posted by: DuskyDakota | Sep 8, 2008 3:35:06 PM

Come on Joe -- at least be honest. You've been spouting pro-Obama nonsense here for quite a while.

Just like Obama people - trying to make something appear real that just isn't so.


Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 3:30:15 PM

Uniter not a divider, guess that makes him a decider. McSame with Cheese.
I've had enough.

Republican for Obama!


Posted by: Joe | Sep 8, 2008 3:23:57 PM


Hmmm - Obama's biggest supporter (Winfrey) seems to have a couple of racist bones in her body.

Obama and Oprah -- two peas in a pod!

Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 3:20:33 PM

McCain picks a hard core conservative to be his running mate, boy, there's a change for a Republican. Now he's claiming to be uniter not a divider, haven't heard that one before.

Posted by: Joe | Sep 8, 2008 3:14:22 PM

Saw Hillary stumping today. Doesn't
she look.....so.........yesterday?!

Posted by: grizzly bare | Sep 8, 2008 3:11:51 PM

Dee at 2:58...I agree with you. The only race baiter has been Obama and his campaign, oh and Rev. Wright the biggest racist in this comedy. What they all did to Bill and Hill, I'd get sick, need surgery, be needed out of the country for family reasons, if I was Hill.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN/PALIN

Posted by: Debra | Sep 8, 2008 3:08:13 PM

By Andrea Tantaros

Oprah’s Mind: Closed for Business?

For a woman who used to encourage millions of females to “find their spirit” Oprah Winfrey has certainly lost hers. The queen of daytime gab fests refuses to have Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin as a guest on her program–at least not before Election Day. We all know she’s backing Barack Obama but why wouldn’t she interview the first female Republican ever to be nominated as vice president? Isn’t this the same woman who lauds women who do it all? “A career, babies, a husband, adversity…you go girl!” You don’t need to be Dr. Phil to diagnose O’s prideful, blatant favoritism. The icon used to give away cars. Now she gives away her obvious bias.

Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 3:07:23 PM

McCain has had to return over $7,500,000 in donations including money bundled by all around scumbag Harry Sargeant.

How come McCain gets so much dirty money?

Posted by: Ryan C | Sep 8, 2008 3:05:42 PM

By Cal Thomas:

You Can’t Fake Authenticity

What is it about Sarah Palin that has gotten the liberal media’s knickers in a twist? Why are they criticizing, even mocking, everything from her hair to her faith?

She is exactly what the feminists claim to want and admire in women: strong, self-assured, a working mom, a political leader. But wait, she is a conservative Republican and because of that they hate her for displaying all of the aforementioned characteristics.

They are appalled that she would keep a Down Syndrome child when she could have aborted him. They are outraged when she speaks of God as if she knows Him, when their only acquaintance with the name is as a curse word, followed by “damn.” They are even disgusted that she has five children, as they think one (or two if you are Obama) is enough.

Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 3:04:20 PM

Samantha, your posts always bring a smile to my face (or a chuckle). I appreciate your perspective as you are from Ill. and know best Obama's crooked politics and lack of accomplishment. Thanks for always having the best posts.
Hill will remember being scorched by BO campaign and in the privacy of her booth on Nov. 4, will pull the lever for McCain/Palin too..as well as Bill and Chelsea.

Posted by: Debra | Sep 8, 2008 3:02:57 PM

Fox News’s Carl Cameron came up with a fascinating description of this first joint McCain/Palin TV ad, which I typed as he spoke:

It’s a great piece of political judo wherein you take the mantra, the message, the strength of your opponent and claim it as your own. Barack Obama has been on the campaign trail now for two years calling himself the agent of change, saying that he’s the person who can really effect serious reform in Washington.

Now you’ve got John McCain and Sarah Palin saying that they are the candidates of change, pointing to their experience and their resume — their actual work in government — as evidence of their ability to effect the change that Barack Obama says he hopes to bring. Pretty tough row to hoe when Barack Obama has spent so many hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising and campaign efforts calling himself the agent of change, but McCain and Palin believe they can wrestle it away from him in just these last 58 days.

Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 3:02:31 PM

Fox News’s Carl Cameron came up with a fascinating description of this first joint McCain/Palin TV ad, which I typed as he spoke:

It’s a great piece of political judo wherein you take the mantra, the message, the strength of your opponent and claim it as your own. Barack Obama has been on the campaign trail now for two years calling himself the agent of change, saying that he’s the person who can really effect serious reform in Washington.

Now you’ve got John McCain and Sarah Palin saying that they are the candidates of change, pointing to their experience and their resume — their actual work in government — as evidence of their ability to effect the change that Barack Obama says he hopes to bring. Pretty tough row to hoe when Barack Obama has spent so many hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising and campaign efforts calling himself the agent of change, but McCain and Palin believe they can wrestle it away from him in just these last 58 days.

Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 3:01:40 PM

Sandra S,

Dems, Please note that some of the posters on this board, particularly the ones that continue to throw GIGO at every comment made, are Republican operatives who trawl the networks trying to spread chaos and doubt. That is their purpose in life.

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You've made an accusation, NOW PROVE that me or any other poster whose opinion differs from yours is a party operative. You dems and your projection is absolutely laughable.

Again, prove your accusation or retract it.

Posted by: Dee | Sep 8, 2008 3:01:34 PM


The BBC reported 5 days ago about money that was destined for Obama here in the United States. Guess where it was coming from? Nigeria. What part of illegal donations don’t our overseas friends understand? Or for the matter doesn’t Obama realize he can’t take overseas donations? We do know Obama doesn’t understand federal election laws when it comes to financing a campaign.

The story begins with a very expensive fund raiser dinner by most standards. This dinner cost $21,000 for an eight seat table. Fortunately the money never reached the USA. The money was raised to influence relatives of native Nigerians to vote for Obama by running advertisements.

The money was seized by some very astute Nigerians.

Nigerian anti-graft investigators have seized money raised by the head of the Nigerian Stock Exchange to support US presidential candidate Barack Obama.

The money will be returned to the individuals in Nigeria that attended the soiree according to The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission

Posted by: dl | Sep 8, 2008 2:58:50 PM

I think it is quite demeaning to send women out to fight with women. Its stupid and offensive. "Cat fights" are not necessary and its dumb to ask Clinton to aggressively attack Palin considering she is not the VP pick.
What exactly is Biden's job?

Posted by: Joan | Sep 8, 2008 2:56:49 PM

Samantha....you are absolutely great and your posts always make me smile (or laugh). Your perspective are greatly appreciated as you are a resident of Illinois, and best know this guy's dirty politics and lack of accomplishments. Hillary should keep repeating "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".....she was scorched by her own party, and I swear....as long as her ballot is secret....she too, will vote McCain/Palin....same as Bill and Chelsea.

Posted by: Debra | Sep 8, 2008 2:56:11 PM

Palin fought corruption.

Obama up to his neck in it via the Daley Machine in Chicago.

Posted by: cindy in nc | Sep 8, 2008 2:54:29 PM

The Democratic Convention was all about the coronation of Obama ($6 million Temple)

The Republican Convention was about America--Country First.
(a simple screen with an American flag)

Posted by: riley | Sep 8, 2008 2:52:16 PM

Dems, Please note that some of the posters on this board, particularly the ones that continue to throw GIGO at every comment made, are Republican operatives who trawl the networks trying to spread chaos and doubt. That is their purpose in life.

Vote on November 4th as your heart tells you. Nothing is decided on these boards which are great for venting and setting forth opinions. The trawlers don't have opinions, they are armed with misrepresentations meant to discredit their opponent. They are like the technical phone support folks who have a sheet with every possible answer to a troubleshooting problem.

The true test will be the results on November 4th, and no matter what anyone says, we will not know the verdict until then.

Posted by: Sandra S | Sep 8, 2008 2:51:54 PM

Don't ever forget the sacrifices Obama has made for this country:

19 months of hotel food and airplane rides.

Only one candidate has truly fought for us... McCain

Posted by: sally | Sep 8, 2008 2:49:09 PM

Debra,

The DNC has become the very thing it used to hate and fight against.

The Donkey has become a racist, sexist, fear mongering jacka$$

Posted by: Samantha | Sep 8, 2008 2:46:42 PM

dl at 1:46....true that Obama got wind of McCain going to Ground Zero on 9/11 and he had to copy? I completely believe that as he would't have a patriotic idea in his overly large head to accomodate his ego. McCain had all the servicemen stand up today at his rally in Missouri...way to go McCain.

Posted by: Debra | Sep 8, 2008 2:31:00 PM

Facts you should know about Palin's record:

1. In 2003, Mayor Palin left behind almost $19 million in long term debt in her town of 7,084 people.

S2. he opposed funding for a state preschool program in Alaska but support teaching creationism in schools.

3. She was for the so-called Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it. While campaigning for Governor she supported the bridge and called the term offensive. On the national level, she reversed her position and now uses the term. I believe she has also kept the $47 million in funds that Alaska received from our tax money for this so called bridge.

S4. he is strongly anti-choice opposing abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

5. She is among a shrinking group of politicians what are skeptical that humans are responsible for climate change. She also wanted to take polar bears off the endangered species list. (My comment: no doubt to continue murdering these creatures under the activity called 'sport hunting')

Posted by: Sandra S | Sep 8, 2008 2:30:03 PM

Why should Hillary directly get into the mud with Palin where Karl Rove wants her to go. No. Palin and McCain will hang themselves on the economy, at their church of tax cuts for the wealthy and on the discredited trickle down theory.

It would be nice if you would point out, Jake, Palin's gaffe today on the economy where she said that what is happening to Fannie Mae is good because Fannie Mae had always cost the government too much money. This shows that she does not even understand the basic economics of the bailout. It also shows that she will hang herself every time that she doesn't have the exact talking point from her handlers to reach for.

Please report the gaffe.

Posted by: Mary | Sep 8, 2008 2:27:50 PM

This isn't the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere.
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So did you vote for Hillary? Or was she unqualified?

"It's about making life more fair for women everywhere."

Good, so then you won't care when Hillary supporters choose to vote for McCain.

Posted by: Samantha | Sep 8, 2008 2:27:11 PM

RL in Illinois, me Illinois too. How this snake slithered from the windy city is beyond me. He hasn't done jack here.

Posted by: Samantha | Sep 8, 2008 2:24:30 PM

>>>Posted by: No 2 O | Sep 8, 2008 11:49:11 AM
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Thank you for an excellent post which is not only enlightening, but which was written in accordance with my very own opinions ;-)

Posted by: AMERICAN*CENTRIST | Sep 8, 2008 2:23:18 PM

This isn't the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere.

Posted by: Sandra S | Sep 8, 2008 2:21:27 PM

Maria said:

Palin please take time to look at her closer.Voting against funding for PRAGNANT TEENS,leaving Wasilla in debt,using her power to fire SEVERAL PEOPLE,and there is more-just look her up.
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Obama please take time to look at him closer. Leaving Maytag workers in a lurch, Buying a home from slum lord Tony Rezko, Hanging out with people who bombed the US capital and felt they still didn't do enough, attending a racist church for 20 years, committing a felony by using cocaine, not wanting to wear a US flag pin, and there is more- just look him up.

Posted by: Samantha | Sep 8, 2008 2:21:17 PM

Agree with Samantha.

Posted by: RL in Illinois | Sep 8, 2008 2:20:40 PM

The Obama campaign has to use Hillary to take Palin down. Nobody else can do it. But Hillary should not do it, not if she has the best interests of the country at heart.

Hillary has to know that it is irrelevant whether a Democrat or Republican wins the presidency. Either way it will it will be business as usual.

If, however, Palin becomes vice president she will have a real shot at the presidency, either by replacing McCain or by running in 2012.

What this country needs is a woman president -- any woman president. A woman president will fundamentally change our country's image of itself. It will move it away from the paleolithic man-on-top mentality. This will ultimately favor progressives even if the woman is a conservative.

And, in many important respects Palin is not a traditional conservative. In her household she is the most important breadwinner, and her husband Todd is willing to fulfill the role of homemaker. This is not your typical a-woman's-place-is-in-the-home situation.

Hurray for Sarah and Todd. This is the kind of image our daughters need to see.

Posted by: David H | Sep 8, 2008 2:17:47 PM

The expectations of Obama's supporters are ridiculous.

They expect Hillary to go out and attack McCain's vice-presidential pick as if she herself were Obama's running mate, and not Biden.

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OBAMA’S so called experience has caused him to make some pretty stupid errors during this campaign. If I were Hillary I would stay at home with "cramps" as an excuse for not campaigning for him.

Hillary: "Barack, I am sorry Bill and I can't make that race baiting hate rally the Obamabots have scheduled for voters in Cleveland. Can I take a raincheck? "

Posted by: Samantha | Sep 8, 2008 2:12:41 PM

Here is a little dose of reality.Hilary is just going to stick to the issues which I think will be McCain's/Palin's downfall.Oprah said that she would not use her show for ANY candidate and that after the e